Hussa was right. It's a dark blue pressing. I guess it's most likely a repress or EU boot. High quality, though, and it sounds good.
HF, I'll GLADLY pay you $15 for a black wax of Time Out of Mind. Even moreso, I will HAPPILY pay you $100 for a vinyl pressing of Under the Table and Dreaming.
7/27/1992: Lollapalooza, St. Louis; 7/11/1995: Soldier Field, Chicago
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
I don't use this forum to sell records, but if you can find my shop I will give you the DMB album for free. I'm buddhist, I don't need or want your $100.00, nor is it worth that. I have it priced at $12.95....Good Luck
I will scream my lungs out till it fills this room.
PM me your address and I will take the rest of the week off and fly there tomorrow.
Why? Because RCA has never issued Under the Table and Dreaming on vinyl. And they've only pressed two records. Their first vinyl pressing, Before These Crowded Streets, has been OOP since '98 and regularly sells for $300. Not to question your credentials, but as a record store owner you should know this. At the very least, snap a photo of this vinyl (Under the Table and Dreaming) to prove to me that I'm not crazy.
You should also be aware of the fact that the CBS pressing of Time Out of Mind also regularly sells for upwards of $200 since it has also been OOP since '97.
7/27/1992: Lollapalooza, St. Louis; 7/11/1995: Soldier Field, Chicago
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
PM me your address and I will take the rest of the week off and fly there tomorrow.
Why? Because RCA has never issued Under the Table and Dreaming on vinyl. And they've only pressed two records. Their first vinyl pressing, Before These Crowded Streets, has been OOP since '98 and regularly sells for $300. Not to question your credentials, but as a record store owner you should know this. At the very least, snap a photo of this vinyl (Under the Table and Dreaming) to prove to me that I'm not crazy.
You should also be aware of the fact that the CBS pressing of Time Out of Mind also regularly sells for upwards of $200 since it has also been OOP since '97.
You never asked whether they were boots/imports/both or not, and there have been SEVERAL pressings of boot Under The Table...all italian from 1994-1998....I understand what you or CBS or the general public thinks things value at, but at my shop, we run on the Buddhist philosophy of giving and compassion.
So you are saying that The Kinks Everybody's in Show Biz LP which has been OOP since 1975 is worth $200.00 also??? No, its worth $20.00, and I sell it for $9.95NM. Less Green Disease for you, sir. Value the record from Goldmine BEFORE firing off e-mails. If its not in there, does NOT mean it does NOT exist. For example, Elvis Presley "A Mess of Blues/The Girl of my Best Friend" 45 was NEVER released in the US, only in Germany, ON RCA, not a boot. It values VERY high for that reason, but is that what we sell it at? (Dream up your own answer). Also, Japan produces TONS of legit LPs that are not released in the US.(Example, Frank Sinatra's My Way on Red Wax) Remember, there is a continent (Europe) full of industrious people that create fantastic stuff. I take a trip to Tibet yearly, and stop off in a few cities (mainly Italy) to pick up hard to find vinyl. I don't need to justify myself by "snapping a pic" to enlighten you or make myself feel better. I am holding the copy of DMB Under the Table... in my hand RIGHT NOW, and we shall play it in your honor this morning. Clear?
I will scream my lungs out till it fills this room.
Good morning all! Hi-Fi is the man when it comes to anything vinyl and I would not question his expertise. I am new to this hobby but, I trust him more than any book or website I have looked through. His kindness and willingness to answer our questions and give advice can't be overlooked. Everybody has their own opinion and these are mine. Hi-Fi turn up the DMB vinyl a bit for me!
How am I going to value it in Goldmine if it's not listed? If it was a foreign pressing, it's never been listed ANYWHERE on ANY DMB discography page (there are dozens and they are thorough). If it's a bootleg, why are you selling it? You said you didn't sell bootlegs. Again, in 15 years of collecting, I've NEVER seen an Italian pressing or ANY pressing of that record show up on eBay, discogs, or gemm.com. And I've looked regularly for FIFTEEN YEARS. So without a picture, without a PM telling me where your store is (which I said I'd fly to to buy this record) and without any other further information (a link of ANY KIND proving that this record exists), I'm going to say that you're full of shit. If you really are a Buddhist, show your compassion by placating me by simply snapping a picture of you holding it. Seriously. If not that, PM me your store's address and I will be there tomorrow to buy it. If you REALLY want to impress me, ship it to my house. PM me for my address.
Otherwise, I call Duck Tales. Sorry.
7/27/1992: Lollapalooza, St. Louis; 7/11/1995: Soldier Field, Chicago
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
Hi-Fi, my opinion would be to NOT send him anything. It is what it is. What is this world if we can't take people by their word anymore. If he says it exists, I am sure it does.
How about this as an option. If it does exist, set it up as an eBay auction and donate the $3,000 or $4,000 that you'd earn from it to charity! That way we both win. Post the URL of the auction when it's ready. Or send it to me and I'll do it. Or again, post a picture or send me a link indicating its real-ness.
You'd said to a previous poster that DMB vinyl was "not too hard" to find, and yet you have someone on this forum that has over 3,000 records in his personal collection and has collected vinyl for over 15 years telling you that I've NEVER SEEN A COPY. ANYWHERE! THAT MEANS IT'S HARD TO FIND!!!!!!!! YOU HAD TO BUY THEM IN ITALY!!!! THAT'S HARD TO FIND!!!! Right speech, my man. Right speech. You're not being a very good Buddhist.
7/27/1992: Lollapalooza, St. Louis; 7/11/1995: Soldier Field, Chicago
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
Cmalisze is right, it's not worth my time. You clearly have some ax to grind, so go find another place to grind it. Boots exist of almost EVERY reputable album. There is a difference between Boot and Counterfeit....but again, not worth my time. This thread was great, everyone got problems solved, some got free records, and then you came along. I have owned a Vinyl shop for 12 years, and I don't need to justify my accomplishments/inventory/or reputation to anyone. Try google, it took me 2 minutes and 54 seconds to find a pic. Either leave our peaceful, helpful thread alone, or be kind to others.
I will scream my lungs out till it fills this room.
If you think I have an ax to grind, it's because I think you're lying and you've provided no evidence to the contrary. And I don't think it's unkind to tell someone that they're full of shit, when they have provided NO EVIDENCE to the contrary. If you told me that you had an authentic DVD of The Star Wars Christmas Special I would also tell you were full of shit. Or if you told me that you have a pet unicorn I would tell you you were full of shit. That's not being mean. I just am FLABBERGASTED that this record exists. I've been scouring ALL WEBSITES AND MESSAGE BOARDS related to this topic since you claimed to have a copy of this, ESPECIALLY google, and have yet to see ANY evidence of it. AT ALL! PLEASE, I'm BEGGING you, since you're unable to share a photo, or send me a copy, or put it up on eBay for charity, or PM your store address, ALL THAT I ASK is that you share the URL link of the photograph of this record. In fact, if you provide me with ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT THIS RECORD EXISTS, I will apologize and leave you alone. I'm sorry I can't let this go, it's just who I am.
p.s. Will you at least admit, at the very least, that if it took you 2 min. and 54 seconds to find a google pic of it, that it is not, in your words, "not too hard to find."
7/27/1992: Lollapalooza, St. Louis; 7/11/1995: Soldier Field, Chicago
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
So, getting back to what this thread what once was......I was out and about today and, of course, stopped at a local consignment shop that sells records. I feel I had a good day. I was able to get 3 The Who albums for very cheap. I obtained "Quadrophenia" the jacket is in not the best shape but, the original booklet is in tact. I also got "It's Hard." My question is about the 3rd I purchased it is "Who's Missing" on the back of the jacket there is a stamp which reads "For Promotional Use Only Ownership Reserved by MCA Records INC. Sale is Unlawful" the stamp is in a silver colored ink. Can anybody provide some insight.
If you think I have an ax to grind, it's because I think you're lying and you've provided no evidence to the contrary. And I don't think it's unkind to tell someone that they're full of shit, when they have provided NO EVIDENCE to the contrary. If you told me that you had an authentic DVD of The Star Wars Christmas Special I would also tell you were full of shit. Or if you told me that you have a pet unicorn I would tell you you were full of shit. That's not being mean. I just am FLABBERGASTED that this record exists. I've been scouring ALL WEBSITES AND MESSAGE BOARDS related to this topic since you claimed to have a copy of this, ESPECIALLY google, and have yet to see ANY evidence of it. AT ALL! PLEASE, I'm BEGGING you, since you're unable to share a photo, or send me a copy, or put it up on eBay for charity, or PM your store address, ALL THAT I ASK is that you share the URL link of the photograph of this record. In fact, if you provide me with ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT THIS RECORD EXISTS, I will apologize and leave you alone. I'm sorry I can't let this go, it's just who I am.
p.s. Will you at least admit, at the very least, that if it took you 2 min. and 54 seconds to find a google pic of it, that it is not, in your words, "not too hard to find."
Longest Road is giving you an opportunity to look in the mirror. Use it.
If you think I have an ax to grind, it's because I think you're lying and you've provided no evidence to the contrary. And I don't think it's unkind to tell someone that they're full of shit, when they have provided NO EVIDENCE to the contrary. If you told me that you had an authentic DVD of The Star Wars Christmas Special I would also tell you were full of shit. Or if you told me that you have a pet unicorn I would tell you you were full of shit. That's not being mean. I just am FLABBERGASTED that this record exists. I've been scouring ALL WEBSITES AND MESSAGE BOARDS related to this topic since you claimed to have a copy of this, ESPECIALLY google, and have yet to see ANY evidence of it. AT ALL! PLEASE, I'm BEGGING you, since you're unable to share a photo, or send me a copy, or put it up on eBay for charity, or PM your store address, ALL THAT I ASK is that you share the URL link of the photograph of this record. In fact, if you provide me with ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT THIS RECORD EXISTS, I will apologize and leave you alone. I'm sorry I can't let this go, it's just who I am.
p.s. Will you at least admit, at the very least, that if it took you 2 min. and 54 seconds to find a google pic of it, that it is not, in your words, "not too hard to find."
Longest Road is giving you an opportunity to look in the mirror. Use it.
Here's what's at stake: if this guy is lying his credibility a giver of advice is at stake. Again, all I'm asking for is proof that this record exists. ANYWHERE. do the research yourself. PLEASE. I don't think I'm being out of line.
7/27/1992: Lollapalooza, St. Louis; 7/11/1995: Soldier Field, Chicago
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
Ok, this is my last post on this, because people who "collect" records for 15 years DO NOT know all, nor do I, but I know enough to quiet you up. Have you ever been to Asia/Europe? Go into ANY vinyl shop and about 25% of the records are pressed using the below web site or similar machines, INCLUDING DMB UNDER THE TABLE...Again, THIS IS NOT A HARD CONCEPT. Boots/counterfeits have existed since the inception of vinyl. They will even make you a sleeve and jacket..., NOW, LEAVE US ALONE. My integrity is as hard as oak, and you questioning it in a rude and ignorant fashion is insulting to say the least. I don't OWE you anything. I have helped COUNTLESS people over the years with their vinyl issues, and you commenting on me and my thread in this fashion is UNACCEPTABLE! Enough. Look at the web site so you can feel better about yourself, yet the rest of the people on this thread know the truth, and they are who matters, not you. DO NOT PM ME ANY MORE. Let it go, I owe you nothing, be satisfied in your loss.
Are you serious!? So you provide a site that makes custom records and a fucking platinum award as evidence that this record exists?! Wow. Throw that RCA Award on the platter and see what sound comes out. It's probably Alabama or Kenny Rogers.
I completely understand the concept that records are made by websites that you provided in the EU and Asia. I've been record shopping in London, Amsterdam, Florence, Venice, Rome and Paris. I would say that the number of boots/counterfeits is probably closer to 10%, but I digress. Here's the problem: you can't call it a counterfeit if there was never an original made in the first place. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN OFFICIAL PRESSING OF THIS RECORD EVER. At best it's a bootleg (which you are apparently selling in your store, i'll get to that in a minute) and at worse you COMPLETELY LYING ABOUT HAVING IT. I don't know which is more pathetic.
As for your credibility, it is null at this point. Here's why:
1.) you never provided evidence that this record actually exists (a photo of a platinum or gold award doesn't count, brother).
2.) the evidence you did provide was woefully suspect.
3.) you sarcastically question my credibility as a collector and then call me rude ("right action" Mr. Buddhist?)
4.) most damningly, in a previous post you say that you don't sell boots in your shop and then you freely admit that you're selling this boot (allegedly) for $12.95.
Again, if you can provide REAL, CREDIBLE evidence that this exists, PLEASE share it. PLEASE. I'M BEGGING YOU. If you do, I will apologize profusely. If this record wasn't so important to me, and if you weren't so humblebraggy about it, I would've let it go.
What bothers me more is the blind support you're receiving from people on here. Doesn't anyone else find this a bit suspect? Doesn't anyone agree that the evidence provided is nonexistent?
If this is losing, I feel pretty good. Hugs.
p.s. "YOUR" thread? Seriously? This thread was actually JP33s. Sorry ("right view", my brother).
7/27/1992: Lollapalooza, St. Louis; 7/11/1995: Soldier Field, Chicago
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
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I have a bunch in stock, Under the Table...., etc.... Not too hard
HF, I'll GLADLY pay you $15 for a black wax of Time Out of Mind. Even moreso, I will HAPPILY pay you $100 for a vinyl pressing of Under the Table and Dreaming.
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
Why? Because RCA has never issued Under the Table and Dreaming on vinyl. And they've only pressed two records. Their first vinyl pressing, Before These Crowded Streets, has been OOP since '98 and regularly sells for $300. Not to question your credentials, but as a record store owner you should know this. At the very least, snap a photo of this vinyl (Under the Table and Dreaming) to prove to me that I'm not crazy.
You should also be aware of the fact that the CBS pressing of Time Out of Mind also regularly sells for upwards of $200 since it has also been OOP since '97.
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
You never asked whether they were boots/imports/both or not, and there have been SEVERAL pressings of boot Under The Table...all italian from 1994-1998....I understand what you or CBS or the general public thinks things value at, but at my shop, we run on the Buddhist philosophy of giving and compassion.
So you are saying that The Kinks Everybody's in Show Biz LP which has been OOP since 1975 is worth $200.00 also??? No, its worth $20.00, and I sell it for $9.95NM. Less Green Disease for you, sir.
Otherwise, I call Duck Tales. Sorry.
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
You'd said to a previous poster that DMB vinyl was "not too hard" to find, and yet you have someone on this forum that has over 3,000 records in his personal collection and has collected vinyl for over 15 years telling you that I've NEVER SEEN A COPY. ANYWHERE! THAT MEANS IT'S HARD TO FIND!!!!!!!! YOU HAD TO BUY THEM IN ITALY!!!! THAT'S HARD TO FIND!!!! Right speech, my man. Right speech. You're not being a very good Buddhist.
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
p.s. Will you at least admit, at the very least, that if it took you 2 min. and 54 seconds to find a google pic of it, that it is not, in your words, "not too hard to find."
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
Longest Road is giving you an opportunity to look in the mirror. Use it.
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
http://www.customrecords.com/33rpm_LP_a ... cords.html
http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p522/Crzyhrsm4/
I completely understand the concept that records are made by websites that you provided in the EU and Asia. I've been record shopping in London, Amsterdam, Florence, Venice, Rome and Paris. I would say that the number of boots/counterfeits is probably closer to 10%, but I digress. Here's the problem: you can't call it a counterfeit if there was never an original made in the first place. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN OFFICIAL PRESSING OF THIS RECORD EVER. At best it's a bootleg (which you are apparently selling in your store, i'll get to that in a minute) and at worse you COMPLETELY LYING ABOUT HAVING IT. I don't know which is more pathetic.
As for your credibility, it is null at this point. Here's why:
1.) you never provided evidence that this record actually exists (a photo of a platinum or gold award doesn't count, brother).
2.) the evidence you did provide was woefully suspect.
3.) you sarcastically question my credibility as a collector and then call me rude ("right action" Mr. Buddhist?)
4.) most damningly, in a previous post you say that you don't sell boots in your shop and then you freely admit that you're selling this boot (allegedly) for $12.95.
Again, if you can provide REAL, CREDIBLE evidence that this exists, PLEASE share it. PLEASE. I'M BEGGING YOU. If you do, I will apologize profusely. If this record wasn't so important to me, and if you weren't so humblebraggy about it, I would've let it go.
What bothers me more is the blind support you're receiving from people on here. Doesn't anyone else find this a bit suspect? Doesn't anyone agree that the evidence provided is nonexistent?
If this is losing, I feel pretty good. Hugs.
p.s. "YOUR" thread? Seriously? This thread was actually JP33s. Sorry ("right view", my brother).
7/2/1998: Riverport, St. Louis; 7/3/1998: Sandstone, KC; 10/9/2000: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago; 10/12/2000 Sandstone, KC; 6/12/2003: Sanstone, KC; 6/13/2003 MAC Center, Omaha
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