So is Eli better than Peyton?

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  • davidtrios
    davidtrios Posts: 9,732
    DS1119 wrote:
    Jamminonthe1 wrote:
    PS: I had leftover wings for breakfast to celebrate this victory!


    That's hardcore. :lol:


    ive done that too (wings for bfast) :shifty:
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    BinFrog wrote:
    81 wrote:
    Cool Joe has to be the best ever? right?


    I think so, yeah.
    I think Marino's appearance in Ace Venture gives him the slight edge. :D
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  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    def. more clutch
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    BinFrog wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    Marino had amazing stats and never won the big one. He's an all-timer for sure, but not the greatest ever or even in the top 3-4.
    Marino's got nothing on Trent Dilfer! ;)


    There are always going to be examples of mediocre QB's winning the big one. it's most definitely a team thing for sure, don't get me wrong. I'm not going to say that the Hos winning in '90 puts him in the elite club.

    But for a QB to be even considered as one of the all time greats (I'm talking top 3-4), he has to have won the big one, and preferably more than one, along with putting up huge numbers.

    I just don't see Peyton in the same class as Brady and Montana and even Bradshaw. He's oh so close, but he lost the SB twice and choked in several key games. Brady lost 2 SBs, but won 3 and had a great stretch where he WAS the clutch QB in the league.

    Brady fucking cost them the game last night. Funny how people are overlooking that this morning. The safety and the interception were AWFUL decisions...and that pass to Welker was catchable, but still not that good. Funny he hasn't done much since they got caught taping practices. The first SB win is definitely a farce. Without the coaching and d that he's had he's probably ringless.

    Manning has a SB title and got edged out by a team of destiny in another. Pretty sure he has the most 4th quarter game winning drives and come from behinds in the 4th quarter. Most of his big losses came down to a huge lack of a running game and defense that couldn't get the ball back, not to mention the epic coaching blunder last year against the Jets. He had a couple epically bad games but he's lifted that team out of deserved losses much more often than the few games that he's cost them.
  • shep
    shep Houston Posts: 5,901
    BinFrog wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    Marino had amazing stats and never won the big one. He's an all-timer for sure, but not the greatest ever or even in the top 3-4.
    Marino's got nothing on Trent Dilfer! ;)


    There are always going to be examples of mediocre QB's winning the big one. it's most definitely a team thing for sure, don't get me wrong. I'm not going to say that the Hos winning in '90 puts him in the elite club.

    But for a QB to be even considered as one of the all time greats (I'm talking top 3-4), he has to have won the big one, and preferably more than one, along with putting up huge numbers.

    I just don't see Peyton in the same class as Brady and Montana and even Bradshaw. He's oh so close, but he lost the SB twice and choked in several key games. Brady lost 2 SBs, but won 3 and had a great stretch where he WAS the clutch QB in the league.

    I find it funny that you say it's a team thing, and then proceed to talk about Peyton not being a considered an "all-time-great".

    The fact that his team went from 10-6 record and winning their division to a 3-13 record and not being a factor at any point during the season says that while it is a team game, a single great player can make a team great.

    That being said, I am kind of disgusted that Eli's win last night makes this conversation even come up. Myself and my friends were having this discussion all day yesterday, and there's no way that Eli is even in the same class of quarterback as Peyton. You could interchange almost any reasonable quarterback and the giants would be the same team... not the colts.

    The fact that the Patriots beat themselves last night with dropped balls and the Giants catching all the bounces (i.e. recovering 2 of their own fumbles), which in turn caused the Giants to win the game does not make Eli an "all-time-great"... however there will be plenty that make this arguement.

    Remember all that talk last off-season about the "dynasty" in Green Bay? Well, here we go again....

    Me? I'm going to try and ignore it and get lost in the hockey season.... unfortunately the only brightspot I have this year is Carey Price... :(
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  • cowboypjfan
    cowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    NO and he never will be. Peyton is an Offensive Coordinator AND qb. There is no comparison here. Eli did have a great year this season but he is noone near as good as his older brother...
  • Jason P
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    shep wrote:
    The fact that his team went from 10-6 record and winning their division to a 3-13 record and not being a factor at any point during the season says that while it is a team game, a single great player can make a team great.
    correction ... 2 - 14 :(
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  • BinFrog
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    DewieCox wrote:
    Brady fucking cost them the game last night. Funny how people are overlooking that this morning. The safety and the interception were AWFUL decisions...and that pass to Welker was catchable, but still not that good. Funny he hasn't done much since they got caught taping practices. The first SB win is definitely a farce. Without the coaching and d that he's had he's probably ringless.


    Brady had a few key bad judgments and plays. But the Welker ball could have been caught. Branch dropped 2 and the drop by Hernandez was 100% inexcusable. I am not saying Brady is without fault, but a lot of blame is to be had elsewhere.

    Brady hasn't done much since Spygate? Sets the record, that very same season after the story broke, for touchdown passes in a season and brings his team within 1 game of perfection while having a pretty weak defense? Leads them to the SB 4 years later? That's "nothing"?
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  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    81 wrote:
    Peyton lost two?
    Peyton lost 1. Went to the Super Bowl twice.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    let's be honest, if welker catches that ball, the pats win last night...
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  • DewieCox
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    BinFrog wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    Brady fucking cost them the game last night. Funny how people are overlooking that this morning. The safety and the interception were AWFUL decisions...and that pass to Welker was catchable, but still not that good. Funny he hasn't done much since they got caught taping practices. The first SB win is definitely a farce. Without the coaching and d that he's had he's probably ringless.


    Brady had a few key bad judgments and plays. But the Welker ball could have been caught. Branch dropped 2 and the drop by Hernandez was 100% inexcusable. I am not saying Brady is without fault, but a lot of blame is to be had elsewhere.

    Brady hasn't done much since Spygate? Sets the record, that very same season after the story broke, for touchdown passes in a season and brings his team within 1 game of perfection while having a pretty weak defense? Leads them to the SB 4 years later? That's "nothing"?

    "he hasn't done much". I'm not saying he's not a great qb, I just think most people put him above Manning simply b/c the rings and I just don't agree. The Eli/Peyton topping is just a joke.
  • JK_Livin
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    The Juggler wrote:
    let's be honest, if welker catches that ball, the pats win last night...
    and if Ronnie Brown doesn't throw that backwards pass :lol:
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,862
    Brady went out for the season and the Patriots were still good. Cassell had a good year, got a big contract with KC and now isnt very good.

    Manning goes down and the bottom completely falls out on Indy.

    I also think Marino is very underrated due to not winning a Super Bowl. I hate that the Super Bowl is used to try to make something with so much gray area (QB greatness) into a black and white issue.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    The Juggler wrote:
    let's be honest, if welker catches that ball, the pats win last night...

    If Brady puts it on his numbers their chances were certainly better.
  • 81
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    The Juggler wrote:
    let's be honest, if welker catches that ball, the pats win last night...

    i don't know that. it's not like it was a dropped TD. they would have been in better shape
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  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    This is tough for me to decide because I'm a big fan of both. I'm a little bias choosing Eli, but it's very close.

    I'd have to say Eli is more clutch. If I have a team and I'm down in the 4th quarter, I want Eli.

    Also, Eli has a better postseason record than Peyton: Eli is 8-3 in his playoff career and Peyton is 9-10.

    With Eli winning a second Super Bowl, it makes this topic and discussion even tougher to decide. Peyton has played what, 4 or 5 more seasons than Eli? Eli is in his prime right now. He had his best season of his career so far this season.

    Eli is ELIte!

    Can the same question be asked if he's better than Brees and Rodgers?
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  • The Juggler
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    DewieCox wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    let's be honest, if welker catches that ball, the pats win last night...

    If Brady puts it on his numbers their chances were certainly better.

    it wasn't a perfect pass but it was absolutely a catchable ball. one that must be made in that situation.
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  • BinauralJam
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    I just found this picture, does anyone know what year it's from?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    81 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    let's be honest, if welker catches that ball, the pats win last night...

    i don't know that. it's not like it was a dropped TD. they would have been in better shape

    it would have given them a first down, in field goal range, already up 2 with 4 minutes to go.
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  • Horos
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    The Juggler wrote:
    81 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    let's be honest, if welker catches that ball, the pats win last night...

    i don't know that. it's not like it was a dropped TD. they would have been in better shape

    it would have given them a first down, in field goal range, already up 2 with 4 minutes to go.
    if, if, if, if ,if

    If they still let the defense hit the QB then there might be a valid arguement that one of these 21st century QBs is as good as Montana or Bradshaw.
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