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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Only a cowboy fan could have hardcore proof that Dallas was going to win with the refs so blatantly in the bag as they were! =))
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,910
    The Juggler wrote: »
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote: »
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    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote: »
    The officials should not have picked the flag up after announcing the penalty. That was wrong. But picking up the flag did not cement the victory for Dallas. .

    Check the article I posted about how it affected Detroit's win percentage. The blown call/no flag on Dez is essentially the equivalent to game ending interception.


    It is what it is--this weekend of games coming up is one of the best sports weekends of the year. Can't wait

    I did check it out and it was interesting, but hardly concrete proof. Anything could have happened. They could have turned the ball over; Stafford could have taken big sack taking them out of field goal range and/or missed long field goal; Lions could have gotten penalties that moved them back, etc.
    Even bigger than the reversed call was the fact that the Lions decided to punt it on 4th and 1 and the ball sailed a whopping 10 feet. Why aren't we talking about that? Lions could have easily converted and kept the drive alive.

    But yes, I'm looking forward to the games, as well. I hate that it's only Tuesday!

    Dude. Come on. There is no such thing as concrete proof that any team will win until the clock strikes zero. But the Lions should have had a first down in the redzone, up 3 with like 7 minutes to go with an extremely high opportunity to end the game. That is the bottom line.

    It's pointless to reason with Cowboys fans over this. It's amazing how irrational people can be when it comes to their teams.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    The Juggler wrote: »
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    Well bad things can happen in the redzone, too. And look what they did on their final drive - they fumbled twice. They had an extremely high opportunity to end/win the game with 2:32 left.

    No they didn't. They needed to drive 80 yards for a game winning touchdown. The odds are not in your favor in that scenario at all. It is a difficult thing to do.

    Of course bad things can happen in the redzone. That's why there is no concrete proof, like you said earlier. But the odds of them winning in that situation would have been extremely high.

    Pretty sure Stafford has a few game winning drives under his belt. 2:32 is all any good QB needs to drive down the field. Sure it's not easy, but they do it all the time. Didn't the Lions score a fast TD on their opening drive? A couple of first downs followed by a 50 yard TD pass, wasn't it?

    Anyway, like I said earlier, blame the refs.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote: »
    The Juggler wrote: »
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote: »
    Well bad things can happen in the redzone, too. And look what they did on their final drive - they fumbled twice. They had an extremely high opportunity to end/win the game with 2:32 left.

    No they didn't. They needed to drive 80 yards for a game winning touchdown. The odds are not in your favor in that scenario at all. It is a difficult thing to do.

    Of course bad things can happen in the redzone. That's why there is no concrete proof, like you said earlier. But the odds of them winning in that situation would have been extremely high.

    Pretty sure Stafford has a few game winning drives under his belt. 2:32 is all any good QB needs to drive down the field. Sure it's not easy, but they do it all the time. Didn't the Lions score a fast TD on their opening drive? A couple of first downs followed by a 50 yard TD pass, wasn't it?

    Anyway, like I said earlier, blame the refs.

    "Sure it's not easy..." followed by you talking about how easy it is to complete an 80 yard, game winning touchdown drive, in a playoff game, on the road, for a team who hasn't won a playoff game in a million years.

    They do it all the time!
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    Actually sometimes it is easy, or at least they make it look easy. Are you denying that it doesn't happen a lot? Is it so rare to see a team go on a game-winning TD drive in the final 2+ minutes? It does happen all the time.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited January 2015
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote: »
    Actually sometimes it is easy, or at least they make it look easy. Are you denying that it doesn't happen a lot? Is it so rare to see a team go on a game-winning TD drive in the final 2+ minutes? It does happen all the time.

    Sure. If you're a hall of fame quarterback, you'll do it maybe 2 or 3 times in your ENTIRE career, if you're lucky. If you're Matt Stafford...probably never. Maybe once At some point?

    Here's the all time list of game winning drives in the playoffs. Note this also includes game winning field goals, which should (hopefully) further indicate how much more difficult and rare it is to obtain a game winning touchdown in the playoffs:

    http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXleadersXXgwd_career_playoffs.htm

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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    edited January 2015
    Actually Mathew Stafford has 22 game-winning drives with DET.

    He's number 15 on the list, for active QB's.

    pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm
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  • The Juggler
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    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote: »
    Actually Mathew Stafford has 22 game-winning drives with DET.

    He's number 15 on the list, for active QB's.

    pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm

    What's wrong with you, man?

    David Garrad is one spot ahead of him on that list. You know what David Garrad and Matt Stafford have in common? They've never done it in a playoff game because it's WAAAY harder to do it in the playoffs as the list I posted proved.

    Of Staffford's 17 heroic regular season game winning drives, you see how many of them came against playoff teams? ONE. Only one. It's a lot easier to beat the Cleveland's and Minnesota's of the world in September and October. But it is an entirely different universe once you step into the month of January. That's why it rarely happens in the playoffs.
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    Hey if Eli can do it twice against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, surely Mathew Stafford can do it once in the wildcard round, lol
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  • The Juggler
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    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote: »
    Hey if Eli can do it twice against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, surely Mathew Stafford can do it once in the wildcard round, lol

    Haha. Fair enough!
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote: »
    Hey if Eli can do it twice against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, surely Mathew Stafford can do it once in the wildcard round, lol

    The refs get credit for that comeback win, not Romo. My 2 cents! =))
  • Jason P
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    What is Jameis Winston's draft stock in the post-Ray Rice era?
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Jason P wrote: »
    What is Jameis Winston's draft stock in the post-Ray Rice era?

    Tampa Bays #1 choice.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    Jason P wrote: »
    What is Jameis Winston's draft stock in the post-Ray Rice era?

    Tampa Bays #1 choice.
    What if Mariota goes pro? Any GM with half a mind must see the risk of drafting Winston. Kid doesn't have his head screwed on right.
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  • CROJAM95
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    Jason P wrote: »
    What is Jameis Winston's draft stock in the post-Ray Rice era?

    top 10 for sure

    If he stays out of trouble he should be good

    Played in a pro offense, is a great competitor

    I hope im wrong on Mariota, but he has more bust potential to me. He needs the perfect scenario ( Eagles maybe 1 or 2 others) or I think he will have a difficult time adjusting

  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    CROJAM95 wrote: »
    Jason P wrote: »
    What is Jameis Winston's draft stock in the post-Ray Rice era?

    top 10 for sure

    If he stays out of trouble he should be good

    Played in a pro offense, is a great competitor

    I hope im wrong on Mariota, but he has more bust potential to me. He needs the perfect scenario ( Eagles maybe 1 or 2 others) or I think he will have a difficult time adjusting

    Wow, if I had to guess, I'd say FSU was your favorite college football team.

    Mariotta looks to be the most "NFL" ready QB since Luck.
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,829
    Most ready since Luck? Wow a whole (2) drafts ago, what a measuring stick.

    Winston without the baggage runs circles around Mariota... Plus he's more Luck-ish in his demeanor than Marcus. And also Luck & Winston played in very similar college offenses. Like I mentioned earlier, a lot of these qbs coming up need a good fit to be successful. Mariota will have trouble if the team that drafts him doesn't retrofit an offense for him. Jameis will ease into it more. Look at Kap this year. Why the 49ers went away from that pistol he ran in college, and had early NFLsuccess is beyond me. Also Jameis impressed me more this year than last. His numbers were down, more turnovers, a lot of ugly wins. Guess what... That's gonna help him more than wining by 40 every night, that's NFL football... Down n dirty.

    And FSU isn't my favorite team , I really don't have one...I live in the Northeast, there isnt a team up here worth my time... My alma mater is a small upstate NY college. I pay attention mainly to see who I'm watching the following year on Sunday's.
  • Wobbie
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    The Juggler wrote: »
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    Hey if Eli can do it twice against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, surely Mathew Stafford can do it once in the wildcard round, lol

    Haha. Fair enough!

    OMG.....did the juggler finally let it go???????

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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    CROJAM95 wrote: »
    Most ready since Luck? Wow a whole (2) drafts ago, what a measuring stick.

    Winston without the baggage runs circles around Mariota... Plus he's more Luck-ish in his demeanor than Marcus. And also Luck & Winston played in very similar college offenses. Like I mentioned earlier, a lot of these qbs coming up need a good fit to be successful. Mariota will have trouble if the team that drafts him doesn't retrofit an offense for him. Jameis will ease into it more.

    Baggage is a big deal. Ask Ryan leaf. I'm not saying Winston will be a bust. I simply think mariotta is better. But I've been wrong before. I agree with you about being in the right "fit" for an offense. That plays a huge part in a young quarterbacks development.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    CROJAM95 wrote: »
    Most ready since Luck? Wow a whole (2) drafts ago, what a measuring stick.

    Winston without the baggage runs circles around Mariota... Plus he's more Luck-ish in his demeanor than Marcus. And also Luck & Winston played in very similar college offenses. Like I mentioned earlier, a lot of these qbs coming up need a good fit to be successful. Mariota will have trouble if the team that drafts him doesn't retrofit an offense for him. Jameis will ease into it more.

    Baggage is a big deal. Ask Ryan leaf. I'm not saying Winston will be a bust. I simply think mariotta is better. But I've been wrong before. I agree with you about being in the right "fit" for an offense. That plays a huge part in a young quarterbacks development.

    I don't believe Leaf had any "baggage" coming out of college. He was just an idiot. His legal issues occurred after his career went down in flames...I think
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