Brady fucking cost them the game last night. Funny how people are overlooking that this morning. The safety and the interception were AWFUL decisions...and that pass to Welker was catchable, but still not that good. Funny he hasn't done much since they got caught taping practices. The first SB win is definitely a farce. Without the coaching and d that he's had he's probably ringless.
Brady had a few key bad judgments and plays. But the Welker ball could have been caught. Branch dropped 2 and the drop by Hernandez was 100% inexcusable. I am not saying Brady is without fault, but a lot of blame is to be had elsewhere.
Brady hasn't done much since Spygate? Sets the record, that very same season after the story broke, for touchdown passes in a season and brings his team within 1 game of perfection while having a pretty weak defense? Leads them to the SB 4 years later? That's "nothing"?
"he hasn't done much". I'm not saying he's not a great qb, I just think most people put him above Manning simply b/c the rings and I just don't agree. The Eli/Peyton topping is just a joke.
Brady went out for the season and the Patriots were still good. Cassell had a good year, got a big contract with KC and now isnt very good.
Manning goes down and the bottom completely falls out on Indy.
I also think Marino is very underrated due to not winning a Super Bowl. I hate that the Super Bowl is used to try to make something with so much gray area (QB greatness) into a black and white issue.
This is tough for me to decide because I'm a big fan of both. I'm a little bias choosing Eli, but it's very close.
I'd have to say Eli is more clutch. If I have a team and I'm down in the 4th quarter, I want Eli.
Also, Eli has a better postseason record than Peyton: Eli is 8-3 in his playoff career and Peyton is 9-10.
With Eli winning a second Super Bowl, it makes this topic and discussion even tougher to decide. Peyton has played what, 4 or 5 more seasons than Eli? Eli is in his prime right now. He had his best season of his career so far this season.
Eli is ELIte!
Can the same question be asked if he's better than Brees and Rodgers?
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Can the same question be asked if he's better than Brees and Rodgers?
If you're saying he's that close to Peyton, then it doesn't need to be asked.
Ring wise, yes.
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by the way, why is bradshaw even in this discussion?
four , count em FOUR fucking SB rings. in FOUR count em FOUR appearances.
how many?
umm, i think its four. Terry Bradshaw and company had 4 shots at a title and came away with 4 count em FOUR rings. But it was a team sport then. You know , with both an offense of 11 guys on the field and a defense of 11 guys.
I'd like to see Brady play as quarterack in the same league that Rothlesberger plays in. Tou know, the one that allows cheap ass shots taken at the QB?
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It's all subjective. Is Eli better because Welker dropped a pass yesterday and Asante Samuel dropped an INT 4 years ago? If it's titles then Eli is better. If not, I say Peyton.
It is all subjective, Brady's 3 Superbowls are by a combined 7 or 8 points, mainly due to Vinateri being a clutch kicker. They won which is all that mattered but they didn't steam roll over anyone.
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The first SB win is definitely a farce. Without the coaching and d that he's had he's probably ringless.
Let's not forget he won all 3 without a big name receiver.
Don't forget to remember that he hasn't won any since his receiving corp has been the better of the 2.
OR since they got busted for spygate? So maybe it hasnt been about how good they acually are at playing the game straight up. Maybe it was about stolen signals/formations.
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Let's not forget he won all 3 without a big name receiver.
Don't forget to remember that he hasn't won any since his receiving corp has been the better of the 2.
OR since they got busted for spygate? So maybe it hasnt been about how good they acually are at playing the game straight up. Maybe it was about stolen signals/formations.
Again, since Spygate they have been in 2 Superbowls. That's pretty %$^&ing impressive.
(I am a Giants fan...don't lose sight of that)
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Peyton's biggest accomplishment is turning Indiana from a basketball-crazed state into a football-crazed state. Awards and stats pushed aside, if the Colt's drafted Ryan Leaf, they would be playing in L.A. right now ... and I would be surrounded by Bears fans.
I'll take having a NFL team over a failed post-season run any day of the week. Hopefully, I still get to see him suit up for the Colts next year, but if not, it's been a privilege to watch him play.
Peyton's biggest accomplishment is turning Indiana from a basketball-crazed state into a football-crazed state. Awards and stats pushed aside, if the Colt's drafted Ryan Leaf, they would be playing in L.A. right now ... and I would be surrounded by Bears fans.
I'll take having a NFL team over a failed post-season run any day of the week. Hopefully, I still get to see him suit up for the Colts next year, but if not, it's been a privilege to watch him play.
As a big football fan, and someone who had him as his starting FF QB more than once, yes.....he has been amazing to watch.
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just looked back at the box score for the ravens/giants game....oh my god...had to be one of the worst games ever.
Yes it was.
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"he hasn't done much". I'm not saying he's not a great qb, I just think most people put him above Manning simply b/c the rings and I just don't agree. The Eli/Peyton topping is just a joke.
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Manning goes down and the bottom completely falls out on Indy.
I also think Marino is very underrated due to not winning a Super Bowl. I hate that the Super Bowl is used to try to make something with so much gray area (QB greatness) into a black and white issue.
If Brady puts it on his numbers their chances were certainly better.
i don't know that. it's not like it was a dropped TD. they would have been in better shape
I'd have to say Eli is more clutch. If I have a team and I'm down in the 4th quarter, I want Eli.
Also, Eli has a better postseason record than Peyton: Eli is 8-3 in his playoff career and Peyton is 9-10.
With Eli winning a second Super Bowl, it makes this topic and discussion even tougher to decide. Peyton has played what, 4 or 5 more seasons than Eli? Eli is in his prime right now. He had his best season of his career so far this season.
Eli is ELIte!
Can the same question be asked if he's better than Brees and Rodgers?
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it wasn't a perfect pass but it was absolutely a catchable ball. one that must be made in that situation.
I just found this picture, does anyone know what year it's from?
it would have given them a first down, in field goal range, already up 2 with 4 minutes to go.
If they still let the defense hit the QB then there might be a valid arguement that one of these 21st century QBs is as good as Montana or Bradshaw.
hmm..i was thinking a drop on teh last drive....but yeah...make a catch...run some clock...kick a fg...win.
either way...glad he dropped it.
agreed. he was a fine qb, but he had a killer D and a run game. he's like a trent dilfer with multiple blessings.
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the trent dilfer thing is spot on. its like trent dilfer qb'ing that ravens team before the free agency age.
...well not quite, but i think we're on the same page
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how many?
I'd like to see Brady play as quarterack in the same league that Rothlesberger plays in. Tou know, the one that allows cheap ass shots taken at the QB?
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Let's not forget he won all 3 without a big name receiver.
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It is all subjective, Brady's 3 Superbowls are by a combined 7 or 8 points, mainly due to Vinateri being a clutch kicker. They won which is all that mattered but they didn't steam roll over anyone.
just looked back at the box score for the ravens/giants game....oh my god...had to be one of the worst games ever.
Don't forget to remember that he hasn't won any since his receiving corp has been the better of the 2.
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Again, since Spygate they have been in 2 Superbowls. That's pretty %$^&ing impressive.
(I am a Giants fan...don't lose sight of that)
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I'll take having a NFL team over a failed post-season run any day of the week.
As a big football fan, and someone who had him as his starting FF QB more than once, yes.....he has been amazing to watch.
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