The Death Penalty

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

It's a pretty big perk if survival is a priority. It would be hard, but maybe it should be a little hard given the general obscenity of his offences.

What exactly do you want?

Maybe I haven't fully evolved yet... but sometimes I'm completely flabbergasted with the direction this thread takes. It's not enough that we spare the bastard's life... but we also have to concern ourselves with his comfort levels as well or else we are horrible human beings.

I'll say this... any one of those parents would serve the most horrific prison sentence imaginable if they could have their child back, but of course they can't. Compared to the pain that prick left for all those families and the pain he delivered to those young children in the final excruciating moments of their lives... he got off pretty damn easy in my mind.

it's not exactly "a little hard".

http://ccrjustice.org/solitary-factsheet

What is Solitary Confinement?
In the early nineteenth century, the U.S. led the world in a new practice of imprisoning people in solitary cells, without access to any human contact or stimulation, as a method of rehabilitation. The results were disastrous, as prisoners quickly became severely mentally disturbed. The practice was all but abandoned. Over a century later, it has made an unfortunate comeback. Instead of torturing prisoners with solitary confinement in dark and dirty underground holes, prisoners are now subjected to solitary confinement in well-lit, sterile boxes. The psychological repercussions are similar.

Today, tens of thousands of individuals across the country are detained inside cramped, concrete, windowless cells in a state of near-total solitude for between 22 and 24 hours a day. The cells have a toilet and a shower, and a slot in the door large enough for a guard to slip a food tray through. Prisoners in solitary confinement are frequently deprived of telephone calls and contact visits. “Recreation” involves being taken, often in handcuffs and shackles, to another solitary cell where prisoners can pace alone for an hour before being returned to their cell.

Ever since solitary confinement came into existence, it has been used as a tool of repression. While it is justified by corrections officials as necessary to protect prisoners and guards from violent superpredators, all too often it is imposed on individuals, particularly prisoners of color, who threaten prison administrations in an altogether different way. Consistently, jailhouse lawyers and jailhouse doctors, who administer to the needs of their fellow prisoners behind bars, are placed in solitary confinement. They are joined by political prisoners from various civil rights and independence movements.
CCR’s Challenges to Solitary Confinement

In May 2012, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) filed a lawsuit against the state of California for its use of prolonged solitary confinement in the infamous Pelican Bay prison. Ruiz, et al. v. Brown, Jr., et al., is a federal class action challenging prolonged solitary confinement and deprivation of due process, based on the rights guaranteed under the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments, at Pelican Bay. The case challenges inhumane, unconstitutional conditions under which thousands of prisoners live. Ruiz reasserts the importance of fundamental human rights and the Constitution’s guarantee that no one may be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment, and that all are entitled to the due process of law.

CCR’s case against solitary confinement at Pelican Bay is the latest in a long history of challenges to the use of isolation in prisons. In Wilkinson v. Austin, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled in support of CCR’s claims that prison officials cannot confine prisoners in long-term solitary confinement in a
super maximum prison without first giving them the opportunity to challenge their placement. CCR has engaged in solidarity efforts alongside hunger striking prisoners, as well as engaged in advocacy and education efforts around the impact of the use of isolation in prisons.
Solitary Confinement is Torture

The devastating psychological and physical effects of prolonged solitary confinement are well documented by social scientists: prolonged solitary confinement causes prisoners significant mental harm and places them at grave risk of even more devastating future psychological harm.

Researchers have demonstrated that prolonged solitary confinement causes a persistent and heightened state of anxiety and nervousness, headaches, insomnia, lethargy or chronic tiredness, nightmares, heart palpitations, and fear of impending nervous breakdowns. Other documented effects include obsessive ruminations, confused thought processes, an oversensitivity to
stimuli, irrational anger, social withdrawal, hallucinations, violent fantasies, emotional flatness, mood swings, chronic depression, feelings of overall deterioration, as well as suicidal ideation.

Exposure to such life-shattering conditions clearly constitutes cruel and unusual punishment – in violation of the Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Further, the brutal use of solitary has been condemned as torture by the international community.
A Growing Human Rights Movement against the Use of Solitary Confinement

Across the United States and the world, there is an emerging movement calling for the end of solitary confinement.

In the U.S., prisoner-led movements have attracted media attention and public scrutiny to harsh conditions of confinement, including overcrowding, the use of isolation, deplorable health conditions, substandard medical care, and the discriminatory and careless treatment of people with mental illnesses. Several prisoner-led hunger strikes have drawn attention to these harsh
conditions, including efforts in Georgia, Ohio and California. Advocates have joined in solidarity and alongside prisoners to protest the use of solitary confinement.

International human rights experts and bodies have also condemned indefinite or prolonged solitary confinement, recommended that the practice be abolished entirely and argued that solitary confinement is a human rights abuse that can amount to torture. In August 2011, Juan Mendez, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, concluded that even 15 days in solitary confinement constitutes torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, and 15 days is the limit after which irreversible harmful psychological effects can occur. However, many prisoners in the United States have been isolated for far longer.
Solitary Confinement at the Pelican Bay Security Housing Unit

Opened on December 1, 1989, Pelican Bay State Prison is the most restrictive prison in California and one of the harshest “super-maximum” prisons in the country. The prison was specifically designed to foster maximum isolation. It is one of four Security Housing Units (SHU) operated by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR).

More than 500 of Pelican Bay’s SHU prisoners have been held in solitary confinement in the SHU for over 10 years. Over 78 prisoners have languished in solitary for more than 20 years. Prisoners are detained inside windowless cells, are not allowed to call home and are served substandard or rotten food.

Prisoners are frequently assigned to the SHU without any significant disciplinary record; instead they are designated for indefinite solitary confinement based on their alleged gang affiliation. They can be labeled “gang members” for waiving hello to another prisoner who has already been so-designated, or for possession of artwork, or their tattoos.

The only real way out of the SHU is to “debrief,” to inform on other prisoners, thus condemning other prisoners to the same torture, and risking retaliation. Review of the continued need for SHU confinement is limited to every six years, and these reviews are little more than rubber stamps for prisoners who refuse, or are unable, to debrief.
The California Hunger Strikes

In 2011, prisoners across California organized two hunger strikes in protest of inhuman and degrading conditions of confinement and outlined five core demands: (1) end group punishment; (2) abolish the use of debriefing; (3) end long-term solitary confinement and alleviate conditions in segregation, including the provision of regular and meaningful social contact, adequate healthcare and access to sunlight; (4) provide adequate food; and (5) expand programming and privileges.

Though the CDCR convinced the prisoners to suspend the strike by promising change, the CDCR has responded instead by punishing the hunger strike leaders with prison discipline and other retaliation, and stonewalling any real efforts at reform.

Moonpig

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

As for neglect and boredom... are you saying we must make concerted efforts to entertain these people?

I think what he means is that being put in isolation is not a perk as it seems you have suggested it is. It usually makes a person lose their fucking mind. it's mental torture.

I have to say, I'm am dead against, pun absolutely intended, the death penalty. Bernzie, in my opinion is spot on, it is state sanctioned murder, which for anyone calling themselves Christian should be in direct contravention of their beliefs.

I have a family member who was abducted, raped repeatedly, beaten to within an inch of her life and shot 3 times in her head. He was caught weeks after, tried and convicted. He is currently serving time in a Canadian prison, and I have to say, that is enough for me. Death would have been too good for this guy.

The thought that he would not spend another day in freedom does satisfy me, and should there be a time that he gets out, well I'll cross that bridge if and when it gets to it.

I can't speak to other victims of crime, but this one believes that the system has worked and that the piece of shit spends time wondering what his life would have been like had he made better choices. I'm not religious at all, no heaven or hell, but only in the fact that we only have on go at this life and his is truly fucked.

My family and I have had to live with this tragedy, and we're split now around the globe, this event really took its toll. No choice but to find a life after it all, but that's what it's all about, finding something among the mess, not taking something that in the long run will make little, if any difference.

My opinion and my two cents, for what it's worth.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

It's a pretty big perk if survival is a priority. It would be hard, but maybe it should be a little hard given the general obscenity of his offences.

What exactly do you want?

Maybe I haven't fully evolved yet... but sometimes I'm completely flabbergasted with the direction this thread takes. It's not enough that we spare the bastard's life... but we also have to concern ourselves with his comfort levels as well or else we are horrible human beings.

I'll say this... any one of those parents would serve the most horrific prison sentence imaginable if they could have their child back, but of course they can't. Compared to the pain that prick left for all those families and the pain he delivered to those young children in the final excruciating moments of their lives... he got off pretty damn easy in my mind.

it's not exactly "a little hard".

http://ccrjustice.org/solitary-factsheet

What is Solitary Confinement?
In the early nineteenth century, the U.S. led the world in a new practice of imprisoning people in solitary cells, without access to any human contact or stimulation, as a method of rehabilitation. The results were disastrous, as prisoners quickly became severely mentally disturbed. The practice was all but abandoned. Over a century later, it has made an unfortunate comeback. Instead of torturing prisoners with solitary confinement in dark and dirty underground holes, prisoners are now subjected to solitary confinement in well-lit, sterile boxes. The psychological repercussions are similar.

Today, tens of thousands of individuals across the country are detained inside cramped, concrete, windowless cells in a state of near-total solitude for between 22 and 24 hours a day. The cells have a toilet and a shower, and a slot in the door large enough for a guard to slip a food tray through. Prisoners in solitary confinement are frequently deprived of telephone calls and contact visits. “Recreation” involves being taken, often in handcuffs and shackles, to another solitary cell where prisoners can pace alone for an hour before being returned to their cell.

Ever since solitary confinement came into existence, it has been used as a tool of repression. While it is justified by corrections officials as necessary to protect prisoners and guards from violent superpredators, all too often it is imposed on individuals, particularly prisoners of color, who threaten prison administrations in an altogether different way. Consistently, jailhouse lawyers and jailhouse doctors, who administer to the needs of their fellow prisoners behind bars, are placed in solitary confinement. They are joined by political prisoners from various civil rights and independence movements.
CCR’s Challenges to Solitary Confinement

In May 2012, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) filed a lawsuit against the state of California for its use of prolonged solitary confinement in the infamous Pelican Bay prison. Ruiz, et al. v. Brown, Jr., et al., is a federal class action challenging prolonged solitary confinement and deprivation of due process, based on the rights guaranteed under the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments, at Pelican Bay. The case challenges inhumane, unconstitutional conditions under which thousands of prisoners live. Ruiz reasserts the importance of fundamental human rights and the Constitution’s guarantee that no one may be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment, and that all are entitled to the due process of law.

CCR’s case against solitary confinement at Pelican Bay is the latest in a long history of challenges to the use of isolation in prisons. In Wilkinson v. Austin, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled in support of CCR’s claims that prison officials cannot confine prisoners in long-term solitary confinement in a
super maximum prison without first giving them the opportunity to challenge their placement. CCR has engaged in solidarity efforts alongside hunger striking prisoners, as well as engaged in advocacy and education efforts around the impact of the use of isolation in prisons.
Solitary Confinement is Torture

The devastating psychological and physical effects of prolonged solitary confinement are well documented by social scientists: prolonged solitary confinement causes prisoners significant mental harm and places them at grave risk of even more devastating future psychological harm.

Researchers have demonstrated that prolonged solitary confinement causes a persistent and heightened state of anxiety and nervousness, headaches, insomnia, lethargy or chronic tiredness, nightmares, heart palpitations, and fear of impending nervous breakdowns. Other documented effects include obsessive ruminations, confused thought processes, an oversensitivity to
stimuli, irrational anger, social withdrawal, hallucinations, violent fantasies, emotional flatness, mood swings, chronic depression, feelings of overall deterioration, as well as suicidal ideation.

Exposure to such life-shattering conditions clearly constitutes cruel and unusual punishment – in violation of the Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Further, the brutal use of solitary has been condemned as torture by the international community.
A Growing Human Rights Movement against the Use of Solitary Confinement

Across the United States and the world, there is an emerging movement calling for the end of solitary confinement.

In the U.S., prisoner-led movements have attracted media attention and public scrutiny to harsh conditions of confinement, including overcrowding, the use of isolation, deplorable health conditions, substandard medical care, and the discriminatory and careless treatment of people with mental illnesses. Several prisoner-led hunger strikes have drawn attention to these harsh
conditions, including efforts in Georgia, Ohio and California. Advocates have joined in solidarity and alongside prisoners to protest the use of solitary confinement.

International human rights experts and bodies have also condemned indefinite or prolonged solitary confinement, recommended that the practice be abolished entirely and argued that solitary confinement is a human rights abuse that can amount to torture. In August 2011, Juan Mendez, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, concluded that even 15 days in solitary confinement constitutes torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, and 15 days is the limit after which irreversible harmful psychological effects can occur. However, many prisoners in the United States have been isolated for far longer.
Solitary Confinement at the Pelican Bay Security Housing Unit

Opened on December 1, 1989, Pelican Bay State Prison is the most restrictive prison in California and one of the harshest “super-maximum” prisons in the country. The prison was specifically designed to foster maximum isolation. It is one of four Security Housing Units (SHU) operated by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR).

More than 500 of Pelican Bay’s SHU prisoners have been held in solitary confinement in the SHU for over 10 years. Over 78 prisoners have languished in solitary for more than 20 years. Prisoners are detained inside windowless cells, are not allowed to call home and are served substandard or rotten food.

Prisoners are frequently assigned to the SHU without any significant disciplinary record; instead they are designated for indefinite solitary confinement based on their alleged gang affiliation. They can be labeled “gang members” for waiving hello to another prisoner who has already been so-designated, or for possession of artwork, or their tattoos.

The only real way out of the SHU is to “debrief,” to inform on other prisoners, thus condemning other prisoners to the same torture, and risking retaliation. Review of the continued need for SHU confinement is limited to every six years, and these reviews are little more than rubber stamps for prisoners who refuse, or are unable, to debrief.
The California Hunger Strikes

In 2011, prisoners across California organized two hunger strikes in protest of inhuman and degrading conditions of confinement and outlined five core demands: (1) end group punishment; (2) abolish the use of debriefing; (3) end long-term solitary confinement and alleviate conditions in segregation, including the provision of regular and meaningful social contact, adequate healthcare and access to sunlight; (4) provide adequate food; and (5) expand programming and privileges.

Though the CDCR convinced the prisoners to suspend the strike by promising change, the CDCR has responded instead by punishing the hunger strike leaders with prison discipline and other retaliation, and stonewalling any real efforts at reform.

So what do you want then?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Moonpig wrote:

I have to say, I'm am dead against, pun absolutely intended, the death penalty. Bernzie, in my opinion is spot on, it is state sanctioned murder, which for anyone calling themselves Christian should be in direct contravention of their beliefs.

I have a family member who was abducted, raped repeatedly, beaten to within an inch of her life and shot 3 times in her head. He was caught weeks after, tried and convicted. He is currently serving time in a Canadian prison, and I have to say, that is enough for me. Death would have been too good for this guy.

The thought that he would not spend another day in freedom does satisfy me, and should there be a time that he gets out, well I'll cross that bridge if and when it gets to it.

I can't speak to other victims of crime, but this one believes that the system has worked and that the piece of shit spends time wondering what his life would have been like had he made better choices. I'm not religious at all, no heaven or hell, but only in the fact that we only have on go at this life and his is truly fucked.

My family and I have had to live with this tragedy, and we're split now around the globe, this event really took its toll. No choice but to find a life after it all, but that's what it's all about, finding something among the mess, not taking something that in the long run will make little, if any difference.

My opinion and my two cents, for what it's worth.

First... and most important... I'm sorry for your ordeal.

Second... I'm glad that the current measures have worked for you as you try to make resolve the violence in your life. I agree that prison would not be the way I would want to spend my 'one kick at this can'.

Third... in the event of a murder... not all can get peace in the manner you have been able to get. They seek more. It doesn't mean they are right, but it doesn't mean they are wrong. And, ultimately, that is what this thread has been about: expressing the viewpoints from opposing perspectives.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So what do you want then?

depending on the homicide case, life in prison. no parole. prison till death. that's the least that society requires for the safety of its citizens so that's what should be done. 25 years is bullshit.

first degree or not. murder is murder. if you kill someone, you are in prison for good.

I think solitary is sometimes required for the safety of everyone concerned, but I have admitted several times I don't have all the answers. How do you best keep everyone safe in a "city" of maniacs? good question, and probably unanswerable.

All I'm saying is that I don't "wish" solitary on anyone. but sometimes it is the only answer.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So what do you want then?

depending on the homicide case, life in prison. no parole. prison till death. that's the least that society requires for the safety of its citizens so that's what should be done. 25 years is bullshit.

first degree or not. murder is murder. if you kill someone, you are in prison for good.

I think solitary is sometimes required for the safety of everyone concerned, but I have admitted several times I don't have all the answers. How do you best keep everyone safe in a "city" of maniacs? good question, and probably unanswerable.

All I'm saying is that I don't "wish" solitary on anyone. but sometimes it is the only answer.

You have made a vague reference depending on the homicide case. Are you speaking of circumstances?

For example... do you think Olson's random murders of children are the same as that of, for example, an enraged father's murder of a man who has raped his daughter (such as the case we observed in Texas about a year ago)?

In other words... does the nature of the crime have any bearing at all? Is the father the same as Olson? If not... would they serve the same sentence regardless of the 'difference' between the two?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

You have made a vague reference depending on the homicide case. Are you speaking of circumstances?

For example... do you think Olson's random murders of children are the same as that of, for example, an enraged father's murder of a man who has raped his daughter (such as the case we observed in Texas about a year ago)?

In other words... does the nature of the crime have any bearing at all? Is the father the same as Olson? If not... would they serve the same sentence regardless of the 'difference' between the two?

depending if it's murder or manslaughter. that's all I meant.

that comparison is tricky, but legally speaking, murder is murder. yes, yes, flame me all you want about it, but if you kill with intent, you serve life. I don't remember the details of the father's case, if he caught the guy in the act, or if it was after the fact, so if it was the former, that makes things different (could be argued he was defending his daughter). But the latter? that's just flat out revenge, and yes, in any case, that warrants life.

would I have done the same as the father? probably. but that doesn't make it right.

lukin2006

Why is it that so many seem to agree that solitary confinement is worse than death? and so many seem content with that ... yet many argue that capital punishment is unjust and in some cases an easy way out. So if this is your line of thinking that solitary is torture then you might be out to see a person suffer, more than anything ... yes/no?

I myself ... solitary should be discontinued ... everyone in general ... no matter the crime. Certain individuals absolutely deserve capital punishment ... those that shall be in the front of the line are those that video tape themselves humiliating their victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

here's some real human garbage

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

You have made a vague reference depending on the homicide case. Are you speaking of circumstances?

For example... do you think Olson's random murders of children are the same as that of, for example, an enraged father's murder of a man who has raped his daughter (such as the case we observed in Texas about a year ago)?

In other words... does the nature of the crime have any bearing at all? Is the father the same as Olson? If not... would they serve the same sentence regardless of the 'difference' between the two?

depending if it's murder or manslaughter. that's all I meant.

that comparison is tricky, but legally speaking, murder is murder. yes, yes, flame me all you want about it, but if you kill with intent, you serve life. I don't remember the details of the father's case, if he caught the guy in the act, or if it was after the fact, so if it was the former, that makes things different (could be argued he was defending his daughter). But the latter? that's just flat out revenge, and yes, in any case, that warrants life.

would I have done the same as the father? probably. but that doesn't make it right.

Caught in the act. Beat him to death. No charges brought against him- it was argued that it was self defence.

Summarizing your 'legal' position that circumstances have no bearing... Olson's murders are no different than the enraged father acting after the fact. If this is so... is it your moral position as well?

lukin2006

A couple of real winners here ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_ ... on_murders

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of ... her_Newsom

Thirty Bills Unpaid

lukin2006 wrote:

Why is it that so many seem to agree that solitary confinement is worse than death? and so many seem content with that ... yet many argue that capital punishment is unjust and in some cases an easy way out. So if this is your line of thinking that solitary is torture then you might be out to see a person suffer, more than anything ... yes/no?

I myself ... solitary should be discontinued ... everyone in general ... no matter the crime. Certain individuals absolutely deserve capital punishment ... those that shall be in the front of the line are those that video tape themselves humiliating their victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

here's some real human garbage

Are you calling DP proponents softies on punishment?

What you say is a fair argument to make.

And... I'm right with you with regards to what you see as appropriate for those two shitbirds.

lukin2006

and the worst part of capital punishment ... most is now by lethal injection ... they get to go to sleep peacefully, very little suffering, maybe some ...

lets face it if these pieces of trash are removed from the earth their is zero chance that they can harm another single human again ... prison doesn't guarantee that ... that's the only deterrent that I care about ...

lukin2006

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Why is it that so many seem to agree that solitary confinement is worse than death? and so many seem content with that ... yet many argue that capital punishment is unjust and in some cases an easy way out. So if this is your line of thinking that solitary is torture then you might be out to see a person suffer, more than anything ... yes/no?

I myself ... solitary should be discontinued ... everyone in general ... no matter the crime. Certain individuals absolutely deserve capital punishment ... those that shall be in the front of the line are those that video tape themselves humiliating their victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

here's some real human garbage

Are you calling DP proponents softies on punishment?

What you say is a fair argument to make.

And... I'm right with you with regards to what you see as appropriate for those two shitbirds.

in many instances yes ... for me video taping your crime and humiliating victims that way is where I draw the line, these young ladies went to their death knowing they were video taped and maybe consciously or self consciously they knew others would view these tapes ... horrible, just fucking horrible.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

lukin2006 wrote:

Why is it that so many seem to agree that solitary confinement is worse than death? and so many seem content with that ... yet many argue that capital punishment is unjust and in some cases an easy way out. So if this is your line of thinking that solitary is torture then you might be out to see a person suffer, more than anything ... yes/no?

I myself ... solitary should be discontinued ... everyone in general ... no matter the crime. Certain individuals absolutely deserve capital punishment ... those that shall be in the front of the line are those that video tape themselves humiliating their victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

here's some real human garbage

no, I only think that solitary should be used in extreme cases where leaving a specific inmate in the general population puts others at risk, especially staff.

lukin2006

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Why is it that so many seem to agree that solitary confinement is worse than death? and so many seem content with that ... yet many argue that capital punishment is unjust and in some cases an easy way out. So if this is your line of thinking that solitary is torture then you might be out to see a person suffer, more than anything ... yes/no?

I myself ... solitary should be discontinued ... everyone in general ... no matter the crime. Certain individuals absolutely deserve capital punishment ... those that shall be in the front of the line are those that video tape themselves humiliating their victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

here's some real human garbage

no, I only think that solitary should be used in extreme cases where leaving a specific inmate in the general population puts others at risk, especially staff.

The scum I mention are kept in solitary to keep them safe ... I want them in general population so they can live in fear, not knowing when or whats coming ... just knowing something unpleasant is coming their way ... sorry I don't share or have compassion for certain people, the crimes I mentioned were not acts of passion or they suddenly snapped, these folks knew what they were doing and my only sympathy is for the family and victims of these horrendous crimes.

these POS should be in general as ... if I thought for a moment that we could trust Afghanistan or Pakistan to carry out the life sentence I'd gladly deport them to a prison there ... in general population of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders

And I guess since theft still occurs, break and enters, armed robberies, etc., we might as well not lock them up, it obviously does not work as a deterrent. To me capital punishment is a deterrent ... it deters those who are condemned from ever harming another single person on earth ... and I only advocate for the extreme cases where there is no doubt.

callen

Blood and vengeance such wonderful human qualities.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

callen wrote:

Blood and vengeance such wonderful human qualities.

You wish to contribute in this capacity? Okay... I'll offer this:

Minimizing the rape and murder of our children makes one so much more enlightened.

chadwick

ridding this life of disgust makes this life flower each one

Hugh Freaking Dillon

lukin2006 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Why is it that so many seem to agree that solitary confinement is worse than death? and so many seem content with that ... yet many argue that capital punishment is unjust and in some cases an easy way out. So if this is your line of thinking that solitary is torture then you might be out to see a person suffer, more than anything ... yes/no?

I myself ... solitary should be discontinued ... everyone in general ... no matter the crime. Certain individuals absolutely deserve capital punishment ... those that shall be in the front of the line are those that video tape themselves humiliating their victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

here's some real human garbage

no, I only think that solitary should be used in extreme cases where leaving a specific inmate in the general population puts others at risk, especially staff.

The scum I mention are kept in solitary to keep them safe ... I want them in general population so they can live in fear, not knowing when or whats coming ... just knowing something unpleasant is coming their way ... sorry I don't share or have compassion for certain people, the crimes I mentioned were not acts of passion or they suddenly snapped, these folks knew what they were doing and my only sympathy is for the family and victims of these horrendous crimes.

these POS should be in general as ... if I thought for a moment that we could trust Afghanistan or Pakistan to carry out the life sentence I'd gladly deport them to a prison there ... in general population of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders

And I guess since theft still occurs, break and enters, armed robberies, etc., we might as well not lock them up, it obviously does not work as a deterrent. To me capital punishment is a deterrent ... it deters those who are condemned from ever harming another single person on earth ... and I only advocate for the extreme cases where there is no doubt.

please look again and see where most of my concern lies.

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

callen wrote:

Blood and vengeance such wonderful human qualities.

You wish to contribute in this capacity? Okay... I'll offer this:

Minimizing the rape and murder of our children makes one so much more enlightened.

Stooping to murderer's level is sad state of mind.