Trayvon Martin

Gern Blansten

aerial wrote:

How about this one http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-mcnabb/black-man-shoots-white-teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/

Not comparable: http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roderickscott.asp

The kid was in the act of committing a crime

The shooter was "Promptly arrested on a charge of second degree murder".....THIS is the key factor in the outrage over the Trayvon Martin case.

Honestly....some of you do not know the facts and you have no idea what you are even arguing. As I said you are outraged because Faux News told you to be.

Next

Godfather.

zimmerman was found "not guilty" by the laws and jury in Florida people will just have to get used to that, had this happened in California the out-come may have been different.

Glen I know what you are saying about the difference in the zimmerman case and others and I don't want to surf the internet just to prove you wrong,zimmerman's case was stacked aginst him in my opinion with a 6 person all female jury and the fact remains that due to laws and evidance in the state of florida the jury had no other option but to find him not guilty even some of the jurrers stated publicly that they were sorry for their dission but the fact remains that the laws found him not guilty and that was without the "stand your ground" law.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten wrote:

aerial wrote:

How about this one http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-mcnabb/black-man-shoots-white-teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/

Not comparable: http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roderickscott.asp

The kid was in the act of committing a crime

The shooter was "Promptly arrested on a charge of second degree murder".....THIS is the key factor in the outrage over the Trayvon Martin case.

Honestly....some of you do not know the facts and you have no idea what you are even arguing. As I said you are outraged because Faux News told you to be.

Next

your comment "outraged because Faux News told you to be" just weakens your argument, I understand your position on this case but lashing out with such comments adds no substance to your argument,"Faux News" was not in the jury box or the judge that was by law obligated to set zimmerman free.
some people listen to Fox and some listen sharpton and jackson I guess that's just the way "Freedom of Speach" and right to choose works.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten

Godfather. wrote:

zimmerman was found "not guilty" by the laws and jury in Florida people will just have to get used to that, had this happened in California the out-come may have been different.

Glen I know what you are saying about the difference in the zimmerman case and others and I don't want to surf the internet just to prove you wrong,zimmerman's case was stacked aginst him in my opinion with a 6 person all female jury and the fact remains that due to laws and evidance in the state of florida the jury had no other option but to find him not guilty even some of the jurrers stated publicly that they were sorry for their dission but the fact remains that the laws found him not guilty and that was without the "stand your ground" law.

Godfather.

This doesn't make any sense.

The question you should have asked originally was "Where are the white leaders and why aren't they outraged like Sharpton/Jackson?"

If you were to think a little and answer the question yourself you would find that the case you presented and the Zimmerman case are not even comparable. The outrage with the Zimmerman case was that an unarmed teenager was killed and the killer was charged with no crime for at least a month. That was why Sharpton/Jackson were outraged and calling for attention. Get it?

Gern Blansten

Godfather. wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

your comment "outraged because Faux News told you to be" just weakens your argument, I understand your position on this case but lashing out with such comments adds no substance to your argument,"Faux News" was not in the jury box or the judge that was by law obligated to set zimmerman free.
some people listen to Fox and some listen sharpton and jackson I guess that's just the way "Freedom of Speach" and right to choose works.

Godfather.

that has absolutely nothing to do with this. You were asking why there wasn't outrage over the case that you presented.

I'm not questioning the jury's verdict. No where in my comments could you interpret that.

Last-12-Exit

Gern Blansten wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

zimmerman was found "not guilty" by the laws and jury in Florida people will just have to get used to that, had this happened in California the out-come may have been different.

Glen I know what you are saying about the difference in the zimmerman case and others and I don't want to surf the internet just to prove you wrong,zimmerman's case was stacked aginst him in my opinion with a 6 person all female jury and the fact remains that due to laws and evidance in the state of florida the jury had no other option but to find him not guilty even some of the jurrers stated publicly that they were sorry for their dission but the fact remains that the laws found him not guilty and that was without the "stand your ground" law.

Godfather.

This doesn't make any sense.

The question you should have asked originally was "Where are the white leaders and why aren't they outraged like Sharpton/Jackson?"

If you were to think a little and answer the question yourself you would find that the case you presented and the Zimmerman case are not even comparable. The outrage with the Zimmerman case was that an unarmed teenager was killed and the killer was charged with no crime for at least a month. That was why Sharpton/Jackson were outraged and calling for attention. Get it?

I hate getting back into this, but your saying the case would not have gotten the attention because Zimmerman wasn't charged right away?

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit wrote:

I hate getting back into this, but your saying the case would not have gotten the attention because Zimmerman wasn't charged right away?

Yes....that was the initial outrage. If Zimmerman would have been immediately arrested then it's unlikely that Sharpton/Jackson would have been involved. That he was not arrested and given Sanford PD prior issues it became a feeding frenzy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/2 ... 74975.html

Sharpton was basically saying they arrest blacks for doing nothing and let people like Zimmerman go for killing blacks. Not saying he's right or wrong...that's just what the outrage was about

agree?

Last-12-Exit

Gern Blansten wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

I hate getting back into this, but your saying the case would not have gotten the attention because Zimmerman wasn't charged right away?

Yes....that was the initial outrage. If Zimmerman would have been immediately arrested then it's unlikely that Sharpton/Jackson would have been involved. That he was not arrested and given Sanford PD prior issues it became a feeding frenzy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/2 ... 74975.html

Sharpton was basically saying they arrest blacks for doing nothing and let people like Zimmerman go for killing blacks. Not saying he's right or wrong...that's just what the outrage was about

agree?

No, I believe Sharpton and Jackson would have somehow forced their way into the case some other way. That's how they make a living.

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

aerial wrote:

How about this one http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-mcnabb/black-man-shoots-white-teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/

Well, according to this article the 3 teens he shot were breaking into cars. Trayvon did no such thing.

That fact alone may be why it wasn't as major as Trayvon's case.

I think it's pretty obvious why Trayvon's case was so major. Aggressive white man shoots and kills UNARMED black boy. the media made this case what it is. after all I've read about it, guilty or innocent, this case was made famous by the media and the leaders of the black community every time something happens that reminds them of the early 1900's. it's really that simple.

nailed it ! and this is the misconception that started it all "Aggressive white man shoots and kills UNARMED black BOY." zimmerman is half Mexican also but the media and black community ran with the white man side of the story
then used photos of Trayvon that were of him when he was 12 years old so the black community and the media tried to sell the public a story that was filled with half truths to begen with.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Last-12-Exit wrote:

No, I believe Sharpton and Jackson would have somehow forced their way into the case some other way. That's how they make a living.

i wholeheartedly disagree.

sharpton and jackson get involved when bullshit happens.

an unarmed kid get shot and killed and the killer does not even get charged for 44 days. it was swept under the rug by a corrupt police department. this is the part that is bullshit.

if zimmerman gets arrested right away, proper procedures had been followed and there is no cause for outrage. when a killer walks around for 44 days and no arrest or investigation happens, that is bullshit and sharpton and jackson are gonna get involved.

they are social activists. this is what they do.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit wrote:

No, I believe Sharpton and Jackson would have somehow forced their way into the case some other way. That's how they make a living.

that's your opinion but hardly something you can hang your hat on in this argument

I gave you Sharpton's exact words....

Gern Blansten

Godfather. wrote:

nailed it ! and this is the misconception that started it all "Aggressive white man shoots and kills UNARMED black BOY." zimmerman is half Mexican also but the media and black community ran with the white man side of the story
then used photos of Trayvon that were of him when he was 12 years old so the black community and the media tried to sell the public a story that was filled with half truths to begen with.

Godfather.

yes I agree the case would have been big regardless...it was definitely an interesting case for sure

Made even more interesting that one of the jurors said she wished they could have convicted him of murder but the laws just didn't allow for that.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

nailed it ! and this is the misconception that started it all "Aggressive white man shoots and kills UNARMED black BOY." zimmerman is half Mexican also but the media and black community ran with the white man side of the story
then used photos of Trayvon that were of him when he was 12 years old so the black community and the media tried to sell the public a story that was filled with half truths to begen with.

Godfather.

yes I agree the case would have been big regardless...it was definitely an interesting case for sure

Made even more interesting that one of the jurors said she wished they could have convicted him of murder but the laws just didn't allow for that.

the whole mess was a shame.

Godfather.

aerial

Gern Blansten wrote:

aerial wrote:

How about this one http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-mcnabb/black-man-shoots-white-teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/

Not comparable: http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roderickscott.asp

The kid was in the act of committing a crime

The shooter was "Promptly arrested on a charge of second degree murder".....THIS is the key factor in the outrage over the Trayvon Martin case.

Honestly....some of you do not know the facts and you have no idea what you are even arguing. As I said you are outraged because Faux News told you to be.


Next

First Zimmerman is not white as someone posted earlier....trayvon was beating Zimmerman which means he was breaking the law/ committing a crime..... Zimmerman defended himself is the reason he was not arrested.....then it turned into a race issue so to appease the racist the FBI investigated and found NO reason to arrest Zimmerman......so they imported Angela Corey from my town and since she is trying to climb the political ladder she withheld evidence to the defence team which is a another scandal...... so one of her employees knowing she was trying to railroad Zimmerman told the defence and now she fired his ass for outing her.....this trial should never have happened.......the only reason it happened is because the media had the public believing Zimmerman was white, when looking at him there was no mistaking that he was NOT white......it's easy to brain wash the ignorant...

Gern Blansten

aerial wrote:

First Zimmerman is not white as someone posted earlier....trayvon was beating Zimmerman which means he was breaking the law/ committing a crime..... Zimmerman defended himself is the reason he was not arrested.....then it turned into a race issue so to appease the racist the FBI investigated and found NO reason to arrest Zimmerman......so they imported Angela Corey from my town and since she is trying to climb the political ladder she withheld evidence to the defence team which is a another scandal...... so one of her employees knowing she was trying to railroad Zimmerman told the defence and now she fired his ass for outing her.....this trial should never have happened.......the only reason it happened is because the media had the public believing Zimmerman was white, when looking at him there was no mistaking that he was NOT white......it's easy to brain wash the ignorant...

How do you know Trayvon wasn't standing his ground? If someone follows you into a dark alley would you possibly feel the need to punch them in the nose if you're a 17 year old kid?

aerial

Gern Blansten wrote:

aerial wrote:

First Zimmerman is not white as someone posted earlier....trayvon was beating Zimmerman which means he was breaking the law/ committing a crime..... Zimmerman defended himself is the reason he was not arrested.....then it turned into a race issue so to appease the racist the FBI investigated and found NO reason to arrest Zimmerman......so they imported Angela Corey from my town and since she is trying to climb the political ladder she withheld evidence to the defence team which is a another scandal...... so one of her employees knowing she was trying to railroad Zimmerman told the defence and now she fired his ass for outing her.....this trial should never have happened.......the only reason it happened is because the media had the public believing Zimmerman was white, when looking at him there was no mistaking that he was NOT white......it's easy to brain wash the ignorant...

How do you know Trayvon wasn't standing his ground? If someone follows you into a dark alley would you possibly feel the need to punch them in the nose if you're a 17 year old kid?

he did not follow him in a dark ally......and there was an eyewitness

Godfather.

aerial wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

aerial wrote:

How about this one http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-mcnabb/black-man-shoots-white-teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/

Not comparable: http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roderickscott.asp

The kid was in the act of committing a crime

The shooter was "Promptly arrested on a charge of second degree murder".....THIS is the key factor in the outrage over the Trayvon Martin case.

Honestly....some of you do not know the facts and you have no idea what you are even arguing. As I said you are outraged because Faux News told you to be.


Next

First Zimmerman is not white as someone posted earlier....trayvon was beating Zimmerman which means he was breaking the law/ committing a crime..... Zimmerman defended himself is the reason he was not arrested.....then it turned into a race issue so to appease the racist the FBI investigated and found NO reason to arrest Zimmerman......so they imported Angela Corey from my town and since she is trying to climb the political ladder she withheld evidence to the defence team which is a another scandal...... so one of her employees knowing she was trying to railroad Zimmerman told the defence and now she fired his ass for outing her.....this trial should never have happened.......the only reason it happened is because the media had the public believing Zimmerman was white, when looking at him there was no mistaking that he was NOT white......it's easy to brain wash the ignorant...

great post ! thank you.

Godfather.

RW81233

how light skinned do you have to be to be "white"? or how dark-skinned to be "black"?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

aerial wrote:

First Zimmerman is not white as someone posted earlier....trayvon was beating Zimmerman which means he was breaking the law/ committing a crime..... Zimmerman defended himself is the reason he was not arrested.....then it turned into a race issue so to appease the racist the FBI investigated and found NO reason to arrest Zimmerman......so they imported Angela Corey from my town and since she is trying to climb the political ladder she withheld evidence to the defence team which is a another scandal...... so one of her employees knowing she was trying to railroad Zimmerman told the defence and now she fired his ass for outing her.....this trial should never have happened.......the only reason it happened is because the media had the public believing Zimmerman was white, when looking at him there was no mistaking that he was NOT white......it's easy to brain wash the ignorant...

just to be clear, I posted what the media had made this story out to be. I wasn't saying he was white. I know he's not.

and how do you know "trayvon was beating Zimmerman"? And if he was, would it not be justified had he been thinking his life was in danger. You don't just get a beat down and run away from a dude with a gun. You STAND YOUR GROUND. Ironically.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

RW81233 wrote:

how light skinned do you have to be to be "white"? or how dark-skinned to be "black"?

I know a african american girl who has white skin and blond hair. But the hair is an afro. Has nothing to do with skin colour. Just your background (her dad is black, mom is white).