brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,430
We keep going back and forth on this issue but one thing I think is indisputable: most people just scraping by (and that's a lot of people these days) or working damn hard like myself to stay above the poverty line are tired of the inequality-- lots of hard working people just get by while a few fat cats take in more than any one man (and sometimes a woman) needs. Sure, some of them are philanthropists and many of them create jobs. Nice tax deductions, good little worker bees. Here, have some table scraps. Same as it ever was. Same...as it ever-was. Same...as...it...ever...was.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
i was sarcastically shocked at your reporting of people for trivial things, and i rolled my eyes at your being a tattle tale...baiting people and reporting when people reply to you is pretty weak...your schtick is tiresome...would you rather me have used a instead?
seriously, the mods have better things to deal with than the post you reported...
and addressing your photo...a few dumbasses burning an american flag does not characterize the entire movement. i am a proud liberal who supports the movement, and i am wearing a flag shirt in my avatar. do you want to judge me too???
the flag is just a symbol and it has different meanings to different people. like it or not it symbolizes all that is right, and more importantly all that is WRONG with america.
i could quickly post 30 pics from tea party rallies with racist and anti obama messages on them. it does not make all tea partiers those things....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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brianlux
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I've never done so and don't intend to (I mean, really, why burn when you can sew instead and put it on a sharp dresser like gimme?), but it is still legal to burn the flag in America- a right protected by the Constitution. But since this isn't a regular event related to OWS, what I want to know is- why are we moving the discussion in this direction?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I've never done so and don't intend to (I mean, really, why burn when you can sew instead and put it on a sharp dresser like gimme?), but it is still legal to burn the flag in America- a right protected by the Constitution. But since this isn't a regular event related to OWS, what I want to know is- why are we moving the discussion in this direction?
haha me a sharp dresser?? only at work my friend on the weekends its jeans, doc marten boots, an interesting t shirt and black leather jacket... for god's sake man, i have a t shirt with the american flag on it, perhaps one of the most gaudy patterns in the history of art lol...
like i said, some dumbasses are doing provocative things and are associating it with the ows. and people will lambaste and focus on those few dumbass actions because doing that is easier than trying to discuss the real issue and come up with real answers and real solutions. coming up with answers and solutions takes serious thought and consideration. blasting 3 people for burning a flag takes no thought.
perhaps we should ask ourselves this question, if you do not support ows, then by default, do you support the status quo?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I support capitalism, too. I support integrity and sustainability. I do not however support greedy f*3Ks and a rigged system creating the largest gap EVER in the have and have nots. However, its obvious that these two cannot go hand in hand capitalism and integrity.
If you are sooooo smart then ... what is the solution?
once people start threatening to report posts then the threads die because nobody wants to post in the thread again after that. and that carries over into other threads and the whole train quiets down for a few days.
that move is the ultimate killer of discussion, and to announce it publicly seems childish.
95% of the time threads work themselves out and move on without having to get a mod involved.
he does that often, and i apologize if my frustration with that translated into that post..
i'm sorry everyone.
:oops:
add foe button pressed....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Look at me, never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut.
Although we may not consider ourselves friends, running to the recess teacher every time a minor infraction occurs just makes you a schoolyard snitch.
Perfect picture and quote.
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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
If you cant get pass the minor name calling (simple negative tactic in debate) then I suggest instead of crying foul, like they say, "if its too hot in the kitchen, then GTFO." All I see abuse of the rules here, big time. Crying wolf when there isn't one. Of course, we all want positive discussion/argumentation. But whining is also a MAJOR buzzkill. Sorry. How many people are you going to try to get booted who do not deservedly need to be. What a klusterf&^k.
Even the Godfather. can stand the minor leftist jabbing .
"We are fighting for the America we love...the America that is a land of opportunity and a beacon of freedom; the America that challenges each of us to be better and bigger than ourselves." MITT
We can do better than the misguided policies, broken promises, and failed leadership of President Obama that caused this whole Occupy movement. Now clearly misguided and having lost any brand they may have had, the solution is what Newt says above in vid clip.
stop breaking the law
be held accountable for your own successes and failures
"We are fighting for the America we love...the America that is a land of opportunity and a beacon of freedom; the America that challenges each of us to be better and bigger than ourselves." MITT
We can do better than the misguided policies, broken promises, and failed leadership of President Obama that caused this whole Occupy movement. Now clearly misguided and having lost any brand they may have had, the solution is what Newt says above in vid clip.
stop breaking the law
be held accountable for your own successes and failures
that is what I propose.
President Obama didn't cause the OWS. The movement has been decades in the making.
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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
"We are fighting for the America we love...the America that is a land of opportunity and a beacon of freedom; the America that challenges each of us to be better and bigger than ourselves." MITT
We can do better than the misguided policies, broken promises, and failed leadership of President Obama that caused this whole Occupy movement. Now clearly misguided and having lost any brand they may have had, the solution is what Newt says above in vid clip.
stop breaking the law
be held accountable for your own successes and failures
that is what I propose.
President Obama didn't cause the OWS. The movement has been decades in the making.
Shut up! We supposed to be a a bunch of stupid hippie college kids no one fears!
"We are fighting for the America we love...the America that is a land of opportunity and a beacon of freedom; the America that challenges each of us to be better and bigger than ourselves." MITT
We can do better than the misguided policies, broken promises, and failed leadership of President Obama that caused this whole Occupy movement. Now clearly misguided and having lost any brand they may have had, the solution is what Newt says above in vid clip.
stop breaking the law
be held accountable for your own successes and failures
that is what I propose.
Define success. Define failure.
Um, thats what OWS is about accountability. We are seeing a great # of corporations putting profits over people. Wall Street falsely raising prices on futures like gold, corn, oil. People buying and leveraging companies decimating its employees to turn a quick profit. Polluting the world for profit. Buying out governments for profit. This is accountability? This is integrity? I'm all for success and abundance but how have you made your money. Killing people, throwing them out of their house, taking their life savings in a pension scheme, raping and pillaging and starving their country for their resources? Just to name a few. All these things and more have been done in the name of profit with no consideration of the effect they have on the lives of the people of the globe. I would rather be a "failure" by society's standards and definition than to have made my fortune off of the backs and stealing from poor innocent trusting people.
I wish I had the minutes of my life back for the posts where people can't even speak politely to each other when they make their points about what they believe. And quoting the Posting Guidelines to people is only for us mods to do, not for people to use as a weapon when they are debating. Just report a problem to us and do not respond to it. This thread is open again but will only stay that way if we see an effort being made to discuss the topic. If it moves off-topic or the topic changes, please make a new thread or find one that applies.
"This type of criminal behavior, clearly outside of the First Amendment, is disrespectful to the residents of Oakland and is unacceptable and will not be tolerated in my City," said newly appointed Police Chief Howard Jordan.
"The residents of the City deserve better than this, and it's time for the violence and vandalism to cease," he said
"This type of criminal behavior, clearly outside of the First Amendment, is disrespectful to the residents of Oakland and is unacceptable and will not be tolerated in my City," said newly appointed Police Chief Howard Jordan.
"The residents of the City deserve better than this, and it's time for the violence and vandalism to cease," he said
what does this have to do with the assertion that obama caused all of this, per thread title??
here is a proposition, why not start a new thread to try to discredit the movement and what it sees as the problems with america instead of just bashing protestors for being dumbasses?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"This type of criminal behavior, clearly outside of the First Amendment, is disrespectful to the residents of Oakland and is unacceptable and will not be tolerated in my City," said newly appointed Police Chief Howard Jordan.
"The residents of the City deserve better than this, and it's time for the violence and vandalism to cease," he said
what does this have to do with the assertion that obama caused all of this, per thread title??
here is a proposition, why not start a new thread to try to discredit the movement and what it sees as the problems with america instead of just bashing protestors for being dumbasses?
Is talking about the actions of OWS movement really that far off topic here? Just how dissected do you want each topic to be exactly?
If these idiots in Oakland represent the Occupy Movement, then the Westboro Baptist Church represents the Baptist faith; then Al-Qaeda represents Islam (oh wait, to some they do).
If these idiots in Oakland represent the Occupy Movement, then the Westboro Baptist Church represents the Baptist faith; then Al-Qaeda represents Islam 9oh wait, to some they do).
They overall OWS movement has been using Oakland as the poster child ever since that dude took a tear-gas canister to the noggin. The Oakland police have been used by OWS supporters as an overall example of how America's police force is becoming militarized and fascist and how our freedoms are dissolving.
I've said it from day one ... it's Oakland being Oakland.
Is talking about the actions of OWS movement really that far off topic here? Just how dissected do you want each topic to be exactly?
well considering the topic of the thread is "ows represents anger barack hussein obama has caused", what this has devolved into is only bashing the few violent protestors and is not maintaining topic integrity.
kat has already locked this temporarily once....
not that i the first person to ever try to ask that things stay on topic or repeatedly threaten to squelch discussion by urging folks to stay on topic....but to get back on topic, nobody has made a convincing case that obama alone has caused this. people that maintain that he is the only cause must have been asleep prior to january 2009...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,430
....but to get back on topic, nobody has made a convincing case that obama alone has caused this. people that maintain that he is the only cause must have been asleep prior to january 2009...
This really sums up my feelings about this thread as well. Blaming Obama solely for peoples dissatisfaction leading to OWS just doesn't hold water. Even some of my conservative friends agree that it goes back much further.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
not that i the first person to ever try to ask that things stay on topic or repeatedly threaten to squelch discussion by urging folks to stay on topic...
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
i was sarcastically shocked at your reporting of people for trivial things, and i rolled my eyes at your being a tattle tale...baiting people and reporting when people reply to you is pretty weak...your schtick is tiresome...would you rather me have used a
seriously, the mods have better things to deal with than the post you reported...
and addressing your photo...a few dumbasses burning an american flag does not characterize the entire movement. i am a proud liberal who supports the movement, and i am wearing a flag shirt in my avatar. do you want to judge me too???
the flag is just a symbol and it has different meanings to different people. like it or not it symbolizes all that is right, and more importantly all that is WRONG with america.
i could quickly post 30 pics from tea party rallies with racist and anti obama messages on them. it does not make all tea partiers those things....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
like i said, some dumbasses are doing provocative things and are associating it with the ows. and people will lambaste and focus on those few dumbass actions because doing that is easier than trying to discuss the real issue and come up with real answers and real solutions. coming up with answers and solutions takes serious thought and consideration. blasting 3 people for burning a flag takes no thought.
perhaps we should ask ourselves this question, if you do not support ows, then by default, do you support the status quo?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yes, that shirt looks terrible.
If you are sooooo smart then ... what is the solution?
once people start threatening to report posts then the threads die because nobody wants to post in the thread again after that. and that carries over into other threads and the whole train quiets down for a few days.
that move is the ultimate killer of discussion, and to announce it publicly seems childish.
95% of the time threads work themselves out and move on without having to get a mod involved.
he does that often, and i apologize if my frustration with that translated into that post..
i'm sorry everyone.
:oops:
add foe button pressed....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Look at me, never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut.
Although we may not consider ourselves friends, running to the recess teacher every time a minor infraction occurs just makes you a schoolyard snitch.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Please discuss the topic and not the person.
Calling names is the ultimate killer of discussion. 95% of the time
Even the Godfather. can stand the minor leftist jabbing
PS love the picture above.
great question and on topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcwoDXb--h0
"We are fighting for the America we love...the America that is a land of opportunity and a beacon of freedom; the America that challenges each of us to be better and bigger than ourselves." MITT
We can do better than the misguided policies, broken promises, and failed leadership of President Obama that caused this whole Occupy movement. Now clearly misguided and having lost any brand they may have had, the solution is what Newt says above in vid clip.
stop breaking the law
be held accountable for your own successes and failures
that is what I propose.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Um, thats what OWS is about accountability. We are seeing a great # of corporations putting profits over people. Wall Street falsely raising prices on futures like gold, corn, oil. People buying and leveraging companies decimating its employees to turn a quick profit. Polluting the world for profit. Buying out governments for profit. This is accountability? This is integrity? I'm all for success and abundance but how have you made your money. Killing people, throwing them out of their house, taking their life savings in a pension scheme, raping and pillaging and starving their country for their resources? Just to name a few. All these things and more have been done in the name of profit with no consideration of the effect they have on the lives of the people of the globe. I would rather be a "failure" by society's standards and definition than to have made my fortune off of the backs and stealing from poor innocent trusting people.
*scratching head*
I wish I had the minutes of my life back for the posts where people can't even speak politely to each other when they make their points about what they believe. And quoting the Posting Guidelines to people is only for us mods to do, not for people to use as a weapon when they are debating. Just report a problem to us and do not respond to it. This thread is open again but will only stay that way if we see an effort being made to discuss the topic. If it moves off-topic or the topic changes, please make a new thread or find one that applies.
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"The residents of the City deserve better than this, and it's time for the violence and vandalism to cease," he said
video release attached.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/0 ... 49501.html
what does this have to do with the assertion that obama caused all of this, per thread title??
here is a proposition, why not start a new thread to try to discredit the movement and what it sees as the problems with america instead of just bashing protestors for being dumbasses?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
:thumbdown:
Is talking about the actions of OWS movement really that far off topic here? Just how dissected do you want each topic to be exactly?
or destruct a classic model of city hall.
"People in the community and people in the Occupy movement have to stop making excuses for this behavior," Oakland mayor Quan said.
Just like what I quoted in the first post of this thread from Chris Christie...
"they are angry but not mature enough to be angry at themselves"
and
"they believed in this HOPE and CHANGE garbage"
I've said it from day one ... it's Oakland being Oakland.
kat has already locked this temporarily once....
not that i the first person to ever try to ask that things stay on topic or repeatedly threaten to squelch discussion by urging folks to stay on topic....but to get back on topic, nobody has made a convincing case that obama alone has caused this. people that maintain that he is the only cause must have been asleep prior to january 2009...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
This really sums up my feelings about this thread as well. Blaming Obama solely for peoples dissatisfaction leading to OWS just doesn't hold water. Even some of my conservative friends agree that it goes back much further.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
now go home and get your fucking shinebox!