Update! Got back from out of town and was able to inspect the Benny again tonight
So it seems that there isn’t a manual tear in the shrink wrap but, rather someone cut it with a blade or a box cutter. I tried to angle the camera best I could to appreciate. Looks like they also cut into the actual number a bit if you look closely
Was so hard to notice before because it was a perfect linear cut
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II 2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
I read this book on vacation, if you ever wonder why a CD pressed on vinyl is pointless just read this book. NY explains it perfectly in the first three chapters. Anyone who wants to argue “digital is better”, give them this book as a gift lol.
I've wondered this too. Especially with PJ and having released so much stuff in HD FLAC. It'd be prime for high quality record bootlegs.
I've always wondered. Isn't it possible to clone a record? Say you wanted to make a mint. You spring $2000usd for a mint Benaroya, then press a few thousand copies from the analog record (somehow using it as the master, or trying to make a master from it)?
I guess bootleggers go for the easy, but if they put some effort into it, they could do impressive things.
Update! Got back from out of town and was able to inspect the Benny again tonight
So it seems that there isn’t a manual tear in the shrink wrap but, rather someone cut it with a blade or a box cutter. I tried to angle the camera best I could to appreciate. Looks like they also cut into the actual number a bit if you look closely
Was so hard to notice before because it was a perfect linear cut
OK, I thought I saw a tear in it when you first showed it. This proves there is one.
Yes the cut them and then hand wrote a number. ..2000 times, lol.
Update! Got back from out of town and was able to inspect the Benny again tonight
So it seems that there isn’t a manual tear in the shrink wrap but, rather someone cut it with a blade or a box cutter. I tried to angle the camera best I could to appreciate. Looks like they also cut into the actual number a bit if you look closely
Was so hard to notice before because it was a perfect linear cut
Happy for you. Seems legit sealed (if that was important to you). Makes me want to go check mine to see if there's any "damage" to the box!
If I had a vinyl copy of this record set and someone was willing to pay me $1500 for it, I'd sell it without hesitation or regret. 'Be healthy everyone
I read this book on vacation, if you ever wonder why a CD pressed on vinyl is pointless just read this book. NY explains it perfectly in the first three chapters. Anyone who wants to argue “digital is better”, give them this book as a gift lol.
I've wondered this too. Especially with PJ and having released so much stuff in HD FLAC. It'd be prime for high quality record bootlegs.
I've always wondered. Isn't it possible to clone a record? Say you wanted to make a mint. You spring $2000usd for a mint Benaroya, then press a few thousand copies from the analog record (somehow using it as the master, or trying to make a master from it)?
I guess bootleggers go for the easy, but if they put some effort into it, they could do impressive things.
It's funny they are able to take the time to press vinyl. Package vinyl. Produce vinyl. But when it comes to the audio sources used to make the vinyl, they don't inspect, test the audio quality used to make the vinyl. There are ALOT of 24 Bit HD Flac's out there. Surprised they don't use this media for their vinyl pressings.
I have yet seen a bootleg vinyl release of any of Pearl Jam's 2012 to 2018 shows that have been released in 24 Bit Flac-HD. Imagine having a vinyl manufacturing planet & print shop all to your finger tips? I would press ALL Pearl Jam's 2012 & 2018 shows on vinyl, using the 24 Flac-HD's audio.
I cringe when I see some sets on eBay that are in rough shape. I wonder how many have been pretty much destroyed. I saw one set without a box once. Saw another with massive water damage.
Target Center - Jun 30, 1998
Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000
Xcel Energy Center - Jun 16, 2003
United Center - Jun 18, 2003
Fort William Garden - Sep 09, 2005
Xcel Energy Center - Jun 27, 2006
United Center - Aug 23, 2009
Xcel Energy Center - Oct 19, 2014 Xcel Energy Center - August 31, 2023 Xcel Energy Center - September 2, 2023
Can't believe I missed this thread for like... ten years. Please add me! I am #682..... bought from the original onsale when I was an intern working for Rolling Stone Magazine in NYC. It's still in shrink wrap and I can't imagine that I'll EVER sell it
2000: 10/28 San Bernardino 2003: 4/29 Albany, 6/02 Irvine, 6/03 Irvine, 6/05 San Diego, 6/07 Phoenix, 10/28 Santa Barbara 2006: 7/07 San Diego, 7/09 Los Angeles, 7/10 Los Angeles, 7/13 Santa Barbara 2009: 9/30 Universal City, 10/01 Universal City, 10/06 Universal City, 10/07 Universal City, 10/09 San Diego 2010: 5/17 Boston 2011: 9/03 East Troy, 9/04 East Troy 2013: 7/19 Wrigley Field, 10/18 Brooklyn, 11/23 Los Angeles, 11/24 Los Angeles 2016: 5/01 New York, 5/02 New York, 8/07 Fenway Park, 11/14 (TOTD) Los Angeles 2021: 9/26 Ohana, 10/1 Ohana, 10/2 Ohana 2022: 5/06 Los Angeles, 5/07 Los Angeles, 9/11 New York 2024: 5/21 Los Angeles, 5/22 Los Angeles, 9/29 Ohana
Can someone tell me how many of these green-label promos were printed? It's still sealed from 2004. Understandably, I've entered the wrong discussion with these inferior digital LPs. But I was hoping an expert might be able to give me more info.
Can someone tell me how many of these green-label promos were printed? It's still sealed from 2004. Understandably, I've entered the wrong discussion with these inferior digital LPs. But I was hoping an expert might be able to give me more info.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Can someone tell me how many of these green-label promos were printed? It's still sealed from 2004. Understandably, I've entered the wrong discussion with these inferior digital LPs. But I was hoping an expert might be able to give me more info.
Probably quite a few. I have found multiple ones in the used bins through the years. Actually found a sealed one fairly recently. You can get them on Discogs fairly cheap maybe $15.
Can someone tell me how many of these green-label promos were printed? It's still sealed from 2004. Understandably, I've entered the wrong discussion with these inferior digital LPs. But I was hoping an expert might be able to give me more info.
Probably quite a few. I have found multiple ones in the used bins through the years. Actually found a sealed one fairly recently. You can get them on Discogs fairly cheap maybe $15.
Thank you for the reply and the info. I appreciate it. I figured somebody on this thread would have some good info.Thank you, @MedozK.
Can someone tell me how many of these green-label promos were printed? It's still sealed from 2004. Understandably, I've entered the wrong discussion with these inferior digital LPs. But I was hoping an expert might be able to give me more info.
I read this book on vacation, if you ever wonder why a CD pressed on vinyl is pointless just read this book. NY explains it perfectly in the first three chapters. Anyone who wants to argue “digital is better”, give them this book as a gift lol.
I've wondered this too. Especially with PJ and having released so much stuff in HD FLAC. It'd be prime for high quality record bootlegs.
I've always wondered. Isn't it possible to clone a record? Say you wanted to make a mint. You spring $2000usd for a mint Benaroya, then press a few thousand copies from the analog record (somehow using it as the master, or trying to make a master from it)?
I guess bootleggers go for the easy, but if they put some effort into it, they could do impressive things.
There's some Nike/Adidas/other factories where they close for the night. About as soon as that happens, the bootleggers come in, use the same machines with the same materials....they sell that stuff on Amazon or whatever for $40 or $50 vs the $250 or $450 or whatever the real ones fetch.
And you can't even tell the difference.
I'd imagine such could be possible with records, but probably a lot harder. Say someone makes an official order for 6500 copies of their album on green vinyl for RSD. Who's stopping the factory from making another 12k on black vinyl?
It was said previously that a lot of these records are sourced from CD or MP3 or whatever. That's correct. At some point, you're better off streaming the digital files through your amp and playing whatever record with no neighbors. But, what I don't get, is why some of the official records are using digital sources. To me, digital files sort of miss the point of vinyl.
Back in the 50s/60s and even later, they'd use analog all the way into the groove. If you turned your amp all the way down and put your ear to the record, you could hear the audio.
So yeah, if you were really desperate or "needed" everything that said PJ on it, including the bootlegs from 94 that have Eddie from 2006 on the cover or whatever...well, I can't rationalize that.
And yeah, I took a chance many years ago on a non-Benny. It turned out to be a bootleg, but oh well. Lesson learned.
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I read this book on vacation, if you ever wonder why a CD pressed on vinyl is pointless just read this book. NY explains it perfectly in the first three chapters. Anyone who wants to argue “digital is better”, give them this book as a gift lol.
I've wondered this too. Especially with PJ and having released so much stuff in HD FLAC. It'd be prime for high quality record bootlegs.
I've always wondered. Isn't it possible to clone a record? Say you wanted to make a mint. You spring $2000usd for a mint Benaroya, then press a few thousand copies from the analog record (somehow using it as the master, or trying to make a master from it)?
I guess bootleggers go for the easy, but if they put some effort into it, they could do impressive things.
And yeah, I took a chance many years ago on a non-Benny. It turned out to be a bootleg, but oh well. Lesson learned.
Please put me down for 286, PMC 005, and "Tunecore 2020"
I need to figure out how to display my signed copy.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
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Got back from out of town and was able to inspect the Benny again tonight
So it seems that there isn’t a manual tear in the shrink wrap but, rather someone cut it with a blade or a box cutter. I tried to angle the camera best I could to appreciate. Looks like they also cut into the actual number a bit if you look closely
Was so hard to notice before because it was a perfect linear cut
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
Yes the cut them and then hand wrote a number. ..2000 times, lol.
I've had some regrets in my life, but oh boy, that was one of the biggest.
Maybe when I have those Bezos $$ I'll buy it back...
Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000
Xcel Energy Center - Jun 16, 2003
United Center - Jun 18, 2003
Fort William Garden - Sep 09, 2005
Xcel Energy Center - Jun 27, 2006
United Center - Aug 23, 2009
Xcel Energy Center - Oct 19, 2014
Xcel Energy Center - August 31, 2023
Xcel Energy Center - September 2, 2023
Sweet! Welcome to the club!
2003: 4/29 Albany, 6/02 Irvine, 6/03 Irvine, 6/05 San Diego, 6/07 Phoenix, 10/28 Santa Barbara
2006: 7/07 San Diego, 7/09 Los Angeles, 7/10 Los Angeles, 7/13 Santa Barbara
2009: 9/30 Universal City, 10/01 Universal City, 10/06 Universal City, 10/07 Universal City, 10/09 San Diego
2010: 5/17 Boston
2011: 9/03 East Troy, 9/04 East Troy
2013: 7/19 Wrigley Field, 10/18 Brooklyn, 11/23 Los Angeles, 11/24 Los Angeles
2016: 5/01 New York, 5/02 New York, 8/07 Fenway Park, 11/14 (TOTD) Los Angeles
2021: 9/26 Ohana, 10/1 Ohana, 10/2 Ohana
2022: 5/06 Los Angeles, 5/07 Los Angeles, 9/11 New York
2024: 5/21 Los Angeles, 5/22 Los Angeles, 9/29 Ohana
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Thank you.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Please put me down for 286, PMC 005, and "Tunecore 2020"
Damn what a score!!!
There's some Nike/Adidas/other factories where they close for the night. About as soon as that happens, the bootleggers come in, use the same machines with the same materials....they sell that stuff on Amazon or whatever for $40 or $50 vs the $250 or $450 or whatever the real ones fetch.
And you can't even tell the difference.
I'd imagine such could be possible with records, but probably a lot harder. Say someone makes an official order for 6500 copies of their album on green vinyl for RSD. Who's stopping the factory from making another 12k on black vinyl?
It was said previously that a lot of these records are sourced from CD or MP3 or whatever. That's correct. At some point, you're better off streaming the digital files through your amp and playing whatever record with no neighbors. But, what I don't get, is why some of the official records are using digital sources. To me, digital files sort of miss the point of vinyl.
Back in the 50s/60s and even later, they'd use analog all the way into the groove. If you turned your amp all the way down and put your ear to the record, you could hear the audio.
So yeah, if you were really desperate or "needed" everything that said PJ on it, including the bootlegs from 94 that have Eddie from 2006 on the cover or whatever...well, I can't rationalize that.
And yeah, I took a chance many years ago on a non-Benny. It turned out to be a bootleg, but oh well. Lesson learned.
Hampton 2016
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore