That was a nice lecture from Costas last night. :fp:
I understand why some people are offended by the Redskins name. The thing I don't understand is why all of a sudden everyone is all up in arms over this. The team has been around for 80 years and in the last year or 2 this has been such a hot topic. Why now is this such a big deal??? To me, it just seems like another thing in our society that people are looking to be offended by.
It's not all of the sudden. It's been going on as long as I can remember, it just flares up from time to time. Or with other teams/mascots like Cleveland's "Chief Wahoo" (which has encountered controversy since the 70's) the Illini mascot, etc. I remember talk of Washington changing their name back in the 80's, and there was a big deal in the 90's over Chief Wahoo, where there was some thing about if they didn't change the logo they wouldn't get tax dollars for a new stadium. They kept the logo and got the stadium though. The Illini thing just happened a few years ago, and I forget what it was all about, but it had something to do with the mascot wearing authentic Native American garb. So it's been going on, it just pops up from time to time whenever somebody says something and the debate starts back up.
this thing has been going on for years and years...in the ncaa you have to prove that you have a tribe with you. FSU paid off the florida seminoles so it worked out for them, in illinois there actually wasn't an illimi tribe so they were just not even real...with the redskins it's actually like the n-word in the word of american law so i'm pretty sure it will not last long. it's kind of a joke that it existed in the first place...oh we are honoring you by saying you are great warriors...imagine the fighting jesus's with a flaming cross and syphillus giving mascot that desecrates every christian belief as being honoring the religion. it's not that hard to just turn the "redskins" to the owls or something who really cares in the end. we're gonna end up in textbooks with great grandkids making fun of us for being racists
Once again the Chargers robbed me of sleep and sent me to bed in a bad mood ...
:fp:
Did anyone catch that Rivers is about to have his seventh kid? His wife is a baby factory. I imagine their roadtrips have a lot of "O'Doyle rules" type moments.
Once again the Chargers robbed me of sleep and sent me to bed in a bad mood ...
:fp:
Did anyone catch that Rivers is about to have his seventh kid? His wife is a baby factory. I imagine their roadtrips have a lot of "O'Doyle rules" type moments.
Once again the Chargers robbed me of sleep and sent me to bed in a bad mood ...
:fp:
Did anyone catch that Rivers is about to have his seventh kid? His wife is a baby factory. I imagine their roadtrips have a lot of "O'Doyle rules" type moments.
I did ... then I thought nah, I must have heard incorrectly ... so it really is seven.
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
imagine the fighting jesus's with a flaming cross and syphillus giving mascot that desecrates every christian belief as being honoring the religion.
The Demon Deacons ... not sure if he squirts syphillus or not :think:
who goes to that school? self-representing white catholics...pretty sure he doesn't have syphilus blankets and have a cross chop. i guess my big question is why do we become so wedded to these mascots that we can't let them go? who the fuck cares? if you root for the washington redskins will you stop tomorrow if they become the washington shutdowns? will it fundamentally change the team makeup? in the end it's a racist name that people fight for keeping for dumb reasons...it's easy enough to change just do it.
As loyal fans, you deserve to know that everyone in the Washington Redskins organization – our players, coaches and staff – are truly privileged to represent this team and everything it stands for. We are relentlessly committed to our fans and to the sustained long-term success of this franchise.
That’s why I want to reach out to you – our fans – about a topic I wish to address directly: the team name, “Washington Redskins.” While our focus is firmly on the playing field, it is important that you hear straight from me on this issue. As the owner of the Redskins and a lifelong fan of the team, here is what I believe … and why I believe it.
Like so many of you, I was born a fan of the Washington Redskins. I still remember my first Redskins game. Most people do. I was only six, but I remember coming through the tunnel into the stands at RFK with my father, and immediately being struck by the enormity of the stadium and the passion of the fans all around me.
I remember how quiet it got when the Redskins had the ball, and then how deafening it was when we scored. The ground beneath me seemed to move and shake, and I reached up to grab my father’s hand. The smile on his face as he sang that song … he’s been gone for 10 years now, but that smile, and his pride, are still with me every day.
That tradition – the song, the cheer – it mattered so much to me as a child, and I know it matters to every other Redskins fan in the D.C. area and across the nation.
Our past isn’t just where we came from—it’s who we are.
As some of you may know, our team began 81 years ago – in 1932 – with the name “Boston Braves.” The following year, the franchise name was changed to the “Boston Redskins.” On that inaugural Redskins team, four players and our Head Coach were Native Americans. The name was never a label. It was, and continues to be, a badge of honor.
In 1971, our legendary coach, the late George Allen, consulted with the Red Cloud Athletic Fund located on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota and designed our emblem on the Redskins helmets. Several years later, Coach Allen was honored by the Red Cloud Athletic Fund. On the wall at our Ashburn, Virginia, offices is the plaque given to Coach Allen – a source of pride for all of us. “Washington Redskins” is more than a name we have called our football team for over eight decades. It is a symbol of everything we stand for: strength, courage, pride, and respect – the same values we know guide Native Americans and which are embedded throughout their rich history as the original Americans.
I’ve listened carefully to the commentary and perspectives on all sides, and I respect the feelings of those who are offended by the team name. But I hope such individuals also try to respect what the name means, not only for all of us in the extended Washington Redskins family, but among Native Americans too.
Consider the following facts concerning the “Washington Redskins” name:
1) The highly respected Annenberg Public Policy Center polled nearly 1,000 self-identified Native Americans from across the continental U.S. and found that 90% of Native Americans did not find the team name “Washington Redskins” to be “offensive.”
2) In an April 2013 Associated Press survey, 79% of the respondents stated the Washington Redskins should not change their name, while only 11% believed the team’s name should change.
Paul Woody, a columnist for the Richmond Times Dispatch, interviewed three leaders of Virginia Native American tribes this May. They were all quoted by Mr. Woody as stating that the team name doesn't offend them – and their comments strongly supported the name “Washington Redskins.” Also in May, SiriusXM NFL Radio hosted Robert Green, the longtime and recently retired Chief of the Fredericksburg-area Patawomeck Tribe, who said, among other things:
“Frankly, the members of my tribe - the vast majority - don’t find it offensive. I’ve been a Redskins fan for years. And to be honest with you, I would be offended if they did change [the name, Redskins….This is] an attempt by somebody…to completely remove the Indian identity from anything and pretty soon… you have a wipeout in society of any reference to Indian people….You can’t rewrite history – yes there were some awful bad things done to our people over time, but naming the Washington football team the Redskins, we don’t consider to be one of those bad things.”
Our franchise has a great history, tradition and legacy representing our proud alumni and literally tens of millions of loyal fans worldwide. We have participated in some of the greatest games in NFL history, and have won five World Championships. We are proud of our team and the passion of our loyal fans. Our fans sing “Hail to the Redskins” in celebration at every Redskins game. They speak proudly of “Redskins Nation” in honor of a sports team they love.
So when I consider the Washington Redskins name, I think of what it stands for. I think of the Washington Redskins traditions and pride I want to share with my three children, just as my father shared with me – and just as you have shared with your family and friends.
I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I want them to know that I do hear them, and I will continue to listen and learn. But we cannot ignore our 81 year history, or the strong feelings of most of our fans as well as Native Americans throughout the country. After 81 years, the team name “Redskins” continues to hold the memories and meaning of where we came from, who we are, and who we want to be in the years to come.
We are Redskins Nation ... and we owe it to our fans and coaches and players, past and present, to preserve that heritage.
With Respect and Appreciation,
Dan Snyder
PS. Wherever I go, I see Redskins bumper stickers, Redskins decals, Redskins t-shirts, Redskins … everything. I know how much this team means to you, and it means everything to me as well. Always has. I salute your passion and your pride for the Burgundy & Gold.
If one reasonable Native American is offended by the name, it should be changed, but if the vast majority of NA's endorse it as some sort of way of honoring them, then they should be able to keep it.
Dan Snyder comes off as a blow hard in his email. His personal beliefs and memories with his dad should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the name is changed.
As loyal fans, you deserve to know that everyone in the Washington Redskins organization – our players, coaches and staff – are truly privileged to represent this team and everything it stands for. We are relentlessly committed to our fans and to the sustained long-term success of this franchise.
That’s why I want to reach out to you – our fans – about a topic I wish to address directly: the team name, “Washington Redskins.” While our focus is firmly on the playing field, it is important that you hear straight from me on this issue. As the owner of the Redskins and a lifelong fan of the team, here is what I believe … and why I believe it.
Like so many of you, I was born a fan of the Washington Redskins. I still remember my first Redskins game. Most people do. I was only six, but I remember coming through the tunnel into the stands at RFK with my father, and immediately being struck by the enormity of the stadium and the passion of the fans all around me.
I remember how quiet it got when the Redskins had the ball, and then how deafening it was when we scored. The ground beneath me seemed to move and shake, and I reached up to grab my father’s hand. The smile on his face as he sang that song … he’s been gone for 10 years now, but that smile, and his pride, are still with me every day.
That tradition – the song, the cheer – it mattered so much to me as a child, and I know it matters to every other Redskins fan in the D.C. area and across the nation.
Our past isn’t just where we came from—it’s who we are.
As some of you may know, our team began 81 years ago – in 1932 – with the name “Boston Braves.” The following year, the franchise name was changed to the “Boston Redskins.” On that inaugural Redskins team, four players and our Head Coach were Native Americans. The name was never a label. It was, and continues to be, a badge of honor.
In 1971, our legendary coach, the late George Allen, consulted with the Red Cloud Athletic Fund located on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota and designed our emblem on the Redskins helmets. Several years later, Coach Allen was honored by the Red Cloud Athletic Fund. On the wall at our Ashburn, Virginia, offices is the plaque given to Coach Allen – a source of pride for all of us. “Washington Redskins” is more than a name we have called our football team for over eight decades. It is a symbol of everything we stand for: strength, courage, pride, and respect – the same values we know guide Native Americans and which are embedded throughout their rich history as the original Americans.
I’ve listened carefully to the commentary and perspectives on all sides, and I respect the feelings of those who are offended by the team name. But I hope such individuals also try to respect what the name means, not only for all of us in the extended Washington Redskins family, but among Native Americans too.
Consider the following facts concerning the “Washington Redskins” name:
1) The highly respected Annenberg Public Policy Center polled nearly 1,000 self-identified Native Americans from across the continental U.S. and found that 90% of Native Americans did not find the team name “Washington Redskins” to be “offensive.”
2) In an April 2013 Associated Press survey, 79% of the respondents stated the Washington Redskins should not change their name, while only 11% believed the team’s name should change.
Paul Woody, a columnist for the Richmond Times Dispatch, interviewed three leaders of Virginia Native American tribes this May. They were all quoted by Mr. Woody as stating that the team name doesn't offend them – and their comments strongly supported the name “Washington Redskins.” Also in May, SiriusXM NFL Radio hosted Robert Green, the longtime and recently retired Chief of the Fredericksburg-area Patawomeck Tribe, who said, among other things:
“Frankly, the members of my tribe - the vast majority - don’t find it offensive. I’ve been a Redskins fan for years. And to be honest with you, I would be offended if they did change [the name, Redskins….This is] an attempt by somebody…to completely remove the Indian identity from anything and pretty soon… you have a wipeout in society of any reference to Indian people….You can’t rewrite history – yes there were some awful bad things done to our people over time, but naming the Washington football team the Redskins, we don’t consider to be one of those bad things.”
Our franchise has a great history, tradition and legacy representing our proud alumni and literally tens of millions of loyal fans worldwide. We have participated in some of the greatest games in NFL history, and have won five World Championships. We are proud of our team and the passion of our loyal fans. Our fans sing “Hail to the Redskins” in celebration at every Redskins game. They speak proudly of “Redskins Nation” in honor of a sports team they love.
So when I consider the Washington Redskins name, I think of what it stands for. I think of the Washington Redskins traditions and pride I want to share with my three children, just as my father shared with me – and just as you have shared with your family and friends.
I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I want them to know that I do hear them, and I will continue to listen and learn. But we cannot ignore our 81 year history, or the strong feelings of most of our fans as well as Native Americans throughout the country. After 81 years, the team name “Redskins” continues to hold the memories and meaning of where we came from, who we are, and who we want to be in the years to come.
We are Redskins Nation ... and we owe it to our fans and coaches and players, past and present, to preserve that heritage.
With Respect and Appreciation,
Dan Snyder
PS. Wherever I go, I see Redskins bumper stickers, Redskins decals, Redskins t-shirts, Redskins … everything. I know how much this team means to you, and it means everything to me as well. Always has. I salute your passion and your pride for the Burgundy & Gold.
first and only time i will do this for snyder:
had an argument with my brother about a similar issue with our high school name/mascot--we're the radnor red raiders. a local college professor has, for years, tried to get the school to change it's name and mascot. the mascot is an indian warrior of some sort. the professor's daughter went to school there and was offended. these people are white as white can be. i have never once heard anyone else claim to be offended. but this guy never relented and the school finally succumbed and got rid of the mascot but kept the name. apparently the professor is not satisfied and is still going at them to drop the "red raider" name. to my knowledge, it's this one fucking guy and his "deeply offended" daughter fighting this "issue."
if native americans are not offended, why is it this professor's job, and bob costas' job, and deadspins job, and rw's job ( ) to tell them they should be offended? i don't get it. the name was not given out of disrespect. it's not currently meant to disrespect them. most importantly they are not offended. so what's the fucking problem? i don't get it. this country is so stupid sometimes.
NFL thinking of making Thursday nights a doubleheader. I usually go with the flow of all their decisions but this is just idiotic. There hasn't been one quality Thursday night game this year. I don't need 2 shit shows a week. If anything they should be switching back to the old way, when the Thursday nighters came in after Thanksgiving or whatever.
NFL thinking of making Thursday nights a doubleheader. I usually go with the flow of all their decisions but this is just idiotic. There hasn't been one quality Thursday night game this year. I don't need 2 shit shows a week. If anything they should be switching back to the old way, when the Thursday nighters came in after Thanksgiving or whatever.
Fucking ridiculous. I read that the NFLPA would have to approve this change....no way I see that happening. But the fact that the NFL would even propose this is insane.
NFL thinking of making Thursday nights a doubleheader. I usually go with the flow of all their decisions but this is just idiotic. There hasn't been one quality Thursday night game this year. I don't need 2 shit shows a week. If anything they should be switching back to the old way, when the Thursday nighters came in after Thanksgiving or whatever.
Thursday games are awful. The NFL keeps making it harder and harder to be a season ticket holder.
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NFL thinking of making Thursday nights a doubleheader. I usually go with the flow of all their decisions but this is just idiotic. There hasn't been one quality Thursday night game this year. I don't need 2 shit shows a week. If anything they should be switching back to the old way, when the Thursday nighters came in after Thanksgiving or whatever.
Thursday games are awful. The NFL keeps making it harder and harder to be a season ticket holder.
there's no way the players association should/will agree to that. if they do, they're a bunch of hypocrites too.
is there a way to do it with bye weeks like mayday said? if so, that is how it should be done. i'd like the idea of it being on fox or whoever the highest bidder is. would seem like a bigger event than just being shown on nfl network.
As loyal fans, you deserve to know that everyone in the Washington Redskins organization – our players, coaches and staff – are truly privileged to represent this team and everything it stands for. We are relentlessly committed to our fans and to the sustained long-term success of this franchise.
That’s why I want to reach out to you – our fans – about a topic I wish to address directly: the team name, “Washington Redskins.” While our focus is firmly on the playing field, it is important that you hear straight from me on this issue. As the owner of the Redskins and a lifelong fan of the team, here is what I believe … and why I believe it.
Like so many of you, I was born a fan of the Washington Redskins. I still remember my first Redskins game. Most people do. I was only six, but I remember coming through the tunnel into the stands at RFK with my father, and immediately being struck by the enormity of the stadium and the passion of the fans all around me.
I remember how quiet it got when the Redskins had the ball, and then how deafening it was when we scored. The ground beneath me seemed to move and shake, and I reached up to grab my father’s hand. The smile on his face as he sang that song … he’s been gone for 10 years now, but that smile, and his pride, are still with me every day.
That tradition – the song, the cheer – it mattered so much to me as a child, and I know it matters to every other Redskins fan in the D.C. area and across the nation.
Our past isn’t just where we came from—it’s who we are.
As some of you may know, our team began 81 years ago – in 1932 – with the name “Boston Braves.” The following year, the franchise name was changed to the “Boston Redskins.” On that inaugural Redskins team, four players and our Head Coach were Native Americans. The name was never a label. It was, and continues to be, a badge of honor.
In 1971, our legendary coach, the late George Allen, consulted with the Red Cloud Athletic Fund located on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota and designed our emblem on the Redskins helmets. Several years later, Coach Allen was honored by the Red Cloud Athletic Fund. On the wall at our Ashburn, Virginia, offices is the plaque given to Coach Allen – a source of pride for all of us. “Washington Redskins” is more than a name we have called our football team for over eight decades. It is a symbol of everything we stand for: strength, courage, pride, and respect – the same values we know guide Native Americans and which are embedded throughout their rich history as the original Americans.
I’ve listened carefully to the commentary and perspectives on all sides, and I respect the feelings of those who are offended by the team name. But I hope such individuals also try to respect what the name means, not only for all of us in the extended Washington Redskins family, but among Native Americans too.
Consider the following facts concerning the “Washington Redskins” name:
1) The highly respected Annenberg Public Policy Center polled nearly 1,000 self-identified Native Americans from across the continental U.S. and found that 90% of Native Americans did not find the team name “Washington Redskins” to be “offensive.”
2) In an April 2013 Associated Press survey, 79% of the respondents stated the Washington Redskins should not change their name, while only 11% believed the team’s name should change.
Paul Woody, a columnist for the Richmond Times Dispatch, interviewed three leaders of Virginia Native American tribes this May. They were all quoted by Mr. Woody as stating that the team name doesn't offend them – and their comments strongly supported the name “Washington Redskins.” Also in May, SiriusXM NFL Radio hosted Robert Green, the longtime and recently retired Chief of the Fredericksburg-area Patawomeck Tribe, who said, among other things:
“Frankly, the members of my tribe - the vast majority - don’t find it offensive. I’ve been a Redskins fan for years. And to be honest with you, I would be offended if they did change [the name, Redskins….This is] an attempt by somebody…to completely remove the Indian identity from anything and pretty soon… you have a wipeout in society of any reference to Indian people….You can’t rewrite history – yes there were some awful bad things done to our people over time, but naming the Washington football team the Redskins, we don’t consider to be one of those bad things.”
Our franchise has a great history, tradition and legacy representing our proud alumni and literally tens of millions of loyal fans worldwide. We have participated in some of the greatest games in NFL history, and have won five World Championships. We are proud of our team and the passion of our loyal fans. Our fans sing “Hail to the Redskins” in celebration at every Redskins game. They speak proudly of “Redskins Nation” in honor of a sports team they love.
So when I consider the Washington Redskins name, I think of what it stands for. I think of the Washington Redskins traditions and pride I want to share with my three children, just as my father shared with me – and just as you have shared with your family and friends.
I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I want them to know that I do hear them, and I will continue to listen and learn. But we cannot ignore our 81 year history, or the strong feelings of most of our fans as well as Native Americans throughout the country. After 81 years, the team name “Redskins” continues to hold the memories and meaning of where we came from, who we are, and who we want to be in the years to come.
We are Redskins Nation ... and we owe it to our fans and coaches and players, past and present, to preserve that heritage.
With Respect and Appreciation,
Dan Snyder
PS. Wherever I go, I see Redskins bumper stickers, Redskins decals, Redskins t-shirts, Redskins … everything. I know how much this team means to you, and it means everything to me as well. Always has. I salute your passion and your pride for the Burgundy & Gold.
first and only time i will do this for snyder:
had an argument with my brother about a similar issue with our high school name/mascot--we're the radnor red raiders. a local college professor has, for years, tried to get the school to change it's name and mascot. the mascot is an indian warrior of some sort. the professor's daughter went to school there and was offended. these people are white as white can be. i have never once heard anyone else claim to be offended. but this guy never relented and the school finally succumbed and got rid of the mascot but kept the name. apparently the professor is not satisfied and is still going at them to drop the "red raider" name. to my knowledge, it's this one fucking guy and his "deeply offended" daughter fighting this "issue."
if native americans are not offended, why is it this professor's job, and bob costas' job, and deadspins job, and rw's job ( ) to tell them they should be offended? i don't get it. the name was not given out of disrespect. it's not currently meant to disrespect them. most importantly they are not offended. so what's the fucking problem? i don't get it. this country is so stupid sometimes.
i dare you to go onto an Indian Reservation and say "what up redskin"...tell me the story of how that one pans out
As loyal fans, you deserve to know that everyone in the Washington Redskins organization – our players, coaches and staff – are truly privileged to represent this team and everything it stands for. We are relentlessly committed to our fans and to the sustained long-term success of this franchise.
That’s why I want to reach out to you – our fans – about a topic I wish to address directly: the team name, “Washington Redskins.” While our focus is firmly on the playing field, it is important that you hear straight from me on this issue. As the owner of the Redskins and a lifelong fan of the team, here is what I believe … and why I believe it.
Like so many of you, I was born a fan of the Washington Redskins. I still remember my first Redskins game. Most people do. I was only six, but I remember coming through the tunnel into the stands at RFK with my father, and immediately being struck by the enormity of the stadium and the passion of the fans all around me.
I remember how quiet it got when the Redskins had the ball, and then how deafening it was when we scored. The ground beneath me seemed to move and shake, and I reached up to grab my father’s hand. The smile on his face as he sang that song … he’s been gone for 10 years now, but that smile, and his pride, are still with me every day.
That tradition – the song, the cheer – it mattered so much to me as a child, and I know it matters to every other Redskins fan in the D.C. area and across the nation.
Our past isn’t just where we came from—it’s who we are.
As some of you may know, our team began 81 years ago – in 1932 – with the name “Boston Braves.” The following year, the franchise name was changed to the “Boston Redskins.” On that inaugural Redskins team, four players and our Head Coach were Native Americans. The name was never a label. It was, and continues to be, a badge of honor.
In 1971, our legendary coach, the late George Allen, consulted with the Red Cloud Athletic Fund located on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota and designed our emblem on the Redskins helmets. Several years later, Coach Allen was honored by the Red Cloud Athletic Fund. On the wall at our Ashburn, Virginia, offices is the plaque given to Coach Allen – a source of pride for all of us. “Washington Redskins” is more than a name we have called our football team for over eight decades. It is a symbol of everything we stand for: strength, courage, pride, and respect – the same values we know guide Native Americans and which are embedded throughout their rich history as the original Americans.
I’ve listened carefully to the commentary and perspectives on all sides, and I respect the feelings of those who are offended by the team name. But I hope such individuals also try to respect what the name means, not only for all of us in the extended Washington Redskins family, but among Native Americans too.
Consider the following facts concerning the “Washington Redskins” name:
1) The highly respected Annenberg Public Policy Center polled nearly 1,000 self-identified Native Americans from across the continental U.S. and found that 90% of Native Americans did not find the team name “Washington Redskins” to be “offensive.”
2) In an April 2013 Associated Press survey, 79% of the respondents stated the Washington Redskins should not change their name, while only 11% believed the team’s name should change.
Paul Woody, a columnist for the Richmond Times Dispatch, interviewed three leaders of Virginia Native American tribes this May. They were all quoted by Mr. Woody as stating that the team name doesn't offend them – and their comments strongly supported the name “Washington Redskins.” Also in May, SiriusXM NFL Radio hosted Robert Green, the longtime and recently retired Chief of the Fredericksburg-area Patawomeck Tribe, who said, among other things:
“Frankly, the members of my tribe - the vast majority - don’t find it offensive. I’ve been a Redskins fan for years. And to be honest with you, I would be offended if they did change [the name, Redskins….This is] an attempt by somebody…to completely remove the Indian identity from anything and pretty soon… you have a wipeout in society of any reference to Indian people….You can’t rewrite history – yes there were some awful bad things done to our people over time, but naming the Washington football team the Redskins, we don’t consider to be one of those bad things.”
Our franchise has a great history, tradition and legacy representing our proud alumni and literally tens of millions of loyal fans worldwide. We have participated in some of the greatest games in NFL history, and have won five World Championships. We are proud of our team and the passion of our loyal fans. Our fans sing “Hail to the Redskins” in celebration at every Redskins game. They speak proudly of “Redskins Nation” in honor of a sports team they love.
So when I consider the Washington Redskins name, I think of what it stands for. I think of the Washington Redskins traditions and pride I want to share with my three children, just as my father shared with me – and just as you have shared with your family and friends.
I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I want them to know that I do hear them, and I will continue to listen and learn. But we cannot ignore our 81 year history, or the strong feelings of most of our fans as well as Native Americans throughout the country. After 81 years, the team name “Redskins” continues to hold the memories and meaning of where we came from, who we are, and who we want to be in the years to come.
We are Redskins Nation ... and we owe it to our fans and coaches and players, past and present, to preserve that heritage.
With Respect and Appreciation,
Dan Snyder
PS. Wherever I go, I see Redskins bumper stickers, Redskins decals, Redskins t-shirts, Redskins … everything. I know how much this team means to you, and it means everything to me as well. Always has. I salute your passion and your pride for the Burgundy & Gold.
first and only time i will do this for snyder:
had an argument with my brother about a similar issue with our high school name/mascot--we're the radnor red raiders. a local college professor has, for years, tried to get the school to change it's name and mascot. the mascot is an indian warrior of some sort. the professor's daughter went to school there and was offended. these people are white as white can be. i have never once heard anyone else claim to be offended. but this guy never relented and the school finally succumbed and got rid of the mascot but kept the name. apparently the professor is not satisfied and is still going at them to drop the "red raider" name. to my knowledge, it's this one fucking guy and his "deeply offended" daughter fighting this "issue."
if native americans are not offended, why is it this professor's job, and bob costas' job, and deadspins job, and rw's job ( ) to tell them they should be offended? i don't get it. the name was not given out of disrespect. it's not currently meant to disrespect them. most importantly they are not offended. so what's the fucking problem? i don't get it. this country is so stupid sometimes.
i dare you to go onto an Indian Reservation and say "what up redskin"...tell me the story of how that one pans out
when you peel the fist from your face tell the dude not to be so sensitive and that you were honoring him by saying "redskin"...tell me this do you feel fundamentally different about your high school education because your precious team name was changed?
rw--what is your response to that poll? the overwhelming majority of native americans are not offended by the name of the football team in washington dc. seriously, what is your response to that? i mean, if they are not offended, should they change it because people like you think they should be offended?
rw--what is your response to that poll? the overwhelming majority of native americans are not offended by the name of the football team in washington dc. seriously, what is your response to that? i mean, if they are not offended, should they change it because people like you think they should be offended?
the poll is bullshit...my old prof wrote an article that the new york times wrote her saying that they wouldn't publish that refutes the polling procedures and questions how they were able to get members of tribes that haven't talked to white people for years to participate. by and large native people are so distrustful of white people that they won't even talk to us much less participate in some poll over a mascot. again, would you feel comfortable going onto an indian reservation saying "what up redskin"? if not why are you fighting to keep this team name?
to be fair Colonel Reb at Ole Miss (not Old Miss but Ole Miss as in the missus of the plantation) is just as reprehensible and ESPN celebrates him and the Grove as one of the greatest parties on earth.
rw--what is your response to that poll? the overwhelming majority of native americans are not offended by the name of the football team in washington dc. seriously, what is your response to that? i mean, if they are not offended, should they change it because people like you think they should be offended?
the poll is bullshit...my old prof wrote an article that the new york times wrote her saying that they wouldn't publish that refutes the polling procedures and questions how they were able to get members of tribes that haven't talked to white people for years to participate. by and large native people are so distrustful of white people that they won't even talk to us much less participate in some poll over a mascot. again, would you feel comfortable going onto an indian reservation saying "what up redskin"? if not why are you fighting to keep this team name?
the better question is when was the last time anyone, anywhere, used the term "redskin" and meant it as a slur...or meant it any form other than to refer to a sports team? 80 years ago/ 100 years ago? 120 years ago? in 35 years, i have never heard anyone say it in person or in movies or shit. it's the name of a fucking football team.
if i had a friend who was native american and a die hard fan of the professional football team that plays in dc, i would absolutely tell him that the "redskins suck" and not think anything of it...and quite honestly, he wouldn't have either (well at least until before our national media told him to think twice about it recently).
rw--what is your response to that poll? the overwhelming majority of native americans are not offended by the name of the football team in washington dc. seriously, what is your response to that? i mean, if they are not offended, should they change it because people like you think they should be offended?
the poll is bullshit...my old prof wrote an article that the new york times wrote her saying that they wouldn't publish that refutes the polling procedures and questions how they were able to get members of tribes that haven't talked to white people for years to participate. by and large native people are so distrustful of white people that they won't even talk to us much less participate in some poll over a mascot. again, would you feel comfortable going onto an indian reservation saying "what up redskin"? if not why are you fighting to keep this team name?
the better question is when was the last time anyone, anywhere, used the term "redskin" and meant it as a slur...or meant it any form other than to refer to a sports team? 80 years ago/ 100 years ago? 120 years ago? in 35 years, i have never heard anyone say it in person or in movies or shit. it's the name of a fucking football team.
if i had a friend who was native american and a die hard fan of the professional football team that plays in dc, i would absolutely tell him that the "redskins suck" and not think anything of it...and quite honestly, he wouldn't have either (well at least until before our national media told him to think twice about it recently).
can i take you to a reservation and tape you saying what up redskin to someone?
plus is it possible that it's disappeared from our popular culture as a reference because at some point someone decided that it was a racial slur (it is by law) and stopped using it? plus if it's just a fucking team name then who the fuck cares if they change it?
the poll is bullshit...my old prof wrote an article that the new york times wrote her saying that they wouldn't publish that refutes the polling procedures and questions how they were able to get members of tribes that haven't talked to white people for years to participate. by and large native people are so distrustful of white people that they won't even talk to us much less participate in some poll over a mascot. again, would you feel comfortable going onto an indian reservation saying "what up redskin"? if not why are you fighting to keep this team name?
the better question is when was the last time anyone, anywhere, used the term "redskin" and meant it as a slur...or meant it any form other than to refer to a sports team? 80 years ago/ 100 years ago? 120 years ago? in 35 years, i have never heard anyone say it in person or in movies or shit. it's the name of a fucking football team.
if i had a friend who was native american and a die hard fan of the professional football team that plays in dc, i would absolutely tell him that the "redskins suck" and not think anything of it...and quite honestly, he wouldn't have either (well at least until before our national media told him to think twice about it recently).
can i take you to a reservation and tape you saying what up redskin to someone?
plus is it possible that it's disappeared from our popular culture as a reference because at some point someone decided that it was a racial slur (it is by law) and stopped using it? plus if it's just a fucking team name then who the fuck cares if they change it?
nobody anywhere uses this word as a slur. nobody anywhere cared about this until our stupid national media told people to care about it.
plus is it possible that it's disappeared from our popular culture as a reference because at some point someone decided that it was a racial slur (it is by law) and stopped using it? plus if it's just a fucking team name then who the fuck cares if they change it?
nobody anywhere uses this word as a slur. nobody anywhere cared about this until our stupid national media told people to care about it.
first people do use that as a slur, go stay some time in places bordering native or first nation reservations and you'll hear it. second, by law it is recognized as a slur that's why they can't trademark the team name. third, by your logic if we all agreed to stop using the term "nigger" today, then in 30 years we could name a team the New York Niggers with a black mascot, doing some form of bastardized hip hop dance and shooting a gun, and no one could complain. that's most ridiculously flawed of all your ridiculously flawed arguments. just change the team name it's not going to hurt i promise. and finally this fight has been going on for a lot longer than 2 months. think of all the universities that have changed mascots Stanford, Syracuse, Marquette, St. John's, etc. those things happened 20-50 years ago, hardly a new problem. guess how many of them lost money on the change? how about none ever.
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Did anyone catch that Rivers is about to have his seventh kid? His wife is a baby factory. I imagine their roadtrips have a lot of "O'Doyle rules" type moments.
he can still score....
I did ... then I thought nah, I must have heard incorrectly ... so it really is seven.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
October 9, 2013
To Everyone in our Washington Redskins Nation:
As loyal fans, you deserve to know that everyone in the Washington Redskins organization – our players, coaches and staff – are truly privileged to represent this team and everything it stands for. We are relentlessly committed to our fans and to the sustained long-term success of this franchise.
That’s why I want to reach out to you – our fans – about a topic I wish to address directly: the team name, “Washington Redskins.” While our focus is firmly on the playing field, it is important that you hear straight from me on this issue. As the owner of the Redskins and a lifelong fan of the team, here is what I believe … and why I believe it.
Like so many of you, I was born a fan of the Washington Redskins. I still remember my first Redskins game. Most people do. I was only six, but I remember coming through the tunnel into the stands at RFK with my father, and immediately being struck by the enormity of the stadium and the passion of the fans all around me.
I remember how quiet it got when the Redskins had the ball, and then how deafening it was when we scored. The ground beneath me seemed to move and shake, and I reached up to grab my father’s hand. The smile on his face as he sang that song … he’s been gone for 10 years now, but that smile, and his pride, are still with me every day.
That tradition – the song, the cheer – it mattered so much to me as a child, and I know it matters to every other Redskins fan in the D.C. area and across the nation.
Our past isn’t just where we came from—it’s who we are.
As some of you may know, our team began 81 years ago – in 1932 – with the name “Boston Braves.” The following year, the franchise name was changed to the “Boston Redskins.” On that inaugural Redskins team, four players and our Head Coach were Native Americans. The name was never a label. It was, and continues to be, a badge of honor.
In 1971, our legendary coach, the late George Allen, consulted with the Red Cloud Athletic Fund located on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota and designed our emblem on the Redskins helmets. Several years later, Coach Allen was honored by the Red Cloud Athletic Fund. On the wall at our Ashburn, Virginia, offices is the plaque given to Coach Allen – a source of pride for all of us. “Washington Redskins” is more than a name we have called our football team for over eight decades. It is a symbol of everything we stand for: strength, courage, pride, and respect – the same values we know guide Native Americans and which are embedded throughout their rich history as the original Americans.
I’ve listened carefully to the commentary and perspectives on all sides, and I respect the feelings of those who are offended by the team name. But I hope such individuals also try to respect what the name means, not only for all of us in the extended Washington Redskins family, but among Native Americans too.
Consider the following facts concerning the “Washington Redskins” name:
1) The highly respected Annenberg Public Policy Center polled nearly 1,000 self-identified Native Americans from across the continental U.S. and found that 90% of Native Americans did not find the team name “Washington Redskins” to be “offensive.”
2) In an April 2013 Associated Press survey, 79% of the respondents stated the Washington Redskins should not change their name, while only 11% believed the team’s name should change.
Paul Woody, a columnist for the Richmond Times Dispatch, interviewed three leaders of Virginia Native American tribes this May. They were all quoted by Mr. Woody as stating that the team name doesn't offend them – and their comments strongly supported the name “Washington Redskins.” Also in May, SiriusXM NFL Radio hosted Robert Green, the longtime and recently retired Chief of the Fredericksburg-area Patawomeck Tribe, who said, among other things:
“Frankly, the members of my tribe - the vast majority - don’t find it offensive. I’ve been a Redskins fan for years. And to be honest with you, I would be offended if they did change [the name, Redskins….This is] an attempt by somebody…to completely remove the Indian identity from anything and pretty soon… you have a wipeout in society of any reference to Indian people….You can’t rewrite history – yes there were some awful bad things done to our people over time, but naming the Washington football team the Redskins, we don’t consider to be one of those bad things.”
Our franchise has a great history, tradition and legacy representing our proud alumni and literally tens of millions of loyal fans worldwide. We have participated in some of the greatest games in NFL history, and have won five World Championships. We are proud of our team and the passion of our loyal fans. Our fans sing “Hail to the Redskins” in celebration at every Redskins game. They speak proudly of “Redskins Nation” in honor of a sports team they love.
So when I consider the Washington Redskins name, I think of what it stands for. I think of the Washington Redskins traditions and pride I want to share with my three children, just as my father shared with me – and just as you have shared with your family and friends.
I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I want them to know that I do hear them, and I will continue to listen and learn. But we cannot ignore our 81 year history, or the strong feelings of most of our fans as well as Native Americans throughout the country. After 81 years, the team name “Redskins” continues to hold the memories and meaning of where we came from, who we are, and who we want to be in the years to come.
We are Redskins Nation ... and we owe it to our fans and coaches and players, past and present, to preserve that heritage.
With Respect and Appreciation,
Dan Snyder
PS. Wherever I go, I see Redskins bumper stickers, Redskins decals, Redskins t-shirts, Redskins … everything. I know how much this team means to you, and it means everything to me as well. Always has. I salute your passion and your pride for the Burgundy & Gold.
Dan Snyder comes off as a blow hard in his email. His personal beliefs and memories with his dad should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the name is changed.
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best thing he's done since barkley!
Petty funny but nothing beats the real thing:
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first and only time i will do this for snyder:
had an argument with my brother about a similar issue with our high school name/mascot--we're the radnor red raiders. a local college professor has, for years, tried to get the school to change it's name and mascot. the mascot is an indian warrior of some sort. the professor's daughter went to school there and was offended. these people are white as white can be. i have never once heard anyone else claim to be offended. but this guy never relented and the school finally succumbed and got rid of the mascot but kept the name. apparently the professor is not satisfied and is still going at them to drop the "red raider" name. to my knowledge, it's this one fucking guy and his "deeply offended" daughter fighting this "issue."
if native americans are not offended, why is it this professor's job, and bob costas' job, and deadspins job, and rw's job (
NFL thinking of making Thursday nights a doubleheader. I usually go with the flow of all their decisions but this is just idiotic. There hasn't been one quality Thursday night game this year. I don't need 2 shit shows a week. If anything they should be switching back to the old way, when the Thursday nighters came in after Thanksgiving or whatever.
Fucking ridiculous. I read that the NFLPA would have to approve this change....no way I see that happening. But the fact that the NFL would even propose this is insane.
The Bills/Browns game was just a horrific string of injuries
Thursday games are awful. The NFL keeps making it harder and harder to be a season ticket holder.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
there's no way the players association should/will agree to that. if they do, they're a bunch of hypocrites too.
is there a way to do it with bye weeks like mayday said? if so, that is how it should be done. i'd like the idea of it being on fox or whoever the highest bidder is. would seem like a bigger event than just being shown on nfl network.
that was hilarious. gruden is a good coach but pryor almost looked horrified at one point ..hahhaha
the better question is when was the last time anyone, anywhere, used the term "redskin" and meant it as a slur...or meant it any form other than to refer to a sports team? 80 years ago/ 100 years ago? 120 years ago? in 35 years, i have never heard anyone say it in person or in movies or shit. it's the name of a fucking football team.
if i had a friend who was native american and a die hard fan of the professional football team that plays in dc, i would absolutely tell him that the "redskins suck" and not think anything of it...and quite honestly, he wouldn't have either (well at least until before our national media told him to think twice about it recently).
sure. i'm free next saturday.
nobody anywhere uses this word as a slur. nobody anywhere cared about this until our stupid national media told people to care about it.