I'm glad that bands like Foo Fighters, Greenday, Offsping, Mudhoney et al are all still going. Sure some of their music is not as good as it once was and some of it is outsanding. But all these guys (and many others) have earned the right to be respected and if they do something you don't like - that's your problem - not theirs.
For the record, I think Wasting Light is a great record and the tour they did to support it blows out of the water, just about every other band I've seen in my 25 year of going to concerts.
do you really put Mudhoney in that same catagory - at least musically? Aside from PJ atm probably my favourite band whereas I can't stand FF or Greenday (esp Greenday) and have never owned an Offspring Album
I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
Christ almighty. At this point in Dave's career, Kurt isn't even worthy of licking Dave's boots. I've seen Nirvana with and without Dave, and I can honestly attest that without him, Nirvana would have been marginally successful at best (truth hurts) and OP probably would've never known Kurt from Adam. Period. I think Dave fucking Grohl is entitled to play music how he damn well pleases and associate with whomever he damn well pleases. He's paid his dues in spades. Get off his dick.
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do you really put Mudhoney in that same catagory - at least musically? Aside from PJ atm probably my favourite band whereas I can't stand FF or Greenday (esp Greenday) and have never owned an Offspring Album
And to think I actually thought you made the most sense on the thread so far....
Point I was trying to make is that all those bands appeal to different people and there is a crossover of audience. They're all bands I liked in the early 90s and are still going now. I could have added a lot of other bands to that list like You Am I, Crowded House, Metalica, Smashing Pumpkins, Faith No More, for instance. I've seen them all play, I liked their shows and I also like the fact they just do what they do and fuck what everyone else thinks. They're free to explore different aspects of their creative side I respect them for it, even if I don't like everything they've done. It seems everyone has 'forgiven' CC for his past 'mistakes' now that Soundgarden are together. I bet in the 90s people would have scoffed at Ed putting out a Uke album or called him a sell out.
At the end of the day, I'd rather see any of the bands listed above in the charts and on stage than GaGa or the autotuned, under dressed (or hooker wear) under talented 'artists' thrust upon us by commercial radio and a music industry that has really lost it's way. Shit I'd rather go with my parents to see Neil Diamond.
okay.. separate musically just wanted to make sure no need for a personal attack
I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
And Dave Grohl is one of the great frontmen... enough said...
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Like Pandora said, they don't speak to me like PJ do, but I do enjoy their music. I saw them in Philly recently, and they put on a hell of a show. I enjoyed seeing them on the Grammys last night too. I only saw them perform "Walk", as i didn't get a chance to watch the entire broadcast. Does anyone have a link to the other song that they did?
I think the Foos blow PJ out of the water with their latest record. They are also very high energy and it's a lot of fun to see them live. However, Pearl Jam has the emotional connection that keeps them afloat while their last couple of records were subpar. I still give PJ the edge, but it's getting much closer for me.
Unless i was dreaming they performed w s.mouse (hbo show angry boys) tonight at grammys. Thank god for pj. Would rather be dead kurt than alive dave.
im a joke for taking the time to watch an awards show? what do you call the schmuck who takes the time to rip that person on a pj forum? you didnt watch but i cant criticize what i watched? thats logic there.
and as far as making fun of my writing im very sorry. ill save my well written foo fighters manifesto for later. will you proof read it? you obviously seem to have the time. just no time for awards shows cool guy? i just quickly wrote some observations. i find it pretty sad that you resort to making fun of my writing? my apologies if youre 13 years old.
That documentary they did for the making of Wasting Light shows you how much they just love making music.
You mean that one that's half Dave being a douche and kicking people out of HIS band and half a commercial for Wasting Light? I think Grohl SEEMS like a pretty funny and cool guy alot of the time, but I think it clouds some peoples' judgment on how good the actual music is. Check out the Wasting Light thread and a good portion of the posts are talking about how funny some appearance by Dave was. To me all they've ever been is a singles band, much closer to Nickelback than the bands that Dave proclaims to idolize.
It definitely seems poser-ish to preach out against electronic and rap music and then come Grammy time perform with the genres' biggest acts. On that same note I know DG loves some metal, but did anybody else think the Slayer t seemed a little forced?
And get the fuck out of Paul McCartney's shot you schmuck. He knew right where the camera was goin for that last line and he had to get in there with his oh so earnest singalong-ing. And honestly, with Macca up there nobody even cared about the the Boss or Joe Walsh, so why would they give a shit about Grohl.
If you look back at the history of music you will find Pearl Jam right beside The Stones, Zeppelin, The Who and The Beatles as the greatest ROCK bands ever.
Look at this with a little objectivity and you'll see how ridiculous this statement is. PJ will always be among my favorite bands, but those band you mentioned along with Pink Floyd and Black Sabbath accomplished more with their influence alone than PJ ever could.
Unless i was dreaming they performed w s.mouse (hbo show angry boys) tonight at grammys. Thank god for pj. Would rather be dead kurt than alive dave.
im a joke for taking the time to watch an awards show? what do you call the schmuck who takes the time to rip that person on a pj forum? you didnt watch but i cant criticize what i watched? thats logic there.
and as far as making fun of my writing im very sorry. ill save my well written foo fighters manifesto for later. will you proof read it? you obviously seem to have the time. just no time for awards shows cool guy? i just quickly wrote some observations. i find it pretty sad that you resort to making fun of my writing? my apologies if youre 13 years old.
Unless i was dreaming they performed w s.mouse (hbo show angry boys) tonight at grammys. Thank god for pj. Would rather be dead kurt than alive dave.
im a joke for taking the time to watch an awards show? what do you call the schmuck who takes the time to rip that person on a pj forum? you didnt watch but i cant criticize what i watched? thats logic there.
and as far as making fun of my writing im very sorry. ill save my well written foo fighters manifesto for later. will you proof read it? you obviously seem to have the time. just no time for awards shows cool guy? i just quickly wrote some observations. i find it pretty sad that you resort to making fun of my writing? my apologies if youre 13 years old.
I personally love the Foos, Dave Grohl is awesome to watch live. His schtick is very entertaining between songs, he plays the shit out of his guitar, and Taylor Hawkins on that kit is a sight to behold.
I didn't watch the grammy's last night, but others in this thread are right... if the band is up there playing with a DJ who's re-hashed and playing a recording on stage, that makes him a bit of a hypocrite in terms of the idealisms he's been preaching on this most recent tour... that being said, I do also enjoy deadmau5, so I'll have to go check out a video of it later.
Look, I get it, everyone here loves Pearl Jam to the core, number 1 favorite band... but the truth of the matter is, Foo Fighters are comparable. They make great rock music, they actually tour across the US and the globe, and they wave the "real music" banner high and proud, instead of happily hiding in the shadows of the modern music scene. Every band is different, but that doesn't make them "shit".
Slap Wasting light and Backspacer in the player and tell me which one you like more.
Or go back and put on In Your Honor and Lost Dogs and do another comparison.
It's not that I dislike any of those PJ albums, just flat up, the Foo Fighters have made some fantastic music in the last decade... bottom line.
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this is who the foos collaborated with last night but im wrong? give me a break. grohl even ripped fake music in his acceptance speech and he talked about how important "real" instruments are in making music. then he performs with a fake mouse who makes fake music. and im still wrong. i love being wrong then. click below to hear the wonderful piece of MUSIC.
Slap Wasting light and Backspacer in the player and tell me which one you like more.
Or go back and put on In Your Honor and Lost Dogs and do another comparison.
You might be right with your first one but that still doesn't make Wasting Light a great album.
I think part 2 highlights why the FF's aren't that great. PJ completely slay them with a throwaways album. Sure there's some tunes on Lost Dogs that aren't all that great, but I'll take the adventurousness of a band trying some of that stuff over the bland stylings of In Your Honor.
hahaha. this wouldnt be AS bad if grohl wasnt wearing a slayer tee and he didnt rip making music with computers in his acceptance speech. hypocrite much?
[quote="The Beatles as the greatest ROCK bands ever.."
Now that's funny.... Pop not Rock. Agree with rest of bands
Dont mean to derail OP's thread.[/quote]
I do mean to derail the thread. The Beatles are absolutely a rock band. There's no 2 ways about it. The reason alot of people say they're not is b/c of how much they revolutionized it.
this is who the foos collaborated with last night but im wrong? give me a break. grohl even ripped fake music in his acceptance speech and he talked about how important "real" instruments are in making music. then he performs with a fake mouse who makes fake music. and im still wrong. i love being wrong then. click below to hear the wonderful piece of MUSIC.
I stand by my statement that the analogy in the OP is offensive, but I think EVERYONE is entitled to musical taste and opinion. While I don't LOVE the Foo Fighters lyrics/songs, I think they are incredibly talented musicians. Take words out of it, I actually enjoy just listening to them rock out. I do enjoy a handful of songs, but even on the ones I don't like, I think they sound very tight.
I understand what they did can be seen as hypocritical, but I also see, as someone else mentioned, that they are trying to fight the good fight. That rock is not dead and can rival all this other shit that is out there. It's what he basically said in his speech. Their extra performance with Deadmaus, while maybe not in best judgment, was to help get across his message. At least that's what I got from it.
I think the Grammy AWARDS are ridiculous, but as a lover of all different types of music, I enjoy the performances (I should say some ). I didn't think that Grohl was mocking Sir Paul. He seemed completely into it, and moved quickly out of the way once he put his head down to realize what he was doing. Just my observation.
The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way with Grohl is that I watched an interview where he talked about writing songs. And he talked about how he writes a lot of songs that are geared towards mass audiences and what people will find catchy. He walked through the process and made a comment that the radio hits were the ones that pay his bills and keeps his lights on. I think they are incredibly talented, but when he said that, it made sense as to why so much of their songs that are released sound so poppy and are hard to connect to (for me @ least). Which is surprising considering their backgrounds and "views on music". Their entire catalogue is obviously not like that, but there is a point to make songs that will appeal to "popular culture". He was not joking either when he was discussing how he wrote their hits.
[quote="The Beatles as the greatest ROCK bands ever.."
Now that's funny.... Pop not Rock. Agree with rest of bands
Dont mean to derail OP's thread.
I do mean to derail the thread. The Beatles are absolutely a rock band. There's no 2 ways about it. The reason alot of people say they're not is b/c of how much they revolutionized it.[/quote]
:thumbup: I hate when people say The Beatles aren't a rock band.
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for the record, ive heard all foo albums and ive seen them live. i dont dislike their music that much. i feel like its loud pop and they have some great songs. However, their albums dont have much flow and id label them as a cooler nickelback. its mainly grohl that i am taking to task here. ive heard him interviewed, etc, etc.
id be a fool to question his musical talent. my FAVORITE PJ version of RITFW (95 i believe?) is from australia when hes on drums. I just think the guys a dork, a hypocrite, cheezy, and fake. most of those attributes were on display last night. its so funny that i cant have an opinion on here. i now know what the PJ dissenters feel like. i still havent heard anyone defend how grohl has repeatedly ripped on manufactured music (i havent even heard PJ bother w this topic) yet he performed w a friggin mouse DJ last night. i think i have a leg to stand on here. my kurt comment was strong and im sorry if i offended anyone. my point was a simple one in that id rather be someone who was true to what they believed than a fake. i think dave would be a great politician. lets put it that way. how hard is that to understand?
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I'm glad that bands like Foo Fighters, Greenday, Offsping, Mudhoney et al are all still going. Sure some of their music is not as good as it once was and some of it is outsanding. But all these guys (and many others) have earned the right to be respected and if they do something you don't like - that's your problem - not theirs.
For the record, I think Wasting Light is a great record and the tour they did to support it blows out of the water, just about every other band I've seen in my 25 year of going to concerts.
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And to think I actually thought you made the most sense on the thread so far....
Point I was trying to make is that all those bands appeal to different people and there is a crossover of audience. They're all bands I liked in the early 90s and are still going now. I could have added a lot of other bands to that list like You Am I, Crowded House, Metalica, Smashing Pumpkins, Faith No More, for instance. I've seen them all play, I liked their shows and I also like the fact they just do what they do and fuck what everyone else thinks. They're free to explore different aspects of their creative side I respect them for it, even if I don't like everything they've done. It seems everyone has 'forgiven' CC for his past 'mistakes' now that Soundgarden are together. I bet in the 90s people would have scoffed at Ed putting out a Uke album or called him a sell out.
At the end of the day, I'd rather see any of the bands listed above in the charts and on stage than GaGa or the autotuned, under dressed (or hooker wear) under talented 'artists' thrust upon us by commercial radio and a music industry that has really lost it's way. Shit I'd rather go with my parents to see Neil Diamond.
And Dave Grohl is one of the great frontmen... enough said...
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Never a need for a personal attack - never get one from me, just honest and respectful debate
You might wanna work on your writing skills too.
they seemed so happy last evening and full of personality, that was nice to watch
F'N Hilarious!!!!
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im a joke for taking the time to watch an awards show? what do you call the schmuck who takes the time to rip that person on a pj forum? you didnt watch but i cant criticize what i watched? thats logic there.
and as far as making fun of my writing im very sorry. ill save my well written foo fighters manifesto for later. will you proof read it? you obviously seem to have the time. just no time for awards shows cool guy? i just quickly wrote some observations. i find it pretty sad that you resort to making fun of my writing? my apologies if youre 13 years old.
You mean that one that's half Dave being a douche and kicking people out of HIS band and half a commercial for Wasting Light? I think Grohl SEEMS like a pretty funny and cool guy alot of the time, but I think it clouds some peoples' judgment on how good the actual music is. Check out the Wasting Light thread and a good portion of the posts are talking about how funny some appearance by Dave was. To me all they've ever been is a singles band, much closer to Nickelback than the bands that Dave proclaims to idolize.
It definitely seems poser-ish to preach out against electronic and rap music and then come Grammy time perform with the genres' biggest acts. On that same note I know DG loves some metal, but did anybody else think the Slayer t seemed a little forced?
And get the fuck out of Paul McCartney's shot you schmuck. He knew right where the camera was goin for that last line and he had to get in there with his oh so earnest singalong-ing. And honestly, with Macca up there nobody even cared about the the Boss or Joe Walsh, so why would they give a shit about Grohl.
Look at this with a little objectivity and you'll see how ridiculous this statement is. PJ will always be among my favorite bands, but those band you mentioned along with Pink Floyd and Black Sabbath accomplished more with their influence alone than PJ ever could.
Best post of the thread.
I personally love the Foos, Dave Grohl is awesome to watch live. His schtick is very entertaining between songs, he plays the shit out of his guitar, and Taylor Hawkins on that kit is a sight to behold.
I didn't watch the grammy's last night, but others in this thread are right... if the band is up there playing with a DJ who's re-hashed and playing a recording on stage, that makes him a bit of a hypocrite in terms of the idealisms he's been preaching on this most recent tour... that being said, I do also enjoy deadmau5, so I'll have to go check out a video of it later.
Look, I get it, everyone here loves Pearl Jam to the core, number 1 favorite band... but the truth of the matter is, Foo Fighters are comparable. They make great rock music, they actually tour across the US and the globe, and they wave the "real music" banner high and proud, instead of happily hiding in the shadows of the modern music scene. Every band is different, but that doesn't make them "shit".
Slap Wasting light and Backspacer in the player and tell me which one you like more.
Or go back and put on In Your Honor and Lost Dogs and do another comparison.
It's not that I dislike any of those PJ albums, just flat up, the Foo Fighters have made some fantastic music in the last decade... bottom line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-zVK82n6Go&feature=fvst
You might be right with your first one but that still doesn't make Wasting Light a great album.
I think part 2 highlights why the FF's aren't that great. PJ completely slay them with a throwaways album. Sure there's some tunes on Lost Dogs that aren't all that great, but I'll take the adventurousness of a band trying some of that stuff over the bland stylings of In Your Honor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_pSSNMnl_U
Now that's funny....
Dont mean to derail OP's thread.
Now that's funny....
Dont mean to derail OP's thread.[/quote]
I do mean to derail the thread. The Beatles are absolutely a rock band. There's no 2 ways about it. The reason alot of people say they're not is b/c of how much they revolutionized it.
I like the Foos, not love...... Went to the Newark show last year, very good
But u have a point, Dave's actions and words didn't work so well last night
But the Foos are goof balls , and I've never really taken them as seriously as PJ
I understand what they did can be seen as hypocritical, but I also see, as someone else mentioned, that they are trying to fight the good fight. That rock is not dead and can rival all this other shit that is out there. It's what he basically said in his speech. Their extra performance with Deadmaus, while maybe not in best judgment, was to help get across his message. At least that's what I got from it.
I think the Grammy AWARDS are ridiculous, but as a lover of all different types of music, I enjoy the performances (I should say some
The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way with Grohl is that I watched an interview where he talked about writing songs. And he talked about how he writes a lot of songs that are geared towards mass audiences and what people will find catchy. He walked through the process and made a comment that the radio hits were the ones that pay his bills and keeps his lights on. I think they are incredibly talented, but when he said that, it made sense as to why so much of their songs that are released sound so poppy and are hard to connect to (for me @ least). Which is surprising considering their backgrounds and "views on music". Their entire catalogue is obviously not like that, but there is a point to make songs that will appeal to "popular culture". He was not joking either when he was discussing how he wrote their hits.
Either way, talented musicians.
You obviously haven't heard their albums.
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I do mean to derail the thread. The Beatles are absolutely a rock band. There's no 2 ways about it. The reason alot of people say they're not is b/c of how much they revolutionized it.[/quote]
:thumbup: I hate when people say The Beatles aren't a rock band.
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id be a fool to question his musical talent. my FAVORITE PJ version of RITFW (95 i believe?) is from australia when hes on drums. I just think the guys a dork, a hypocrite, cheezy, and fake. most of those attributes were on display last night. its so funny that i cant have an opinion on here. i now know what the PJ dissenters feel like. i still havent heard anyone defend how grohl has repeatedly ripped on manufactured music (i havent even heard PJ bother w this topic) yet he performed w a friggin mouse DJ last night. i think i have a leg to stand on here. my kurt comment was strong and im sorry if i offended anyone. my point was a simple one in that id rather be someone who was true to what they believed than a fake. i think dave would be a great politician. lets put it that way. how hard is that to understand?