I'll post whatever I please... remember I must listen to others I don't agree with you can listen to me
or not,
and we can all be respectful.
I prefer compromise as I said and being level headed and peaceful as I said.
I guess you must believe only violence brings change . I do not.
I said there will be some who are filled with hate not all you twist my words again.
My mantra is about accepting other people and their choices and loving them no matter if I agree or not.
I think that very much has a place in this world.
But I can see you do not. To each their own again.
Those are my quotes and I stand by them ... of course all good ... People only like people with shared mindset I guess
pertaining to the call out others for trolling... those who do not agree
not ...something I do ... troll or call out
you should know forgiveness and be tolerant and understanding
we all should yes
cast no stones... and live and let live this everyone can do
everyone learns eventually all in good time
I think this is true yes we are all learning
but wow going to other threads ok...
and if I would like to give a positive towards our police force I will do so. I did not say those couple or few were right.
Level playing field.
We will always have plenty of negative here to the point of being way out of balance.
I thought it was important to remember policemen are heroes everyday too.
Positive hurts sometimes I know
I prefer compromise as I said and being level headed and peaceful as I said.
I guess you must believe only violence brings change . I do not.
Name one example Pandora of social change where compromise and level-headedness brought the change rather than people standing up and demanding that change.
You cannot reason with the unreasonable.
While you're looking for that example, you may want to look up the civil rights movement, the suffragette movement, the women's rights movement, MLK, Jr. and the like. None of those movements happened by sitting on asses and asking nicely for compromise.
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
Fighting for handouts like the Tea People do?
No I meant that some people at this "occupy Wall street" are fighting for what they believe is justice and others are simply fighting for handouts (pay off my student loans, etc.).
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
Explain how you think certain individuals in the crowd of hundreds of people are only there for handouts. Where's that proof? The general consensus is that they're all there, basically against corporate greed and that the top 1% dictate over the 99%. It's funny how you would take this protest, which isn't unlike any other protest in history, except that it's generally peaceful, is somehow reflective of the Tea Party. :roll:
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
Explain how you think certain individuals in the crowd of hundreds of people are only there for handouts. Where's that proof? The general consensus is that they're all there, basically against corporate greed and that the top 1% dictate over the 99%. It's funny how you would take this protest, which isn't unlike any other protest in history, except that it's generally peaceful, is somehow reflective of the Tea Party. :roll:
Well, since some people are complaining about having to pay back student loans and want them to go away...there's your handout for ya.
And my only point in that and comparing it to the Tea Party is exactly what I already wrote, it's now becoming a large group of individuals with a lot of different issues. Just like the Tea Party. They started out with fiscal conservatism at it's core but in order to gain a big following and be relevant they took on a lot of people and a lot of other issues.
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
Explain how you think certain individuals in the crowd of hundreds of people are only there for handouts. Where's that proof? The general consensus is that they're all there, basically against corporate greed and that the top 1% dictate over the 99%. It's funny how you would take this protest, which isn't unlike any other protest in history, except that it's generally peaceful, is somehow reflective of the Tea Party. :roll:
to me it is funny how in the past the big threat to democracy was communism. communism could not kill democracy. ironically enough it is capitalism that is destroying democracy. and these people are angry about it.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
Fighting for handouts like the Tea People do?
Maybe 'fighting' is the wrong word. The Tea People want all their government programs without having to pay for them.
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
Fighting for handouts like the Tea People do?
Maybe 'fighting' is the wrong word. The Tea People want all their government programs without having to pay for them.
Ah, ok, sorry, I really didn't know what you meant there.
they are dressed like Zombies today :?
walking like Zombies too
I missed why that was...
Because they all graduated with liberal arts degrees in film making and are pissed off that there aren't any jobs out there to pay off their $300,000/each in debt they are for spending 10 years getting that degree!!!
For those that do not know what the Tea Party is about ........A movement of millions of like-minded Americans from all backgrounds and political parties. Tea Party members share similar core principles supporting the United States Constitution as the Founders intended, such as:
• Limited federal government
• Individual freedoms
• Personal responsibility
• Free markets
• Returning political power to the states and the people
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
As US student loan debt nears $1tn, it's time for the banks that stole these young people's future to do the right thing
Robert Applebaum
guardian.co.uk, Monday 3 October 2011
As the Occupy Wall Street protest enters its third straight week in New York and continues spreading all across the country, what is abundantly clear is that "the other 99%" – as opposed to the super-wealthy 1% who've been coddled for decades under the failed economic premise that cutting their taxes and providing them with countless tax shelters, loopholes and other breaks will "trickle down" to the masses – are simply fed up with the status quo. So they are doing the one thing within their power to make their voices heard.
The Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act fell far short of addressing the practices and behavior that lead to the near-collapse of the world economy. Corporations are sitting on record levels of cash, but are refusing to hire. Personal debt, including mortgages, credit cards and especially student loan debt have reached astronomical levels. All this is true, yet Washington, DC and the bankers on Wall Street seem tone deaf to the needs of the people.
For two and a half years, I have been advocating for a new way of stimulating economic growth from the bottom-up – a "trickle-up" approach to rebuilding the economy that reflects the realities of the 21st century via the campaign Forgiving Student Loan Debt. The argument is simple: relieving middle-class people of their educational debts would enable them to begin spending money in ailing sectors of the economy, start businesses and families and buy homes – that is, to have the "American Dream" that seems more and more out of reach with each passing day.
For the first time in history, total student loan debt recently surpassed total credit card debt in the US: current and former students collectively owe approximately $946bn in student loan debt, with no sign of this accumulation slowing down. In fact, it's projected to exceed $1tn within the year. Student loans have been stripped of nearly all basic consumer protections that every other type of debt enjoys, including bankruptcy protections and statutes of limitations. So, while you can have your business, credit card, mortgage and even your gambling debts discharged or restructured in bankruptcy court, student loan debt is with you for life – and sometimes beyond.
By turning education into a commodity where the students must personally bear the full costs of an educational system that, in fact, benefits all of society, not just the students themselves, we've shifted the ever-increasing burden of skyrocketing tuition costs down the socio-economic ladder onto those who can least afford to shoulder them. Couple that with a job market that's been utterly decimated by the irresponsibility and greed of those at the very top, the underlying reasons for the Occupy Wall Street protests start to come into focus.
If the Federal Reserve can hand out over $16tn in loans, at little to no interest, to the very institutions that caused the financial collapse in the first place, why must average Americans borrow money at upwards of 8% or more just to obtain an education?
How can we expect the housing market ever to improve when those we generally rely upon to purchase homes – college grads and professionals – are buried under tens of thousands of dollars or more in student loan debt, from which there is almost no escape?
If education is "the great equaliser" it's always touted to be, then why have over 432,000 people signed a petition in favor of student loan forgiveness as a means of economic stimulus? In the two and a half years that I've been working on this issue, I have yet to come across a single person who doesn't want to pay back what they actually borrowed (as opposed to three, four or five times the sum they borrowed); but they simply don't have the means to do so.
For more than 30 years, the rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer and the middle class has been nearly squeezed out of existence. Forgiving student loan debt would not only provide for a sustained economic stimulus over the course of the next 20-30 years by allowing educated Americans to use the money productively – rather than have to spend it on repaying several times the amount they borrowed to obtain a degree that no longer has the same value it once did. That would not only grow the economy, but it would also serve as a reaffirmation that an education is actually worth pursuing.
The American taxpayers bailed out Wall Street for their recklessness. It's time for Wall Street to do right by the American people who did absolutely nothing wrong, but who feel punished every day.
I cannot believe these people are protesting having to pay there bills. If Americans had known they would not have to pay for college, don't you think most everyone would have attended? How in the world could forgiving there debt help the economy. It is not going to create jobs.
On the other hand, these people went to collage to get good jobs and make more money than one would make if they had not gone to collage. Therefore, they had a goal to make lots of money. Maybe even become VERY successful and be one of the 1% they are protesting against. Isn't it ironic?
The police are not going to attack unless they are provoked.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
For those that do not know what the Tea Party is about ........A movement of millions of like-minded Americans from all backgrounds and political parties. Tea Party members share similar core principles supporting the United States Constitution as the Founders intended, such as:
• Limited federal government
• Individual freedoms
• Personal responsibility
• Free markets
• Returning political power to the states and the people
For those that know what the Tea Party is all about........A movement of millions of white Americans from Christian backgrounds and the Republican party. Tea Party members share similar core principles and beliefs that have nothing to do with the United States constitution or the founders, such as:
* You will never get my guns
* Make abortion illegal
* Keep the war machine rolling
* Don't bother trying to keep our people healthy
* Get that blackie out of the white house
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
Fighting for handouts like the Tea People do?
Maybe 'fighting' is the wrong word. The Tea People want all their government programs without having to pay for them.
Why do you make up lies?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
For those that do not know what the Tea Party is about ........A movement of millions of like-minded Americans from all backgrounds and political parties. Tea Party members share similar core principles supporting the United States Constitution as the Founders intended, such as:
• Limited federal government
• Individual freedoms
• Personal responsibility
• Free markets
• Returning political power to the states and the people
For those that know what the Tea Party is all about........A movement of millions of white Americans from Christian backgrounds and the Republican party. Tea Party members share similar core principles and beliefs that have nothing to do with the United States constitution or the founders, such as:
* You will never get my guns
* Make abortion illegal
* Keep the war machine rolling
* Don't bother trying to keep our people healthy
* Get that blackie out of the white house
Lies....and quit with the race card...
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
There were at least 1 million people in Washington at the Tea Party 9/12 protest(if not a million close to it) way more people than at this protest. Not one violent act occured! The police do not attack for no reason. This tape was edited. I'm not saying police are not sometimes assholes.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
There were at least 1 million people in Washington at the Tea Party 9/12 protest(if not a million close to it) way more people than at this protest. Not one violent act occured! The police do not attack for no reason. This tape was edited. I'm not saying police are not sometimes assholes.
For those that know what the Tea Party is all about........A movement of millions of white Americans from Christian backgrounds and the Republican party. Tea Party members share similar core principles and beliefs that have nothing to do with the United States constitution or the founders, such as:
* You will never get my guns
* Make abortion illegal
* Keep the war machine rolling
* Don't bother trying to keep our people healthy
* Get that blackie out of the white house
Wow that is soooo wrong I don't know what to say! You must be joking right? :?
that's it! I get it ....
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Just to let you guys know what's going on, protesters shut down the Brooklyn Bridge now.
To update on my OP.
No, I meant why shut down the Brooklyn bridge.
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Not to be answering for Jeanwah, but here's how Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org succinctly put it:
"What do the protesters want? A solution to the jobs crisis, corporate money out of politics, fairer tax rates, and policies that work for 99% of Americans instead of the 1% at the top."
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Maybe 'fighting' is the wrong word. The Tea People want all their government programs without having to pay for them.
Why do you make up lies?
Then please tell me what services they want cut, because they also want tax cuts, right? Doesn't the tea stand for taxed enough already?
It's sad in a way to see a large group of people be manipulated by fear and creation of a false enemy. It makes sense, aerial, that you would support them, given your earlier post about Asians creating an economic problem for you. The message from the tea party is that problems are a result of these groups in the country, and that "we need to take our country back!". Didn't anyone ask who we need to take it back from? What did they take, anyway?
Things were/are probably uncertain and scary for you, and that opens the door. My take is that you were succeptable to the tea people's message because it's fear driven and creates an enemy in the big bad government and that socialist Obama. People find a certain comfort from their uncertainty if they're given an answer to their problems. Too bad it's not a real answer. There's still time, don't get sucked into the dark side!!
Just to let you guys know what's going on, protesters shut down the Brooklyn Bridge now.
To update on my OP.
No, I meant why shut down the Brooklyn bridge.
Not to be answering for Jeanwah, but here's how Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org succinctly put it:
"What do the protesters want? A solution to the jobs crisis, corporate money out of politics, fairer tax rates, and policies that work for 99% of Americans instead of the 1% at the top."[/quote]
Oh, so that's why they shut down a bridge. Great job asshats. If I was trying to get home it would make me more likely to run them over than to support the cause.
Comments
sounds like it
I'll post whatever I please... remember I must listen to others I don't agree with you can listen to me
or not,
and we can all be respectful.
I prefer compromise as I said and being level headed and peaceful as I said.
I guess you must believe only violence brings change . I do not.
I said there will be some who are filled with hate not all you twist my words again.
My mantra is about accepting other people and their choices and loving them no matter if I agree or not.
I think that very much has a place in this world.
But I can see you do not. To each their own again.
Those are my quotes and I stand by them ... of course all good
People only like people with shared mindset I guess
pertaining to the call out others for trolling... those who do not agree
not ...something I do ... troll or call out
you should know forgiveness and be tolerant and understanding
we all should yes
cast no stones... and live and let live this everyone can do
everyone learns eventually all in good time
I think this is true yes we are all learning
but wow going to other threads ok...
and if I would like to give a positive towards our police force I will do so.
I did not say those couple or few were right.
Level playing field.
We will always have plenty of negative here to the point of being way out of balance.
I thought it was important to remember policemen are heroes everyday too.
Positive hurts sometimes I know
Lets stick to the issues though ...
you talk too much about me!
Name one example Pandora of social change where compromise and level-headedness brought the change rather than people standing up and demanding that change.
You cannot reason with the unreasonable.
While you're looking for that example, you may want to look up the civil rights movement, the suffragette movement, the women's rights movement, MLK, Jr. and the like. None of those movements happened by sitting on asses and asking nicely for compromise.
It's like they are stealing from the Tea party... the idea that if you throw out enough grievances that you are protesting, you can get a pretty big group to follow. It's all good now, I just wonder how it will end up with so many different agendas when push comes to shove.
So, this is what happens when you don't have jobs for your college graduates, huh?
It's good to see on some levels, and disturbing to see on some as it appears some people are fighting for justice and others for a handout.
Fighting for handouts like the Tea People do?
No I meant that some people at this "occupy Wall street" are fighting for what they believe is justice and others are simply fighting for handouts (pay off my student loans, etc.).
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Explain how you think certain individuals in the crowd of hundreds of people are only there for handouts. Where's that proof? The general consensus is that they're all there, basically against corporate greed and that the top 1% dictate over the 99%. It's funny how you would take this protest, which isn't unlike any other protest in history, except that it's generally peaceful, is somehow reflective of the Tea Party. :roll:
Well, since some people are complaining about having to pay back student loans and want them to go away...there's your handout for ya.
And my only point in that and comparing it to the Tea Party is exactly what I already wrote, it's now becoming a large group of individuals with a lot of different issues. Just like the Tea Party. They started out with fiscal conservatism at it's core but in order to gain a big following and be relevant they took on a lot of people and a lot of other issues.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
walking like Zombies too
I missed why that was...
Maybe 'fighting' is the wrong word. The Tea People want all their government programs without having to pay for them.
Ah, ok, sorry, I really didn't know what you meant there.
Because they all graduated with liberal arts degrees in film making and are pissed off that there aren't any jobs out there to pay off their $300,000/each in debt they are for spending 10 years getting that degree!!!
I keed, I keed.
• Limited federal government
• Individual freedoms
• Personal responsibility
• Free markets
• Returning political power to the states and the people
I cannot believe these people are protesting having to pay there bills. If Americans had known they would not have to pay for college, don't you think most everyone would have attended? How in the world could forgiving there debt help the economy. It is not going to create jobs.
On the other hand, these people went to collage to get good jobs and make more money than one would make if they had not gone to collage. Therefore, they had a goal to make lots of money. Maybe even become VERY successful and be one of the 1% they are protesting against. Isn't it ironic?
The police are not going to attack unless they are provoked.
For those that know what the Tea Party is all about........A movement of millions of white Americans from Christian backgrounds and the Republican party. Tea Party members share similar core principles and beliefs that have nothing to do with the United States constitution or the founders, such as:
* You will never get my guns
* Make abortion illegal
* Keep the war machine rolling
* Don't bother trying to keep our people healthy
* Get that blackie out of the white house
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Another one who didn't read / see the OP... :roll:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What's the purpose of this exactly?
I bet you still didn't even watch it.
To update on my OP.
No, I meant why shut down the Brooklyn bridge.
Wow that is soooo wrong I don't know what to say! You must be joking right? :?
that's it! I get it ....
Not to be answering for Jeanwah, but here's how Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org succinctly put it:
"What do the protesters want? A solution to the jobs crisis, corporate money out of politics, fairer tax rates, and policies that work for 99% of Americans instead of the 1% at the top."
Then please tell me what services they want cut, because they also want tax cuts, right? Doesn't the tea stand for taxed enough already?
It's sad in a way to see a large group of people be manipulated by fear and creation of a false enemy. It makes sense, aerial, that you would support them, given your earlier post about Asians creating an economic problem for you. The message from the tea party is that problems are a result of these groups in the country, and that "we need to take our country back!". Didn't anyone ask who we need to take it back from? What did they take, anyway?
Things were/are probably uncertain and scary for you, and that opens the door. My take is that you were succeptable to the tea people's message because it's fear driven and creates an enemy in the big bad government and that socialist Obama. People find a certain comfort from their uncertainty if they're given an answer to their problems. Too bad it's not a real answer. There's still time, don't get sucked into the dark side!!
Not to be answering for Jeanwah, but here's how Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org succinctly put it:
"What do the protesters want? A solution to the jobs crisis, corporate money out of politics, fairer tax rates, and policies that work for 99% of Americans instead of the 1% at the top."[/quote]
Oh, so that's why they shut down a bridge. Great job asshats. If I was trying to get home it would make me more likely to run them over than to support the cause.
Perhaps you are missing my point.