US warns palestinians:want statehood? we'll cut aid
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For your information, the Palestinians have publicly stated their support of the international consensus for a peaceful settlement to the Israel-Palestine conflict based on implementation of U.N Resolution 242 which calls for an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from land occupied during and since the 1967 war.
The Palestinians, along with the whole World, support this position, while Israel and the U.S oppose it.
The whole World is one one side, and Israel and the U.S are on the other side - calling for more so-called 'peace-talks', which is nothing more than a stalling tactic to allow Israel to steal more land and build more illegal Jewish-only settlements.
The Israel Lobby - A.I.P.A.C - controls congress.[/quote]
I have a simple solution for you, stay in China and don't worry about what America and Israel do. I will give you credit though, you have mastered the art of using Google. Bravo!!!!!!![/quote]
I am starting to get embarrassed for you.....[/quote]
Please don't............ Again another non-American's thoughts on what America should do.0 -
why can't someone who is not american have an opinion on american foreign policy?? especially when so many people in other countries are affected by our foreign policy....quimby20 wrote:Please don't............ Again another non-American's thoughts on what America should do.
i think americans would do good to listen to people from other countries....they might learn something.."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
quimby20 wrote:puremagic wrote:quimby20 wrote:Well her is a little fact for you. I'm 50 years old and I am old enough to remember my neighbor who had numbers tattooed on his arm from the concentration camps. He would tell me of the stories of what his family had to face and how many family members he lost during this evil time.
These stories alone have allowed to make my own decisions on how I support Israel. The Palestinians have already publicly stated that there will be NO Jewish minority in Palestine. No ethnic cleansing here??????? This is enough for me.
No need to text my friends here, sorry.
I knew at some point the Holocaust would be evoked What does the Holocaust have to do with a Palestinian state? Did you stop to ask yourself why Israel doesn't attack Germany, Poland, France, Italy, Norway, Switzerland, the Vatican, the US, the UK, Russia, Paraguay, Brazil and others that participated, endorsed and/or turn a blind eye to their plight. Why is the Holocaust an Arab problem?
I was asked why my support for the Jews.....
No you weren't. You asked me why people still hated Jews and I asked you why you thought people still hated Jews. I asked you this question in hopes that you'd see that discussing Israel's policies is not a pretext to being anti-Semitic, when there are those that exist in America that truly do hate Jews and if you'd seek out some of those reasons, you'd see how easy it is to continuously spread the hate. I for one, am damn tired of our troops being in the Middle East.SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.0 -
Actually, I don't disagree with you on this. I do beleive we put our noses in way to many countries business. I do want to make one thing perfectly clear, I am not a Tea Bagger, did not like Bush, can;t stand Obama.... Right now the best answer for America is Ron Paul. I think he fit's your beleive of what America should do.gimmesometruth27 wrote:
why can't someone who is not american have an opinion on american foreign policy?? especially when so many people in other countries are affected by our foreign policy....quimby20 wrote:Please don't............ Again another non-American's thoughts on what America should do.
i think americans would do good to listen to people from other countries....they might learn something..
As a side note, I see you are into MMA and martial arts. I study Wing Chun Kung Fu and do beleive Bruce Lee had a good view on life. My style of Kung Fu is very defense oriented and I don't believe in physical violence. The world is a different place and my view of Obama would be much different if he indeed brought all of our troops home.;0 -
[/quote] No you weren't. You asked me why people still hated Jews and I asked you why you thought people still hated Jews. I asked you this question in hopes that you'd see that discussing Israel's policies is not a pretext to being anti-Semitic, when there are those that exist in America that truly do hate Jews and if you'd seek out some of those reasons, you'd see how easy it is to continuously spread the hate. I for one, am damn tired of our troops being in the Middle East.[/quote]
See my last post, we agree on this. War is not the answer and America's politics have not changed since I have been voting (1980), so we can agree on this. I am gone for awhile but will respond to other posts later, Friday night and I need a Margarita....0 -
sorry for my inability to properly use the quoting function....0
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quimby20 wrote:The more you post the more I realize you would have been one of the scumbags who spit on soldiers returning from Vietnam.
God Bless America
Except the anti-Vietnam war movement was made up mostly of Vietnam veterans.
The whole 'spitting at soldiers' thing was a media fabrication.
But don't let that get in the way of whatever point you're trying to make.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:quimby20 wrote:The more you post the more I realize you would have been one of the scumbags who spit on soldiers returning from Vietnam.
God Bless America
Except the anti-Vietnam war movement was made up mostly of Vietnam veterans.
The whole 'spitting at soldiers' thing was a media fabrication.
But don't let that get in the way of whatever point you're trying to make.
Fabrication???? are you High??? How old are you, were you there?? I am old enough to personally see it. Crawl back into your hole.0 -
quimby20 wrote:Fabrication???? are you High??? How old are you, were you there?? I am old enough to personally see it. Crawl back into your hole.
I don't give two shits how old you are. The anti-Vietnam war movement didn't protest the troops. It protested the suits who sent them to that bullshit war. The movement was begun by vets and was run by vets.
Keep up the trolling.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:quimby20 wrote:Fabrication???? are you High??? How old are you, were you there?? I am old enough to personally see it. Crawl back into your hole.
I don't give two shits how old you are. The anti-Vietnam war movement didn't protest the troops. It protested the suits who sent them to that bullshit war. The movement was begun by vets and was run by vets.
Keep up the trolling.
Again....Are you High???????? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Get you head out of the Liberal Text Books you were raised on and learn the truth about the Vietnam war. Man your idiot.0 -
quimby20 wrote:Byrnzie wrote:quimby20 wrote:Fabrication???? are you High??? How old are you, were you there?? I am old enough to personally see it. Crawl back into your hole.
I don't give two shits how old you are. The anti-Vietnam war movement didn't protest the troops. It protested the suits who sent them to that bullshit war. The movement was begun by vets and was run by vets.
Keep up the trolling.
Again....Are you High???????? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Get you head out of the Liberal Text Books you were raised on and learn the truth about the Vietnam war. Man your idiot.
Did these 'believes' of yours also come from your conversations with your Jewish friends, or did these 'believes' come from talking to yourself?0 -
quimby20 wrote:The more you post the more I realize you would have been one of the scumbags who spit on soldiers returning from Vietnam.
God Bless America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image
The Spitting Image
'The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory and the Legacy of Vietnam' is a 1998 book by sociologist Jerry Lembcke. The book argues that the common claim that American soldiers were spat upon and insulted by anti-war protesters upon returning home from the Vietnam War is an urban legend intended to discredit the anti-war movement. Lembcke's book argues, further, that posttraumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, is a socially-constructed diagnostic category that disparages the image of Vietnam veterans and provided another way to discredit the many veterans in the anti-war movement. Lembcke writes that this discrediting of the anti-war movement was foreshadowed by Hermann Göring's fostering of the stab in the back myth, after Germany's defeat in Europe in 1918.[1]
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A persistent criticism leveled against those who protested the United States's involvement in the Vietnam War is that protesters spat upon and otherwise derided returning soldiers, calling them "baby-killers", etc. Lembcke says he found no evidence to suggest this ever happened and suggests it may have come in part from the common chant by protesters aimed at President Lyndon Baines Johnson, "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" One of the hallmarks of the period's anti-war movement was its stated support for the troops in the field and the affiliation of many returning veterans with it. At the time he wrote The Spitting Image he had not found a single media report to support the claims of spitting. He theorizes that the reported "spitting on soldiers" scenario was a mythical projection by those who felt "spat upon" (ignored and unappreciated) and was meant to discredit future anti-war activism. He suggests that the images of pro-war antipathy against anti-war protesters helped contribute to the myth. Lembcke argues that memories of being verbally and physically assaulted by anti-war protesters were largely conjured, arguing that not even one case could be documented.
However, some news accounts that mention spitting do exist, although there has been no evidence to support those accounts. After a review of contemporary news sources, Northwestern Law School professor James Lindgren claimed to have found news accounts that discussed spitting incidents. Lembcke provided an 18-point response to Lindgren at http://www.slate.com/id/2159470/sidebar/2159648/ expressing interest in one of Lindgren's claims. A December 27, 1971 CBS Evening News report on veteran Delmar Pickett who said he was spat at in Seattle appears to also have some validity as a claim, but not as evidence that the incident reported actually happened.[2][3]
Covering this same topic is author and columnist Bob Greene's 1989 book Homecoming in which Greene prints several letters he had solicited from veterans, asking to hear from them if they had been spat upon and focuses on firsthand accounts of their treatment.[4] Greene's book includes 63 accounts involving spitting, and 69 accounts from veterans that did not believe anyone was spat upon after returning from Vietnam. Like Lembke, Greene questions whether the spitting stories even made sense, noting "Even during the most fervent days of anti-war protest, it seemed that it was not the soldiers whom protesters were maligning. It was the leaders of government, and the top generals—at least, that is how it seemed in memory. One of the most popular chants during the anti-war marches was, “Stop the war in Vietnam, bring the boys home.” You heard that at every peace rally in America. “Bring the boys home.” That was the message. Also, when one thought realistically about the image of what was supposed to have happened, it seemed questionable. So-called “hippies,” no matter what else one may have felt about them, were not the most macho people in the world. Picture a burly member of the Green Berets, in full uniform, walking through an airport. Now think of a “hippie” crossing his path. Would the hippie have the nerve to spit on the soldier? And if the hippie did, would the soldier—fresh from facing enemy troops in the jungles of Vietnam—just stand there and take it?" While Greene admits he couldn't validate the authenticity of the accounts in the letters he received, he did believe spitting occurred, stating,"There were simply too many letters, going into too fine a detail, to deny the fact." Greene concluded, "I think you will agree, after reading the letters, that even if several should prove to be not what they appear to be, that does not detract from the overall story that is being told."[5] Lembke claims that some of the stories that Green published "have elements of such exaggeration that one has to question the veracity of the entire account." He also points out that there were several newspaper accounts of pro-war demonstrators spitting on anti-war demonstrators and suggests that these accounts may have been reinterpreted over the years.[6] In The Spitting Image Lembcke acknowledges that he cannot prove the negative—that no Vietnam veteran was spat on—saying (p. 68) it is hard to imagine there not being expressions of hostility between veterans and activists.
The Spitting Image asserts that the claims of abuse of soldiers by antiwar demonstrators became ingrained in the American consciousness only some years after the war had come to a close; Lembcke attributes the legend's growth to films relating to Vietnam, notably Rambo. He writes that these claims were used by President George H. W. Bush as a way to help sell the Gulf War to the American people. Lembcke believes that the myth is currently useful in promoting the yellow ribbon campaign; it has led some to think that for one to support troops, one must also support the war, because it ties together the ideas of anti-war sentiment and anti-troop sentiment, although a common chant has been "Support the Troops: Bring them Home!"Post edited by Byrnzie on0 -
Great Job searching Google. Please............. Stay in China... Again, answer my question, How Fucking old are you??????0
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quimby20 wrote:Great Job searching Google. Please............. Stay in China... Again, answer my question, How Fucking old are you??????
Proven wrong once again. Maybe you should try checking the facts yourself once in a while. That way you won't keep posting bullshit.
As for my age, it's none of your [...] business, you troll.0 -
quimby20 wrote:Great Job searching Google. Please............. Stay in China... Again, answer my question, How Fucking old are you??????
Just out of curiosity, where did you 'learn' that returning Vietnam vets were spat on by the anti-war protestors? Did you 'learn' it from watching the Rambo movies?0 -
Byrnzie wrote:quimby20 wrote:Great Job searching Google. Please............. Stay in China... Again, answer my question, How Fucking old are you??????
Just out of curiosity, where did you 'learn' that returning Vietnam vets were spat on by the anti-war protestors? Did you 'learn' it from watching the Rambo movies?
How about my father and my uncle. They were treated like shit when they came back, so go go hell YOU TROLL0 -
quimby20 wrote:How about my father and my uncle. They were treated like shit when they came back, so go go hell YOU TROLL
I'm not a troll. My posts deal with the subject under discussion. I have no interest in you personally.
As for your father and Uncle, they weren't spat on.
And who treated them like shit? The protestors who fought to get them brought home, or the government who neglected them when they got back?0
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