I hunt. (not really, I shoot/harvest animals on my acreage)
I own guns.
I hunt to hone survival skills and marksmanship skills, mostly, to be prepared in the event the grocery store is closed. Dont get me wrong, i love some young doe...
OR, more importantly, if "shit" hits the fan and some thugs think that the "place with lights on/generators) is a good target.
She didn't have to kill the guy. Her motives were clearly sinister. She should have shot him in a non-lethal spot,or just let him take what he wanted, as he probably needed it more than she did.
I know you are entitled to your opinion, and you may really think she was sinister in her motives. I disagree.
But as to the bold part,
1st. You always should shoot center mass. You should never pull the trigger in a self defense situation trying to simply hurt someone. they tell you as much in a hand to hand situation as well. If you are forced to fight for you life, you put the other guy down and make sure he stays there...if that means a few extra punches, a little longer on a choke hold, or one in the chest...so be it...the guy shouldn't have been attacking. It isn't the movies, people who have weapons in their homes aren't trained in pressure situations most of the time, things kick in and shooting center mass is the best way to hit the target. This guy put himself in that situation and was killed...it is a tragedy no doubt, but I would say it is worse for the the innocent woman who now has to live with having killed a person because of that persons selfish actions.
2nd. and most importantly, if the guy wanted to be alive he should have not tried to break into someones house he deemed an easy target. Need doesn't make it ok to steal and terrify.
I wonder what would have happened if he simply asked this woman for help if he was truly needy...based on his ignoring of the warning shots I would guess he couldn't have cared less about stuff and simply wanted to hurt her...i could be wrong, and you could be right, but I think the odds are in my favor on this one.
To each his own though I suppose. You could be right, and she could be a cold blooded murderer.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I hunt. (not really, I shoot/harvest animals on my acreage)
I own guns.
I hunt to hone survival skills and marksmanship skills, mostly, to be prepared in the event the grocery store is closed. Dont get me wrong, i love some young doe...
OR, more importantly, if "shit" hits the fan and some thugs think that the "place with lights on/generators) is a good target.
I hunt. (not really, I shoot/harvest animals on my acreage)
I own guns.
I hunt to hone survival skills and marksmanship skills, mostly, to be prepared in the event the grocery store is closed. Dont get me wrong, i love some young doe...
OR, more importantly, if "shit" hits the fan and some thugs think that the "place with lights on/generators) is a good target.
I am an American. I will defend.
I will defend.
...
Riverside? Or Palmdale? Sounds more like Victorville.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
In these two attacks 14people where killed while Colombine allowing there where 14 people killed ans 25 injured, there is no doubt that guns are far more lethal than knives. Having a hand gun in the home or a rifle for hunting is completely different to open carrying of handguns
Personally... if someone keeps loaded firearms in their home for protection... fine... no problem. Intruders need to understand that they run the risk of armed response when they illegally enter someone else's home.
But... i really don't want these civilian vigilante types, wandering around the city I live in, stroking their stock, just looking for someone to shoot. I mistrust their judgement as much as I mistrust the criminal's judgement.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Personally... if someone keeps loaded firearms in their home for protection... fine... no problem. Intruders need to understand that they run the risk of armed response when they illegally enter someone else's home.
But... i really don't want these civilian vigilante types, wandering around the city I live in, stroking their stock, just looking for someone to shoot. I mistrust their judgement as much as I mistrust the criminal's judgement.
not to mention the possibility of innocent bystanders being caught in the crossfire
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
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lie beside me
i just need to say
the students here at Georgia Tech in downtown Atlanta
are rallying to carry firearms on campus
crime is definitely on the rise around the school
while its all well and good having a gun in your own home, this is just a recipe for disaster
If this gets passed anyone carrying will need to be well trained
not just on the use of a gun but also the laws so the victim realizes
they can not shoot someone unless they fear for their lives
or fear for great bodily harm.
This type of training should be made apart of gun ownership.
We need to empower our citizens who live on the right side of law.
Criminals will always have guns, time to take back the streets.
It is only getting worse.
It could be your girl raped, your mother terrorized,
your father beaten left for dead in an alley for a watch and a wedding ring
or less.
Whomever thinks this woman is the least bit guilty needs to meditate for awhile
and picture their own mother at the hands of this man entering her apartment.
Feel what she feels, and know you are putting your trust in the wrong person.
The perp here was on a mission ... 2 warning bullets didn't even stop him.
In my opinion, doing a bunch of what if's is ridiculous, properly train gun owners,
allow them to carry to protect themselves, their loved ones and maybe even yours
or mine.
the students here at Georgia Tech in downtown Atlanta
are rallying to carry firearms on campus
crime is definitely on the rise around the school
while its all well and good having a gun in your own home, this is just a recipe for disaster
If this gets passed anyone carrying will need to be well trained
not just on the use of a gun but also the laws so the victim realizes
they can not shoot someone unless they fear for their lives
or fear for great bodily harm.
This type of training should be made apart of gun ownership.
We need to empower our citizens who live on the right side of law.
Criminals will always have guns, time to take back the streets.
It is only getting worse.
It could be your girl raped, your mother terrorized,
your father beaten left for dead in an alley for a watch and a wedding ring
or less.
Whomever thinks this woman is the least bit guilty needs to meditate for awhile
and picture their own mother at the hands of this man entering her apartment.
Feel what she feels, and know you are putting your trust in the wrong person.
The perp here was on a mission ... 2 warning bullets didn't even stop him.
In my opinion, doing a bunch of what if's is ridiculous, properly train gun owners,
allow them to carry to protect themselves, their loved ones and maybe even yours
or mine.
Sensationalist bullshit if ever I heard it, I hate the use of such emotive language in a debate that should be about logic
If this gets passed anyone carrying will need to be well trained
not just on the use of a gun but also the laws so the victim realizes
they can not shoot someone unless they fear for their lives
or fear for great bodily harm.
This type of training should be made apart of gun ownership.
We need to empower our citizens who live on the right side of law.
Criminals will always have guns, time to take back the streets.
It is only getting worse.
It could be your girl raped, your mother terrorized,
your father beaten left for dead in an alley for a watch and a wedding ring
or less.
Whomever thinks this woman is the least bit guilty needs to meditate for awhile
and picture their own mother at the hands of this man entering her apartment.
Feel what she feels, and know you are putting your trust in the wrong person.
The perp here was on a mission ... 2 warning bullets didn't even stop him.
In my opinion, doing a bunch of what if's is ridiculous, properly train gun owners,
allow them to carry to protect themselves, their loved ones and maybe even yours
or mine.
the perp??? sorry pandora but that just made me laugh. see...>>>
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
If this gets passed anyone carrying will need to be well trained
not just on the use of a gun but also the laws so the victim realizes
they can not shoot someone unless they fear for their lives
or fear for great bodily harm.
This type of training should be made apart of gun ownership.
We need to empower our citizens who live on the right side of law.
Criminals will always have guns, time to take back the streets.
It is only getting worse.
It could be your girl raped, your mother terrorized,
your father beaten left for dead in an alley for a watch and a wedding ring
or less.
Whomever thinks this woman is the least bit guilty needs to meditate for awhile
and picture their own mother at the hands of this man entering her apartment.
Feel what she feels, and know you are putting your trust in the wrong person.
The perp here was on a mission ... 2 warning bullets didn't even stop him.
In my opinion, doing a bunch of what if's is ridiculous, properly train gun owners,
allow them to carry to protect themselves, their loved ones and maybe even yours
or mine.
the perp??? sorry pandora but that just made me laugh. see...>>>
that's my daughter ... Forsencis ... CSI biology major its interesting stuff
If this gets passed anyone carrying will need to be well trained
not just on the use of a gun but also the laws so the victim realizes
they can not shoot someone unless they fear for their lives
or fear for great bodily harm.
This type of training should be made apart of gun ownership.
We need to empower our citizens who live on the right side of law.
Criminals will always have guns, time to take back the streets.
It is only getting worse.
It could be your girl raped, your mother terrorized,
your father beaten left for dead in an alley for a watch and a wedding ring
or less.
Whomever thinks this woman is the least bit guilty needs to meditate for awhile
and picture their own mother at the hands of this man entering her apartment.
Feel what she feels, and know you are putting your trust in the wrong person.
The perp here was on a mission ... 2 warning bullets didn't even stop him.
In my opinion, doing a bunch of what if's is ridiculous, properly train gun owners,
allow them to carry to protect themselves, their loved ones and maybe even yours
or mine.
Sensationalist bullshit if ever I heard it, I hate the use of such emotive language in a debate that should be about logic
Dont forget to feel for the victim amongst your logical debate :?
If this gets passed anyone carrying will need to be well trained
not just on the use of a gun but also the laws so the victim realizes
they can not shoot someone unless they fear for their lives
or fear for great bodily harm.
This type of training should be made apart of gun ownership.
We need to empower our citizens who live on the right side of law.
Criminals will always have guns, time to take back the streets.
It is only getting worse.
It could be your girl raped, your mother terrorized,
your father beaten left for dead in an alley for a watch and a wedding ring
or less.
Whomever thinks this woman is the least bit guilty needs to meditate for awhile
and picture their own mother at the hands of this man entering her apartment.
Feel what she feels, and know you are putting your trust in the wrong person.
The perp here was on a mission ... 2 warning bullets didn't even stop him.
In my opinion, doing a bunch of what if's is ridiculous, properly train gun owners,
allow them to carry to protect themselves, their loved ones and maybe even yours
or mine.
the perp??? sorry pandora but that just made me laugh. see...>>>
that's my daughter ... Forsencis ... CSI biology major its interesting stuff
we talk alot
it is very interesting stuff. though im more interested in the psychology of crime.
those CSi shows drive me insane(r).. would it kill them to turn on a friggin' light? and when is someone gonna off calleigh duquesne??? they killed off tim they should do the same to her. she bugs the bejeesus out of me.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
If this gets passed anyone carrying will need to be well trained
not just on the use of a gun but also the laws so the victim realizes
they can not shoot someone unless they fear for their lives
or fear for great bodily harm.
This type of training should be made apart of gun ownership.
We need to empower our citizens who live on the right side of law.
Criminals will always have guns, time to take back the streets.
It is only getting worse.
It could be your girl raped, your mother terrorized,
your father beaten left for dead in an alley for a watch and a wedding ring
or less.
Whomever thinks this woman is the least bit guilty needs to meditate for awhile
and picture their own mother at the hands of this man entering her apartment.
Feel what she feels, and know you are putting your trust in the wrong person.
The perp here was on a mission ... 2 warning bullets didn't even stop him.
In my opinion, doing a bunch of what if's is ridiculous, properly train gun owners,
allow them to carry to protect themselves, their loved ones and maybe even yours
or mine.
Sensationalist bullshit if ever I heard it, I hate the use of such emotive language in a debate that should be about logic
Dont forget to feel for the victim amongst your logical debate :?
You will see in my post this was bolded, do not misquote me
Personally... if someone keeps loaded firearms in their home for protection... fine... no problem. Intruders need to understand that they run the risk of armed response when they illegally enter someone else's home.
But... i really don't want these civilian vigilante types, wandering around the city I live in, stroking their stock, just looking for someone to shoot. I mistrust their judgement as much as I mistrust the criminal's judgement.
Who does that? "these civilian vigilante types" Great point...
Way to add something constructive. Fact is, criminals do not follow the law. People who register their firearms and hold a CCW are far less likely to commit crimes than others. But, I wouldn't want you to be dissuaded from your trolling with facts and statistics.
Personally... if someone keeps loaded firearms in their home for protection... fine... no problem. Intruders need to understand that they run the risk of armed response when they illegally enter someone else's home.
But... i really don't want these civilian vigilante types, wandering around the city I live in, stroking their stock, just looking for someone to shoot. I mistrust their judgement as much as I mistrust the criminal's judgement.
Who does that? "these civilian vigilante types" Great point...
Way to add something constructive. Fact is, criminals do not follow the law. People who register their firearms and hold a CCW are far less likely to commit crimes than others. But, I wouldn't want you to be dissuaded from your trolling with facts and statistics.
Are these the same facts and statistics which indicate that the US has a far higher death rate per-capita than any other developed nation when it comes to the use of firearms? One thing I've come to appreciate is that facts and statistics mean nothing on the train.
Cross reference your death rate data with those that have a CCW. Then, get back with the facts.
I bet you will find that the "death rate" data you speak of does not apply to lawfull , registered handgun owners.
Sensationalist bullshit if ever I heard it, I hate the use of such emotive language in a debate that should be about logic
You will see in my post this was bolded, do not misquote me
Misquote you those were my words
yours were bolded in your post I removed from my response as I did not bold those you did
If I had wanted them to be the entire point of my post I would have.
Hard facts though not sensational bullshit as you so rudely reply
... its important to feel each others pain
I guess you think that is bullshit :?
feel each others pain not look at statistics.
One person victimized is one too many in my book.
If there had been a well trained citizen to respond to the rape of a young college woman at 6pm
in a heavily populated area of GT a few weeks ago she would not have been brutalized and
one less asshole would be off the streets that would not hurt another young girl....
maybe your daughter, sister, girlfriend....
there I go again trying to make it about real people....
Comments
I own guns.
I hunt to hone survival skills and marksmanship skills, mostly, to be prepared in the event the grocery store is closed. Dont get me wrong, i love some young doe...
OR, more importantly, if "shit" hits the fan and some thugs think that the "place with lights on/generators) is a good target.
I am an American. I will defend.
I will defend.
uhm, did he not act violent? or might someone she knew do that? o,O
well i guess itd be easier dealing if the person you killed isnt known to you.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Identify the target and what is behind it and THEN destroy it
But, please amateurs, do not confuse yourself. If you pull a firearm, shoot to kill.
Except nobody's ever managed to carried out a massacre armed with just a knife. Except maybe Zorro, but he's not real.
I know you are entitled to your opinion, and you may really think she was sinister in her motives. I disagree.
But as to the bold part,
1st. You always should shoot center mass. You should never pull the trigger in a self defense situation trying to simply hurt someone. they tell you as much in a hand to hand situation as well. If you are forced to fight for you life, you put the other guy down and make sure he stays there...if that means a few extra punches, a little longer on a choke hold, or one in the chest...so be it...the guy shouldn't have been attacking. It isn't the movies, people who have weapons in their homes aren't trained in pressure situations most of the time, things kick in and shooting center mass is the best way to hit the target. This guy put himself in that situation and was killed...it is a tragedy no doubt, but I would say it is worse for the the innocent woman who now has to live with having killed a person because of that persons selfish actions.
2nd. and most importantly, if the guy wanted to be alive he should have not tried to break into someones house he deemed an easy target. Need doesn't make it ok to steal and terrify.
I wonder what would have happened if he simply asked this woman for help if he was truly needy...based on his ignoring of the warning shots I would guess he couldn't have cared less about stuff and simply wanted to hurt her...i could be wrong, and you could be right, but I think the odds are in my favor on this one.
To each his own though I suppose. You could be right, and she could be a cold blooded murderer.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
YESSSS !!!!!! :thumbup:
Godfather.
yes they have,do a little resurch on that buddy and I bet you find a few examples.
Godfather.
Some examples with a very quick search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Riverside? Or Palmdale? Sounds more like Victorville.
Hail, Hail!!!
That's different to having handguns in college, you just have to look at virgina tech to see thats a terrible idea
In these two attacks 14people where killed while Colombine allowing there where 14 people killed ans 25 injured, there is no doubt that guns are far more lethal than knives. Having a hand gun in the home or a rifle for hunting is completely different to open carrying of handguns
But... i really don't want these civilian vigilante types, wandering around the city I live in, stroking their stock, just looking for someone to shoot. I mistrust their judgement as much as I mistrust the criminal's judgement.
Hail, Hail!!!
not to mention the possibility of innocent bystanders being caught in the crossfire
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Bystander, schmystander... they shouldn't have been standing in the line of fire of that guy that looked like he might be up to no good.
Hail, Hail!!!
not just on the use of a gun but also the laws so the victim realizes
they can not shoot someone unless they fear for their lives
or fear for great bodily harm.
This type of training should be made apart of gun ownership.
We need to empower our citizens who live on the right side of law.
Criminals will always have guns, time to take back the streets.
It is only getting worse.
It could be your girl raped, your mother terrorized,
your father beaten left for dead in an alley for a watch and a wedding ring
or less.
Whomever thinks this woman is the least bit guilty needs to meditate for awhile
and picture their own mother at the hands of this man entering her apartment.
Feel what she feels, and know you are putting your trust in the wrong person.
The perp here was on a mission ... 2 warning bullets didn't even stop him.
In my opinion, doing a bunch of what if's is ridiculous, properly train gun owners,
allow them to carry to protect themselves, their loved ones and maybe even yours
or mine.
the perp??? sorry pandora but that just made me laugh. see...>>>
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Someone put too much CSI in the eggnog.
Hail, Hail!!!
we talk alot
logical in my case though
it is very interesting stuff. though im more interested in the psychology of crime.
those CSi shows drive me insane(r).. would it kill them to turn on a friggin' light? and when is someone gonna off calleigh duquesne??? they killed off tim they should do the same to her. she bugs the bejeesus out of me.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Careful where you step... it's a lot murkier than it looks.
Basic Rule of Thumb #27: If it looks like shit... avoid. It's probably shit.
Hail, Hail!!!
Oh... come on. Nothing goes better together than guns and beer pong, right?
Quit being such a fuddy-duddy.
Hail, Hail!!!
Who does that? "these civilian vigilante types" Great point...
Way to add something constructive. Fact is, criminals do not follow the law. People who register their firearms and hold a CCW are far less likely to commit crimes than others. But, I wouldn't want you to be dissuaded from your trolling with facts and statistics.
Are these the same facts and statistics which indicate that the US has a far higher death rate per-capita than any other developed nation when it comes to the use of firearms? One thing I've come to appreciate is that facts and statistics mean nothing on the train.
I bet you will find that the "death rate" data you speak of does not apply to lawfull , registered handgun owners.
This is what I speak.
God bless
Woot
yours were bolded in your post I removed from my response as I did not bold those you did
If I had wanted them to be the entire point of my post I would have.
Hard facts though not sensational bullshit as you so rudely reply
... its important to feel each others pain
I guess you think that is bullshit :?
feel each others pain not look at statistics.
One person victimized is one too many in my book.
If there had been a well trained citizen to respond to the rape of a young college woman at 6pm
in a heavily populated area of GT a few weeks ago she would not have been brutalized and
one less asshole would be off the streets that would not hurt another young girl....
maybe your daughter, sister, girlfriend....
there I go again trying to make it about real people....
because it is.