well since it's tough for poorer kids to afford football equipment there are a lot of upper-middle class white kids playing the game, but as they progress into lives that offer other opportunities besides sport interest in a game that takes 20 years off your life wanes it's pretty well documented.
That sums up my life. I had the skills to play outside linebacker for a Big Ten school and the Colts but decided the risks were not worth it. Of course, this was all decided after a secret meeting with the Royal Assembly of the Stonecutters.
i'm not saying it's some massive conspiracy to not play football, but, is it good or bad parenting if I try to persuade my son not to play football because he has parents that will (hopefully) be able to put him through college and get a job that doesn't put his life on the line? If I can't put him through college is it good or bad parenting to try to persuade him to play football because it could get him a scholarship to college and maybe make him millions? i understand that is very simplistic, but just as a starting point. Further, it's not like I'm making this scenario up look at the social class standing that most NFL players come from, or baseball players coming from the Dominican Republic, or UFC fighters, etc.
Why should it be gone? These guys know it's a dangerous game....they choose to play it. All these ridiculous articles being written make it sound like these guys are forced to play football.
i can't begin here...this demonstrates the general complete lack of understanding of class and cultural structures helping to define our lives.
Oh give me a fucking break. Class, cultural structure, blah fucking blah. Like the rest of society, you always have some sort of excuse or someone to blame. Sometimes you have to hold people accountable for their actions and decisions.
Why should it be gone? These guys know it's a dangerous game....they choose to play it. All these ridiculous articles being written make it sound like these guys are forced to play football.
i can't begin here...this demonstrates the general complete lack of understanding of class and cultural structures helping to define our lives.
Oh give me a fucking break. Class, cultural structure, blah fucking blah. Like the rest of society, you always have some sort of excuse or someone to blame. Sometimes you have to hold people accountable for their actions and decisions.
individuals make decisions based on several things....many times they make sense based on where they come from. do rich people (who are more often white based on a variety of historical things) have more of a range of decisions to make? do poor people (who are more often minorities) have less of a range of decisions to make? i mean this is pretty elementary stuff. of course if you don't like to think through an individual's context then it's easier to simply blame the individual and be done with it. of course seau and the 1199 other football players made a decision to play pro football, but was that their number 1 choice in life? if so why? if not, why did they decide to put their life on the line? to me that's far more interesting to think about that just me, man, me decide to do xyz.
individuals make decisions based on several things....many times they make sense based on where they come from. do rich people (who are more often white based on a variety of historical things) have more of a range of decisions to make? do poor people (who are more often minorities) have less of a range of decisions to make? i mean this is pretty elementary stuff. of course if you don't like to think through an individual's context then it's easier to simply blame the individual and be done with it. of course seau and the 1199 other football players made a decision to play pro football, but was that their number 1 choice in life? if so why? if not, why did they decide to put their life on the line? to me that's far more interesting to think about that just me, man, me decide to do xyz.
how many kids OR their parents for that matter actually understand the all the risks associated with some of these sports and there long term potential consequences??
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
individuals make decisions based on several things....many times they make sense based on where they come from. do rich people (who are more often white based on a variety of historical things) have more of a range of decisions to make? do poor people (who are more often minorities) have less of a range of decisions to make? i mean this is pretty elementary stuff. of course if you don't like to think through an individual's context then it's easier to simply blame the individual and be done with it. of course seau and the 1199 other football players made a decision to play pro football, but was that their number 1 choice in life? if so why? if not, why did they decide to put their life on the line? to me that's far more interesting to think about that just me, man, me decide to do xyz.
how many kids OR their parents for that matter actually understand the all the risks associated with some of these sports and there long term potential consequences??
only the white ones fully understand the risks.....
Did you know that Pop Warner football is safer than soccer? Pop Warner football has 12% fewer injuries per capita among 5-15 year olds than organized soccer in the same age range! (U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, NEISS)
individuals make decisions based on several things....many times they make sense based on where they come from. do rich people (who are more often white based on a variety of historical things) have more of a range of decisions to make? do poor people (who are more often minorities) have less of a range of decisions to make? i mean this is pretty elementary stuff. of course if you don't like to think through an individual's context then it's easier to simply blame the individual and be done with it. of course seau and the 1199 other football players made a decision to play pro football, but was that their number 1 choice in life? if so why? if not, why did they decide to put their life on the line? to me that's far more interesting to think about that just me, man, me decide to do xyz.
how many kids OR their parents for that matter actually understand the all the risks associated with some of these sports and there long term potential consequences??
many probably know the risks - especially as they get into college and they start classes that focus on that. how many care though? or think that it won't happen to them? or literally can't afford to care? 81 is really saving white people today.
I guess we could all just sit in classrooms all day long and get educated about the dangers and risks of everything that may be involved with life and by the time the final bell rings we would just about be ready for the retirement home.
what is the racial and class make up of those playing again?
In high school or the NFL? Does "the man" have something against middle-upper class white dudes?
Also, did you ever play high school football?
well since it's tough for poorer kids to afford football equipment there are a lot of upper-middle class white kids playing the game, but as they progress into lives that offer other opportunities besides sport interest in a game that takes 20 years off your life wanes it's pretty well documented. no i did not play high school football, i played baseball at the collegiate level, golf and basketball in high school. i'm not sure if that means i am not allowed to speak on the subject of people dying too young because they play a sport.
the kids who cant afford the equipment will play anyway affording a higher likelyhood for injury. Who in thos thread hasnt played tackle football in the backyard or somewhere else without gear?
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
i'm not saying it's some massive conspiracy to not play football, but, is it good or bad parenting if I try to persuade my son not to play football because he has parents that will (hopefully) be able to put him through college and get a job that doesn't put his life on the line? If I can't put him through college is it good or bad parenting to try to persuade him to play football because it could get him a scholarship to college and maybe make him millions? i understand that is very simplistic, but just as a starting point. Further, it's not like I'm making this scenario up look at the social class standing that most NFL players come from, or baseball players coming from the Dominican Republic, or UFC fighters, etc.
If you are well off, extra-curricular sports should supported if the child has an interest in it.
If you can't put your kids through college, then you should be encouraging them to get good grades so that grants and scholarships are available. That is what a responsible parent would do. Telling your kid the only shot they have is if they can play football, basketball, or baseball is probably the dumbest thing you can do with the exception of buying them lottery tickets.
Also, there are tons of poor white people. The middle class is pretty much gone the way of the dodo according to you, so what gives???? I imagine a majority of those working in manufacturing and retail can't send one or multiple kids to a public school at $20K a year.
i'm not saying it's some massive conspiracy to not play football, but, is it good or bad parenting if I try to persuade my son not to play football because he has parents that will (hopefully) be able to put him through college and get a job that doesn't put his life on the line? If I can't put him through college is it good or bad parenting to try to persuade him to play football because it could get him a scholarship to college and maybe make him millions? i understand that is very simplistic, but just as a starting point. Further, it's not like I'm making this scenario up look at the social class standing that most NFL players come from, or baseball players coming from the Dominican Republic, or UFC fighters, etc.
If you are well off, extra-curricular sports should supported if the child has an interest in it.
If you can't put your kids through college, then you should be encouraging them to get good grades so that grants and scholarships are available. That is what a responsible parent would do. Telling your kid the only shot they have is if they can play football, basketball, or baseball is probably the dumbest thing you can do with the exception of buying them lottery tickets.
Also, there are tons of poor white people. The middle class is pretty much gone the way of the dodo according to you, so what gives???? I imagine a majority of those working in manufacturing and retail can't send one or multiple kids to a public school at $20K a year.
So what other factors enter the equation?
now you're speaking my language...there are tons of factors that go into it, including the culture of the people around you, what country you're from, what area of that country you're from, if you are a boy or a girl, etc. I mean in the DR nearly every boy is expected to play baseball and make it professionally, if they don't they come home failures. why not get an education there? because you're more likely to get a job as a bellhop than a white-collar profession because of the destitute economy. in the US with a declining middle-class, and declining job opportunities as they get outsourced or eliminated, we may very well be seeing more poor white kids trying to get into athletics. problem is getting good at a sport like basketball almost necessarily means that you have to live in the city (i think something like 90 percent of the NBA black, white, latino, french, german, argentinian, and so on were raised in an urban city center) to get good. At present, poor white people don't like living in the city in the US.
now you're speaking my language...there are tons of factors that go into it, including the culture of the people around you, what country you're from, what area of that country you're from, if you are a boy or a girl, etc. I mean in the DR nearly every boy is expected to play baseball and make it professionally, if they don't they come home failures. why not get an education there? because you're more likely to get a job as a bellhop than a white-collar profession because of the destitute economy. in the US with a declining middle-class, and declining job opportunities as they get outsourced or eliminated, we may very well be seeing more poor white kids trying to get into athletics. problem is getting good at a sport like basketball almost necessarily means that you have to live in the city (i think something like 90 percent of the NBA black, white, latino, french, german, argentinian, and so on were raised in an urban city center) to get good. At present, poor white people don't like living in the city in the US.
So as America gets more poor, white men will soon be able to dunk? :think:
oh no...now you're getting into racial essentialism. contrary to popular belief there is, in fact, no such thing as a dunking gene, or linebacker gene, or quarterback gene. i mean did black people lose the baseball gene and give it to Latinos? anyway you do know who dominated basketball in the early 1900s right? Jews, because they lived in the city. They used to say things like Jews are born with a basketball in their hand, and can run faster and jump higher than white people (back when Jewish people weren't considered white...now that Ryan Braun got away with using steroids he's proved that they have arrived in America as white people . Then when they started making money and moving to the suburbs Jews were replaced by black people and they began to dominate the sport, now, as Latino's start to make their presence felt in the city they are suddenly popping up in basketball.
This is a very moving story. Greg Schiano decided to do something very nice for Eric LeGrand, the Rutgers player who was paralyzed during a game a couple seasons ago.It's mostly a ceremonial gesture but it's still a very thoughtful thing he did for his former player.
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oh no...now you're getting into racial essentialism. contrary to popular belief there is, in fact, no such thing as a dunking gene, or linebacker gene, or quarterback gene. i mean did black people lose the baseball gene and give it to Latinos? anyway you do know who dominated basketball in the early 1900s right? Jews, because they lived in the city. They used to say things like Jews are born with a basketball in their hand, and can run faster and jump higher than white people (back when Jewish people weren't considered white...now that Ryan Braun got away with using steroids he's proved that they have arrived in America as white people . Then when they started making money and moving to the suburbs Jews were replaced by black people and they began to dominate the sport, now, as Latino's start to make their presence felt in the city they are suddenly popping up in basketball.
You make a stereotypical comment about poor white people not liking to live in the city, I make a reference to a stereotypical movie from the 90's, and I'm getting into racial essentialism?
We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.
We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.
We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.
welcome to an RW conversation.
In the words of T.O., get your popcorn ready! :corn:
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We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.
welcome to an RW conversation.
sorry if i don't just watch things in a vacuum i can't help it... ...it's also kinda my job. i do also think the idea of "free will" is far too simplistic and that often leads to these debates.
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While this is good for the Steelers to hopefully win the division, sucks that it has to happen this way. Suggs is a beast.
door is now wide open for the browns.....to win 3 games now
Oh give me a fucking break. Class, cultural structure, blah fucking blah. Like the rest of society, you always have some sort of excuse or someone to blame. Sometimes you have to hold people accountable for their actions and decisions.
only if they are white.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
only the white ones fully understand the risks.....
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
we couldn't afford a football when i was a kid.
If you can't put your kids through college, then you should be encouraging them to get good grades so that grants and scholarships are available. That is what a responsible parent would do. Telling your kid the only shot they have is if they can play football, basketball, or baseball is probably the dumbest thing you can do with the exception of buying them lottery tickets.
Also, there are tons of poor white people. The middle class is pretty much gone the way of the dodo according to you, so what gives???? I imagine a majority of those working in manufacturing and retail can't send one or multiple kids to a public school at $20K a year.
So what other factors enter the equation?
Woody Harrelson is going to be thrilled.
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2018 - Wrigley
2022 - Nashville, St Louis
2024 - Noblesville, Wrigley
We went from the draft, to Seau's untimely death, to wanting to ban football, to white privilege, to socioeconomic privilege, to racial essentialism ... it's been a long and strange trip, my friend. But sadly, one that must end. Our viewpoints are so drastically different, it doesn't even make much sense to debate this issue(s) anymore.
I'm going to watch some playoff hockey.
I bid you adieu.
You forgot the Inuits.
welcome to an RW conversation.
In the words of T.O., get your popcorn ready! :corn:
2000 - Noblesville
2010 - Noblesville
2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley
2012 - San Fran (Oracle)
2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit
2016 - Lexington, Wrigley
2018 - Wrigley
2022 - Nashville, St Louis
2024 - Noblesville, Wrigley