Trayvon Martin

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

this story is about race ...

it doesn't mean that zimmerman was a racist ... it's a story about race because:

* would there have been an earlier arrest if martin was white
* would there have been as much media attention if martin was white
* would there be the outrage by members of the community/public if martin was white
* would sharpton/obama/jackson have gotten involved if martin was white

ultimately, as i have been saying for a while, issues of race have not been resolved in the american public ... the belief that is has been is only denial ... race plays a significant role in the daily happenings in america (and the rest of the world for that matter) ... amongst a myriad of issues ... this case is a story about what it means to be a young black male in america ...

Its a story about race because the MEDIA Wanted it to be about it. The media made up their own story and ran with it.
Ask yourself, why did the media:
1. Doctor zimmermans photo to make him more white?
2. Edit zimmermans 911 call to make it seem like he was a racisit.
3. Use Zimmermans mug shot and Trayon's smiling school boy photo?
4. CNN accusing zimmerman of using the word "coon"
5. Media describing zimmerman as "white"
6. Media then described zimmerman as "white Hispanic"

Who knows how things would have played out in your "scenarios" but we now know that if anybody other than a black person kills another black person, that, that person will be labeled as "white" and go through the American justice system as guilty until proven innocent with help from the media and the president.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

1. He previously and bragged about being in fights
2. when security guard searched his backpack he found women's ring and earring as well as a screw driver said to be used as a burglary tool.
3. Tested positive for marijuana after death/ had photos of himself using weed/ pictures of him growing weed.
Whether you like it or not, all three of these are illegal.
4. attempted to acquire a firearm illegal/ Had photographs of him holding a gun on twitter.

So again ill ask, why does it bother you so much that Zimmerman overreacted and called the cops a bunch of time and you try to draw conclusions of what kind of "character" he was from that, yet TM's actions don't get a peep?

I'll take a crack at it.
1. I knew dozens of kids in high school that bragged about fights. So?
2. Screw driver "said" to be used as burglary tool? I hadnt heard this. Where's the info that Trayvon used a screwdriver to burglarize someone/something? was he convicted? I have a screwdriver in my car right now, and every now and then, you might find my wife's earrings in the cup holder. What am I guilty of?
3. I know a lot of people who smoke weed. there are pictures of Trayvon growing weed? This i did not know.
I also know a lot of people who go over the speed limit every day - also illegal.
4. I also didnt know he tried to get a firearm. That's not good.

To sum up, I'd rather not live next door to Trayvon OR Zimmerman. But I dont blame folks for saying they wouldnt want Zimemrman as a neighbor. He killed someone after making very poor decisions. I think a lot of people given the choice, would probably steer clear of the guy. And as Polaris said, none of those things you listed led to the decision Zimmerman made to pursue trayvon. But you make a good point about Trayvon's propensity to fight. That might have been a contributor to his death.

A lot of Trayvon's character flaws are similar to tons of kids that dont ever end up killing someone in their lifetime. So, the bottom line for me is, Zimmerman had it in him to make terrible decisions and kill someone. Trayvon is just a stupid kid. I'd pick trayvon as a neighbor over zimmerman any day.

polaris_x

Blockhead wrote:

Its a story about race because the MEDIA Wanted it to be about it. The media made up their own story and ran with it.
Ask yourself, why did the media:
1. Doctor zimmermans photo to make him more white?
2. Edit zimmermans 911 call to make it seem like he was a racisit.
3. Use Zimmermans mug shot and Trayon's smiling school boy photo?
4. CNN accusing zimmerman of using the word "coon"
5. Media describing zimmerman as "white"
6. Media then described zimmerman as "white Hispanic"

Who knows how things would have played out in your "scenarios" but we now know that if anybody other than a black person kills another black person, that, that person will be labeled as "white" and go through the American justice system as guilty until proven innocent with help from the media and the president.

the media is a reflection of our society ... if they made it about race it's only because that is what sells ... whether it is right or wrong is secondary to the fact that as a society - we ate it up that way ... it doesn't go that route if race wasn't an issue in america ...

do you think the election of barack obama is about race? ...

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

this story is about race ...

it doesn't mean that zimmerman was a racist ... it's a story about race because:

* would there have been an earlier arrest if martin was white
* would there have been as much media attention if martin was white
* would there be the outrage by members of the community/public if martin was white
* would sharpton/obama/jackson have gotten involved if martin was white

ultimately, as i have been saying for a while, issues of race have not been resolved in the american public ... the belief that is has been is only denial ... race plays a significant role in the daily happenings in america (and the rest of the world for that matter) ... amongst a myriad of issues ... this case is a story about what it means to be a young black male in america ...

Its a story about race because the MEDIA Wanted it to be about it. The media made up their own story and ran with it.
Ask yourself, why did the media:
1. Doctor zimmermans photo to make him more white?
2. Edit zimmermans 911 call to make it seem like he was a racisit.
3. Use Zimmermans mug shot and Trayon's smiling school boy photo?
4. CNN accusing zimmerman of using the word "coon"
5. Media describing zimmerman as "white"
6. Media then described zimmerman as "white Hispanic"

Who knows how things would have played out in your "scenarios" but we now know that if anybody other than a black person kills another black person, that, that person will be labeled as "white" and go through the American justice system as guilty until proven innocent with help from the media and the president.

Many of the mainstream media outlets certainly did butcher this thing in the early stages. It was really pathetic.

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Here is what I don't get, and for some reason everybody is doing it.
Why do you care or why does it matter that you wouldn't like zimmerman as a neighbor? Why do you and other continue to focus on that?
I guess Ill be the first to say it, but;
I wouldn't want trayvon martin walking in my neighbor hood. And ill bring up the facts why i feel this way.
1. He previously and bragged about being in fights
2. when security guard searched his backpack he found women's ring and earring as well as a screw driver said to be used as a burglary tool.
3. Tested positive for marijuana after death/ had photos of himself using weed/ pictures of him growing weed.
Whether you like it or not, all three of these are illegal.
4. attempted to acquire a firearm illegal/ Had photographs of him holding a gun on twitter.

So again ill ask, why does it bother you so much that Zimmerman overreacted and called the cops a bunch of time and you try to draw conclusions of what kind of "character" he was from that, yet TM's actions don't get a peep?

because zimmeman doesn't know those things ... all he knows is that he's a black kid with a hoodie on ... all the stuff you wrote about martin is irrelevant ... why did he continue to pursue this kid, which is an act of aggression, even tho he was told vehemently not to? ...

LOL here we go again... Another lib that didn't follow the trial.
No he didn't know those things, but he did correctly assume the TM was on drugs, as that what was relayed to the dispatch and confirmed through the autopsy.
Zimmerman also know about the continual break in and burglaries from black people in the neighborhood, which again is supported by facts in the court.
The prosecution could not prove that zimmerman pursued TM. If you have that evidence please provide it.
What officer of the LAW and what LAW did zimmerman break by leaving his car?
Using words like "vehemently" and "agression" are nothing more than you making something a bigger issue than they really are and are doing the states tactic of rely on emotions.
Can you please link the audio tape of where zimmerman was "vehemently told not to" I haven't heard that version yet... Was it played in court?

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

this story is about race ...

it doesn't mean that zimmerman was a racist ... it's a story about race because:

* would there have been an earlier arrest if martin was white
* would there have been as much media attention if martin was white
* would there be the outrage by members of the community/public if martin was white
* would sharpton/obama/jackson have gotten involved if martin was white

ultimately, as i have been saying for a while, issues of race have not been resolved in the american public ... the belief that is has been is only denial ... race plays a significant role in the daily happenings in america (and the rest of the world for that matter) ... amongst a myriad of issues ... this case is a story about what it means to be a young black male in america ...

Its a story about race because the MEDIA Wanted it to be about it. The media made up their own story and ran with it.
Ask yourself, why did the media:
1. Doctor zimmermans photo to make him more white?
2. Edit zimmermans 911 call to make it seem like he was a racisit.
3. Use Zimmermans mug shot and Trayon's smiling school boy photo?
4. CNN accusing zimmerman of using the word "coon"
5. Media describing zimmerman as "white"
6. Media then described zimmerman as "white Hispanic"

Who knows how things would have played out in your "scenarios" but we now know that if anybody other than a black person kills another black person, that, that person will be labeled as "white" and go through the American justice system as guilty until proven innocent with help from the media and the president.

Many of the mainstream media outlets certainly did butcher this thing in the early stages. It was really pathetic.

Butcher???
I think the correct term is "witch-hunt"

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

1. He previously and bragged about being in fights
2. when security guard searched his backpack he found women's ring and earring as well as a screw driver said to be used as a burglary tool.
3. Tested positive for marijuana after death/ had photos of himself using weed/ pictures of him growing weed.
Whether you like it or not, all three of these are illegal.
4. attempted to acquire a firearm illegal/ Had photographs of him holding a gun on twitter.

So again ill ask, why does it bother you so much that Zimmerman overreacted and called the cops a bunch of time and you try to draw conclusions of what kind of "character" he was from that, yet TM's actions don't get a peep?

I'll take a crack at it.
1. I knew dozens of kids in high school that bragged about fights. So?
2. Screw driver "said" to be used as burglary tool? I hadnt heard this. Where's the info that Trayvon used a screwdriver to burglarize someone/something? was he convicted? I have a screwdriver in my car right now, and every now and then, you might find my wife's earrings in the cup holder. What am I guilty of?
3. I know a lot of people who smoke weed. there are pictures of Trayvon growing weed? This i did not know.
I also know a lot of people who go over the speed limit every day - also illegal.
4. I also didnt know he tried to get a firearm. That's not good.

To sum up, I'd rather not live next door to Trayvon OR Zimmerman. But I dont blame folks for saying they wouldnt want Zimemrman as a neighbor. He killed someone after making very poor decisions. I think a lot of people given the choice, would probably steer clear of the guy. And as Polaris said, none of those things you listed led to the decision Zimmerman made to pursue trayvon. But you make a good point about Trayvon's propensity to fight. That might have been a contributor to his death.

A lot of Trayvon's character flaws are similar to tons of kids that dont ever end up killing someone in their lifetime. So, the bottom line for me is, Zimmerman had it in him to make terrible decisions and kill someone. Trayvon is just a stupid kid. I'd pick trayvon as a neighbor over zimmerman any day.

You would pick someone who obtains guns illegally over someone who takes the time/pays for their CCW?

unsung

AGAIN, this is not a stand your ground case.

JonnyPistachio

unsung wrote:

AGAIN, this is not a stand your ground case.

Yes, we know the defense didnt revolve their case around SYG, but it was obviously relevant to the case to some degree. And if you missed my post earlier, you can see that it was even outlined in the jury instructions.

So, no its not a stand your ground case of course. It was a murder case. (shouldve been a manslaughter case).

polaris_x

Blockhead wrote:

LOL here we go again... Another lib that didn't follow the trial.
No he didn't know those things, but he did correctly assume the TM was on drugs, as that what was relayed to the dispatch and confirmed through the autopsy.
Zimmerman also know about the continual break in and burglaries from black people in the neighborhood, which again is supported by facts in the court.
The prosecution could not prove that zimmerman pursued TM. If you have that evidence please provide it.
What officer of the LAW and what LAW did zimmerman break by leaving his car?
Using words like "vehemently" and "agression" are nothing more than you making something a bigger issue than they really are and are doing the states tactic of rely on emotions.
Can you please link the audio tape of where zimmerman was "vehemently told not to" I haven't heard that version yet... Was it played in court?

are you saying that there was no words telling him not to pursue martin? ... if so, i'll spend the time to look that up ... but if you are going to pick on the word vehemently ... then i'm not gonna waste my time ...

what does having smoked a joint have anything to do with this? ... if neighbourhood watch guys are meant to follow anyone that might have a smoked a j ... they have a lot of people to follow ...

where was he shot and where was his vehicle? ... if he was at his vehicle when the dispatcher told him to stop pursuit ... the fight should have been near the vehicle ...

cp3iverson

In Houston a grandmother was rushing her grandchild to the emergency room and her car was blocked by a Trayvon protest that was refusing to let traffic through. When she pleaded to be let through she was beaten. They also thought it would be clever to block an ambulance that was trying to rush through.

So much for peaceful protests. The cause is lost when you do stupid shit like that. If I was ever put in that unfortunate position i would have no problem hitting the gas.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

1. He previously and bragged about being in fights
2. when security guard searched his backpack he found women's ring and earring as well as a screw driver said to be used as a burglary tool.
3. Tested positive for marijuana after death/ had photos of himself using weed/ pictures of him growing weed.
Whether you like it or not, all three of these are illegal.
4. attempted to acquire a firearm illegal/ Had photographs of him holding a gun on twitter.

So again ill ask, why does it bother you so much that Zimmerman overreacted and called the cops a bunch of time and you try to draw conclusions of what kind of "character" he was from that, yet TM's actions don't get a peep?

I'll take a crack at it.
1. I knew dozens of kids in high school that bragged about fights. So?
2. Screw driver "said" to be used as burglary tool? I hadnt heard this. Where's the info that Trayvon used a screwdriver to burglarize someone/something? was he convicted? I have a screwdriver in my car right now, and every now and then, you might find my wife's earrings in the cup holder. What am I guilty of?
3. I know a lot of people who smoke weed. there are pictures of Trayvon growing weed? This i did not know.
I also know a lot of people who go over the speed limit every day - also illegal.
4. I also didnt know he tried to get a firearm. That's not good.

To sum up, I'd rather not live next door to Trayvon OR Zimmerman. But I dont blame folks for saying they wouldnt want Zimemrman as a neighbor. He killed someone after making very poor decisions. I think a lot of people given the choice, would probably steer clear of the guy. And as Polaris said, none of those things you listed led to the decision Zimmerman made to pursue trayvon. But you make a good point about Trayvon's propensity to fight. That might have been a contributor to his death.

A lot of Trayvon's character flaws are similar to tons of kids that dont ever end up killing someone in their lifetime. So, the bottom line for me is, Zimmerman had it in him to make terrible decisions and kill someone. Trayvon is just a stupid kid. I'd pick trayvon as a neighbor over zimmerman any day.

You would pick someone who obtains guns illegally over someone who takes the time/pays for their CCW?

I didnt know Trayvon obtained guns illegally. I do know Zimmerman is a poor decision maker who killed someone.
Again, I'd rather not live near either of them. But Im just making a point as to why I wouldnt want to live near Zimmerman. You asked why several of us have said that, and our answer is usually because he makes poor decisions, lies, and killed someone .That's enough for me. No need to ask why Trayvon's character doesnt come into play anymore...

Jason P

Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

JonnyPistachio

Jason P wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

You'd think. Actually I believe most neighborhood watch guidelines do not allow guns at all. And they also arent supposed to pursue on foot. Zimmerman did things his own way obviously.

norm

Jason P wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

you ever had skittles thrown at you? a taser can't stop that

JimmyV

norm wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

you ever had skittles thrown at you? a taser can't stop that

They really need to be trained in the ways of the Force if they are to stand any chance against such weaponry.

Jason P

JimmyV wrote:

norm wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

you ever had skittles thrown at you? a taser can't stop that

They really need to be trained in the ways of the Force if they are to stand any chance against such weaponry.

At the very least they should be run through Cmndt. Eric Lassard's Citizens On Patrol training.

ajedigecko

cp3iverson wrote:

In Houston a grandmother was rushing her grandchild to the emergency room and her car was blocked by a Trayvon protest that was refusing to let traffic through. When she pleaded to be let through she was beaten. They also thought it would be clever to block an ambulance that was trying to rush through.

So much for peaceful protests. The cause is lost when you do stupid shit like that. If I was ever put in that unfortunate position i would have no problem hitting the gas.

Crap...i just read this also.

I already believe her grandchild is more valuable than the savage things.

All she did was roll the window down and attempt to reason with them.

gimmesometruth27

oh, i am sorry. i did not know that trayvon martin was on trial for his own murder. :oops:

when does the victim's facebook come into play? it was not admitted into evidence, so how can that even be relevant to the events of that night? did his alleged attempt to get sizzrup have anything to do with him being profiled, followed, confronted, and shot in the heart? i didn't think so. those events happened because he was a strange black kid walking in a gated community. that is the only reason those events happened. it has nothing to do with him posting about guns and stuff. fact is, he had no gun on his person, and the person that did have one used it to take the life of a teenager. these are facts. i am not making them up.

blockhead, was there evidence at his dad's house about sizzrup? was there??

i know what makes good ecstasy. i have never made it, but i know the ingredients. does that make me guilty of anything? am i now legally a target of a vigilante?

and thank you for instructing me how to post, but i think i am doing ok posting the way i post. i don't tell you not to post as a hateful, condescending person. i can handle reading your posts, so you can deal with my posts i think.

this whole thing about sizzrup and making a story out of that IS playing on stereotypes of young african americans. it is diverting attention from the whole point that the stand your ground laws are fucked up. this is 2013, not the old west.

and what you all are doing, assassinating trayvon's character long after death, is very unfair. he lost his life. you can't leave it at that? you want to bash him and his family now still?? haven't they suffered enough?

you can attack me all you want. you are on the wrong side of this, and the feds are gonna try to prove that. you never once referred to this as a tragedy. any time a teenager is shot to death it is a tragedy.

Blockhead wrote:

and to blow your "NO" evidence claim.
1. According to Trayvon Martin's own Facebook posts he had been using "lean" since at least June 2011.
2. June 27th 2011, Martin asks friend via Facebook "unow a connect for codien"
3. He tells his friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean". "I had it before" and wants "to make some more"

Next time you want to debate/discuss a case, especially one of this magnitude, you might want to know the actual facts, not just read whatever biased headlines "your news" feeds you. And quite attacking posters claiming their "spreading bullshit stereotypical nonsense."
I wish people like you didn't blindly following your political side on every subject.

Instead of discussing/debating this trial/case from your own formed opinion and forming your own conclusions you just "stuck" to your political side and let them do all the talking for you. And now look at how much you an idiot you look like by saying the things you do, when the evidence is so easily available if you actually did the research.
This is direct not only to you but several posters in this thread.

Its Evolution Baby

Blockhead wrote:

Here is what I don't get, and for some reason everybody is doing it.
Why do you care or why does it matter that you wouldn't like zimmerman as a neighbor? Why do you and other continue to focus on that?
I guess Ill be the first to say it, but;
I wouldn't want trayvon martin walking in my neighbor hood. And ill bring up the facts why i feel this way.
1. He previously and bragged about being in fights
2. when security guard searched his backpack he found women's ring and earring as well as a screw driver said to be used as a burglary tool.
3. Tested positive for marijuana after death/ had photos of himself using weed/ pictures of him growing weed.
Whether you like it or not, all three of these are illegal.
4. attempted to acquire a firearm illegal/ Had photographs of him holding a gun on twitter.

So again ill ask, why does it bother you so much that Zimmerman overreacted and called the cops a bunch of time and you try to draw conclusions of what kind of "character" he was from that, yet TM's actions don't get a peep?

I can sum up my feelings on this so I can leave this discussion freely.

Lack of Evidence can make it easy to argue that Zimmerman gets off. I cede that. I'm gong to try to insert my opinions in () so there is less confusion in my posts between facts and opininated statements.

Since no one knows what happened other than Zimmerman (he killed the other witness), we ALL are forming opinions on what happened that night. Everything you say is an opinion even when you call out others for not stating facts. The only FACT we really know of is the day the killing happened, the address of the killing and who pulled the trigger.

You point to Martin's past and show that Zimmerman had the right to follow, I counter he didn't KNOW that at the time.

You say you don't want Martin in the neighborhood. Try telling that to Martin's dad who lives there. Martin had as much right to be there as Zimmerman.

On the drugs thing, but I'm not sure you've tried pot before. If anything pot makes you stay home and eat ALOT, not cause a disturbance outside. The only role Pot may have played in this case was Martin being paranoid someone was following him. (Turns out he was right. Just becuase I'm paranoid, don't mean they're not after you. )

Lastly the reason my opinon on the man matters is that is all I have to go on. I think he's overzealous on looking out for the neighborhood. (The example I showed of him calling the cops on children TWICE but this is still an opinion) and that overzealousness led to the killing of an unarmed Teenager (I guess this is an opinion but I believe this strongly). Unless Martin was a licenced fighter he's considered unarmed in a street fight. (I'm calling it a fight becuase there is no evidence Martin attacked unprovoked other than Zimmerman's word. Which I've established means nothing to me.) I don't care how strong he is etc...Zimmerman could have gotten out of that situation (IMO) without a death.

That's pretty much it.