Anyway, I don't know what to do with the state of the petition now. Is it worth updating anymore? Obviously the club doesn't care about the 470 of us who signed it. Another question I have (that will probably never be answered) is why did they leave it in the goods for so long afterwards? As a tease for those who missed out? For those who logged on after the PBS showing to show them what they had missed? Or just pure laziness?
I'd keep the petition going until 10C answers those questions. Giving up now just feels like the easy way out.
People need to remember that this affects fans worldwide.
As an Australian fan, I have not seen PJ20 aired anywhere on my tv and The Kids Are Twenty is not available on my iTunes to purchase either. I think some fans get so caught up on what's happening in their country that they seem to forget about the rest of the world outside of the USA.
This material needs to be accessible to ALL FANS, not just those who were lucky enough to grab one during a pre sale.
Couldn't have said it better...At a time when we should all be rejoicing this wonderful band we end up having to deal with something like this. It was so exciting when PJ20 was first announced and I thought to myself "what's in store?" To end up at this place in time with no explanation at all is severely disappointing and disheartening. I guess this is why phrases like FUBAR were invented. I'll bet the top 1% were probably pretty satisfied with how things turned out. I should just quit pretending like I fit in anywhere.
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Know how u feel..... I guess eventually the other disc will be available to overseas fans but I dont really want
a digital copy anyway but guess thats what I will have to do if I want to see the extra footage...
Locking the gate long after the horse has bolted bump..... :(
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Locking the gate long after the horse has bolted bump..... :(
yes. and abviosly the band have made enough money, because they're losing out on a windfall here.
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I agree! Keep the thread going. Let's test the intergrity that the band has put forth with standing for what you believe! I think this is worth while. But I still can't help but think if the band has taken a turn toward the "big business" direction. Not dogging them, just stating from what I read from the Spin magazine in support of the release of Backspacer "Target exclusive need I remind you" that when interviewing Ed, he makes a statment to the tune of Why not us, as in regards to deserving some mainstream credit. I didn't quote because I don't have it in front of me but it made an impression on me. Anyway, I am deviating from the topic. I also kind of think that maybe they like the thought of inflated prices for outdated productions; that it gives it it's own legend almost. Sorry, there I go again. Just saying because it doesn't make much sense while the demand is so high, why the supply is so low. Let's get the supply back into play!
If people are actually pissed, they need to show it. Don't buy anything from the website. What is going to happen the next time something "limited" shows up in the Goods section is that people will buy it twice as fast. We can't be suckers. As long as we keep buying shit they won't have to care about "fans".
If people are actually pissed, they need to show it. Don't buy anything from the website. What is going to happen the next time something "limited" shows up in the Goods section is that people will buy it twice as fast. We can't be suckers. As long as we keep buying shit they won't have to care about "fans".
Unfortunately, when things become so limited people will buy it no matter what..some will buy it beccause they want it..others will buy it just because it is limited and is trade or ebay bait while others who want it miss out.
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If people are actually pissed, they need to show it. Don't buy anything from the website. What is going to happen the next time something "limited" shows up in the Goods section is that people will buy it twice as fast. We can't be suckers. As long as we keep buying shit they won't have to care about "fans".
that's the problem though. the band has us by our balls.
they know what an obsessive fanbase they serve, so no matter what gets made, there will be a long line of people with their wallets out waiting to pay.
i mean, have you SEEN the new shirts? not only are they ugly as shit, but they charge $7.50 for shipping. but people buy buy buy buy buy.
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When this band started, we all were listening to them on vinyl, or tape in the early 90s. We’re now at the point, where this is the most covered band that has produced arguably the largest amount of recorded music for their fans.
Am I upset that the blurays are now unavaiable, and likely permenantly? Yep. But there’s nothing more to do at this point. It’s too bad that the 10c gets in the way of our enjoyment of the band sometimes…so take them out…and cameron crowe and the editors, all who have remained silent. It’s time to do the best thing possible. Move on.
10c (and their lack of communication), Cameron Crowe, posters, t-shirts and yes, blurays…will not define my enjoyment of this band anymore. The music will.
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2013 - London, Seattle
2016 - Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
Long time supporter of the “occupy 10c for more pj20 blurays” movement.
When this band started, we all were listening to them on vinyl, or tape in the early 90s. We’re now at the point, where this is the most covered band that has produced arguably the largest amount of recorded music for their fans.
Am I upset that the blurays are now unavaiable, and likely permenantly? Yep. But there’s nothing more to do at this point. It’s too bad that the 10c gets in the way of our enjoyment of the band sometimes…so take them out…and cameron crowe and the editors, all who have remained silent. It’s time to do the best thing possible. Move on.
10c (and their lack of communication), Cameron Crowe, posters, t-shirts and yes, blurays…will not define my enjoyment of this band anymore. The music will.
Peace and love everyone...
Because that is how things get accomplished, give up. That is why nothing ever changes. It's good you love the music, but I think for some people they almost feel betrayed. I have seen the movie twice. I wanted the bluray, but I don't care anymore. But, if someone wants a copy they should have the chance, and I still want to know why people could buy as many copies as they wanted to, why didn't they only allow fanclub members to buy it. For a band that went out of their way to stem scalping, released official bootlegs for the fans, they screwed over fans with the dvd/Bluray release. The sad thing is we don't know who calls the shots on how merch is released. It is the band's decision or do they have some Head of Merchandising who decides just how limited these items will be? People know there won't be anymore copies of the movie, but they want answers. We support the band with our heard earned money, I think its fair to expect some answers.
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We know that they've now removed the Deluxe Sets from the Goods section, but this does not mean they still couldn't release a less expensive and unlimited version that would include all three discs. I just don't really understand why they would want to limit this in the first place, but hopefully at some point this thread will strike a chord and we'll all get what we would have liked to have had but did not get because we didn't understand that a "limited edition" could sell out before it was even released.
And as a side note, I did not wait until the release date to try and order the Deluxe DVD (not the Blu-ray) but at least two full weeks before the release date. October 12th to be exact.
Because that is how things get accomplished, give up. That is why nothing ever changes. It's good you love the music, but I think for some people they almost feel betrayed. I have seen the movie twice. I wanted the bluray, but I don't care anymore. But, if someone wants a copy they should have the chance, and I still want to know why people could buy as many copies as they wanted to, why didn't they only allow fanclub members to buy it. For a band that went out of their way to stem scalping, released official bootlegs for the fans, they screwed over fans with the dvd/Bluray release. The sad thing is we don't know who calls the shots on how merch is released. It is the band's decision or do they have some Head of Merchandising who decides just how limited these items will be? People know there won't be anymore copies of the movie, but they want answers. We support the band with our heard earned money, I think its fair to expect some answers.
Don't let yourself feel betrayed...it's one bluray - screw it. There will be something else, and even if there was nothing else, we got so much more stuff.
I've seen the moview three times, including twice in the theatres and one in toronto with Neil and Eddie for eff's sake.
Own your frustration with the music man...don't let 10c or anyone else dictate the way you feel.
My 22 shows:
1996 - Toronto
1998 - Montreal, Toronto
2000 - Montreal, Toronto
2003 - Toronto, Montreal
2004 - Boston I, Boston II
2005 - Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa
2011 - Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa
2013 - London, Seattle
2016 - Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
If people are actually pissed, they need to show it. Don't buy anything from the website. What is going to happen the next time something "limited" shows up in the Goods section is that people will buy it twice as fast. We can't be suckers. As long as we keep buying shit they won't have to care about "fans".
Unfortunately, when things become so limited people will buy it no matter what..some will buy it beccause they want it..others will buy it just because it is limited and is trade or ebay bait while others who want it miss out.
Completely agree with both of you (if that makes sense). Thats what's pissing me off about the recent "limited edition" trend. People (not even flippers) are buying stuff they don't want so they can just use it for trade. Not criticising anyone (cause I know it can be tempting at times). Just the way the club seems to operate these days.
What makes me the most upset about this situation is that the 10 Club, intentionally or not, is driving a wedge between their fan base. Call it what you want. The haves versus the have nots. The 1 percenters vs. the 99 percenters.
I know it's impossible to please everyone in the 10 Club, but it appears that the way they handled this deluxe set is really getting under the skin of some people. Kinda ironic that the fans who want this can't even access the Fans Are Alright.
Things have been awfully quiet from the 10 Club on this matter. It's like they want to sweep it under the rug as quietly as possible. We shouldn't let them do that.
Things have been awfully quiet from the 10 Club on this matter. It's like they want to sweep it under the rug as quietly as possible. We shouldn't let them do that.
Keep this petition going! Remember, the band is still on tour....let's hope they check in on their fan club when they are done and right this wrong.....
Despite everything this band and the 10c have done for us fans, if you truly feel betrayed by this situation or some of the other situations that have cropped up here recently, there is only one thing left to do.
Cancel your 10c membership and say goodbye.
Signing petitions and screaming from the mountain tops in forums hasn't done anything to change what you're complaining about. For reasons unknown (that are likely very sound), they aren't responding. These types of situations will continue to happen.
Because they aren't listening to you, you have no other course of action; unless you want to continue to sit here and take it and hear your cries continually unanswered.
Beside, if enough of you leave, I might be able to score some presale tickets next time...
To all you whiny babies complaining about the deluxe pj20 dvd & other 10 club stuff you don't like, don't renew your memberships and I'll glady bump myself up in seniority!!! :-)...Its that simple.
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It's been weeks and this is still going? Guess I'll throw my 2¢ into the pot.
I got a single deluxe blu-ray. I bought it the day after it was released in the theater, even though it was onsale prior. It was obviously a limited release. Seriously guys, a big part of me feels like you guys procrastinated when you knew this was a limited release, and it was still available after the movie was released.
However, after reading the comments, I am disappointed that 10c didn't limit the release first to 10c only members, at least initially, and then to the wider public. How was that obviously not a consideration, considering how rampant resellers can be on these sorts of things? Seems like 10c messed up pretty bad in that aspect.
Next time you see a limited release guys, don't procrastinate and then complain when it's gone. I'm sorry you don't all have access to it anymore, but that's what limited releases are. Some folks lose out. Life goes on.
It's been weeks and this is still going? Guess I'll throw my 2¢ into the pot.
I got a single deluxe blu-ray. I bought it the day after it was released in the theater, even though it was onsale prior. It was obviously a limited release. Seriously guys, a big part of me feels like you guys procrastinated when you knew this was a limited release, and it was still available after the movie was released.
However, after reading the comments, I am disappointed that 10c didn't limit the release first to 10c only members, at least initially, and then to the wider public. How was that obviously not a consideration, considering how rampant resellers can be on these sorts of things? Seems like 10c messed up pretty bad in that aspect.
Next time you see a limited release guys, don't procrastinate and then complain when it's gone. I'm sorry you don't all have access to it anymore, but that's what limited releases are. Some folks lose out. Life goes on.
"Life's sucks and you can't do anything about it" should never be a response to a problem, no matter how minor. If anything, I want to put even more effort behind this, because unlike so many other problems I feel as if this one could actually be solved since it's not all that important, and INCREDIBLY SIMPLE to solve.
Yeah, you can add me to the petition list. For some of us, there is an inability to being able to follow the new happenings of the band on the internet every day. I followd PJ20 as much as I could up until a couple months ago and didn't find out about this sale until after it was all sold out. Those of you saying we shouldn't have procrastinated are painting a pretty broad stroke. That these are being flipped for outrageous prices further solidifies the fact that the people who actually wanted to view the content are not necessarily the ones who had an ample opportunity to obtaine the content.
It's almost like piracy is being promoted when situtations such as this occur. Make an item that technicaly is not scarce (in reference to the bonus videos: a digital source is not a scarce source), scarce and then watch the pirates distribute it for you since you are so unwilling.
Everyone should have the chance to get this. Let everyone pre-order for 30 days... then produce that amount, whatever it is, even if it takes months to produce them again. You will have a lot of happy people!
Everyone should have the chance to get this. Let everyone pre-order for 30 days... then produce that amount, whatever it is, even if it takes months to produce them again. You will have a lot of happy people!
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Everyone should have the chance to get this. Let everyone pre-order for 30 days... then produce that amount, whatever it is, even if it takes months to produce them again. You will have a lot of happy people!
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Exactly....
Know how u feel..... I guess eventually the other disc will be available to overseas fans but I dont really want
a digital copy anyway but guess thats what I will have to do if I want to see the extra footage...
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yes. and abviosly the band have made enough money, because they're losing out on a windfall here.
Unfortunately, when things become so limited people will buy it no matter what..some will buy it beccause they want it..others will buy it just because it is limited and is trade or ebay bait while others who want it miss out.
that's the problem though. the band has us by our balls.
they know what an obsessive fanbase they serve, so no matter what gets made, there will be a long line of people with their wallets out waiting to pay.
i mean, have you SEEN the new shirts? not only are they ugly as shit, but they charge $7.50 for shipping. but people buy buy buy buy buy.
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Long time supporter of the “occupy 10c for more pj20 blurays” movement.
When this band started, we all were listening to them on vinyl, or tape in the early 90s. We’re now at the point, where this is the most covered band that has produced arguably the largest amount of recorded music for their fans.
Am I upset that the blurays are now unavaiable, and likely permenantly? Yep. But there’s nothing more to do at this point. It’s too bad that the 10c gets in the way of our enjoyment of the band sometimes…so take them out…and cameron crowe and the editors, all who have remained silent. It’s time to do the best thing possible. Move on.
Tons more music out there from many different sources. Don’t let this get us down anymore. It’s over and we lost…and if losing is getting access to performances like these from earlier this week in South America, losing has never felt so damn good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lKzR6Nq9kg (5:25 to end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UYqegzPRc&mid=52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bLwmjsLxI (7:20 to end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qZmeKdlC0
(thanks Dem)
10c (and their lack of communication), Cameron Crowe, posters, t-shirts and yes, blurays…will not define my enjoyment of this band anymore. The music will.
Peace and love everyone...
1996 - Toronto
1998 - Montreal, Toronto
2000 - Montreal, Toronto
2003 - Toronto, Montreal
2004 - Boston I, Boston II
2005 - Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa
2011 - Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa
2013 - London, Seattle
2016 - Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
Because that is how things get accomplished, give up. That is why nothing ever changes. It's good you love the music, but I think for some people they almost feel betrayed. I have seen the movie twice. I wanted the bluray, but I don't care anymore. But, if someone wants a copy they should have the chance, and I still want to know why people could buy as many copies as they wanted to, why didn't they only allow fanclub members to buy it. For a band that went out of their way to stem scalping, released official bootlegs for the fans, they screwed over fans with the dvd/Bluray release. The sad thing is we don't know who calls the shots on how merch is released. It is the band's decision or do they have some Head of Merchandising who decides just how limited these items will be? People know there won't be anymore copies of the movie, but they want answers. We support the band with our heard earned money, I think its fair to expect some answers.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
We know that they've now removed the Deluxe Sets from the Goods section, but this does not mean they still couldn't release a less expensive and unlimited version that would include all three discs. I just don't really understand why they would want to limit this in the first place, but hopefully at some point this thread will strike a chord and we'll all get what we would have liked to have had but did not get because we didn't understand that a "limited edition" could sell out before it was even released.
And as a side note, I did not wait until the release date to try and order the Deluxe DVD (not the Blu-ray) but at least two full weeks before the release date. October 12th to be exact.
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Don't let yourself feel betrayed...it's one bluray - screw it. There will be something else, and even if there was nothing else, we got so much more stuff.
I've seen the moview three times, including twice in the theatres and one in toronto with Neil and Eddie for eff's sake.
Own your frustration with the music man...don't let 10c or anyone else dictate the way you feel.
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Completely agree with both of you (if that makes sense). Thats what's pissing me off about the recent "limited edition" trend. People (not even flippers) are buying stuff they don't want so they can just use it for trade. Not criticising anyone (cause I know it can be tempting at times). Just the way the club seems to operate these days.
Redigested past regrets
I see things clearer
I know it's impossible to please everyone in the 10 Club, but it appears that the way they handled this deluxe set is really getting under the skin of some people. Kinda ironic that the fans who want this can't even access the Fans Are Alright.
Things have been awfully quiet from the 10 Club on this matter. It's like they want to sweep it under the rug as quietly as possible. We shouldn't let them do that.
or in their case, sweep it under the new tshirt
http://teammccready.tumblr.com
Cancel your 10c membership and say goodbye.
Signing petitions and screaming from the mountain tops in forums hasn't done anything to change what you're complaining about. For reasons unknown (that are likely very sound), they aren't responding. These types of situations will continue to happen.
Because they aren't listening to you, you have no other course of action; unless you want to continue to sit here and take it and hear your cries continually unanswered.
Beside, if enough of you leave, I might be able to score some presale tickets next time...
Montreal 10-04-2000
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New York City 07-09-2003
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Quebec City 09-20-2005
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Buffalo 2013
I got a single deluxe blu-ray. I bought it the day after it was released in the theater, even though it was onsale prior. It was obviously a limited release. Seriously guys, a big part of me feels like you guys procrastinated when you knew this was a limited release, and it was still available after the movie was released.
However, after reading the comments, I am disappointed that 10c didn't limit the release first to 10c only members, at least initially, and then to the wider public. How was that obviously not a consideration, considering how rampant resellers can be on these sorts of things? Seems like 10c messed up pretty bad in that aspect.
Next time you see a limited release guys, don't procrastinate and then complain when it's gone. I'm sorry you don't all have access to it anymore, but that's what limited releases are. Some folks lose out. Life goes on.
"Life's sucks and you can't do anything about it" should never be a response to a problem, no matter how minor. If anything, I want to put even more effort behind this, because unlike so many other problems I feel as if this one could actually be solved since it's not all that important, and INCREDIBLY SIMPLE to solve.
It's almost like piracy is being promoted when situtations such as this occur. Make an item that technicaly is not scarce (in reference to the bonus videos: a digital source is not a scarce source), scarce and then watch the pirates distribute it for you since you are so unwilling.
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