BENAROYA HALL LPs - *REVISED/CURRENT* OWNERS' LIST

bazzer

mookeywrench said:

Weston1283 said:

I just acquired 99/2000 - sealed 

No tear in the shrink for the numbering?🤔

That's what I was thinking. It's hard to tell from the photo but if not, seems suspect. Also, even harder to tell, but the shrink doesn't look right either. Different kind of plastic?

Weston1283

There is no tear in the shrink, the shrink is very tight around the record it’s not like the thinner looser shrink wrap 

Weston1283

FR181798

If there was no tear in the shrinkwrap for numbering then looks like someone has redone the shrinkwrap. That kind of thing can add hundreds on to a copy so could see why it is done but dodgy practice. I keep all the shrinkwrap for my stickered records in a box. That way if I sell, one day it will get put back in it or sent to the new owner, people like all those stickers etc.

demetrios

Weston1283 said:

There is no tear in the shrink, the shrink is very tight around the record it’s not like the thinner looser shrink wrap 

That's weird there is no tear in the shrink, especially where it was numbered. 

Weston1283

Hmmm interesting.  Are there any other signs of it being not legit?  Will it be a big deal if I planned to open and spin it anyway?

It came to me from a reputable seller in a reputable group so hoping there was no foul play involved 

cp3iverson

It’s definitely a real, legit copy.  Someone just resealed it.

MedozK

cp3iverson said:

It’s definitely a real, legit copy.  Someone just resealed it.

Great way to charge sealed prices on open items.

demetrios

Weston1283 said:

It came to me from a reputable seller in a reputable group so hoping there was no foul play involved 

Have you contacted 10club? Wonder what they would say.

cp3iverson

MedozK said:

cp3iverson said:

It’s definitely a real, legit copy.  Someone just resealed it.

Great way to charge sealed prices on open items.

This is also true.   He seemed to be asking if it was possibly not a legit copy tho.  He plans on spinning it so that’s good.  It won’t matter anymore, but yeah someone tried to pass this off as sealed. 

Basically if it’s numbered or labeled for a Pop Up shop it’s going to have a tear. If it’s not numbered it wont have a tear.  

YourDirtisMyfood

looks like there's a bidding going on now on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347542294?hash=item42346f2b16:g:dDUAAOSwpGFgg30m

MedozK

YourDirtisMyfood said:

looks like there's a bidding going on now on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347542294?hash=item42346f2b16:g:dDUAAOSwpGFgg30m

I can’t believe people pay resell prices for garbage bootlegs. Play the CD, that is what your buying, but now with surface noise.. lol

1ThoughtKnown

MedozK said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

looks like there's a bidding going on now on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347542294?hash=item42346f2b16:g:dDUAAOSwpGFgg30m

I can’t believe people pay resell prices for garbage bootlegs. Play the CD, that is what your buying, but now with surface noise.. lol

It’s mind boggling really. But then again I had to learn the hard way with a couple of DOL and PanAm purchases. I didn’t do my research. But if you KNOW it’s a bootleg you have to know it’s from a CD

PB11041

MedozK said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

looks like there's a bidding going on now on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347542294?hash=item42346f2b16:g:dDUAAOSwpGFgg30m

I can’t believe people pay resell prices for garbage bootlegs. Play the CD, that is what your buying, but now with surface noise.. lol

It is absolutely remarkable, but there are fools born every minute.  I laugh everytime I see someone posting on some of these facebook groups for Vinyl and saying how incredible it is to hear it on vinyl when it is demonstrably inferior sounding vinyl replicated from almost assuredly an MP3 a cd if you are lucky.  They have confused seeing with hearing.

SHZA

And some of us laugh at self-proclaimed audiophiles who claim to be able to tell which is which but then flunk a blind test 

PB11041

SHZA said:

And some of us laugh at self-proclaimed audiophiles who claim to be able to tell which is which but then flunk a blind test 

you don't need to be an "audiophile" self proclaimed or otherwise do know listening to garbage is garbage

Zod

I think it's more subjective.

Its not like CD's are bad.  Sure is a cheap way to source a bootleg vinyl, but if done right the vinyl can sound pretty good.  Plus if it's sourced from a CD that predates the loudness war, that vinyl might sound better, than say a modern vinyl that has loudness issues.

I do find it amazing, that we grew up in a time when mixes were done better, and you didn't need different mixes for CD, digital, and vinyl.   Some of Brenden O' Brien's early/mid 90's albums, were the best mixes I've ever heard.  Regardless of the format.

1ThoughtKnown

PB11041 said:

SHZA said:

And some of us laugh at self-proclaimed audiophiles who claim to be able to tell which is which but then flunk a blind test 

you don't need to be an "audiophile" self proclaimed or otherwise do know listening to garbage is garbage

demetrios

MedozK said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

looks like there's a bidding going on now on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347542294?hash=item42346f2b16:g:dDUAAOSwpGFgg30m

I can’t believe people pay resell prices for garbage bootlegs. Play the CD, that is what your buying, but now with surface noise.. lol

It's sad those who do buy off eBay at those prices don't google & search online record stores. There are still online record stores, in the USA, that are selling these copies for $69 bucks, US. My local record record store still is selling copies. Just go to your local record store. They will have copies. I won't be surprised if Easy Street Records are selling copies right now.

1ThoughtKnown

demetrios said:

MedozK said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

looks like there's a bidding going on now on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347542294?hash=item42346f2b16:g:dDUAAOSwpGFgg30m

I can’t believe people pay resell prices for garbage bootlegs. Play the CD, that is what your buying, but now with surface noise.. lol

It's sad those who do buy off eBay at those prices don't google & search online record stores. There are still online record stores, in the USA, that are selling these copies for $69 bucks, US. My local record record store still is selling copies. Just go to your local record store. They will have copies. I won't be surprised if Easy Street Records are selling copies right now.

Point is, the CD is way cheaper than $69 and that is what you are getting. If you don’t own a CD player.. buy one instead of getting ripped off buying cds pressed to wax. 

demetrios

1ThoughtKnown said:

demetrios said:

MedozK said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

looks like there's a bidding going on now on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347542294?hash=item42346f2b16:g:dDUAAOSwpGFgg30m

I can’t believe people pay resell prices for garbage bootlegs. Play the CD, that is what your buying, but now with surface noise.. lol

It's sad those who do buy off eBay at those prices don't google & search online record stores. There are still online record stores, in the USA, that are selling these copies for $69 bucks, US. My local record record store still is selling copies. Just go to your local record store. They will have copies. I won't be surprised if Easy Street Records are selling copies right now.

Point is, the CD is way cheaper than $69 and that is what you are getting. If you don’t own a CD player.. buy one instead of getting ripped off buying cds pressed to wax. 

Oh big time! They are so cheap on eBay. A sealed CD sold for $6.96 US, from a seller in UK.

MedozK

demetrios said:

MedozK said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

looks like there's a bidding going on now on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347542294?hash=item42346f2b16:g:dDUAAOSwpGFgg30m

I can’t believe people pay resell prices for garbage bootlegs. Play the CD, that is what your buying, but now with surface noise.. lol

It's sad those who do buy off eBay at those prices don't google & search online record stores. There are still online record stores, in the USA, that are selling these copies for $69 bucks, US. My local record record store still is selling copies. Just go to your local record store. They will have copies. I won't be surprised if Easy Street Records are selling copies right now.

What I can’t believe is a reputable store like Easy Street, one that is well known with the band would sell a counterfeit release. I guess they do whatever to pay the bills.

FR181798

Call me cynical but I honestly dont believe that many people buy vinyl for the sound quality these days. People like physical things and collecting things. Out of all formats its the nicest to look at. Then there's a perceived coolness to it. Then you have limited editions and dare I say it (increase in value). Then you have the thrill of hunting down records and finding something unexpected.
It does feel like a better experience, the whole process of setting it up and sitting down and listening. You tend to listen from start to finish, no skipping tracks but the sound quality is a thing a lot of people talk about whereas Im thinking in reality its quite low down the list for many.

Nothing cool about counterfeit vinyl. Doesnt tick any boxes for me and wouldnt want it on my shelves.

1ThoughtKnown

FR181798 said:

Call me cynical but I honestly dont believe that many people buy vinyl for the sound quality these days. People like physical things and collecting things. Out of all formats its the nicest to look at. Then there's a perceived coolness to it. Then you have limited editions and dare I say it (increase in value). Then you have the thrill of hunting down records and finding something unexpected.
It does feel like a better experience, the whole process of setting it up and sitting down and listening. You tend to listen from start to finish, no skipping tracks but the sound quality is a thing a lot of people talk about whereas Im thinking in reality its quite low down the list for many.

Nothing cool about counterfeit vinyl. Doesnt tick any boxes for me and wouldnt want it on my shelves.

There is probably a lot of truth in what you are saying. As the old saying goes “a fool and their money are soon parted”.  They pay for an inferior product for the coolness factor not caring where the money goes or the quality of the pressing. 

cp3iverson

I love live music on vinyl so i can admit that i own some bootlegs. 

A few Replacements ones
Pearl Jam Melbourne 3/5/98 

they’re fun if you know what to expect.  Anyone paying more than $20 for one tho is either a fool or loves live vinyl way more than me (or both?). I had a free copy of this Benny one.  It’s a CD rip with a definite pressing issue on one song. If it was official there’d definitely be audiophiles asking for refunds. 

MedozK

cp3iverson said:

I love live music on vinyl so i can admit that i own some bootlegs. 

A few Replacements ones
Pearl Jam Melbourne 3/5/98 

they’re fun if you know what to expect.  Anyone paying more than $20 for one tho is either a fool or loves live vinyl way more than me (or both?). I had a free copy of this Benny one.  It’s a CD rip with a definite pressing issue on one song. If it was official there’d definitely be audiophiles asking for refunds. 

I also have the Melbourne one. I am much more ok with radio broadcast that fall in the grey area for pressings, and that one does sound nice. However an official release that is pressed counterfeit style… is garbage to me.

1ThoughtKnown

I read this book on vacation, if you ever wonder why a CD pressed on vinyl is pointless just read this book. NY explains it perfectly in the first three chapters. Anyone who wants to argue “digital is better”, give them this book as a gift lol. 

SHZA

Except his explanation is based on myths and inaccuracies 

https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/book-review-neil-youngs-to-feel-the-music-a-songwriters-mission-to-save-high-quality-audio-r834/

1ThoughtKnown

SHZA said:

Except his explanation is based on myths and inaccuracies 

https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/book-review-neil-youngs-to-feel-the-music-a-songwriters-mission-to-save-high-quality-audio-r834/

I’m not reading a book review hack tell me NY is wrong. He’s no expert. 

If you like streaming music and CDs have atter pal. If you want to buy records pressed from a CD source have atter pal. 

demetrios

1ThoughtKnown said:

I read this book on vacation, if you ever wonder why a CD pressed on vinyl is pointless just read this book. NY explains it perfectly in the first three chapters. Anyone who wants to argue “digital is better”, give them this book as a gift lol. 

Never read this one. Yes it blows bootleggers who press vinyl from CD source rips but are there no bootleg vinyl pressed releases using 24Bit 192kHz FLAC sources? High quality digital audio is out there. Very easy to fine. Sucks if those manufacturing these colored vinyl releases not use 24Bit audio sources.