NOT FLIPPING! BUT......White Vinyl BS trade?

PJ-Cubs

dimitrispearljam wrote:

my friend Scott...flipping isnt i do a trade for have at my collection an item..understand what you say..
for sure someone needs the time is collector to get the item he wants ..in any way..
is that ok i want the ethical way between the fans?
someone looking to trade the white vinyl before 10c ship it for a poster of 96 worth 500???
he can do it..
but for sure i dont like his way,i will not do trades with him,i dont think him as a fan but as a flipper..
thats the way i feel about it..we have so shit in the world..we can fuckin choose to do the good in this community for once....we can do different..we can..and i can proove it to you... ,with things YOU DID for the community...
maybe its just me..see things this way..but at least at the end of the day
i can still fuckin look myself at the mirror..

I agree that there are a lot of great things that people do for each other on these boards. Lets hope that, not matter how limited the item is, that we never start helping each other out around here. There has been a lot of negative vibes around here (from myself included) in the last few weeks with all of the limited edition PJ merch (PJ20 posters, backpacks, White Backspacers).

pjtradeking

dimitrispearljam wrote:

my friend Scott...flipping isnt i do a trade for have at my collection an item..understand what you say..
for sure someone needs the time is collector to get the item he wants ..in any way..
is that ok i want the ethical way between the fans?
someone looking to trade the white vinyl before 10c ship it for a poster of 96 worth 500???
he can do it..
but for sure i dont like his way,i will not do trades with him,i dont think him as a fan but as a flipper..
thats the way i feel about it..we have so shit in the world..we can fuckin choose to do the good in this community for once....we can do different..we can..and i can proove it to you... ,with things YOU DID for the community...
maybe its just me..see things this way..but at least at the end of the day
i can still fuckin look myself at the mirror..

Dimi....what is unethical about two people making and agreed upon trade where both parties are getting what they want out of it??. arent we doing good in the community if two parties get something that each of them want? I am not talking about going to ebay and making $ on the item, I am talking about a straight up trade....regardless of perceived value, the two people involved are both getting what they want, right? There will ALWAYS be someone who missed out on something for whatever reason...Money...timing....amount available, etc......that is just the way life is...I guess I just dont see it as unethical to trade something whether new or old....

There are many things that go on here that would constitute good in this community..It happens everyday, and you and many others are a big part of that(hell, I have even done my share of good things, believe it or not)...I just dont see this as wrong...Again, it is about perception...What may be acceptable to me and many others, may not be to you and many others....But as I stated...If the two people involved are ok with it, why shouldnt everyone else be? Because they got left out? Because they didnt happen to be on line when the item was released? Because the site locked up when they hit the submit button? I mean, where is the line drawn and by whom? We are the judge, the jury and the executioners here, but sometimes, we are our own worst enemy in some cases....

I RESPECT you and most everyone here, but at the end of the day, I guess we agree to disagree here(and that is ok, it is what makes the world go round)...I can still look at myself in the mirror at the end of the day too...:-)

dimitrispearljam

pjtradeking wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

my friend Scott...flipping isnt i do a trade for have at my collection an item..understand what you say..
for sure someone needs the time is collector to get the item he wants ..in any way..
is that ok i want the ethical way between the fans?
someone looking to trade the white vinyl before 10c ship it for a poster of 96 worth 500???
he can do it..
but for sure i dont like his way,i will not do trades with him,i dont think him as a fan but as a flipper..
thats the way i feel about it..we have so shit in the world..we can fuckin choose to do the good in this community for once....we can do different..we can..and i can proove it to you... ,with things YOU DID for the community...
maybe its just me..see things this way..but at least at the end of the day
i can still fuckin look myself at the mirror..

Dimi....what is unethical about two people making and agreed upon trade where both parties are getting what they want out of it??. arent we doing good in the community if two parties get something that each of them want? I am not talking about going to ebay and making $ on the item, I am talking about a straight up trade....regardless of perceived value, the two people involved are both getting what they want, right? There will ALWAYS be someone who missed out on something for whatever reason...Money...timing....amount available, etc......that is just the way life is...I guess I just dont see it as unethical to trade something whether new or old....

There are many things that go on here that would constitute good in this community..It happens everyday, and you and many others are a big part of that(hell, I have even done my share of good things, believe it or not)...I just dont see this as wrong...Again, it is about perception...What may be acceptable to me and many others, may not be to you and many others....But as I stated...If the two people involved are ok with it, why shouldnt everyone else be? Because they got left out? Because they didnt happen to be on line when the item was released? Because the site locked up when they hit the submit button? I mean, where is the line drawn and by whom? We are the judge, the jury and the executioners here, but sometimes, we are our own worst enemy in some cases....

I RESPECT you and most everyone here, but at the end of the day, I guess we agree to disagree here(and that is ok, it is what makes the world go round)...I can still look at myself in the mirror at the end of the day too...:-)

buddy,,i m talking for the one open a thread and ask a poster of 500$ at the market and gives the white backspacer he just bought from 10c....if 2 parties wanna do the trade,is their business,not mine..we agree at this..

pjtradeking

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pjtradeking wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

my friend Scott...flipping isnt i do a trade for have at my collection an item..understand what you say..
for sure someone needs the time is collector to get the item he wants ..in any way..
is that ok i want the ethical way between the fans?
someone looking to trade the white vinyl before 10c ship it for a poster of 96 worth 500???
he can do it..
but for sure i dont like his way,i will not do trades with him,i dont think him as a fan but as a flipper..
thats the way i feel about it..we have so shit in the world..we can fuckin choose to do the good in this community for once....we can do different..we can..and i can proove it to you... ,with things YOU DID for the community...
maybe its just me..see things this way..but at least at the end of the day
i can still fuckin look myself at the mirror..

Dimi....what is unethical about two people making and agreed upon trade where both parties are getting what they want out of it??. arent we doing good in the community if two parties get something that each of them want? I am not talking about going to ebay and making $ on the item, I am talking about a straight up trade....regardless of perceived value, the two people involved are both getting what they want, right? There will ALWAYS be someone who missed out on something for whatever reason...Money...timing....amount available, etc......that is just the way life is...I guess I just dont see it as unethical to trade something whether new or old....

There are many things that go on here that would constitute good in this community..It happens everyday, and you and many others are a big part of that(hell, I have even done my share of good things, believe it or not)...I just dont see this as wrong...Again, it is about perception...What may be acceptable to me and many others, may not be to you and many others....But as I stated...If the two people involved are ok with it, why shouldnt everyone else be? Because they got left out? Because they didnt happen to be on line when the item was released? Because the site locked up when they hit the submit button? I mean, where is the line drawn and by whom? We are the judge, the jury and the executioners here, but sometimes, we are our own worst enemy in some cases....

I RESPECT you and most everyone here, but at the end of the day, I guess we agree to disagree here(and that is ok, it is what makes the world go round)...I can still look at myself in the mirror at the end of the day too...:-)

buddy,,i m talking for the one open a thread and ask a poster of 500$ at the market and gives the white backspacer he just bought from 10c....if 2 parties wanna do the trade,is their business,not mine..we agree at this..

But.....What if..and I am not trying to be an asshole here, just playing devils advocate....someone posted having a white backspacer just bought from the 10c for trade, not asking for anything in particluar in return, or maybe they are looking for a backpack...., and someone OFFERED up a 96 Dublin for it? Knowing full well what the perceived value of said poster is, even though they paid $10 for it back in the day?? Would this be acceptable?

dimitrispearljam

pjtradeking wrote:

But.....What if..and I am not trying to be an asshole here, just playing devils advocate....someone posted having a white backspacer just bought from the 10c for trade, not asking for anything in particluar in return, or maybe they are looking for a backpack...., and someone OFFERED up a 96 Dublin for it? Knowing full well what the perceived value of said poster is, even though they paid $10 for it back in the day?? Would this be acceptable?

if there will be a crazy ..i mean crazy like nuts..to give that poster for this vinyl.....
i give up...and ill pray for him to get well soon..

pjtradeking

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pjtradeking wrote:

But.....What if..and I am not trying to be an asshole here, just playing devils advocate....someone posted having a white backspacer just bought from the 10c for trade, not asking for anything in particluar in return, or maybe they are looking for a backpack...., and someone OFFERED up a 96 Dublin for it? Knowing full well what the perceived value of said poster is, even though they paid $10 for it back in the day?? Would this be acceptable?

if there will be a crazy ..i mean crazy like nuts..to give that poster for this vinyl.....
i give up...and ill pray for him to get well soon..

pdalowsky

Very very well put Scott. Bravo.

Very much onside with you here.

pjtradeking wrote:

Been a long time since I have been bashed around here, so I am going to throw in my two cents and then let you all drag me through the coals...

Although I am pretty much out of the collecting game these days for reasons known by most.....

I see it a little bit differently..AS A COLLECTOR...when I was playing the game.....I still dont see a problem with any of what I have read, and while I see both sides of the argument, I still think I side here:

Backpack goes on sale in the middle of the night/day and I miss out on it....sucks for me....I make a couple of inquiries to friends that I think may have got an extra...NO LUCK....I then happen to be on line when the white backspacer goes on sale...I absentmindedly snatch one(more than likely 2) up for the sole purpose of trading it for the backpack....I guess in most peoples eyes, I am now the devil/flipper..But I have achieved my goal, and have filled a hole in my collection....I dont care if it is 2 days or 2 years down the road...If I have something that I WANT....and someone else is willing to trade me for something they WANT, regardless of the time frame or value, and both parties are ok with it....I guess I have no problem with that, and I do not consider it flipping...

To me, it is no different than the people who missed out on it posting a thread that says something like...HAVE LOST DOGS VINYL WILL TRADE FOR BACKPACK....I dont see many people being pissed at those people who are looking for something?? I only see the anger come out when the person who got the backpack, makes a post for the exact opposite...HAVE AN EXTRA BACKPACK...LOOKING FOR LOST DOG VINYL....This person would be dragged behind a truck around here and we all know it...

We are a hypocritical group at best....It just depends on when and where we are at the time as to how severe the beating will be.....While I have the UTMOST respect for the views of folks like dimi, pj-cubs, shep, drsluggo, frank bauer and many many others, and consider them all friends, I would not hesitate to do what I had to do to obtain something I needed for my collection, regardless of what people thought, because as I said, at the end of the day, if a person has something I want...and I have something they want....I dont see an issue...Do I feel bad for the folks who missed out? Certainly do...but I have missed out on my share of things over the years....But if it is something I want, I will figure out a way to get it....

Sorry, just how I feel about it....:-)

pdalowsky

Another solid point FrankBauer

FrankBauer wrote:

shep wrote:

starmap3333 wrote:

buying to trade, although not profitable, is still acquiring something for $x and receiving something for >$X in return... is it not?

bingo. simple, to the point, I couldn't have stated it better with a long rant. :thumbup:

but the >$x used to also be = $x. and the recently purchased $x = >$x the minute it sells out.

its a cycle. and the only way to get around it by your theory is to treat everything as face value - the original purchased value. so the benny vinyl should always be $35. if you dont agree with this, then define it. what's your grace period that it becomes acceptable to trade/sell. when does $x become >$x? are the pj20 alpine posters still $30? how about the emek edmonton? or how about the backpack? or the PJ bridge poster signed by Ed, should that still be $60? when in your book will it become acceptable to trade/move these items for over face value?

you will never know intent - why someone purchased something. circumstances change, so even if the intent was there, it may not be a week later. so put a timetable on it when you feel like its acceptable to move an item (selling or trading) without scrutiny from the lynch mob here.

elwayvedder

copying and pasting my comments from another thread as it fits here. thanks

everyone here on both sides have valid points but from seeing in another thread where people should be reported for selling something that is their's to do with? That's a little rough isn't it? Who are we to report someone for selling something that is their's? I mean if I want to sell mine, raffle it off to charity, or serve my kids breakfast on it, its up to me and no one else. I bought it. If I want to run my car off a cliff, i can because its mine, I bought it.

This is different in my opinion than the backpack. For the white vinyl, it never said "Not for resale" etc. I believe anyway. Anyway, that's my 2 cents and I will sit back and enjoy watching the great points from both sides carry on!

shep

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pjtradeking wrote:

But.....What if..and I am not trying to be an asshole here, just playing devils advocate....someone posted having a white backspacer just bought from the 10c for trade, not asking for anything in particluar in return, or maybe they are looking for a backpack...., and someone OFFERED up a 96 Dublin for it? Knowing full well what the perceived value of said poster is, even though they paid $10 for it back in the day?? Would this be acceptable?

if there will be a crazy ..i mean crazy like nuts..to give that poster for this vinyl.....
i give up...and ill pray for him to get well soon..

Dimi, please introduce me to this person... cause I have a BS white vinyl. :twisted:

Like I said, this debate can rage on with no real answer... I like scott and would trade with him if I needed to ( ), but my opinion is definitely the opposite... I'm on the side where I'm thinking of trying to continue to build my collection without having to part with other items in my collection..... I guess my thing is that I don't intentionally buy doubles of anything so that I have trade items... and I don't intentionally buy things that I don't intend to keep.... but seeing the way the world works around here lately... I guess I should be...

SVRDhand13

pjtradeking wrote:

Been a long time since I have been bashed around here, so I am going to throw in my two cents and then let you all drag me through the coals...

Although I am pretty much out of the collecting game these days for reasons known by most.....

I see it a little bit differently..AS A COLLECTOR...when I was playing the game.....I still dont see a problem with any of what I have read, and while I see both sides of the argument, I still think I side here:

Backpack goes on sale in the middle of the night/day and I miss out on it....sucks for me....I make a couple of inquiries to friends that I think may have got an extra...NO LUCK....I then happen to be on line when the white backspacer goes on sale...I absentmindedly snatch one(more than likely 2) up for the sole purpose of trading it for the backpack....I guess in most peoples eyes, I am now the devil/flipper..But I have achieved my goal, and have filled a hole in my collection....I dont care if it is 2 days or 2 years down the road...If I have something that I WANT....and someone else is willing to trade me for something they WANT, regardless of the time frame or value, and both parties are ok with it....I guess I have no problem with that, and I do not consider it flipping...

To me, it is no different than the people who missed out on it posting a thread that says something like...HAVE LOST DOGS VINYL WILL TRADE FOR BACKPACK....I dont see many people being pissed at those people who are looking for something?? I only see the anger come out when the person who got the backpack, makes a post for the exact opposite...HAVE AN EXTRA BACKPACK...LOOKING FOR LOST DOG VINYL....This person would be dragged behind a truck around here and we all know it...

We are a hypocritical group at best....It just depends on when and where we are at the time as to how severe the beating will be.....While I have the UTMOST respect for the views of folks like dimi, pj-cubs, shep, drsluggo, frank bauer and many many others, and consider them all friends, I would not hesitate to do what I had to do to obtain something I needed for my collection, regardless of what people thought, because as I said, at the end of the day, if a person has something I want...and I have something they want....I dont see an issue...Do I feel bad for the folks who missed out? Certainly do...but I have missed out on my share of things over the years....But if it is something I want, I will figure out a way to get it....

Sorry, just how I feel about it....:-)

Best post Ive seen about the entire situation .

drsluggo

elwayvedder wrote:

copying and pasting my comments from another thread as it fits here. thanks

everyone here on both sides have valid points but from seeing in another thread where people should be reported for selling something that is their's to do with? That's a little rough isn't it? Who are we to report someone for selling something that is their's? I mean if I want to sell mine, raffle it off to charity, or serve my kids breakfast on it, its up to me and no one else. I bought it. If I want to run my car off a cliff, i can because its mine, I bought it.

This is different in my opinion than the backpack. For the white vinyl, it never said "Not for resale" etc. I believe anyway. Anyway, that's my 2 cents and I will sit back and enjoy watching the great points from both sides carry on!

Yeah I think the reporting stuff is the hope that people who buy just to sell are booted from the TC and thus can't keep up the cycle of sucking up limited items to resell the next day. I know policing the auction sites is a controversial thing around here, but I can understand why people selling 'not for sale' items should have their ability to purchase future not for sale items revoked.

As for the white vinyl... they never had a limit either but went back and changed it as they see fit. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the TC will boot you if they feel they have reason to -- whether it was set in writing or not. For better or worse, they can make those executive decisions and there's nothing you can do about it (no matter how many 'lawyers' are called).

As I type this I guess it feels like the the concept of buying to trade for more expensive items is the same as buying to sell, which would make 'not for resale' items that much more complicated for trading. You buy a B/S white and want to trade for say a Binaural Vinyl which is $100+ these days, right? You could do two things that could be considered 'flipping':

1. Buy an extra B/S white and offer a straight-up trade, essentially valuing your vinyl at $100+ (this of course disregards what the Binaural vinyl was originally bought for)

2. Buy an extra B/S white, sell it for $100+ and use that money to buy a Binaural vinyl

Both accomplish the same thing and have the same intent, but you'd be crucified for doing #2 while #1 sits in a huge grey area.

I don't know the answer and I'd bet there isn't a solid one that could be agreed upon, but I think its safe to say both sides of this argument have a lot of ammo to work with.

pdalowsky

Absolutely Dave. Whether people agree or disagree on this very boring and overplayed debate..... To report someone is something else entirely.

Everyone knows I'm a collector - I buy things for me only. I have out of a few thousand pj items only a handful of doubles...and that's only because at times I've been a complete idiot and bought something I have without even knowing

You have to wonder what the tenc would think if they get emails reporting members for selling something that was not not for resale and I suppose even if it was stated not for sale. It's like telling tales at school right? They must feel like they are dealing the school yard.

Obviously this isn't going 'to go away. They are releasing limited products for a reason... And naturally limited products are gonna create a huge secondary market. They do every time. I'm
A sucker for them so on occasion I've been whacked by a flipper.... I wasn't upset - no one made me do it and I got something I really wanted. Sure it would have been nice at cost price... But I missed those sales and I tend to live in the real world. There are only so many nice people out there who are not driven by the $ like 'the rest of the world is

But frankly reporting these things is downright crazy. I simply don't have enough time to get involved and 'police' what others do with their possessions nor the interest/inclination

elwayvedder wrote:

copying and pasting my comments from another thread as it fits here. thanks

everyone here on both sides have valid points but from seeing in another thread where people should be reported for selling something that is their's to do with? That's a little rough isn't it? Who are we to report someone for selling something that is their's? I mean if I want to sell mine, raffle it off to charity, or serve my kids breakfast on it, its up to me and no one else. I bought it. If I want to run my car off a cliff, i can because its mine, I bought it.

This is different in my opinion than the backpack. For the white vinyl, it never said "Not for resale" etc. I believe anyway. Anyway, that's my 2 cents and I will sit back and enjoy watching the great points from both sides carry on!

hostis

it seems to me that the only major issue about flipping is time.

people seem to object if an item such as a backpack is sold for a 500% profit 3 weeks after it sold out through 10c, yet it seems acceptable for Benny Hall vinyl or Lost Dogs vinyl to be sold for 1000% profit a few years after it sold out from 10c?

I'd love to see what happens when I put my SOLAT promo or Alive 12" promo on ebay. These are stated on the sleeves "NOT FOR RESALE". Is that inferring that if I sell these someone will report me to 10 Club?

theserialthrilla

pjtradeking wrote:

Been a long time since I have been bashed around here, so I am going to throw in my two cents and then let you all drag me through the coals...

Although I am pretty much out of the collecting game these days for reasons known by most.....

I see it a little bit differently..AS A COLLECTOR...when I was playing the game.....I still dont see a problem with any of what I have read, and while I see both sides of the argument, I still think I side here:

Backpack goes on sale in the middle of the night/day and I miss out on it....sucks for me....I make a couple of inquiries to friends that I think may have got an extra...NO LUCK....I then happen to be on line when the white backspacer goes on sale...I absentmindedly snatch one(more than likely 2) up for the sole purpose of trading it for the backpack....I guess in most peoples eyes, I am now the devil/flipper..But I have achieved my goal, and have filled a hole in my collection....I dont care if it is 2 days or 2 years down the road...If I have something that I WANT....and someone else is willing to trade me for something they WANT, regardless of the time frame or value, and both parties are ok with it....I guess I have no problem with that, and I do not consider it flipping...

To me, it is no different than the people who missed out on it posting a thread that says something like...HAVE LOST DOGS VINYL WILL TRADE FOR BACKPACK....I dont see many people being pissed at those people who are looking for something?? I only see the anger come out when the person who got the backpack, makes a post for the exact opposite...HAVE AN EXTRA BACKPACK...LOOKING FOR LOST DOG VINYL....This person would be dragged behind a truck around here and we all know it...

We are a hypocritical group at best....It just depends on when and where we are at the time as to how severe the beating will be.....While I have the UTMOST respect for the views of folks like dimi, pj-cubs, shep, drsluggo, frank bauer and many many others, and consider them all friends, I would not hesitate to do what I had to do to obtain something I needed for my collection, regardless of what people thought, because as I said, at the end of the day, if a person has something I want...and I have something they want....I dont see an issue...Do I feel bad for the folks who missed out? Certainly do...but I have missed out on my share of things over the years....But if it is something I want, I will figure out a way to get it....

Sorry, just how I feel about it....:-)

hits the nail on he head..

and also a white backspacer was valued at $800-1000 plus until the day of the sale..trust me i know i paid $800 a year ago

can we just let the mods/tim etc do the policing on here...some of you are taking this all to far.

theserialthrilla

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pjtradeking wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

my friend Scott...flipping isnt i do a trade for have at my collection an item..understand what you say..
for sure someone needs the time is collector to get the item he wants ..in any way..
is that ok i want the ethical way between the fans?
someone looking to trade the white vinyl before 10c ship it for a poster of 96 worth 500???
he can do it..
but for sure i dont like his way,i will not do trades with him,i dont think him as a fan but as a flipper..
thats the way i feel about it..we have so shit in the world..we can fuckin choose to do the good in this community for once....we can do different..we can..and i can proove it to you... ,with things YOU DID for the community...
maybe its just me..see things this way..but at least at the end of the day
i can still fuckin look myself at the mirror..

Dimi....what is unethical about two people making and agreed upon trade where both parties are getting what they want out of it??. arent we doing good in the community if two parties get something that each of them want? I am not talking about going to ebay and making $ on the item, I am talking about a straight up trade....regardless of perceived value, the two people involved are both getting what they want, right? There will ALWAYS be someone who missed out on something for whatever reason...Money...timing....amount available, etc......that is just the way life is...I guess I just dont see it as unethical to trade something whether new or old....

There are many things that go on here that would constitute good in this community..It happens everyday, and you and many others are a big part of that(hell, I have even done my share of good things, believe it or not)...I just dont see this as wrong...Again, it is about perception...What may be acceptable to me and many others, may not be to you and many others....But as I stated...If the two people involved are ok with it, why shouldnt everyone else be? Because they got left out? Because they didnt happen to be on line when the item was released? Because the site locked up when they hit the submit button? I mean, where is the line drawn and by whom? We are the judge, the jury and the executioners here, but sometimes, we are our own worst enemy in some cases....

I RESPECT you and most everyone here, but at the end of the day, I guess we agree to disagree here(and that is ok, it is what makes the world go round)...I can still look at myself in the mirror at the end of the day too...:-)

buddy,,i m talking for the one open a thread and ask a poster of 500$ at the market and gives the white backspacer he just bought from 10c....if 2 parties wanna do the trade,is their business,not mine..we agree at this..

was that poster not once $30 as well..what are we pissed at here the time scale of a backpack/vinyl getting to $300 over a poster from 98

pdalowsky

theserialthrilla wrote:

pjtradeking wrote:

Been a long time since I have been bashed around here, so I am going to throw in my two cents and then let you all drag me through the coals...

Although I am pretty much out of the collecting game these days for reasons known by most.....

I see it a little bit differently..AS A COLLECTOR...when I was playing the game.....I still dont see a problem with any of what I have read, and while I see both sides of the argument, I still think I side here:

Backpack goes on sale in the middle of the night/day and I miss out on it....sucks for me....I make a couple of inquiries to friends that I think may have got an extra...NO LUCK....I then happen to be on line when the white backspacer goes on sale...I absentmindedly snatch one(more than likely 2) up for the sole purpose of trading it for the backpack....I guess in most peoples eyes, I am now the devil/flipper..But I have achieved my goal, and have filled a hole in my collection....I dont care if it is 2 days or 2 years down the road...If I have something that I WANT....and someone else is willing to trade me for something they WANT, regardless of the time frame or value, and both parties are ok with it....I guess I have no problem with that, and I do not consider it flipping...

To me, it is no different than the people who missed out on it posting a thread that says something like...HAVE LOST DOGS VINYL WILL TRADE FOR BACKPACK....I dont see many people being pissed at those people who are looking for something?? I only see the anger come out when the person who got the backpack, makes a post for the exact opposite...HAVE AN EXTRA BACKPACK...LOOKING FOR LOST DOG VINYL....This person would be dragged behind a truck around here and we all know it...

We are a hypocritical group at best....It just depends on when and where we are at the time as to how severe the beating will be.....While I have the UTMOST respect for the views of folks like dimi, pj-cubs, shep, drsluggo, frank bauer and many many others, and consider them all friends, I would not hesitate to do what I had to do to obtain something I needed for my collection, regardless of what people thought, because as I said, at the end of the day, if a person has something I want...and I have something they want....I dont see an issue...Do I feel bad for the folks who missed out? Certainly do...but I have missed out on my share of things over the years....But if it is something I want, I will figure out a way to get it....

Sorry, just how I feel about it....:-)

hits the nail on he head..

and also a white backspacer was valued at $800-1000 plus until the day of the sale..trust me i know i paid $800 a year ago

can we just let the mods/tim etc do the policing on here...some of you are taking this all to far.

Now thats a very sensible idea Thrilla.....I dont think they need an army of foot soldier tell tales backing them up....

dimitrispearljam

theserialthrilla wrote:

was that poster not once $30 as well..what are we pissed at here the time scale of a backpack/vinyl getting to $300 over a poster from 98

the dollar at 96 was different than 2011 Kevin.the market make a rare item is different an item release at 96 than 2011...if dont guys dont wanna see what im taking about its fine.,.,
but the flippers put the prices up..playing their game and i dont like it..
you will not pay 800 for that vinyl kevin..now you know there are 5000 of the them and 10c sold them and you can find it here at face value than ebay,or a flipper,right?
who play that game and you pay 800 cos was 100 pressed only?
in one word????

bullshit...kevin..big one...

pdalowsky

dimitrispearljam wrote:

theserialthrilla wrote:

was that poster not once $30 as well..what are we pissed at here the time scale of a backpack/vinyl getting to $300 over a poster from 98

the dollar at 96 was different than 2011 Kevin.the market make a rare item is different an item release at 96 than 2011...if dont guys dont wanna see what im taking about its fine.,.,
but the flippers put the prices up..playing their game and i dont like it..
you will not pay 800 for that vinyl kevin..now you know there are 5000 of the them and 10c sold them and you can find it here at face value than ebay,or a flipper,right?
who play that game and you pay 800 cos was 100 pressed only?
in one word????

bullshit...kevin..big one...

the burning question Dimi is how long till the market makes the item rare and worth more than original price?

Is it acceptable to pay $250 for a Klausen DC, or failing that even $350-400 for the Bridge 2010 AP.....or should that be offered at $60?

dimitrispearljam

pdalowsky wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

theserialthrilla wrote:

was that poster not once $30 as well..what are we pissed at here the time scale of a backpack/vinyl getting to $300 over a poster from 98

the dollar at 96 was different than 2011 Kevin.the market make a rare item is different an item release at 96 than 2011...if dont guys dont wanna see what im taking about its fine.,.,
but the flippers put the prices up..playing their game and i dont like it..
you will not pay 800 for that vinyl kevin..now you know there are 5000 of the them and 10c sold them and you can find it here at face value than ebay,or a flipper,right?
who play that game and you pay 800 cos was 100 pressed only?
in one word????

bullshit...kevin..big one...

the burning question Dimi is how long till the market makes the item rare and worth more than original price?

Is it acceptable to pay $250 for a Klausen DC, or failing that even $350-400 for the Bridge 2010 AP.....or should that be offered at $60?

i dont know..im not the market.i dont talk about ebay or other sites,im talking about trades and sales here.
here need some how to be protected by flippers..thats why Santos did the right thing
some people lost the chance to help friend,and flippers to do their business
when someone offers his white backspacer for dublin 96 poster at lost dog forum before 10c even ship the vinyl.in my dictionary called flipper and i dont like it..
thats all im saying...from there ,everyone can do what he wants..