Congress accomplished "nothing" in 2011

gimmesometruth27

WaveRyder wrote:

Obama turned his back on 99 percent of what he promised. I was Bush's biggest critic. Im not a party player. I call it like i see. Clinton's first term was our last effective presidency. Reagan's before that. and then u had to go all the way back to eisenhower to find a good one. pull your head out of the two-party system's ass, with all due repsect

obama had to turn his back on 99 percent of what he promised. the GOP threw bullshit provisions into all of the bills that obama wanted to pass. remember extending the bush tax cuts last time?? he had to do that because the gop said the only reason they would vote to extend unemployment benefits is if obama would extend the bush cuts another year. had he said no he would have fucked the unemployed, god knows there are more unemployed that would have been hurt by that than millionaires who would have had their taxes raised..what would you have done in that situation? if i were him i would have had to take that deal because the unemployed are his base and i could not have turned my back on them.

this is an example of the games that the GOP plays. they hold one group of people hostage for political reasons so they can take care of their own supporters...

here is a short list of what he has accomplished in spite of unprescedented hatred and opposition..

http://obamaachievements.org/list

WaveRyder

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

Obama turned his back on 99 percent of what he promised. I was Bush's biggest critic. Im not a party player. I call it like i see. Clinton's first term was our last effective presidency. Reagan's before that. and then u had to go all the way back to eisenhower to find a good one. pull your head out of the two-party system's ass, with all due repsect

obama had to turn his back on 99 percent of what he promised. the GOP threw bullshit provisions into all of the bills that obama wanted to pass. remember extending the bush tax cuts last time?? he had to do that because the gop said the only reason they would vote to extend unemployment benefits is if obama would extend the bush cuts another year. had he said no he would have fucked the unemployed, god knows there are more unemployed that would have been hurt by that than millionaires who would have had their taxes raised..what would you have done in that situation? if i were him i would have had to take that deal because the unemployed are his base and i could not have turned my back on them.

this is an example of the games that the GOP plays. they hold one group of people hostage for political reasons so they can take care of their own supporters...

here is a short list of what he has accomplished in spite of unprescedented hatred and opposition..

http://obamaachievements.org/list

you're still defending the establishment...nothing will change

gimmesometruth27

WaveRyder wrote:

you're still defending the establishment...nothing will change

i hate to burst you or anyone else's bubble, but ron paul is not going to beat obama. i support his foreign policy, but the majority of americans are not going to go along with his domestic policy. the libertarian perspective looks good on paper, but if implements it would be an even greater failure than the current system. and even if he did win the white house, what is one man going to do with a hostile senate and hostile house? look at obama as an example... if paul wins the white house and the same dumbasses are in congress nothing will change.

quimby20

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

you're still defending the establishment...nothing will change

i hate to burst you or anyone else's bubble, but ron paul is not going to beat obama. i support his foreign policy, but the majority of americans are not going to go along with his domestic policy. the libertarian perspective looks good on paper, but if implements it would be an even greater failure than the current system. and even if he did win the white house, what is one man going to do with a hostile senate and hostile house? look at obama as an example... if paul wins the white house and the same dumbasses are in congress nothing will change.

You are very correct. Though I support Paul, he is unelectable.

WaveRyder

quimby20 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

you're still defending the establishment...nothing will change

i hate to burst you or anyone else's bubble, but ron paul is not going to beat obama. i support his foreign policy, but the majority of americans are not going to go along with his domestic policy. the libertarian perspective looks good on paper, but if implements it would be an even greater failure than the current system. and even if he did win the white house, what is one man going to do with a hostile senate and hostile house? look at obama as an example... if paul wins the white house and the same dumbasses are in congress nothing will change.

You are very correct. Though I support Paul, he is unelectable.

umm, he's as electable as Barack Obama was at this point in the game four years ago. How quick we forget. Ronald Reagan was "unelectable." Jimmy Carter was "unelectable." The White House has been filled by many "unelectable" people.

gimmesometruth27

WaveRyder wrote:

umm, he's as electable as Barack Obama was at this point in the game four years ago. How quick we forget. Ronald Reagan was "unelectable." Jimmy Carter was "unelectable." The White House has been filled by many "unelectable" people.

how do you say he is electable now? because he is polling at or near the top in iowa? it took obama awhile to win a primary and look what he did. he defeated the clintons, which nobody was able to do since he was governor of arkansas.

but i stand by my assertion that a paul presidency, domestically speaking, would be a disaster.

now back to the do nothing congress, has anyone heard what mccain said about the gop representatives?

WaveRyder

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

umm, he's as electable as Barack Obama was at this point in the game four years ago. How quick we forget. Ronald Reagan was "unelectable." Jimmy Carter was "unelectable." The White House has been filled by many "unelectable" people.

how do you say he is electable now? because he is polling at or near the top in iowa? it took obama awhile to win a primary and look what he did. he defeated the clintons, which nobody was able to do since he was governor of arkansas.

but i stand by my assertion that a paul presidency, domestically speaking, would be a disaster.

now back to the do nothing congress, has anyone heard what mccain said about the gop representatives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJLHyrecog0 on the question of electability

Newch91

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

now back to the do nothing congress, has anyone heard what mccain said about the gop representatives?

Are you talking about him saying how they're hurting the GOP? Then yes, I heard what he said. It's true.

Sludge Factory

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

what has ron paul accomplished in congress this term????

really, aside from voting with most of the rank and file, what legislation has he authored or sponsored this term?

Wait a second. So you judge a good congressman by how many bills he or she passes, not whether they do their job and uphold their oath to the constitution; striking down bills that are unconstitutional? If you ask me, we need less bullshit bills that nobody reads until after they are passed, not more.

gimmesometruth27

Sludge Factory wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

what has ron paul accomplished in congress this term????

really, aside from voting with most of the rank and file, what legislation has he authored or sponsored this term?

Wait a second. So you judge a good congressman by how many bills he or she passes, not whether they do their job and uphold their oath to the constitution; striking down bills that are unconstitutional? If you ask me, we need less bullshit bills that nobody reads until after they are passed, not more.

no i judge a congressman by how full of shit he/she is....most times these assholes will go on and on about how they love america yet their votes show that they care about the rich and do not care about those that are not rich and might possibly god forbid need government assistance of some sort...i judge boehner as a self serving asshole, and anyone that signed grover norquist's pledge i call a fucking hypocrite, because they swore to never raise taxes on anyone, yet they are completely prepared to raise taxes on millions of americans when the payroll tax exemption expires on jan 1............i ask nothing of you except to prove to me and everyone here that the house gop has the interests of normal middle class americans at heart.....they don't because they would rather see obama fail than do anything to help your average american...and i will say that to ron paul, eric cantor or john boehner's fucking faces...

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

you're still defending the establishment...nothing will change

i hate to burst you or anyone else's bubble, but ron paul is not going to beat obama. i support his foreign policy, but the majority of americans are not going to go along with his domestic policy. the libertarian perspective looks good on paper, but if implements it would be an even greater failure than the current system. and even if he did win the white house, what is one man going to do with a hostile senate and hostile house? look at obama as an example... if paul wins the white house and the same dumbasses are in congress nothing will change.

What evidence do you have that shows it will fail? I am interested, not trying to be confrontational.

I think all the people who constantly rag on and on in immigration threads about the general american feeling that they are the most important and the foreigners do't matter and in those same threads continue to shout out that borders don't matter, while making the point that we are all human...well what is more important to you? some domestic policies that might be a little different(may or may not work, but won't get people blown up) or the guarantee that if ANYONE else wins, Obama - Romney - Bachmann - Gingrich - Santorum... more people on foreign shores will die directly because of American foreign policy.

polaris_x

ron paul can easily beat obama in a presidential election ... i would bet it would be the largest margin of victory as well if it came to the two of them ...

ron paul's biggest hurdle is getting that nomination because the GOP establishment have much more to lose than the democratic one ...

mikepegg44

polaris_x wrote:

ron paul can easily beat obama in a presidential election ... i would bet it would be the largest margin of victory as well if it came to the two of them ...

ron paul's biggest hurdle is getting that nomination because the GOP establishment have much more to lose than the democratic one ...

boom

polaris_x

mikepegg44 wrote:

boom

dude ... did you see the thread about the guy who duct taped his daughters hands together!? ... he got arrested ... i would think twice about posting an avatar like that ...

mikepegg44

polaris_x wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

boom

dude ... did you see the thread about the guy who duct taped his daughters hands together!? ... he got arrested ... i would think twice about posting an avatar like that ...

lol...it is a picture from a moving video....but you are probably right

Sludge Factory

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

what has ron paul accomplished in congress this term????

really, aside from voting with most of the rank and file, what legislation has he authored or sponsored this term?

Wait a second. So you judge a good congressman by how many bills he or she passes, not whether they do their job and uphold their oath to the constitution; striking down bills that are unconstitutional? If you ask me, we need less bullshit bills that nobody reads until after they are passed, not more.

no i judge a congressman by how full of shit he/she is....most times these assholes will go on and on about how they love america yet their votes show that they care about the rich and do not care about those that are not rich and might possibly god forbid need government assistance of some sort...i judge boehner as a self serving asshole, and anyone that signed grover norquist's pledge i call a fucking hypocrite, because they swore to never raise taxes on anyone, yet they are completely prepared to raise taxes on millions of americans when the payroll tax exemption expires on jan 1............i ask nothing of you except to prove to me and everyone here that the house gop has the interests of normal middle class americans at heart.....they don't because they would rather see obama fail than do anything to help your average american...and i will say that to ron paul, eric cantor or john boehner's fucking faces...

Okay, but I hope you realize what you first said doesn't sound anything like that. I also think you should look at Ron Paul's voting record before you spout off falsities about him voting with the rank and file. He was labeled "Dr. No" for a reason and it wasn't because of always falling in line with the rest of the GOP.

Why would I defend the GOP in its entirety, let alone the house GOP? I think the vast majority of them are terrible, but I don't stop there: I also think the vast majority of the democrats are terrible as well. They are both guilty of playing games with the average American's money.

Jason P

Boehner and the GOP House are really fucking up with the payroll tax fiasco. The Democrats have them cornered and if they fail to pass the extension, every worker will see a 2% deduction in their weekly pay ... which is counterproductive to their whole "limited government" battlecry.

I'm getting to the point where I don't even see the value in voting anymore. Every move made is for votes. Nothing is based on common sense and good judgment.

We need a one-term limit and we need it now.

quimby20

Jason P wrote:

Boehner and the GOP House are really fucking up with the payroll tax fiasco. The Democrats have them cornered and if they fail to pass the extension, every worker will see a 2% deduction in their weekly pay ... which is counterproductive to their whole "limited government" battlecry.

I'm getting to the point where I don't even see the value in voting anymore. Every move made is for votes. Nothing is based on common sense and good judgment.

We need a one-term limit and we need it now.

Two Terms with no Pension. Watch who ends up running. People who truly want to help this country

mikepegg44

Jason P wrote:

Boehner and the GOP House are really fucking up with the payroll tax fiasco. The Democrats have them cornered and if they fail to pass the extension, every worker will see a 2% deduction in their weekly pay ... which is counterproductive to their whole "limited government" battlecry.

I'm getting to the point where I don't even see the value in voting anymore. Every move made is for votes. Nothing is based on common sense and good judgment.

We need a one-term limit and we need it now.

Term limits for the win...it should be, and never was supposed to be a career choice to be a senator or rep...

...but back to this bill, it is bigger than a tax cut...it is also about the medicare provision that cuts 27% of the funding to doctors who accept medicare...why extend that two months? what good does that do? why not get all these problems solved instead of just moving them two months? This congress reminds of Reggie Roby...fucking punting all the time

mikepegg44

Jason P wrote:

Boehner and the GOP House are really fucking up with the payroll tax fiasco. The Democrats have them cornered and if they fail to pass the extension, every worker will see a 2% deduction in their weekly pay ... which is counterproductive to their whole "limited government" battlecry.

I'm getting to the point where I don't even see the value in voting anymore. Every move made is for votes. Nothing is based on common sense and good judgment.

We need a one-term limit and we need it now.

Term limits for the win...it should be, and never was supposed to be a career choice to be a senator or rep...

...but back to this bill, it is bigger than a tax cut...it is also about the medicare provision that cuts 27% of the funding to doctors who accept medicare...why extend that two months? what good does that do? why not get all these problems solved instead of just moving them two months? This congress reminds of Reggie Roby...fucking punting all the time