So is Eli better than Peyton?

josevolution

Jamminonthe1 wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

No....It's closer, but still not that close.

I know the point is to win championships, but in the NFL it's the best TEAM that wins.

Right on, but Eli has been the man in the clutch. He puts the ball where his receivers can make spectacular plays and boy have they come through. I have no doubt Peyton would trade all of his stats for a second Super Bowl title that is never going to come for him, while Eli is young enough and good enough to win a third if the Giants continue to draft well on defense and reestablish the running game. Go Big Blue!

PS: I had leftover wings for breakfast to celebrate this victory!

I'd be more impressed if you said i had beers & wings for breakfast

mickeyrat

BinFrog wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Don't forget to remember that he hasn't won any since his receiving corp has been the better of the 2.

OR since they got busted for spygate? So maybe it hasnt been about how good they acually are at playing the game straight up. Maybe it was about stolen signals/formations.

Again, since Spygate they have been in 2 Superbowls. That's pretty %$^&ing impressive.

(I am a Giants fan...don't lose sight of that)

AND both times since spygate they've lost to whom?

Yellow Ledbelly

First off, I'm an Eli/Ole Miss fan and never have been a Peyton fan just because he went to Tennessee. I actually met a drunken Archie Manning while Peyton was at UT and gave him major shit about letting Peyton go...that was at the time Eli was being recruited. Archie is a cool dude...and I should note that I do highly respect Peyton.

For me, I've always found the notion championships equals greatness for quarterbacks to be ridiculous. Joe Montana is considered the greatest ever by many and he is no doubt on the very short list of great ones. But, let's not forget how loaded the 49ers were back then. There are plenty of NFL qbs who get stuck on sorry teams and never accomplish anything but who is to say those same guys couldn't be put on a good team and themselves win a few titles. To me, dismissing Marino in the conversation about being the greatest strictly because he didn't win a title is absurd. Give him Jerry Rice, Roger Craig and the other receiver....what's his damn name?!?!....and I'll bet you Marino would today be the proud owner of a few titles. Put Montana with the Dolphins at the same time and he doesn't accomplish any more than dan.

So,Eli's second title doesn't mean he's better than Peyton. But at this point I think its a question that really shouldn't be answered now. Peyton is in his twilight years while Eli still have a while to go and he has continued to improve. In 5 or 6 years the answer will become clear and i think eventually Eli will be looked at as better than his brother for the right reasons....and not just because of two titles....i would also predict that Eli will have more than 2 rings by that point too

JK_Livin

Yellow Ledbelly wrote:

First off, I'm an Eli/Ole Miss fan and never have been a Peyton fan just because he went to Tennessee. I actually met a drunken Archie Manning while Peyton was at UT and gave him major shit about letting Peyton go...that was at the time Eli was being recruited. Archie is a cool dude...and I should note that I do highly respect Peyton.

For me, I've always found the notion championships equals greatness for quarterbacks. Joe Montana is considered the greatest ever by many and he is no doubt on the very short list of great ones. But, let's not forget how loaded the 49ers were back then. There are plenty of NFL qbs who get stuck on sorry teams and never accomplish anything but who is to say those same guys couldn't be put on a good team and themselves win a few titles. To me, dismissing Marino in the conversation about being the greatest strictly because he didn't win a title is absurd. Give him Jerry Rice, Roger Craig and the other receiver....what's his damn name?!?!....and I'll bet you Marino would today be the proud owner of a few titles. Put Montana with the Dolphins at the same time and he doesn't accomplish any more than dan.

So,Eli's second title doesn't mean he's better than Peyton. But at this point I think its a question that really shouldn't be answered now. Peyton is in his twilight years while Eli still have a while to go and he has continued to improve. In 5 or 6 years the answer will become clear and i think eventually Eli will be looked at as better than his brother for the right reasons....and not just because of two titles....i would also predict that Eli will have more than 2 rings by that point too

John Taylor

Yellow Ledbelly

THANK YOU!!! I hate it when I do that. I had actually gotten the John part but was still blanking on the last name

DewieCox

Yellow Ledbelly wrote:

So,Eli's second title doesn't mean he's better than Peyton. But at this point I think its a question that really shouldn't be answered now. Peyton is in his twilight years while Eli still have a while to go and he has continued to improve. In 5 or 6 years the answer will become clear and i think eventually Eli will be looked at as better than his brother for the right reasons....and not just because of two titles....i would also predict that Eli will have more than 2 rings by that point too

Eli isn't gonna keep getting better and better he's probably levelling off right now. The only way Eli is ever going to be viewed as a better QB outside of SB rings is if Peyton's injury really diminishes his skills and even then Eli is never gonna be close to what Peyton was in his prime.

If Peyton comes back fully healthy from his injury look for him to be an MVP candidate every year for the rest of his career. Eli just had his best year so far and wasn't even in the conversation.

Yellow Ledbelly

I wasn't insinuating that Eli is going to continue to get better and better...but should he be able to relatively maintain the standard he set this year...you're right, his best so far...for the next several seasons he should be looked at as every bit as good as Peyton ever was.
I'm afraid Peyton probably won't be the same again but maybe so. But, if he does I think his ability to be an annual MVP candidate will depend on where he ends up playing...he won't be an MVP candidate in Washington, maybe SF, but not Washington....those two from the last I've heard being the most likely spots for him at this point in the opinions of most

DewieCox

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2011 Regular Season 359 589 4,933 61.0 8.38 29 99 16 6 92.9


CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2010 Regular Season 450 679 4,700 66.3 6.92 33 73 17 2 91.9

Eli's best season measures up pretty well to one of Peyton's average seasons...and Peyton was missing his go to guy for about half the season and yet again, no running game.

BinFrog

DewieCox wrote:

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2011 Regular Season 359 589 4,933 61.0 8.38 29 99 16 6 92.9


CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2010 Regular Season 450 679 4,700 66.3 6.92 33 73 17 2 91.9

Eli's best season measures up pretty well to one of Peyton's average seasons...and Peyton was missing his go to guy for about half the season and yet again, no running game.

Eli was also supported by a horrible run game for most of the season this year.

Yellow Ledbelly

BinFrog wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2011 Regular Season 359 589 4,933 61.0 8.38 29 99 16 6 92.9


CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2010 Regular Season 450 679 4,700 66.3 6.92 33 73 17 2 91.9

Eli's best season measures up pretty well to one of Peyton's average seasons...and Peyton was missing his go to guy for about half the season and yet again, no running game.

Eli was also supported by a horrible run game for most of the season this year.

Actually the worst in the league. Of course Peyton hasn't usually had much of any help on the ground.
THe MVP thing is meaningless to me...frankly, the fact that Eli wasn't mentioned in the conversation this year illustrates the meaningless-ness of the MVP. Where would the Giants have been without Eli's clutch play all season? They wouldn't have even been in the playoffs, no where close to it. What 16, 17 touchdowns in the fourth quarter....7 or 8 game winning drives....that's clutch and that's pretty damned valuable too

Jamminonthe1

josevolution wrote:

Jamminonthe1 wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

No....It's closer, but still not that close.

I know the point is to win championships, but in the NFL it's the best TEAM that wins.

Right on, but Eli has been the man in the clutch. He puts the ball where his receivers can make spectacular plays and boy have they come through. I have no doubt Peyton would trade all of his stats for a second Super Bowl title that is never going to come for him, while Eli is young enough and good enough to win a third if the Giants continue to draft well on defense and reestablish the running game. Go Big Blue!

PS: I had leftover wings for breakfast to celebrate this victory!

I'd be more impressed if you said i had beers & wings for breakfast

Dude, I've got two kids at home with me. Cut me some slack.

BinFrog

Yellow Ledbelly wrote:

Of course Peyton hasn't usually had much of any help on the ground.

I have to disagree with this statement. He had Edgerrin James for essentially the first half of his career, who is the all-time leading Colts running back. Also, Joseph Addai has put up some decent numbers on occasion (usually in tandem with another RB like Rhodes or Brown).

DewieCox

BinFrog wrote:

Yellow Ledbelly wrote:

Of course Peyton hasn't usually had much of any help on the ground.

I have to disagree with this statement. He had Edgerrin James for essentially the first half of his career, who is the all-time leading Colts running back. Also, Joseph Addai has put up some decent numbers on occasion (usually in tandem with another RB like Rhodes or Brown).

James was great. Best replacement for Faulk that they could've asked for.

Addai's been ok. Been pretty inconsistent since his first few years.

Cosmo

Is Eli better than Peyton?
Short answer, no.
But, it does go to show that Eli Manning is one of the better quarter backs in the league. Better than Brady or Aaron Rodgers... I say nope. But, he has proven to everyone that he deserves more respect now, than he's gotten in the past.
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Also.. If Quarterbacks are rated on Super Bowl wins, does that mean that Trent Dilfer was a better quarterback than Dan Marino?

DURP

Slap upside the head wrote:

close call but there's no question they are both much better than Archie.

Aggred.

Eli has had better overall teams during his championship runs. The numbers don't show it this year defensivly for the Giants but the Giants were the better team.

Peyton has had some great teams but couldn't stop the Patriot machine when it was running on all cylinders.

It's a tough question because Eli has gotten better since his first Super Bowl win and he will forever have the play that we all remember. Possiblly one of the greatest plays from start to finish in 07. Peyton is a beast puts up great numbers and can read and react to defenses.

Honestly at this point it's a who do you like better question. Personally i think Peyton is a much better QB then Eli.

JK_Livin

DURP wrote:

Slap upside the head wrote:

close call but there's no question they are both much better than Archie.

Aggred.

Eli has had better overall teams during his championship runs. The numbers don't show it this year defensivly for the Giants but the Giants were the better team.

Peyton has had some great teams but couldn't stop the Patriot machine when it was running on all cylinders.

It's a tough question because Eli has gotten better since his first Super Bowl win and he will forever have the play that we all remember. Possiblly one of the greatest plays from start to finish in 07. Peyton is a beast puts up great numbers and can read and react to defenses.

Honestly at this point it's a who do you like better question. Personally i think Peyton is a much better QB then Eli.

You mean cameras?

Monster Rain

No, he's not better than Peyton. He is, however, better than a lot of people thought he was. The fact that he's not as good as Peyton and plays in such a big market seems to have had a weird effect on how he's been perceived for most of his career. Some guys are overhyped because they play in NY, but he's actually under-rated because he's not Peyton and, as a result, his struggles are magnified because he wasn't living up to his Draft Day hype in the eyes of the NY media and some fans. Now that he's got 2 rings, that'll probably change.

DURP

JK_Livin wrote:

DURP wrote:

Slap upside the head wrote:

close call but there's no question they are both much better than Archie.

Aggred.

Eli has had better overall teams during his championship runs. The numbers don't show it this year defensivly for the Giants but the Giants were the better team.

Peyton has had some great teams but couldn't stop the Patriot machine when it was running on all cylinders.

It's a tough question because Eli has gotten better since his first Super Bowl win and he will forever have the play that we all remember. Possiblly one of the greatest plays from start to finish in 07. Peyton is a beast puts up great numbers and can read and react to defenses.

Honestly at this point it's a who do you like better question. Personally i think Peyton is a much better QB then Eli.

You mean cameras?

Yeah we can go with that. I'm over the spy gate drama it happened the Pats got a slap on the wrist and the NFL keeps rolling.

Like i tell my wife everyone loves and hates a winner in sports.

One thing people forget is Drew Bledsoe. Without him who knows if NE beats Pitt and goes on to win that first Super Bowl.

davidtrios

is eli a HOF?

mickeyrat

davidtrios wrote:

is eli a HOF?

if he IS , I'll plan a trip to go burn that place down. Mediocre QB AT BEST!!!!