You know it's bad for Republicans when Karl Rove says it's time to cave and move on.
The former political adviser to President George W. Bush said Wednesday that the famously conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page was right when it said House Republicans should cut their losses and agree with a bipartisan Senate plan to extend for just two months the payroll tax cut enacted last year.
Republicans "have lost the optics on it," Rove told Fox News, "the question now is how do the Republicans get out of it."
Speaker John Boehner and House Republicans on Tuesday blocked a Senate proposal to extend the popular tax cut for two months in an effort to allow lawmaker from both parties more time to hash out a larger compromise on a host of issues that were holding up the payroll tax extension.
Boehner had reportedly backed the plan at first, but many of the most conservative members of parties revolted on Saturday and said they would not accept the Senate plan, vowing to kill it when it came to the House of Representatives.
But that may have been easier said than done. So Boehner came up with a plan to block the Senate bill without actually voting on the extension. Using a procedural move, the House voted to "disagree" with the Senate plan and set up a committee of members from both parties from both the House and Senate to work out a new compromise on legislation.
But most senators had already left Washington for the holidays and the Senate proposal was itself a compromise between Democrats and Republicans, who overwhelmingly supported the short-term legislative option to avoid the most contentious issues and pass the popular tax cut for two months. The Senate bill, which also includes an extension of unemployment benefits and a measure to make sure doctors do not have their Medicare payments cut, passed 89-10. All but seven Republicans voted for it.
The mastermind of Mr. Bush's 2004 re-election effort said the only thing Republicans can do now is "use it for political theater and then vote the two month extension and get out of town."
"The only way to win it is to just stick there and ruin their own Christmases and wait until the president heads off to Hawaii for his, and then lambaste the Democrats for having abdicated their responsibilities to pass a year-long tax cut," Rove said.
The payroll tax affects about 160 million Americans and it was cut a year ago in an effort to stimulate the economy with a little extra cash in people's pockets. Many conservative Republicans are skeptical of the macroeconomic benefits of the payroll tax cut.
Mark Zandi, an influential economist who served as an adviser to the 2008 presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain, has said the economy could fall back into recession if the payroll tax cut is not extended.
what are the congressional republicans doing for YOU again???? that's right....NOTHING!
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Boehner and the GOP House are really fucking up with the payroll tax fiasco. The Democrats have them cornered and if they fail to pass the extension, every worker will see a 2% deduction in their weekly pay ... which is counterproductive to their whole "limited government" battlecry.
I'm getting to the point where I don't even see the value in voting anymore. Every move made is for votes. Nothing is based on common sense and good judgment.
We need a one-term limit and we need it now.
Term limits for the win...it should be, and never was supposed to be a career choice to be a senator or rep...
I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
Boehner and the GOP House are really fucking up with the payroll tax fiasco. The Democrats have them cornered and if they fail to pass the extension, every worker will see a 2% deduction in their weekly pay ... which is counterproductive to their whole "limited government" battlecry.
I'm getting to the point where I don't even see the value in voting anymore. Every move made is for votes. Nothing is based on common sense and good judgment.
We need a one-term limit and we need it now.
Term limits for the win...it should be, and never was supposed to be a career choice to be a senator or rep...
I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
term limits do limit the choice of the people. Saying we need term limits is like Newt saying we dont need a supreme court...its a knee-jerk reaction. ANyone who thinks the dems are any better than the Repubs or vice versa is a tool.
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ANyone who thinks the dems are any better than the Repubs or vice versa is a tool.
again, who is raising taxes on the middle class while protecting the rich???? :eh:
who did not show up on the floor yesterday to vote on the senate bill???
the people are waking up to it, and are feeling buyer's remorse... i predict that the gop will be punished for this in 2012.
the truth stings just a little, doesn't it??
You're completely thick, aren't you? I. DONT. GIVE. A. FUCK. ABOUT. THE. GOP.
It's like showing a dog a card trick - too simple to even comprehend.
The only way things will get better is if we start voting for people and policy records and not political parties.
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chill out with the snippy attack...you insulted me by calling me a tool....i'm just telling you and everyone else like it is....
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I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
if you had a stronger democracy ... ie engagement, informed voter ... it would be ok ... but the democracy is super weak now ... i think the idea of term limits is interesting in theory ... but i suspect that the people that will run won't necessarily be those with altruistic motives rather more corporate lackeys ... as long as they serve their corporate bidding - after their term is up, they'll be given comfy positions in the private sector ...
I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
if you had a stronger democracy ... ie engagement, informed voter ... it would be ok ... but the democracy is super weak now ... i think the idea of term limits is interesting in theory ... but i suspect that the people that will run won't necessarily be those with altruistic motives rather more corporate lackeys ... as long as they serve their corporate bidding - after their term is up, they'll be given comfy positions in the private sector ...
that's an interesting thought. thanks for posting. i never thought about it that way before. Merry Christmas
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I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
if you had a stronger democracy ... ie engagement, informed voter ... it would be ok ... but the democracy is super weak now ... i think the idea of term limits is interesting in theory ... but i suspect that the people that will run won't necessarily be those with altruistic motives rather more corporate lackeys ... as long as they serve their corporate bidding - after their term is up, they'll be given comfy positions in the private sector ...
+1
these days whoever runs for office must be power hungry, or have no soul, or be a shill for corporate interests.. none of them are for the average american no matter what they say on the campaign trail.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
these days whoever runs for office must be power hungry, or have no soul, or be a shill for corporate interests.. none of them are for the average american no matter what they say on the campaign trail.
...including Democrats
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I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
if you had a stronger democracy ... ie engagement, informed voter ... it would be ok ... but the democracy is super weak now ... i think the idea of term limits is interesting in theory ... but i suspect that the people that will run won't necessarily be those with altruistic motives rather more corporate lackeys ... as long as they serve their corporate bidding - after their term is up, they'll be given comfy positions in the private sector ...
+1
these days whoever runs for office must be power hungry, or have no soul, or be a shill for corporate interests.. none of them are for the average american no matter what they say on the campaign trail.
but actually, it's not so absolute. at the local level people often get into politics because they are asked to run. It's quite noble to sacrifice a lot of time to serve a school board, city council or county commission. But very few people are able to plow through the ranks without losing their integrity....very few. There are some. And one of them is running for President.
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I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
Well, I don't know of you're keenly aware of the general population that surrounds you during your everyday activities, but we are not exactly surrounded by a bunch of rocket scientists and brain surgeons. It's mainly a bunch of people that helped make karaoke shows the top-rated programs on TV. They are easily influenced, thus to get in office and stay in office you need lots of money for lots of ads. And that is where lobby money comes into play and that's when the politician is no longer working in the favor of the common man.
If the need to get re-elected is taken out of the equation, I think it's a much bigger game-changer then people realize. Not only is the lobby influence reduced, but so is the influence of both the Democratic and GOP leadership.
Imagine having leaders that made decisions based on their best judgement.
making Congressional insider trading illegal would go a long way to restoring faith and accountability within the system. Crony capitalism - insider trading allowed in Congress - doesnt work. True capitalism does.
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They are easily influenced, thus to get in office and stay in office you need lots of money for lots of ads. And that is where lobby money comes into play and that's when the politician is no longer working in the favor of the common man.
Lobbyists havent entered Ron Paul's office in more than a decade. They know it's hopeless. The man sticks to principals, not paychecks
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term limits do limit the choice of the people. Saying we need term limits is like Newt saying we dont need a supreme court...its a knee-jerk reaction. ANyone who thinks the dems are any better than the Repubs or vice versa is a tool.
How does it limit our choice? I don't think anyone misses not having the chance to vote George W in for a third time.
If anything, it gives us more choice. There are so many politicians that get re-elected based on name recognition and familiarity alone. In my state, the Democrats don't even bother running against one of our senators because he is so well recognized. This is one of the most powerful people in the United States and I don't have a choice to vote for anyone else. He has been in office for 35 years.
I don't think anyone misses not having the chance to vote George W in for a third time.
.
but the 2 percent of america (ok maybe 2 percent is a stretch ) that wanted GW in for a third term didnt have the choice, therefore choice was limited.
Im sorry to hear about your situation but its sound liek the Dems there need to get organized.
If you look at states that do have term limits, you will see that choice is limited.
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Well, I don't know of you're keenly aware of the general population that surrounds you during your everyday activities, but we are not exactly surrounded by a bunch of rocket scientists and brain surgeons. It's mainly a bunch of people that helped make karaoke shows the top-rated programs on TV. They are easily influenced, thus to get in office and stay in office you need lots of money for lots of ads. And that is where lobby money comes into play and that's when the politician is no longer working in the favor of the common man.
I love this :thumbup: ....sad as it is. You guys, on the other hand, can think for yourselves, regardless of who you're backing
of course, this thread veered a tad of course...as they always do. like bob schieffer, I'm just so pissed that these self-righteous, self important assholes fucked around all year, pandering to their bases, and got nothing done. we could have had monkeys on the floor and gotten about the same result.
something else....I live in Utah....beautiful state but about as red as you can get. one of our state reps wants to repeal daylight savings time....fine, whatever....but the reason? TOO MUCH FED INTERVENTION! god, it gets old, these yayhoos pandering to their militia type constituencies. same reason they want to run ATVs all over our protected lands out here :x
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
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these fuckers just want to keep their jobs...it's obviously priority #1 :x
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
these fuckers just want to keep their jobs...it's obviously priority #1 :x
I agree. Why else would the GOP house members so strictly follow the party line? It's because if they don't, the GOP may take them out in the next primary.
these fuckers just want to keep their jobs...it's obviously priority #1 :x
i was referring to term limits
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these fuckers just want to keep their jobs...it's obviously priority #1 :x
I agree. Why else would the GOP house members so strictly follow the party line? It's because if they don't, the GOP may take them out in the next primary.
when Ron Paul first ran for Congress, as a republican, the GOP recruited a former Democrat to run against him. The GOP and NEwt Gingrich heavily funded the stand-in Republican. Ron Paul still won.
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these fuckers just want to keep their jobs...it's obviously priority #1 :x
and in the case of the payroll tax, there are good intentions on both ends. Both parties want to extend it. It's how to do it/pay for it that's getting in the way. Reading newspapers helps, guys.
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Boehner and the GOP House are really fucking up with the payroll tax fiasco. The Democrats have them cornered and if they fail to pass the extension, every worker will see a 2% deduction in their weekly pay ... which is counterproductive to their whole "limited government" battlecry.
I'm getting to the point where I don't even see the value in voting anymore. Every move made is for votes. Nothing is based on common sense and good judgment.
We need a one-term limit and we need it now.
Term limits for the win...it should be, and never was supposed to be a career choice to be a senator or rep...
I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
yes and no...I would say that limiting the government, and peoples involvement in it actually does support liberty...In a perfect world term limits wouldn't be necessary, since we don't live in one we will have to settle. If we had a truly constitutionally limited federal government we wouldn't need them...we don't have that, and until we do term limits keeps people from abusing federal power for their own gains. If you want a career in government they are there...being a representative in the democracy should not be one of the careers you can choose...it is simply a title.
No one is limiting the amount of jobs you can run for, just the amount of times you can represent the same district in the same position. Get the corporate influence out of the government the need for term limits disappears.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
yes and no...I would say that limiting the government, and peoples involvement in it actually does support liberty...In a perfect world term limits wouldn't be necessary, since we don't live in one we will have to settle. If we had a truly constitutionally limited federal government we wouldn't need them...we don't have that, and until we do term limits keeps people from abusing federal power for their own gains. If you want a career in government they are there...being a representative in the democracy should not be one of the careers you can choose...it is simply a title.
No one is limiting the amount of jobs you can run for, just the amount of times you can represent the same district in the same position. Get the corporate influence out of the government the need for term limits disappears.
there is a bill in Congress right now that would make insider trading for political players illegal. That would solve a huge chunk of the problem. quit bitching and write a letter, make a phone call, post stories on your facebook wall. Knowledge IS power. There are just too many apathetic, fair-weather constitutional supporters.
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yes and no...I would say that limiting the government, and peoples involvement in it actually does support liberty...In a perfect world term limits wouldn't be necessary, since we don't live in one we will have to settle. If we had a truly constitutionally limited federal government we wouldn't need them...we don't have that, and until we do term limits keeps people from abusing federal power for their own gains. If you want a career in government they are there...being a representative in the democracy should not be one of the careers you can choose...it is simply a title.
No one is limiting the amount of jobs you can run for, just the amount of times you can represent the same district in the same position. Get the corporate influence out of the government the need for term limits disappears.
there is a bill in Congress right now that would make insider trading for political players illegal. That would solve a huge chunk of the problem. quit bitching and write a letter, make a phone call, post stories on your facebook wall. Knowledge IS power. There are just too many apathetic, fair-weather constitutional supporters.
I am not one of them
can't tell if you were speaking to me directly...but I do contact my reps, more than most I would imagine...I attend town hall discussions...I also pay attention to the most important elections...local ones...
I agree that the insider trading bill would help, but it doesn't solve the problem.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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this from one of the greatest republican strategists of the last 50 years.....it keeps getting better
Karl Rove piles on, tells Republicans to cut bait in tax standoff
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... -standoff/
You know it's bad for Republicans when Karl Rove says it's time to cave and move on.
The former political adviser to President George W. Bush said Wednesday that the famously conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page was right when it said House Republicans should cut their losses and agree with a bipartisan Senate plan to extend for just two months the payroll tax cut enacted last year.
Republicans "have lost the optics on it," Rove told Fox News, "the question now is how do the Republicans get out of it."
Speaker John Boehner and House Republicans on Tuesday blocked a Senate proposal to extend the popular tax cut for two months in an effort to allow lawmaker from both parties more time to hash out a larger compromise on a host of issues that were holding up the payroll tax extension.
Boehner had reportedly backed the plan at first, but many of the most conservative members of parties revolted on Saturday and said they would not accept the Senate plan, vowing to kill it when it came to the House of Representatives.
But that may have been easier said than done. So Boehner came up with a plan to block the Senate bill without actually voting on the extension. Using a procedural move, the House voted to "disagree" with the Senate plan and set up a committee of members from both parties from both the House and Senate to work out a new compromise on legislation.
But most senators had already left Washington for the holidays and the Senate proposal was itself a compromise between Democrats and Republicans, who overwhelmingly supported the short-term legislative option to avoid the most contentious issues and pass the popular tax cut for two months. The Senate bill, which also includes an extension of unemployment benefits and a measure to make sure doctors do not have their Medicare payments cut, passed 89-10. All but seven Republicans voted for it.
The mastermind of Mr. Bush's 2004 re-election effort said the only thing Republicans can do now is "use it for political theater and then vote the two month extension and get out of town."
"The only way to win it is to just stick there and ruin their own Christmases and wait until the president heads off to Hawaii for his, and then lambaste the Democrats for having abdicated their responsibilities to pass a year-long tax cut," Rove said.
The payroll tax affects about 160 million Americans and it was cut a year ago in an effort to stimulate the economy with a little extra cash in people's pockets. Many conservative Republicans are skeptical of the macroeconomic benefits of the payroll tax cut.
Mark Zandi, an influential economist who served as an adviser to the 2008 presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain, has said the economy could fall back into recession if the payroll tax cut is not extended.
what are the congressional republicans doing for YOU again???? that's right....NOTHING!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm kind of mixed about term limits. Isn't that why we have elections? People have the choice to limit anyone's term, why take that choice away? Shouldn't people that support an individuals liberty be against term limits?
term limits do limit the choice of the people. Saying we need term limits is like Newt saying we dont need a supreme court...its a knee-jerk reaction. ANyone who thinks the dems are any better than the Repubs or vice versa is a tool.
who did not show up on the floor yesterday to vote on the senate bill???
the people are waking up to it, and are feeling buyer's remorse... i predict that the gop will be punished for this in 2012.
the truth stings just a little, doesn't it??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You're completely thick, aren't you? I. DONT. GIVE. A. FUCK. ABOUT. THE. GOP.
It's like showing a dog a card trick - too simple to even comprehend.
The only way things will get better is if we start voting for people and policy records and not political parties.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
if you had a stronger democracy ... ie engagement, informed voter ... it would be ok ... but the democracy is super weak now ... i think the idea of term limits is interesting in theory ... but i suspect that the people that will run won't necessarily be those with altruistic motives rather more corporate lackeys ... as long as they serve their corporate bidding - after their term is up, they'll be given comfy positions in the private sector ...
that's an interesting thought. thanks for posting. i never thought about it that way before. Merry Christmas
these days whoever runs for office must be power hungry, or have no soul, or be a shill for corporate interests.. none of them are for the average american no matter what they say on the campaign trail.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
...including Democrats
but actually, it's not so absolute. at the local level people often get into politics because they are asked to run. It's quite noble to sacrifice a lot of time to serve a school board, city council or county commission. But very few people are able to plow through the ranks without losing their integrity....very few. There are some. And one of them is running for President.
If the need to get re-elected is taken out of the equation, I think it's a much bigger game-changer then people realize. Not only is the lobby influence reduced, but so is the influence of both the Democratic and GOP leadership.
Imagine having leaders that made decisions based on their best judgement.
Lobbyists havent entered Ron Paul's office in more than a decade. They know it's hopeless. The man sticks to principals, not paychecks
If anything, it gives us more choice. There are so many politicians that get re-elected based on name recognition and familiarity alone. In my state, the Democrats don't even bother running against one of our senators because he is so well recognized. This is one of the most powerful people in the United States and I don't have a choice to vote for anyone else. He has been in office for 35 years.
I repeat, he ran unopposed.
but the 2 percent of america (ok maybe 2 percent is a stretch
Im sorry to hear about your situation but its sound liek the Dems there need to get organized.
If you look at states that do have term limits, you will see that choice is limited.
of course, this thread veered a tad of course...as they always do. like bob schieffer, I'm just so pissed that these self-righteous, self important assholes fucked around all year, pandering to their bases, and got nothing done. we could have had monkeys on the floor and gotten about the same result.
something else....I live in Utah....beautiful state but about as red as you can get. one of our state reps wants to repeal daylight savings time....fine, whatever....but the reason? TOO MUCH FED INTERVENTION! god, it gets old, these yayhoos pandering to their militia type constituencies. same reason they want to run ATVs all over our protected lands out here :x
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
these fuckers just want to keep their jobs...it's obviously priority #1 :x
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
i was referring to term limits
when Ron Paul first ran for Congress, as a republican, the GOP recruited a former Democrat to run against him. The GOP and NEwt Gingrich heavily funded the stand-in Republican. Ron Paul still won.
and in the case of the payroll tax, there are good intentions on both ends. Both parties want to extend it. It's how to do it/pay for it that's getting in the way. Reading newspapers helps, guys.
yes and no...I would say that limiting the government, and peoples involvement in it actually does support liberty...In a perfect world term limits wouldn't be necessary, since we don't live in one we will have to settle. If we had a truly constitutionally limited federal government we wouldn't need them...we don't have that, and until we do term limits keeps people from abusing federal power for their own gains. If you want a career in government they are there...being a representative in the democracy should not be one of the careers you can choose...it is simply a title.
No one is limiting the amount of jobs you can run for, just the amount of times you can represent the same district in the same position. Get the corporate influence out of the government the need for term limits disappears.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
there is a bill in Congress right now that would make insider trading for political players illegal. That would solve a huge chunk of the problem. quit bitching and write a letter, make a phone call, post stories on your facebook wall. Knowledge IS power. There are just too many apathetic, fair-weather constitutional supporters.
I am not one of them
can't tell if you were speaking to me directly...but I do contact my reps, more than most I would imagine...I attend town hall discussions...I also pay attention to the most important elections...local ones...
I agree that the insider trading bill would help, but it doesn't solve the problem.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Man John Boehner is terrible at hi's job that is one thing no one can dispute !
i think cantor can not wait to stab him in the back and take the speakership from him...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."