Self defense. Woman shoots and kills intruder. 911 audio

Cosmo

usamamasan1 wrote:

"Cosmo wrote:

i understand that not all cops are good... but, i have more faith in them handling a volatile situation than some random fucking yahoo, carrying a gun, just waiting for a situation to fire it.

a random fucking yahoo? It was very fortuante cops happened to be nearby working on a set...

Seems to me if they weren't there, you would have prefered to have this crazy man, after he unloaded his clip, cutting people at will until a cop arrived. However long that may be.
Not sure responsible gun owners who carry are "just waiting for a situation to fire it". That is not why they carry. They carry for protection in the unfortunate event they may be forced to use it. But, don't want to get you confused with reality and very quick to judge i might add.

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That's my point... 'Not Every Gun Owner is a RESPONSIBLE Gun Owner' (or are they?). I have no idea what your personal gun regiment is or how proficient you are at shooting dimes... just like I have no fucking clue what ANY random, gun carrying fuck's gun proficiency is. I just know the likelihood of stray bullets increases with the greater number of bullets flying through the air. Based on simple math... where, More guns firing at the same time = more fucking bullets flying through the air.
In your arguement... EVERY Gun Owner (every one with a CCW permit) is as highly trained and proficient and level headed and cool under fire as you are. Is that a fact? Because if it is... I'd like you to show me where it is... so I won't be so judgemental.

usamamasan1

Cosmo wrote:

In your arguement... EVERY Gun Owner (every one with a CCW permit) is as highly trained and proficient and level headed and cool under fire as you are..

wrong again. Never said that.

You made it about me....see below. Not every responsible gun owner.

your baiting is weak

Cosmo wrote:

Want the Truth? I distrust your judgement.
I'm not saying you would go out in public, committing crimes... i'm saying that I don't trust your judgement regarding the use of a loaded weapon in public. If there is a serious situation, such as some nut on Vine Street, firing randomly at passing cars... I don't want you, your hero complex and your gun out there, adding more bullets into the air.
I don't want you, deciding on your own, to patrol the streets where I live with your loaded guns. If you want to do that, then join the police force as a fully trained, oath-sworned, uniformed officer. I have no problem with cops... I have problems with cop wannabes.

carry on, I am not going to play your game.

keeponrockin

I just can't imagine living life thinking I needed to carry a gun to feel safe. One thing I love about living in Canada, I've walked around the biggest cities up here at 2 am, never thought I'd be safer if I had a gun. In fact, I've never really felt in any danger at all! If someone were to hold me up, so be it, they can take my wallet (which, if I'm out at 2 am, has probably been emptied at the bar).

usamamasan1

you can't have a firearm in a bar or carry one while intoxitated. Only crimanals can.

but i guess that's not the point. I am one of the few here who speaks of responisble gun ownership.

EmBleve

keeponrockin wrote:

I just can't imagine living life thinking I needed to carry a gun to feel safe. One thing I love about living in Canada, I've walked around the biggest cities up here at 2 am, never thought I'd be safer if I had a gun. In fact, I've never really felt in any danger at all! If someone were to hold me up, so be it, they can take my wallet (which, if I'm out at 2 am, has probably been emptied at the bar).

I agree with the carrying a gun part. Having one in my house, yes, but not carrying it around; it ups the ante on what may happen, imo. When living in New Orleans, I have walked home alone at 3am and I felt the same way.

keeponrockin

usamamasan1 wrote:

you can't have a firearm in a bar or carry one while intoxitated. Only crimanals can.

but i guess that's not the point. I am one of the few here who speaks of responisble gun ownership.

I was speaking more generally, I just can't see a situation where I'd feel more safer if I was carrying a gun, period.

usamamasan1

Cavstarr313 wrote:

"IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A GUN AND NOT NEED IT THAN TO NEED A GUN AND NOT HAVE IT"

I don't know what kind of lollypop and rainbow world some people are living in, but around these parts CCW's are making a difference..

JonnyPistachio

Cosmo wrote:

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That's my point... 'Not Every Gun Owner is a RESPONSIBLE Gun Owner' (or are they?). I have no idea what your personal gun regiment is or how proficient you are at shooting dimes... just like I have no fucking clue what ANY random, gun carrying fuck's gun proficiency is. I just know the likelihood of stray bullets increases with the greater number of bullets flying through the air. Based on simple math... where, More guns firing at the same time = more fucking bullets flying through the air.
In your arguement... EVERY Gun Owner (every one with a CCW permit) is as highly trained and proficient and level headed and cool under fire as you are. Is that a fact? Because if it is... I'd like you to show me where it is... so I won't be so judgemental.

I agree, and although umamasan you sound like a responsible gun owner, when it comes to something as deangerous as a firearm, I think you have to be leary about the average person. think about your average joe schmo on the street. Would you want most of these people waving guns around? I bet there are a lot of stupid people out there that wouldnt be able to think beyond their target in a pressure situation in public.

Personally, most of the gun owners I know, I would not want to be around if they pulled their gun out in public. Even the friends I have who own them, I wouldnt likely trust with a gun in a pressure situation. Mostly because NONE of then have EVER been in a pressure situation. How do you guage how someone weill react if its never happened to them. in my opnion, more bullets = bad, in most cases.

keeponrockin

usamamasan1 wrote:

Cavstarr313 wrote:

"IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A GUN AND NOT NEED IT THAN TO NEED A GUN AND NOT HAVE IT"

I don't know what kind of lollypop and rainbow world some people are living in, but around these parts CCW's are making a difference..

What if one has a gun and uses it irresponsibly, or there's some sort of accident? What if a guy has a permit and shoots the wrong guy? Then is it better to have a gun and not need it?

A responsible gun owner is only responsible until he or she fucks up...

Cosmo

You got the ball rolling with this post:

usamamasan1 wrote:

unrelated, but this is a perfect example of why it is so fucked that I can't carry my firearm, but the criminal can. This just happened a mile away from where I work but I have to keep my firearm at home? Fucking California....
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... -head.html

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You infer that had you been on the scene, with your gun... you would have been able to do something about it.
I distrust your judgement in a volatile situation as I would distrust ANYONE in a volatile situation. Although not all cops are perfect, I believe they are the ones that are probably the best suited to deal with it... not some random gun owner (such as yourself).
I have no problem with you... or any gun owner, protecting your homes from intruders. I don't want just anyone who owns a gun (including you) to be roaming the street with loaded guns in the same city where i (and my neices and nephews) live.
You may think having more guns out there makes you safer... I disagree. I think that YOU feel safer carrying a loaded weapon on your person at all times... but, how am I supposed to know are different than any other yahoo who legally owns a gun? And I believe the city of Los Angeles has a lot of leagally owned firearms in the hands of people who really shouldn't own a gun.

usamamasan1

Recession-driven cutbacks in state and local law enforcement budgets have made my right to self defense under the Second Amendment even more important.

People need the ability to defend themselves probably now more than ever.

keeponrockin

Just what we need, some guy who thinks he knows what he's doing to add another gun to a situation...

catefrances

usamamasan1 wrote:

unrelated, but this is a perfect example of why it is so fucked that I can't carry my firearm, but the criminal can. This just happened a mile away from where I work but I have to keep my firearm at home? Fucking California....
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... -head.html

im pretty sure criminals arent 'allowed' to carry firearms. im pretty sure if theyre caught carrying a firearm they get into at least as much trouble as if joe citizen was carrying. i dont think criminals get special dispensation cause its a requirement of their 'job' that they be armed.

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

im pretty sure criminals arent 'allowed' to carry firearms. im pretty sure if theyre caught carrying a firearm they get into at least as much trouble as if joe citizen was carrying. i dont think criminals get special dispensation cause its a requirement of their 'job' that they be armed.

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More info is coming out on the shooter, sounds like suicide by Cop...I still need to verify where/how he obtained the .40 caliber pistol that is the murder weapon:
Rev. Ian Garancheski was shocked to hear the news coming out of Los Angeles about his friend Tyler Brehm.
"It's just crazy," the Carlisle man said tonight. "This does not sound like anything he would do."
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The Times reported Brehm's ex-girlfriend, Alicia Alligood, 24, told KTLA-TV Channel 5 that she and Brehm dated for four years before breaking up this month.

"He was screaming he was going to die and that he wanted to die," Gregory Bojorquez, a photographer who captured images of the shooting's aftermath, told the Los Angeles Times.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

catefrances wrote:

im pretty sure criminals arent 'allowed' to carry firearms. im pretty sure if theyre caught carrying a firearm they get into at least as much trouble as if joe citizen was carrying. i dont think criminals get special dispensation cause its a requirement of their 'job' that they be armed.

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More info is coming out on the shooter, sounds like suicide by Cop...I still need to verify where/how he obtained the .40 caliber pistol that is the murder weapon:
Rev. Ian Garancheski was shocked to hear the news coming out of Los Angeles about his friend Tyler Brehm.
"It's just crazy," the Carlisle man said tonight. "This does not sound like anything he would do."
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The Times reported Brehm's ex-girlfriend, Alicia Alligood, 24, told KTLA-TV Channel 5 that she and Brehm dated for four years before breaking up this month.

"He was screaming he was going to die and that he wanted to die," Gregory Bojorquez, a photographer who captured images of the shooting's aftermath, told the Los Angeles Times.

oh we had one of those suicide by cop scenarios in our suburb not that long ago. the young guy was known to us and fortunately the cops talked him down, no one was shot and everyones still alive. hail hail!!

keeponrockin

catefrances wrote:

oh we had one of those suicide by cop scenarios in our suburb not that long ago. the young guy was known to us and fortunately the cops talked him down, no one was shot and everyones still alive. hail hail!!

THank god there were no skilled marksman in the area...

pandora

EmBleve wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

Good for the woman for protecting herself in the op, and if someone breaks into MY house, the same damn thing is going to happen to them.

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And you should... should you decide to use that strategy for home defense.

I wouldn't exactly be thrilled to do that at all, but if a guy is continuing to come into my house after I have shot a warning shot and the police or law enforcement are not there and I need to protect myself and my family, then, yes hell, the person will get shot.

This kind of the whole point
police are not there out on the streets, count it a miracle if you are so lucky.
I mean really :?

They respond to crime after the fact in most cases.
After the rape, after the robbery, after the murder, in too many cases.

If there is a well trained citizen who can meet violence with violence
and save a life or save someone horrible trauma
well how and why would anyone find fault with that?

Is it out of fear that too many will have guns?
That there is a fear something bad might happen?

Well there is tons of bad stuff happening... look around. We need to stop that bad stuff
from happening in a responsible way. Jump on it and not allow it to happen to
each other. Stop crime while it is happening, stop them dead in their tracks.

With proper training and gun ownership citizens can do this.
That is certainly better than where we are now.

And to the people who say they are safe walking home in the wee hours of the morning...
hope you didn't just jinx yourself cause crime is a surprise
One you don't want to experience but likely will some day.

When you are looking at death you might just wish for a hero.
God bless the heros!

usamamasan1

WOOT!

Cosmo

keeponrockin wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh we had one of those suicide by cop scenarios in our suburb not that long ago. the young guy was known to us and fortunately the cops talked him down, no one was shot and everyones still alive. hail hail!!

THank god there were no skilled marksman in the area...

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It still needs to be verified if the gunman in Hollywood was the legal owner of the gun or not.
If the case turns out to be he stole the gun or obtained it illegally... he is a criminal.
If he legally owned the gun... his initial crime was taking the loaded weapon into the street without a permit. Firing it at people made him a criminal.
For all we know... he was a law abiding citizen... with full rights to gun ownership... until he stepped out his front door with that loaded weapon.

catefrances

keeponrockin wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh we had one of those suicide by cop scenarios in our suburb not that long ago. the young guy was known to us and fortunately the cops talked him down, no one was shot and everyones still alive. hail hail!!

THank god there were no skilled marksman in the area...

we dont have guns. the australian govt took them off us after martin bryant killed 35 people down in tasmania back in 1996.