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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,213
    vant, if you don't sell your philly set i'd be interested in it.
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    Pearl Jam should play Alive earlier in the set and give Santa Cruz a shot live.
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
    Any exciting plans to celebrate new years in MN?

    As we turn over into a new year, PJ, Kelly Curtis, Kat, Sea, Santos and Dimitri, please send some good vibes to play a show or two in Minnesota. :D
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,213
    vant-

    if instead of making a sign, i dressed as bee girl for the 2014 show in minnesota, would you stand next to me?

    -andyslash
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    AndySlash wrote:
    vant-

    if instead of making a sign, i dressed as bee girl for the 2014 show in minnesota, would you stand next to me?

    -andyslash

    Yes, but only if I can dress as Leatherman and if four others paint "P-L-A-Y" on themselves. No sense in going all out unless it happens right? :lol:
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    Pearl Jam should play sets with the standards (Even Flow, Alive, Betterman etc) at completely different spots. Open with Even Flow, play Alive, like 4th (or as closer - like it should be), Betterman in the first set without a tag etc.

    Any other ideas?

    Here's another: Pearl Jam should always extend Wishlist and often tag it with "Why Can't I touch it."
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    Open with Severed Hand.

    Play Alive no later than 5th. or Play the Mama-Son trilogy in the encore.

    Play a medley of song. Like Metallica and the Who have done to cover songs but not play the whole thing.

    Play "Speed Wash". Like Lukin, just rip through it at some point.

    Open the encore with Once.

    Play a slowed down version of Even Flow in the encore.

    Play No Jeremy.

    Close with Animal or Breath.

    Outlaw the follwing songs from the next tour: Betterman, Daughter, The Fixer, Rearviewmirror, Porch, Rocking in the Free World, State of Love and Trust, and Jeremy (regular version)

    No covers for one tour. Especially "new" covers.


    Okay, there are my ideas.
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    Open with Severed Hand.

    Play Alive no later than 5th. or Play the Mama-Son trilogy in the encore.

    Play a medley of song. Like Metallica and the Who have done to cover songs but not play the whole thing.

    Play "Speed Wash". Like Lukin, just rip through it at some point.

    Open the encore with Once.

    Play a slowed down version of Even Flow in the encore.

    Play No Jeremy.

    Close with Animal or Breath.

    Outlaw the follwing songs from the next tour: Betterman, Daughter, The Fixer, Rearviewmirror, Porch, Rocking in the Free World, State of Love and Trust, and Jeremy (regular version)

    No covers for one tour. Especially "new" covers.


    Okay, there are my ideas.

    Add Given To Fly to the "less-play" list. Even on boots, it's reaching Betterman/Even Flow/Alive status in play frequency.
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
    Last event in the dome today.
    I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell.
    -Christopher Walken

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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    evenflow82 wrote:
    Last event in the dome today.

    I bought a seat from the company that's removing them.
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
    Looks like PJ won't get the chance to play in the dome. :lol:
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    Cold BUMP!
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
    This winter has been especially cold. The ice bowl has got nothing on Minnesota winters. We do have some nice heated and indoor venues the band could play in ANY time of the year. :D
    I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,813
    evenflow82 wrote:
    This winter has been especially cold. The ice bowl has got nothing on Minnesota winters. We do have some nice heated and indoor venues the band could play in ANY time of the year. :D

    "Payback" for the mild winter we experienced last year.

    Incidentally - Sevens landed in MN today. Meet your friendly UPS/Mailman at the door.
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,213
    leslie frazier was not perfect, but he did not deserve the axe. i am disappointed he won't be back and i will not be surprised if he is able to become a successful head coach elsewhere. i have more issue with spielman than frazier, so it's frustrating to see spielman get to slide through unscathed.
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    AndySlash wrote:
    leslie frazier was not perfect, but he did not deserve the axe. i am disappointed he won't be back and i will not be surprised if he is able to become a successful head coach elsewhere. i have more issue with spielman than frazier, so it's frustrating to see spielman get to slide through unscathed.

    What did he do to deserve to stay?
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
    I wonder if Ed was watching when Aaron Rodgers broke the Chicago Bears back yesterday. As a Cubs fan he should be used to disappointment though. :lol:
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    adusickadusick Posts: 1,387
    evenflow82 wrote:
    I wonder if Ed was watching when Aaron Rodgers broke the Chicago Bears back yesterday. As a Cubs fan he should be used to disappointment though. :lol:

    Awesome game, though my nerves are shot from watchin' the Pack this year! Glad to see we could beat da Bears to sneak into the playoffs - great things came the last time that happened in 2010.

    Go, Pack, Go!
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,813
    adusick wrote:
    evenflow82 wrote:
    I wonder if Ed was watching when Aaron Rodgers broke the Chicago Bears back yesterday. As a Cubs fan he should be used to disappointment though. :lol:

    Awesome game, though my nerves are shot from watchin' the Pack this year! Glad to see we could beat da Bears to sneak into the playoffs - great things came the last time that happened in 2010.

    Go, Pack, Go!

    Sneak into the playoffs is right!

    Refs protect Rodgers with a questionable unnecessary roughness call. Which opens up the door for the now famous 'forward fumble' touchdown. Karma's a bitch - hopefully the 49ers will finish what Shea McClellin started.
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    adusickadusick Posts: 1,387
    CM189191 wrote:
    adusick wrote:
    evenflow82 wrote:
    I wonder if Ed was watching when Aaron Rodgers broke the Chicago Bears back yesterday. As a Cubs fan he should be used to disappointment though. :lol:

    Awesome game, though my nerves are shot from watchin' the Pack this year! Glad to see we could beat da Bears to sneak into the playoffs - great things came the last time that happened in 2010.

    Go, Pack, Go!

    Sneak into the playoffs is right!

    Refs protect Rodgers with a questionable unnecessary roughness call. Which opens up the door for the now famous 'forward fumble' touchdown. Karma's a bitch - hopefully the 49ers will finish what Shea McClellin started.

    You win some, you lose some, just the way it is. The Pack have seen their fair share of horseshit calls this year go against them.

    I'm sure the refs won the game for the Pack, not the blown coverage on a wide open Cobb for the victory TD.
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    In a game where every things counts and has a direct affect on everything else, it's hard to blame a loss on one call or one play.

    That being said, the refs this year have been horrific all around the league.
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    I like baseball. ;)
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    adusickadusick Posts: 1,387
    vant0037 wrote:
    I like baseball. ;)

    I like turtles. :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
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    vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,083
    adusick wrote:
    vant0037 wrote:
    I like baseball. ;)

    I like turtles. :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

    Knew that was coming!
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    adusickadusick Posts: 1,387
    vant0037 wrote:
    adusick wrote:
    vant0037 wrote:
    I like baseball. ;)

    I like turtles. :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

    Knew that was coming!

    Couldn't resist - a classic.
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    evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,869
    I like turtles and Pearl Jam.

    PJ, please play MN in 2014.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,813
    adusick wrote:
    You win some, you lose some, just the way it is. The Pack have seen their fair share of horseshit calls this year go against them.

    I'm sure the refs won the game for the Pack, not the blown coverage on a wide open Cobb for the victory TD.

    Even with the blown coverage and touchdown on the final play - if you negate the blown calls leading up to and resulting in the forward fumble touchdown, final score is 28-26 Bears win.

    This isn't a case of "you win some/lose some'". Refs blew a two critical calls in a row that ultimately swung the momentum and directly cost the game.

    But that's ok. They can coddle Rodgers into the playoffs where the Packers will get destroyed and he'll likely get re-injured. Instead of spending the spending the off season resting up and healing.

    I'd say there's always next year, but then I'd start to sound like a stupid Cubs fan.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,813
    In a game where every things counts and has a direct affect on everything else, it's hard to blame a loss on one call or one play.

    That being said, the refs this year have been horrific all around the league.

    I disagree. It's very easy for me to point at those 2 weak calls, one of which was reviewed and they still got wrong, and say there. That was the moment the refs f'd up and cost the Bears the playoffs.

    I'm not as jaded as I sound. It just pisses me off when the game is decided by the refs's shiatty calls, rather than the plays and players on the field. Maybe they need to go to a centrally reviewed system like hockey?

    How unbiased can a ref be when he's reviewing his own poor calls? He's not gonna stand on the field in front of 10's of thousand of hostile fans and flip-flop: saying "Yes, I screwed that up. Again."

    Go Blackhawks!!! Did you see they scored a touchdown the other night???
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    adusickadusick Posts: 1,387
    CM189191 wrote:
    adusick wrote:
    You win some, you lose some, just the way it is. The Pack have seen their fair share of horseshit calls this year go against them.

    I'm sure the refs won the game for the Pack, not the blown coverage on a wide open Cobb for the victory TD.

    Even with the blown coverage and touchdown on the final play - if you negate the blown calls leading up to and resulting in the forward fumble touchdown, final score is 28-26 Bears win.

    This isn't a case of "you win some/lose some'". Refs blew a two critical calls in a row that ultimately swung the momentum and directly cost the game.

    But that's ok. They can coddle Rodgers into the playoffs where the Packers will get destroyed and he'll likely get re-injured. Instead of spending the spending the off season resting up and healing.

    I'd say there's always next year, but then I'd start to sound like a stupid Cubs fan.

    I guess I feel for ya on shitty calls, but they go both ways. Quarless caught a first down pass in the 3rd qtr but it was ruled incomplete, causing the Packers to punt. And the forward fumble TD?? It was a fumble, there was never a whistle, live ball, and thus a TD - not sure what your argument is there.

    Anyway I get it, calls don't go your team's way, it totally sucks. Look at the Chiefs game, who knows what would have happened had they not missed that call on the FG, but it is what it is.

    It was an awesome game, down to the wire, and I'm sorry for the Bears' loss, it's a tough one at the end of the season. I don't get your need to wish ill-will and injury to Rodgers, not very classy IMO but whatev.
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,213
    AndySlash wrote:
    leslie frazier was not perfect, but he did not deserve the axe. i am disappointed he won't be back and i will not be surprised if he is able to become a successful head coach elsewhere. i have more issue with spielman than frazier, so it's frustrating to see spielman get to slide through unscathed.

    What did he do to deserve to stay?

    We're less than a year out from a 10-6 suprising playoff team most picked to win 6 or less games. Frazier played a big role in that. Yes, Peterson played out of his mind, but I've not seen one person even give Leslie Frazier a shred of credit for helping coax that kind of extra effort out of an already special player, which helped to propel the whole team to the playoffs.

    Rick Spielman made the off-season moves he felt he needed to make, but none of them benefited Frazier this year in keeping last year's momentum. Frazier made his mistakes, too, and at times seemed to still be learning on the job. But I felt the job he did last year earned him some cred, and keeping this years team looking forward despite several tough losses that would have us singing a different tune had they gone the other way spoke volumes about his ability to get effort from his team. Problem is, the best effort he could possibly get from two key positions wasn't good enough to cut it in the NFL. And that is on Rick Spielman.

    Surprised that Ryan Longwell of all people was quoted as saying they fired the wrong guy, but I agree with him.
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