Embarrassment

Mikee J

I have wanted to post something like the OP ever since the Q&A. It was a totaly embarassment.

The bickering towards the end was just awful.

Thank you for posting this, you have my full support.

UKpearljammer

Agreed, why for once people couldn't just leave the thread alone if they didn't have anything constructive to say I don't know. I wonder what the band think of us, I feel embarrassed by some of the actions of people on this board.

onebadbootleg

Yep, asking the band and their manager pertinent and difficult questions is abominable. You all are right. No one should ever question anything this band/club/management does. Even if tens of thousands of people pay 50 bucks a year to keep the club going.

Tboz51

DS1119 wrote:

Good post. I did post a stupid question to Mr. Curtis and in hindsight probably shouldn't have and you're right. I'm a joking person by nature but it wasn't the right time. Sorry to you and anyone else that feels disrespected. Was not my intention at all. Sorry again.


David

You a-hole

Spiritual_Chaos

onebadbootleg wrote:

Yep, asking the band and their manager pertinent and difficult questions is abominable. You all are right. No one should ever question anything this band/club/management does. Even if tens of thousands of people pay 50 bucks a year to keep the club going.

+1

Mikee J

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

onebadbootleg wrote:

Yep, asking the band and their manager pertinent and difficult questions is abominable. You all are right. No one should ever question anything this band/club/management does. Even if tens of thousands of people pay 50 bucks a year to keep the club going.

+1

It wasn't your questions it was your (and others) continual bickering that took over the Q&A and made it almost impossible to decifer what was going on. Why couldnt you have done that somewhere else instead of highjacking the thread with insane BS about whether you were being negative or not!? It was a Q&A with Kelly Curtis not the f#*#ing Spiritual Chaos and friends show!

Spiritual_Chaos

Mikee J wrote:

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

onebadbootleg wrote:

Yep, asking the band and their manager pertinent and difficult questions is abominable. You all are right. No one should ever question anything this band/club/management does. Even if tens of thousands of people pay 50 bucks a year to keep the club going.

+1

It wasn't your questions it was your (and others) continual bickering that took over the Q&A and made it almost impossible to decifer what was going on. Why couldnt you have done that somewhere else instead of highjacking the thread with insane BS about whether you were being negative or not!? It was a Q&A with Kelly Curtis not the f#*#ing Spiritual Chaos and friends show!

1. Ok, Sorry if you feel that way. But if tou read the thread I was "attacked" and merely repsonded to that. There was plenty of questions throughout the first couple of pages that did not get answers. the attack and my response came late-late in that thread. Had KC not left at that point even?
2. Did I not ask questions? Before someone "attacked" me?
3. I could without problem decifer alot of great questions even though people, these "the f#*#ing Spiritual Chaos and friends show!" - also discussed other things.
4. I think, what was worse than this bickering, was all the questions people re-posted or wanted clarified because vague answers were given. So, this "bickering" "took over" a Q&A with someone who didn't seem all that interested in stratightforward communication to begin with. Or am i wrong?
5. But hey, they may or may not play the south...

Mikee J

It was neither the time nor the place, you could have just said "you know what, this is not for now, lets have this conversation on another thread".

Spiritual_Chaos

Mikee J wrote:

It was neither the time nor the place, you could have just said "you know what, this is not for now, lets have this conversation on another thread".

yeah, I agree on that. And sorry for it. But, I still don't think it *"derailed" the thread. But yes, you're right.

papa_pearls_jam.pj20

onebadbootleg wrote:

Yep, asking the band and their manager pertinent and difficult questions is abominable. You all are right. No one should ever question anything this band/club/management does. Even if tens of thousands of people pay 50 bucks a year to keep the club going.

Well said. As if one spending money on a fan club, albums, tickets, merch, etc. should entitle one to dictate how a band conducts their business or, for that matter, which songs they want to play at their concerts.

Eddie commented on night two of PJ20 at Alpine Valley about the band having a feeling of rebirth, like a new beginning. Then, he played a song that he just wrote a few hours before.

"So glad we made it/'til when it all got good."

Here's to the posimists. F**k the pessimists, f**k'em.

Sawyer

where did this 'I am going to be a sheep' philosophy get its origin around here?

gndcd402

papa_pearls_jam.pj20 wrote:

onebadbootleg wrote:

Yep, asking the band and their manager pertinent and difficult questions is abominable. You all are right. No one should ever question anything this band/club/management does. Even if tens of thousands of people pay 50 bucks a year to keep the club going.

Well said. As if one spending money on a fan club, albums, tickets, merch, etc. should entitle one to dictate how a band conducts their business or, for that matter, which songs they want to play at their concerts.

Eddie commented on night two of PJ20 at Alpine Valley about the band having a feeling of rebirth, like a new beginning. Then, he played a song that he just wrote a few hours before.

"So glad we made it/'til when it all got good."

Here's to the posimists. F**k the pessimists, f**k'em.

this guy obviously does not understand sarcasm

josevolution

whaooo the OP is totally on point, the discussion should of just been about EUROPE tickets and some of you did highjack the thread with bullshit ??? ....

sheehand901

Well, well put. I don't post that often (but read a lot of the posts). But when things like ticket sales don't go as planned, there is a huge outpouring of negativity and hostility. I am grateful to be a part of 10C and have the opportunity to get tickets to shows in advance. (PJ20 was just fantastic!!!!!) Sending the positive vibe out to all of you during this holiday season.

Dan

Mamasan80

I didn't read any of Kelly's original thread... and I don't plan on revisiting it. I read and (admittedly) harshly critiqued the summary of what he had to say.

The fact that so many people have become sheep to this band is what enables them to continue to use this flawed business model. You all claim how much the band does for you, and how much they care about you - which I find amazing, considering all of the problems in the last year have to do with the band NOT understanding their fan base. Underproducing the PJ20 Blu Ray, the PJ20 Backpack, the PJ20 vinyl, using ticketing systems that aren't capable of handling a band of their popularity... but yeah, you guys are right, they're so in tune with you, and you should continue to blindly thank them for everything they do for you.

You talk about the negativity, but the sheep are what makes it so negative. No matter how well thought out a negative post is, it never leads to rational discourse on this board... it is instead attacked by a pack of woo boys that are incapable of doing anything but praising Pearl Jam, and then the "negative' poster goes on the defensive, and things just get out of control, as it spirals into defensive anger and hateful comments. If we could just find a middle ground where we could openly talk about both the POSITIVES and the NEGATIVES of Pearl Jam as a business organization in 2011, we might actually have an interesting message board. Instead, we have groups of people living only on each extreme, and bashing the people on the other side. Sweet!

fox_mulderX

kiss asses are just as bad as the pricks.

let me know if you receive a present for posting starting this thread and maybe i'll try it : )

Heisenberg

Mamasan80 wrote:

I didn't read any of Kelly's original thread... and I don't plan on revisiting it.

Enough said right there.

Nowhere did I say that I had a problem with people questiong or criticizing the band or the 10C's handling of recent sales. What I have a problem with is the immature and self-involved way that many of you go about doing it. People ranted and raved on here for 2 days about how "people need to be held accountable", "heads need to roll", we need answers!" then when you get what you want and someone actually tries to address some concerns YOU said you wanted addressed, people end up making a mockery of it by flooding the thread with self-involved, egotistical, and and smart ass remarks and comments. Then those same people strut around like peacocks talking about how high and mighty they are like they actually accomplished something.

You guys have as much right to be here is anyone and I personally don't really care what your opinion about the band, the club, or anything else is. My question is though...if you honestly hate the club, if you think the band are greedy and disinterested, then why are you here? Why do you keep paying the fees and going through this if it makes you so miserable? Actually...ya know what, strike that...I'm not interested enough to hear your reasons.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I find it so odd that anyone who disagrees with PJ and the management are called haters, and the ones who agree with them are called sheep.

aren't we above this, people?

Better Dan

Mamasan80 wrote:

I didn't read any of Kelly's original thread... and I don't plan on revisiting it. I read and (admittedly) harshly critiqued the summary of what he had to say.

No matter how well thought out a negative post is, it never leads to rational discourse on this board... it is instead attacked by a pack of woo boys that are incapable of doing anything but praising Pearl Jam, and then the "negative' poster goes on the defensive, and things just get out of control, as it spirals into defensive anger and hateful comments. If we could just find a middle ground where we could openly talk about both the POSITIVES and the NEGATIVES of Pearl Jam as a business organization in 2011, we might actually have an interesting message board. Instead, we have groups of people living only on each extreme, and bashing the people on the other side. Sweet!

I agree with this 100 percent!! This has long been what frustrates me about other fans on the board. When someone brings up a valid concern or criticisism in a thoughtful and respectful manner, they get slammed by others..told to shut up..told to just quit etc....Just look at the Blu Ray thread...people go into the petition just to slam those who want more blu rays produced..what is the reason for this??

When people are rude about their complaints, then fine I understand..but many people are just voicing their opinions and don't deserve to be attacked for it..from either side!

bicyclejoe

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