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    kdiddykdiddy Posts: 733
    Someone may have hit this ppint already but there's too much to back-read so Im just gonna say it.

    My common opinion regarding the Influence of music before my time is... The experience of someone living through that time vs someone like us who grows up with the hype is going to be different. No matter how much you go back and listen to all of the music and gather your opinions.. It's not going to beat someone who lived through that era and gathered their opinion in real time.

    I sure am jealous of those who experienced such an awesome time in music revolution and revelation!
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,212
    i like ot say i was born a generation too late. i'd love to have been able to experience woodstock, pre-dark side pink floyd, the doors, the stones, dylan, etc. in person during the late 60s and 70s.
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    So what is their gift to us? What did their music change about our music?

    As an example and NOT a comparison, here's my answer when asked to describe the Stones legacy to music: two white British kids who mail ordered Chess and Stax records from America in the mid 60s experimented and incorporated black blues into rock and roll to create a style of rock and roll that has become THE defining style of rock and roll to this day. By borrowing from the blues, they essentially saved a dying breed of music and reinvigorated interest in it worldwide. Along the way, they wrote some of the most recognizable rock riffs and songs in music history, rock or otherwise. And, to throw in a dash about popularity, they have written charting songs in their 50th year (2013).

    That's how I describe their place in rock. I want to know what fans say about the Beatles, again not for comparison sake, but to understand.

    Why is a backward recorded vocal evidence of genius and not novelty?
    What is special about them revolutionizing a medium that's now dead (the music video, which, let's face it, had about a decade of relevance) is indicative of greatness?
    What is their gift to generations of musicians after them? To innovate for the sake of innovation? Experiment technically?

    I ask these questions earnestly and not to contradict. I do not dispute that on popularity alone, the Beatles are one of the all time greats. But I wonder sometimes if that popularity isn't causing fans to overstate their musical legacy...which was my entire point in the first place.

    Hope you're not really worked up Ryan. This is a fun conversation.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,802
    vant0037 said:

    So what is their gift to us? What did their music change about our music?

    Citation needed?

    Too many Sunday mornings listening to "Breakfast with the Beatles" on WXRT in Chicago listening with Terri Hemmert and Professor Moptop puts me firmly in the Beatles camp. Especially when the Rolling Stones' (& LedZep for that matter) claim to fame is essentially stealing someone else's music repackaging it, and exploiting it by selling it to a more mainstream demographic. I'd hardly put them on the same level of genius when you compare them to a group like the Beatles that had 3 very talented singer/songwriters (sorry Ringo - Octopus's Garden sucks.).
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    Dirty Frank ZDirty Frank Z Posts: 2,850
    My only response...keep it
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,212
    vant0037 said:

    So what is their gift to us? What did their music change about our music?

    i feel like i answered this in my first thoughtful post on the subject:
    AndySlash said:

    not to mention the actual songs they produced, which sounded like nothing else ever recorded, and gave all other musicians an idea of what could be accomplished in recorded music.

    honestly, nothing i can say can really get that point to hit home unless you listen yourself, and not just to the beatles either. unless we spent hours and hours together listening and talking, me arguing for the beatles' impact and influences isn't going to change your mind. like i said before, i thought like you did once, that the beatles were overrated, and would argue the same to anyone. but as i've grown to love music and feel like i at least understand some of its history and context, i've had to concede i was wrong (which isn't easy for me, honestly!). you may never end up doing that, or maybe you feel like you already have enough evidence to know. if so, that's ok; we'll just have to agree to strongly disagree, and i'll reserve the right to post a facepalm whenever this topic comes up. ;)
    vant0037 said:

    Hope you're not really worked up Ryan. This is a fun conversation.

    ha. not worked up as in agitated, just excitable. i dig talking music and don't get to do it too much. but i should have been doing other things, vant! you sucked me in.
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    CM189191 said:

    vant0037 said:

    So what is their gift to us? What did their music change about our music?

    Citation needed?

    Too many Sunday mornings listening to "Breakfast with the Beatles" on WXRT in Chicago listening with Terri Hemmert and Professor Moptop puts me firmly in the Beatles camp. Especially when the Rolling Stones' (& LedZep for that matter) claim to fame is essentially stealing someone else's music repackaging it, and exploiting it by selling it to a more mainstream demographic. I'd hardly put them on the same level of genius when you compare them to a group like the Beatles that had 3 very talented singer/songwriters (sorry Ringo - Octopus's Garden sucks.).
    Well again, see my post on the Stones "stealing" music. You could call it "stealing" or "repackaging" or whatever and I'd respond in kind that every sound came from somewhere else before it. Did Dylan steal Woody's sound? Etc etc etc.

    Again,it comes down to taste. You claim the Stones writers aren't on par with the Beatles; there are plenty who'd state that the duo of Jagger and Richards is the best rock writing duo...ever. So it comes down to opinion. All I'm asking for is what is the objective statement of the Beatles legacy. Ryan's offered a few things. Popularity aside, what was their contribution? I know it's obviously something...
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    Dirty Frank ZDirty Frank Z Posts: 2,850
    Bump?
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
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    kdiddykdiddy Posts: 733
    Nothing like scheduling a food tasting with a caterer at lunchtime.. woo free lunch! (i'm sure the cost is built in with the overall huge expense of the actual catering bill, haha)
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    adoffinadoffin Blaine, MN Posts: 398
    Hansard tonight bump
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,212
    adoffin said:

    Hansard tonight bump

    finally picked up my tix yesterday. i'll look for you.
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    adoffinadoffin Blaine, MN Posts: 398
    I will probably roll in late...like between 8:30 and 8:45 due to a family event I was unaware of when I bought the ticket. Hopefully he either doesn't start on time or has a brief opener. I am hoping Glen doesn't actually hit the stage until 9 :-/
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    Updated show itinerary for this fall:

    -Nick Swardson, 9/13
    -The War On Drugs, 9/20(?) and 9/22
    -Tim and Eric and Check It Out! with Dr. Steve Brule, 9/26
    -Bear Hands, 9/27
    -PJ x2 (Lincoln, St. Paul)
    -Broad City, 11/15
    -Sebastian Maniscalco, 2/5

    We hit very few shows of any kind in the spring, but the summer and fall are suddenly packed with comedy and music. Add in Gopher hockey and football and we're solid til March!
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    Dirty Frank ZDirty Frank Z Posts: 2,850
    Pearl Jam (x4)
    Delta Spirit
    Royal Blood
    Sebastian Maniscalco

    That's all set in stone. Plus, Gopher and Wild hockey is always on my radar. Plenty of stuff to keep me busy after my wedding.
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,212
    edited August 2014
    hansard tonight
    kiss/def lep 8/17
    aretha franklin 8/22
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    festival palomino 9/20
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    pearl jam 10/9
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    pearl jam 10/17
    pearl jam 10/19
    pearl jam 10/20

    booya
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    jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,428
    edited August 2014
    8/30- MN Music-on-a-Stick (Bob Mould/cloud Cult/HarMar Superstar)
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    cottagesteezecottagesteeze St. Paul, MN Posts: 218
    Not

    8/30- MN Music-on-a-Stick (Bob Mould/cloud Cult/HarMar Superstar)
    9/20- Trampled By Turtles/Head and the Heart
    9/25- Justin Townes Earle
    10/16- Gaslight Anthem
    10/17- PJ
    10/19- PJ

    not sticking around for doomtree at music on a stick? They sure know how to put on a show.
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    Dirty Frank ZDirty Frank Z Posts: 2,850
    POS' album "Never Better" is the best record RhymeSayers has ever put out.
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    jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,428

    Not

    8/30- MN Music-on-a-Stick (Bob Mould/cloud Cult/HarMar Superstar)
    9/20- Trampled By Turtles/Head and the Heart
    9/25- Justin Townes Earle
    10/16- Gaslight Anthem
    10/17- PJ
    10/19- PJ

    not sticking around for doomtree at music on a stick? They sure know how to put on a show.
    Although I respect hip-hop as an art form, it's just never really been my thing. So, I'll be skipping out on doomtree.
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
    PJ 10/17
    PJ 10/19

    Trying to save some money and shows aren't cheap! Have fun at the other events though. :-)
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
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    Dirty Frank ZDirty Frank Z Posts: 2,850
    Bummmmmmmmmp
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    adusickadusick Posts: 1,387
    Whoa, had no idea you guys were going to Tim and Eric/Brule Awesome Show! I'll be there, we'll have to connect for drinks beforehand. Should be as weird and zany as you'd imagine.
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    adoffinadoffin Blaine, MN Posts: 398
    THAT was a fun show....Glen never disappoints
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,212
    yup. drive all night/the parting glass was a top play nominee among a show full of them. sorry you missed falling slowly, tony!
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,802
    AndySlash said:

    yup. drive all night/the parting glass was a top play nominee among a show full of them. sorry you missed falling slowly, tony!

    Dammitt, really wanted to make this show, but couldn't do it. Happy it was a good show for you folks!
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    ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,640
    hey, we need a few more minnesota people here

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/233751/2014-u-s-fall-tour-poster-pool-giveaway-to-help-elwayvedder/p1

    win a few posters from upcoming tour and help elwayvedder & OYR
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
    Look at which show is the only one sold out...
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    jwhjr17jwhjr17 Posts: 1,943

    Look at which show is the only one sold out...
    http://pearljam.com/tour

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