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So is Eli better than Peyton?
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Now that he is a 2 time SB/MVP winner. Granted Peyton has more time in the league and holds more records but would you consider Eli better because of his championships?
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Tom O.
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much better to judge when both of their careers are over.
one thing you can say about eli, is he is much more of a clutch qb than his brother. i don't think there is any doubt about that.
Better in the clutch and a better competitor in the regular season AND post-season? Absolutely.
A lot of quarterbacks can put up huge numbers. Not many (if any, excpet maybe Brady) can throw a pass in the clutch like Eli did to Manningham in the 4th quarter last night with the game on the line.
Right now I would choose Eli over any quarterback if my team is down in the 4th quarter. Especially in the playoffs. A healthy Peyton would maybe make it to my top 5-6.
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I'll 2nd this. As a long time Giants fan, I was not sold on Eli for several years when he first came to NY. I thought he was immature and horrible under pressure. He's really matured into a great QB and he seems like a decent guy.
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I know the point is to win championships, but in the NFL it's the best TEAM that wins.
I still think P. Manning is the best QB ever.
For QBs, way too much stock is put into SB wins IMO.
Tom O.
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not sure i would go best ever...defiantly near the top
Right on, but Eli has been the man in the clutch. He puts the ball where his receivers can make spectacular plays and boy have they come through. I have no doubt Peyton would trade all of his stats for a second Super Bowl title that is never going to come for him, while Eli is young enough and good enough to win a third if the Giants continue to draft well on defense and reestablish the running game. Go Big Blue!
PS: I had leftover wings for breakfast to celebrate this victory!
He's easily a top 5 of all time in many categories. Heck, even overall I think it's safe to put him up there without question. But he lacks that killer instinct and clutchness in key games that he needs to be called the best ever.
Marino had amazing stats and never won the big one. He's an all-timer for sure, but not the greatest ever or even in the top 3-4.
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That's hardcore.
There are always going to be examples of mediocre QB's winning the big one. it's most definitely a team thing for sure, don't get me wrong. I'm not going to say that the Hos winning in '90 puts him in the elite club.
But for a QB to be even considered as one of the all time greats (I'm talking top 3-4), he has to have won the big one, and preferably more than one, along with putting up huge numbers.
I just don't see Peyton in the same class as Brady and Montana and even Bradshaw. He's oh so close, but he lost the SB twice and choked in several key games. Brady lost 2 SBs, but won 3 and had a great stretch where he WAS the clutch QB in the league.
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Cool Joe has to be the best ever? right?
I think so, yeah.
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ive done that too (wings for bfast) :shifty:
Brady fucking cost them the game last night. Funny how people are overlooking that this morning. The safety and the interception were AWFUL decisions...and that pass to Welker was catchable, but still not that good. Funny he hasn't done much since they got caught taping practices. The first SB win is definitely a farce. Without the coaching and d that he's had he's probably ringless.
Manning has a SB title and got edged out by a team of destiny in another. Pretty sure he has the most 4th quarter game winning drives and come from behinds in the 4th quarter. Most of his big losses came down to a huge lack of a running game and defense that couldn't get the ball back, not to mention the epic coaching blunder last year against the Jets. He had a couple epically bad games but he's lifted that team out of deserved losses much more often than the few games that he's cost them.
I find it funny that you say it's a team thing, and then proceed to talk about Peyton not being a considered an "all-time-great".
The fact that his team went from 10-6 record and winning their division to a 3-13 record and not being a factor at any point during the season says that while it is a team game, a single great player can make a team great.
That being said, I am kind of disgusted that Eli's win last night makes this conversation even come up. Myself and my friends were having this discussion all day yesterday, and there's no way that Eli is even in the same class of quarterback as Peyton. You could interchange almost any reasonable quarterback and the giants would be the same team... not the colts.
The fact that the Patriots beat themselves last night with dropped balls and the Giants catching all the bounces (i.e. recovering 2 of their own fumbles), which in turn caused the Giants to win the game does not make Eli an "all-time-great"... however there will be plenty that make this arguement.
Remember all that talk last off-season about the "dynasty" in Green Bay? Well, here we go again....
Me? I'm going to try and ignore it and get lost in the hockey season.... unfortunately the only brightspot I have this year is Carey Price... :(
Brady had a few key bad judgments and plays. But the Welker ball could have been caught. Branch dropped 2 and the drop by Hernandez was 100% inexcusable. I am not saying Brady is without fault, but a lot of blame is to be had elsewhere.
Brady hasn't done much since Spygate? Sets the record, that very same season after the story broke, for touchdown passes in a season and brings his team within 1 game of perfection while having a pretty weak defense? Leads them to the SB 4 years later? That's "nothing"?
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