Here's a little more on the Carroll thing. He says he feels bad about it, and that it had been installed in the gameplan ahead of time. Watching film they saw holes in Buffalo's punt coverage and inserted the fake punt in at that point. Carroll says he could have taken it out of the gameplan once they went up but didn't. It also explains that Carroll didn't actually "call" it, safety Chris Maragos did. The gameplan was that if Maragos saw the Bills in that coverage he could audible to the fake, and he saw them in the coverage and called the audible himself.
I really don't give two shits about Pete, but this sounds like kind of a non-story. Or at least as far as Pete is concerned.
In the Patriots 4 losses this season (3 to the NFC West and 1 to pre-decimated Baltimore) Tom Brady was sacked 10 times, and threw 5 TDs and 5 INTs. Against everyone else (including juggernauts like the Bills, Dolphins, Jets) he threw 26 TDs and 3 INTs....hmmm. And Bill Simmons is asking who Peyton Manning has beat this year to earn accolades as a top QB. On a related note it was really fun to watch the Pats get treated like a pouting kid brother yesterday.
brady looked like someone took his favorite toy away from him when SF called that TO before he got the snap off.
I love the way that SF team plays
I like SF a lot, but their offense like that of Washington, New England, and Seattle is largely based on gimmicks (SF is the least offender of this with Frank Gore as RB but Kaepernick can run real hot and real cold). You can win a lot of games against crappy defenses with trickery, 5' 5" rbs and 5' 8" WRs and all four of those teams have. However, when none of those guys can get open (see: New England last night when the 9ers decided to go man-to-man for the first 2+ quarters, then when the game was on the line) it makes things real hard - even for a qb like Brady. He had to make about 4 perfect throws to Branch/Welker/Hernandez to get anything done last night.
On a side note, I saw two games yesterday where Personal Fouls for helmet to helmet or hand to helmet contact seemed to directly turn the game in the offending teams favor. In the first Demarcus Ware smacked Big Ben in the head on the Steelers last drive of regulation (while being held with no call - Pittsburgh actually didn't commit a penalty in the whole game but that's another story) that was followed by two Cowboy sacks, some drama, then overtime Ben throws a pick on the second play. Ben didn't play particularly poorly in the game, but that throw was off by a lot. Then in the night game some 49er safety blasted Hernandez in the head over the middle when the game was 17/24-3. On the next play or two plays later, Brady tosses the ball left to Hernandez who freaks out and bobbles the ball to A. Smith for a pick. On top of that a few weeks ago smoking Jay Cutler got concussed and threw a couple bad balls before halftime. In light of bountygate, is there any chance we get "headgate" where some coach figures this out and tries pushing hits to the head regardless of the consequence in hopes of knocking the other teams best players loopy?
big difference between being 'gimmicky' and creative. the jets are a team that relies on gimmicks. SF has a ton of weapons on offense. gore, james, davis, crabtree (healthy this year...he wasn't in playoffs last year), moss, manningham, walker, ginn. They are loaded...and greg roman is a great playcaller.
I like alex smith more than most, but kaepernick is better. Loved betting on him while he was at nevada. Dude has put on a ton of weight. They have to be the SB favorites at this point IMO. As long as they can catch punts and find a competent, non-choking kicker (akers was infamous for missing big playoff kicks during his time in philly) I think they are gonna win it all.
They have to be the SB favorites at this point IMO. As long as they can catch punts I think they are gonna win it all.
And not blow 28 point leads.
definitely a weird game. still a nice road win. they were clearly the better team last night
I almost changed the channel when SF went up 31-3, I thought it was over. Glad I didn't. Al Michaels said something funny right before NE tried that last onside kick. This might not be word for word, but he was explaining how NE could get the ball back, etc, etc, and it was something like "...so don't touch that dial. Of course if you're still with us to this point...you're not going anywhere".
SF was the better team. And you can kind of forgive them on giving up that lead because it was Brady. But hell, they could conceivably face Brady in a Super Bowl, so their D might want to look into that.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
I almost changed the channel when SF went up 31-3, I thought it was over. Glad I didn't. Al Michaels said something funny right before NE tried that last onside kick. This might not be word for word, but he was explaining how NE could get the ball back, etc, etc, and it was something like "...so don't touch that dial. Of course if you're still with us to this point...you're not going anywhere".
SF was the better team. And you can kind of forgive them on giving up that lead because it was Brady. But hell, they could conceivably face Brady in a Super Bowl, so their D might want to look into that.
michaels and collinsworth are fantastic. I had money on the over, so I was still watching when he said that.
SF's defense is still among the best in the NFL. I think they are the most complete NFL team, which is why I think they will win it all. They have to replace akers though...he's awful enough to lose them a playoff game.
I know everyone gets enamored with brady's stats, but like RW said, look who he's done it against. He is certainly capable of winning another SB, but it's gonna be tough with that defense, which pretty much blows
28 point leads are easy to blow when you are going to play a zone against Tawwmy boy, and your offense decides it can't even get a first down for a quarter in order to ice the game. What impressed me most was that when it seemed like San Fran was "trying" they kicked the living shit out of New England physically. That usually only happens when they play the Giants.
As for gimmicky/creativity...all I meant by that was that it is easy to look really good when teams can't match up with you. As soon as they do (New England vs. AZ/Sea/SF/Bal) they have a much tougher time scoring. The 31 from last night doesn't strike me as an indicator for a full game in the Super Bowl against San Fran. Particularly (if they still are healthy and only playing 12) because during the Super Bowl you get MASSIVE rest breaks that overwhelmingly goes against New England on offense which tries to pull an NFL-Oregon and try wearing everyone out.
28 point leads are easy to blow when you are going to play a zone against Tawwmy boy, and your offense decides it can't even get a first down for a quarter in order to ice the game. What impressed me most was that when it seemed like San Fran was "trying" they kicked the living shit out of New England physically. That usually only happens when they play the Giants.
As for gimmicky/creativity...all I meant by that was that it is easy to look really good when teams can't match up with you. As soon as they do (New England vs. AZ/Sea/SF/Bal) they have a much tougher time scoring. The 31 from last night doesn't strike me as an indicator for a full game in the Super Bowl against San Fran. Particularly (if they still are healthy and only playing 12) because during the Super Bowl you get MASSIVE rest breaks that overwhelmingly goes against New England on offense which tries to pull an NFL-Oregon and try wearing everyone out.
here are brady's numbers vs denver (4th ranked defense in league, 4th in points allowed)
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 23/31 223 7.2 1 0 4-30 82.1 104.
here are brady's numbers vs houston (7th ranked defense in league, 6th in points allowed)
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 21/35 296 8.5 4 0 1-7 95.6 125.4
here is his game vs the ravens that you mentioned (despite struggles, still 10th in pts allowed):
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 28/41 335 8.2 1 0 2-16 86.0 101.2
you're not implying that tom brady only plays well against inferior opponets are you? come on rw. yes he struggled in the pats losses, but had 2 of his best games against 2 of the league's best defenses in the league and also played very well in the other game you mentioned.
Ha ... I was all poised to respond to RW's post, then just deleted it. Glad to see others stepped in.
New England's offense a gimmick??? They've been doing it for a freakin' decade ...
While some points are valid (Pats are no world beaters against some great defenses) ... they got caught being sloppy with the ball. Good defense, hit hard in wet conditions, fumbles ... loss.
Brady still has a 30 - 6 TD to INT ratio ... his INT % is the lowest in the league.
But that must be the gimmick at work.
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"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
oh, and one other thing lost in the SF/NE game ... one of the game balls should go to Andy Lee, the 49ers punter.
In those conditions he averaged over 55 yards on 5 punts, putting the Pats deep in their own territory (inside 20 three times) and limiting Welker to about 2 yards per return.
That was *huge*.
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"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I'm starting to hate fantasy football. Without it, I wouldn't feel compelled to watch this horseshit MNF game
Wanna hear something really bad? I don't even play fantasy football, yet I'm still watching this horseshit MNF game. :oops:
And I'm a fan of neither team. Though I do get a kick out of seeing Rex (and Rob for that matter) lose. If the Jets win, then this will all be for nothing.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
Is ESPN's love affair with Tebow over? Tirico and Gruden are sure letting him have it, blaming him for killing the Jets "momentum" (the momentum from a field goal?) and just tearing apart that series.
I guess they have RG3 now and Tebow is yesterday's news. I was expecting them to freak out when Tebow took the field, but really all they did was compare him to RG3 (in that they feel RG3 is better) and talk shit.
What a difference a year makes, last year I remember watching a MNF game where Gruden wouldn't shut up about Tebow, was showing highlight packages, etc. And by the way, it wasn't a Broncos game. Now Gruden acts like Tebow ate the last slice or something.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
Is ESPN's love affair with Tebow over? Tirico and Gruden are sure letting him have it, blaming him for killing the Jets "momentum" (the momentum from a field goal?) and just tearing apart that series.
I guess they have RG3 now and Tebow is yesterday's news. I was expecting them to freak out when Tebow took the field, but really all they did was compare him to RG3 (in that they feel RG3 is better) and talk shit.
What a difference a year makes, last year I remember watching a MNF game where Gruden wouldn't shut up about Tebow, was showing highlight packages, etc. And by the way, it wasn't a Broncos game. Now Gruden acts like Tebow ate the last slice or something.
Is ESPN's love affair with Tebow over? Tirico and Gruden are sure letting him have it, blaming him for killing the Jets "momentum" (the momentum from a field goal?) and just tearing apart that series.
I guess they have RG3 now and Tebow is yesterday's news. I was expecting them to freak out when Tebow took the field, but really all they did was compare him to RG3 (in that they feel RG3 is better) and talk shit.
What a difference a year makes, last year I remember watching a MNF game where Gruden wouldn't shut up about Tebow, was showing highlight packages, etc. And by the way, it wasn't a Broncos game. Now Gruden acts like Tebow ate the last slice or something.
Interesting. I had read the Gottlieb story a while back, and found the "you can't talk enough Tebow" thing pretty funny. Interesting to see that the President and VP of ESPN are now owning up to it and admitting they didn't handle it all that well.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
how, i mean why, is Mark Sanchez still playing QB for the Jets? :? :fp:
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9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
how, i mean why, is Mark Sanchez still playing QB for the Jets? :? :fp:
Because Teblow is his backup, and he came in for a series earlier and looked like shit.
On a side note, from now on whenever I have to take a dump, I'm going to say "I have to go take a Gruden Grinder".
They should start their 3rd string QB. I forget dude's name, but he looked good last time he played when Sanchez got hurt.
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
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Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
28 point leads are easy to blow when you are going to play a zone against Tawwmy boy, and your offense decides it can't even get a first down for a quarter in order to ice the game. What impressed me most was that when it seemed like San Fran was "trying" they kicked the living shit out of New England physically. That usually only happens when they play the Giants.
As for gimmicky/creativity...all I meant by that was that it is easy to look really good when teams can't match up with you. As soon as they do (New England vs. AZ/Sea/SF/Bal) they have a much tougher time scoring. The 31 from last night doesn't strike me as an indicator for a full game in the Super Bowl against San Fran. Particularly (if they still are healthy and only playing 12) because during the Super Bowl you get MASSIVE rest breaks that overwhelmingly goes against New England on offense which tries to pull an NFL-Oregon and try wearing everyone out.
here are brady's numbers vs denver (4th ranked defense in league, 4th in points allowed)
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 23/31 223 7.2 1 0 4-30 82.1 104.
here are brady's numbers vs houston (7th ranked defense in league, 6th in points allowed)
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 21/35 296 8.5 4 0 1-7 95.6 125.4
here is his game vs the ravens that you mentioned (despite struggles, still 10th in pts allowed):
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 28/41 335 8.2 1 0 2-16 86.0 101.2
you're not implying that tom brady only plays well against inferior opponets are you? come on rw. yes he struggled in the pats losses, but had 2 of his best games against 2 of the league's best defenses in the league and also played very well in the other game you mentioned.
All three of those teams you pointed out are from the AFC...inferior conference putting up numbers against inferior teams. Plus the HOU defense was on their 7th, 8th, and 9th string LBs by then. No Tom Brady doesn't only play well against bad teams, he's a pretty awesome QB. He's been excellent for a LONG time, and I'm not doubting that. Plus I said he made some sick throws last night. It's just that whenever it mattered last night, and against SEA and AZ (teams with defenses that can cover up his guys with 4 down rushers) he hasn't been so hot. Yes NE offense has been a gimmick offense since they got Randy Moss and had the old throw it up for a miracle play for him to reach back for. Before that they ran clock killin' Corey Dillon and basically took the pressure off of Brady late in many cases, and before that they had Adam Vinateri to kick field goals to make up for stalled drives now they go for it on 4th downs. Unfortunately for them w/o Gronk (the new Corey Dillion) it all revolves around his little guys getting open, and it works A FUCKING LOT (as someone married into a Pats loving fam I know more than most).
Given all of this, my main contention with the Pats and Brady is that we are all for questioning the Schaubs, Matty Ices, Paytons, and others of that ilk but he always gets a pass. I'm already thinking that another Super Bowl loss puts him in the rare George W. air of being both a step away from having the most love in the world (4 SB wins) and the most hate in the world (4 SB losses). Of course getting to that many title games speaks to his abilities and I'd love having him on my team. It's just weird that he doesn't get critiqued for this.
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Sorry Juggler, I didn't see your post.
Not yet...but the time may be coming soon.
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big difference between being 'gimmicky' and creative. the jets are a team that relies on gimmicks. SF has a ton of weapons on offense. gore, james, davis, crabtree (healthy this year...he wasn't in playoffs last year), moss, manningham, walker, ginn. They are loaded...and greg roman is a great playcaller.
I like alex smith more than most, but kaepernick is better. Loved betting on him while he was at nevada. Dude has put on a ton of weight. They have to be the SB favorites at this point IMO. As long as they can catch punts and find a competent, non-choking kicker (akers was infamous for missing big playoff kicks during his time in philly) I think they are gonna win it all.
And not blow 28 point leads.
definitely a weird game. still a nice road win. they were clearly the better team last night
I almost changed the channel when SF went up 31-3, I thought it was over. Glad I didn't. Al Michaels said something funny right before NE tried that last onside kick. This might not be word for word, but he was explaining how NE could get the ball back, etc, etc, and it was something like "...so don't touch that dial. Of course if you're still with us to this point...you're not going anywhere".
SF was the better team. And you can kind of forgive them on giving up that lead because it was Brady. But hell, they could conceivably face Brady in a Super Bowl, so their D might want to look into that.
michaels and collinsworth are fantastic. I had money on the over, so I was still watching when he said that.
SF's defense is still among the best in the NFL. I think they are the most complete NFL team, which is why I think they will win it all. They have to replace akers though...he's awful enough to lose them a playoff game.
I know everyone gets enamored with brady's stats, but like RW said, look who he's done it against. He is certainly capable of winning another SB, but it's gonna be tough with that defense, which pretty much blows
As for gimmicky/creativity...all I meant by that was that it is easy to look really good when teams can't match up with you. As soon as they do (New England vs. AZ/Sea/SF/Bal) they have a much tougher time scoring. The 31 from last night doesn't strike me as an indicator for a full game in the Super Bowl against San Fran. Particularly (if they still are healthy and only playing 12) because during the Super Bowl you get MASSIVE rest breaks that overwhelmingly goes against New England on offense which tries to pull an NFL-Oregon and try wearing everyone out.
here are brady's numbers vs denver (4th ranked defense in league, 4th in points allowed)
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 23/31 223 7.2 1 0 4-30 82.1 104.
here are brady's numbers vs houston (7th ranked defense in league, 6th in points allowed)
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 21/35 296 8.5 4 0 1-7 95.6 125.4
here is his game vs the ravens that you mentioned (despite struggles, still 10th in pts allowed):
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Brady 28/41 335 8.2 1 0 2-16 86.0 101.2
you're not implying that tom brady only plays well against inferior opponets are you? come on rw. yes he struggled in the pats losses, but had 2 of his best games against 2 of the league's best defenses in the league and also played very well in the other game you mentioned.
New England's offense a gimmick??? They've been doing it for a freakin' decade ...
While some points are valid (Pats are no world beaters against some great defenses) ... they got caught being sloppy with the ball. Good defense, hit hard in wet conditions, fumbles ... loss.
Brady still has a 30 - 6 TD to INT ratio ... his INT % is the lowest in the league.
But that must be the gimmick at work.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
In those conditions he averaged over 55 yards on 5 punts, putting the Pats deep in their own territory (inside 20 three times) and limiting Welker to about 2 yards per return.
That was *huge*.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Wanna hear something really bad? I don't even play fantasy football, yet I'm still watching this horseshit MNF game. :oops:
And I'm a fan of neither team. Though I do get a kick out of seeing Rex (and Rob for that matter) lose. If the Jets win, then this will all be for nothing.
and 94 yards later hopefully he made someone in Newtown smile
I guess they have RG3 now and Tebow is yesterday's news. I was expecting them to freak out when Tebow took the field, but really all they did was compare him to RG3 (in that they feel RG3 is better) and talk shit.
What a difference a year makes, last year I remember watching a MNF game where Gruden wouldn't shut up about Tebow, was showing highlight packages, etc. And by the way, it wasn't a Broncos game. Now Gruden acts like Tebow ate the last slice or something.
http://deadspin.com/5967232/espn-finall ... -very-well
Interesting. I had read the Gottlieb story a while back, and found the "you can't talk enough Tebow" thing pretty funny. Interesting to see that the President and VP of ESPN are now owning up to it and admitting they didn't handle it all that well.
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Because Teblow is his backup, and he came in for a series earlier and looked like shit.
On a side note, from now on whenever I have to take a dump, I'm going to say "I have to go take a Gruden Grinder".
They should start their 3rd string QB. I forget dude's name, but he looked good last time he played when Sanchez got hurt.
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
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9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
I forget his name too, they said it earlier though. I think he may have come in for one play or something earlier in the game.
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All three of those teams you pointed out are from the AFC...inferior conference putting up numbers against inferior teams. Plus the HOU defense was on their 7th, 8th, and 9th string LBs by then. No Tom Brady doesn't only play well against bad teams, he's a pretty awesome QB. He's been excellent for a LONG time, and I'm not doubting that. Plus I said he made some sick throws last night. It's just that whenever it mattered last night, and against SEA and AZ (teams with defenses that can cover up his guys with 4 down rushers) he hasn't been so hot. Yes NE offense has been a gimmick offense since they got Randy Moss and had the old throw it up for a miracle play for him to reach back for. Before that they ran clock killin' Corey Dillon and basically took the pressure off of Brady late in many cases, and before that they had Adam Vinateri to kick field goals to make up for stalled drives now they go for it on 4th downs. Unfortunately for them w/o Gronk (the new Corey Dillion) it all revolves around his little guys getting open, and it works A FUCKING LOT (as someone married into a Pats loving fam I know more than most).
Given all of this, my main contention with the Pats and Brady is that we are all for questioning the Schaubs, Matty Ices, Paytons, and others of that ilk but he always gets a pass. I'm already thinking that another Super Bowl loss puts him in the rare George W. air of being both a step away from having the most love in the world (4 SB wins) and the most hate in the world (4 SB losses). Of course getting to that many title games speaks to his abilities and I'd love having him on my team. It's just weird that he doesn't get critiqued for this.
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.