US warns palestinians:want statehood? we'll cut aid

usamamasan1

quimby20 wrote:

You google Brrnzie.

what ever happened to the Freedom Floatilla? losing
GO ISRAEL!

WOOT

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

quimby20 wrote:

You google Brrnzie.

what ever happened to the Freedom Floatilla? losing
GO ISRAEL!

WOOT

Do you support ethnic cleansing?

What's your hero Rick Perry's views on Israel? Does he also support the ongoing building of illegal racist settlements on stolen land?

Edit: Though I don't honestly expect a straight answer. Just a silly picture and a dumb, meaningless slogan indicative of someone who gets all their information about the World from the t.v.

quimby20

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Do you support ethnic cleansing?

What's your hero Rick Perry's views on Israel? Does he also support the ongoing building of illegal racist settlements on stolen land?

Edit: Though I don't honestly expect a straight answer. Just a silly picture and a dumb, meaningless slogan indicative of someone who gets all their information about the World from the t.v.[/quote]


Sorry, I don't watch TV and I draw my own conclusions and I don't google to back my points, but rock on if that is what floats your boat. I truly hope Obama supports your view because it will be his demise next November.

Byrnzie

quimby20 wrote:

Sorry, I don't watch TV and I draw my own conclusions and I don't google to back my points, but rock on if that is what floats your boat. I truly hope Obama supports your view because it will be his demise next November.

Maybe you should try backing your points. Facts are a wonderful thing. They beat empty rhetoric and bigotry everytime.

Byrnzie

The whole world on one side, and Israel and the U.S on the other.


Business as usual, ten years after 9/11.

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

quimby20 wrote:

As far as Isreal stealing land, get over it. Jewish tribes settled this land 2000 years prior to 1967. But then again, I know nothing about that....

So you base Israel's claim to the land on something that may or may not have occurred 2000 years ago?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that claim has zero legitimacy. We're talking about today's World.


'UN General Assembly Partition Resolution 181 of 1947, which established the Jewish state’s international legitimacy, also recognised the remaining Palestinian territory outside the new state’s borders as the equally legitimate patrimony of Palestine’s Arab population on which they were entitled to establish their own state, and it mapped the borders of that territory with great precision. Resolution 181’s affirmation of the right of Palestine’s Arab population to national self-determination was based on normative law and the democratic principles that grant statehood to the majority population. (At the time, Arabs constituted two-thirds of the population in Palestine.) This right does not evaporate because of delays in its implementation.'

so it's o.k. to say the Indians and the Mexicans have no argument in the US then right ?
I mean we are talking about todays world right ?
Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

The whole world on one side, and Israel and the U.S on the other.


Business as usual, ten years after 9/11.

we have not learned a fucking thing...

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

so it's o.k. to say the Indians and the Mexicans have no argument in the US then right ?
I mean we are talking about todays world right ?
Godfather.

The Indians have rights based on treaties which are still binding.

They should also have the same basic rights as other citizens of the U.S.

Do they have a legal claim to all of the U.S? No.

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

so it's o.k. to say the Indians and the Mexicans have no argument in the US then right ?
I mean we are talking about todays world right ?
Godfather.

The Indians have rights based on treaties which are still binding.

They should also have the same basic rights as other citizens of the U.S.

Do they have a legal claim to all of the U.S? No.

just saying man if its 200 years or 2000 years it means just as much to those people as it would anybody else.

Godfather.

blueandwhite

Man, this has always been a ridiculously partisan topic.

As far as I'm concerned, the US shouldn't be supporting either side in this conflict. The cost has been too great to everyday Americans who have suffered the wrath of angry middle easterners who have directed their hatred towards the United States. Supporting the Israeli occupation of Palestine doesn't benefit the US in any way and it does nothing to enhance human rights in an already turbulent region. It's time for the US to pull back and focus on repairing its internal problems rather than stirring the pot internationally. Perhaps if the trillions you guys spent on your international interference was focused on building the American infrastructure you wouldn't be facing the worst financial crisis in 80+ years.

quimby20

Byrnzie wrote:

The whole world on one side, and Israel and the U.S on the other.


Business as usual, ten years after 9/11.

You are an idiot. Please stay in China.

gimmesometruth27

this can't possibly be one of the reasons the palestinians are seeking their own state...aparthied conditions...

Israel prevents Palestinians from free movement

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-prevents-p ... 59121.html

..BIDDU, West Bank (AP) — Ahmad Ayyash once had a construction job in Israel, earning good money. Now he is a goat herder struggling to eke out a living, barred from working in Israel and restricted from entering his olive grove next to this West Bank village.

Ayyash's story is familiar to Palestinians, who face a complicated system of travel restrictions that Israel mostly developed during the height of violence between them and Palestinians, hoping to prevent militants from reaching the Jewish state and West Bank settlements.

The lone Palestinian airport was destroyed in the fighting. The seaport in Gaza is blockaded by Israel's navy. In the West Bank, a system of military checkpoints constrains movement between a hodgepodge of autonomous zones. Movement between the two territories — the linchpins of a future Palestinian state — is virtually impossible.

These restrictions highlight why Palestinians are asking the United Nations this month to recognize their independence in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem — territories captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war. It would be a symbolic acknowledgment that Palestinians deserve a cohesive state and give them moral — if not legal — support in challenging restrictions in the West Bank, which are to ensure the safety of Israeli Jews who live there and not within Israel's de facto borders, in defiance of international opinion.

Still, it won't immediately change realities on the ground, where Israel remains in control.

"I'm choking here," said Ayyash, 40. "I'm stuck."

Just over a decade ago, Ayyash entered Israel each morning, earning $50 a day as a laborer — enough to support his wife and five daughters. After peace proposals were rejected in 2000, a violent Palestinian uprising against Israel's occupation flared, and his job quickly ended.

Reacting to waves of Palestinian suicide bombings, Israel banned most laborers from entry. Checkpoints and roadblocks were erected throughout the West Bank.

The territory's 2.6 million Palestinians have some self-rule under the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, but Israel retains overall control. Some 500,000 Jewish settlers live in the West Bank and adjacent east Jerusalem, the Palestinians' hoped-for capital.

Israel's military built a massive separation barrier that kept out attackers but has also gobbled chunks of the West Bank along its meandering route.

The barrier prevents many Palestinians, including Ayyash, from reaching their farmland. Despairing, two years ago he purchased a dozen goats to sell their milk and meat. He earns about $10 a day herding in his village of Biddu, next to the Jewish settlement of Givat Zeev, and only a mile and a half from the Green Line dividing the West Bank from Israel.

Restrictions have kept Israelis safe from attack, alongside security coordination with Palestinian officials. With a lull in violence, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu removed dozens of checkpoints in the past 2½ years, contributing to an economic revival in the West Bank.

"The whole problem is to find a reasonable balance between the demands of the security and allowing the Palestinian population in the West Bank as normal a life as possible and to allow the economy to thrive," said Israeli security analyst Ephraim Sneh, a retired general who once led the military administration overseeing civilian affairs in the West Bank.

But Palestinians say easing restrictions isn't enough. Officials argue while they can understand Israel defending its de-facto border, there are still some 500 obstacles — road blocks, checkpoints, dirt mounds — scattered through the West Bank to protect dozens of Jewish settlements. Those settlements — particularly those deep within the West Bank — hinder the possibility of creating a viable Palestinian state.

In a recent report, the U.N. said Palestinians in some 70 West Bank villages encountered Israeli roadblocks that forced them to use indirect routes that dramatically lengthened their travels and affected their access to employment, education and medical care. The roadblocks were to protect Jewish settlements, military bases and roads used by Israelis.

The Israeli military says it is alleviating restrictions and that thousands of landowners have permits to reach their farms. But Palestinian farmers said the army frequently refuses permission and doesn't allow them — and their helpers — the regular access they need to tend their land.

In parts of the West Bank, Palestinians cannot reach their lands near some settlements because they fear attacks by extremist Jews. In other areas, hard-line Jews fenced off Palestinian land. Israel's army must secure some areas for Palestinians to enter.

Roadblocks and checkpoints string through the biblical West Bank city of Hebron to protect several hundred Jewish settlers who live in fortified enclaves amid 180,000 Palestinians.

The effects are palpable. Palestinian mothers and fathers clutched the hands of their children hands on a recent morning as they walked through Israeli checkpoints to school.

"Come on, champion!" one father urged his sleepy son.

A soldier ordered one youth to stand against a wall, patting him down before he passed. Another soldier spoke in polite Arabic and joked with the youths — some just younger than he.

Access to the Jordan Valley, a fertile strip of land farther north, is largely restricted to registered residents. Even then, most of the area is closed as military zones, nature reserves and Jewish settlements, U.N. officials said.

Entering Israel requires special permission. About 30,000 Palestinians enter Israel for work every day, according to the military, while others receive permission for medical care or to visit relatives.

These restrictions include entrance to east Jerusalem. The area — home to key Jewish, Christian and Muslim sites — was annexed by Israel decades ago as part of its capital. Palestinians say the moves are to cement Israeli control.

In Gaza, 1.5 million Palestinians are mostly penned into the tiny territory.

Palestinians hope to link the West Bank and Gaza, located on either side of Israel, into a single state. But the two territories have little contact, especially since the militant group Hamas seized control of Gaza in 2007.

Since then, Israel and Egypt enforced a blockade to try keep the group in check. Few may leave through the Israeli-controlled border, and Egypt limits movement through its frontier. Hamas demands that Gaza residents obtain its permission before they leave and have denied it to students seeking to study in the U.S.

Miyada Ghanem, a blind Palestinian woman in the West Bank village of Beitin, has little faith that the U.N. vote will change her life.

Fed up with a lengthy bus ride to her university in nearby Ramallah — the result of an Israeli road closure to protect a settlement, Ghanem said she is leaving to pursue her studies in the U.S.

"It's a long wait for this bus," said Ghanem, 24. "I don't think that is going to change."

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mickeyrat

quimby20 wrote:

quimby20 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Who said anything about giving everything to Palestine?

This is about the occupation of land stolen during and after the 1967 war. But then you probably don't know anything about that, right?


And I'm not Chinese. But what secrets are you talking about? Or did you just make that up?

Can you say General Electric...........

As far as Isreal stealing land, get over it. Jewish tribes settled this land 2000 years prior to 1967. But then again, I know nothing about that....

According to biblical history that would be only one of 12 tribes of Abraham, now wouldnt it?

Byrnzie

quimby20 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

The whole world on one side, and Israel and the U.S on the other.


Business as usual, ten years after 9/11.

You are an idiot. Please stay in China.

Let me know when you have anything constructive to say.

quimby20

Byrnzie wrote:

quimby20 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

The whole world on one side, and Israel and the U.S on the other.


Business as usual, ten years after 9/11.

You are an idiot. Please stay in China.

Let me know when you have anything constructive to say.

I am so sorry, you are so much more intelligent then I. I don't know what I was thinking. I should just kiss your ring.....you prick.

catefrances

quimby20 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

quimby20 wrote:

You are an idiot. Please stay in China.

Let me know when you have anything constructive to say.

I am so sorry, you are so much more intelligent then I. I don't know what I was thinking. I should just kiss your ring.....you prick.

and which ring would that be exactly.. cause im having some wild thoughts here.

Byrnzie

quimby20 wrote:

I am so sorry, you are so much more intelligent then I. I don't know what I was thinking. I should just kiss your ring.....you prick.

Internet tough guy.


I suggest you take your lame comments over to Youtube's comments section where you'll find more like-minded people slinging cheap-shots at each other behind the safety of their computer screens.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

so it's o.k. to say the Indians and the Mexicans have no argument in the US then right ?
I mean we are talking about todays world right ?
Godfather.

The Indians have rights based on treaties which are still binding.

They should also have the same basic rights as other citizens of the U.S.

Do they have a legal claim to all of the U.S? No.

just saying man if its 200 years or 2000 years it means just as much to those people as it would anybody else.

Godfather.

We're talking about today's World, not a fantasy World. Some treaties that are 100 years old are still binding.
Israel had no legal claim to any part of the land of Palestine.
But this is beside the point. We're talking about the internationally recognized 1967 borders, which the whole World accepts, including the Palestinians. And which the U.S has stood alone in the World by blocking for the past 40 years.

bootlegger10

The Great Cornholio wrote:

dude, israel and the jews have their state and place in the world. they are not in any danger, despite the fearmongering and propaganda fed to the gullible.

This is about as ignorant a comment as they come. You know the Jews are only 66 years removed from the Holocaust when millions upon millions of Jews were murdered, right? To say the Jews aren't in trouble when they are surrounded by enemies is ridiculous.

catefrances

bootlegger10 wrote:

The Great Cornholio wrote:

dude, israel and the jews have their state and place in the world. they are not in any danger, despite the fearmongering and propaganda fed to the gullible.

This is about as ignorant a comment as they come. You know the Jews are only 66 years removed from the Holocaust when millions upon millions of Jews were murdered, right? To say the Jews aren't in trouble when they are surrounded by enemies is ridiculous.

no matter where they were they were surrounded by enemies. thats their history. its not right but its there.
i suspect had the settlement of the modern state of israel been handled differently and with deference to the already established communities, both jewish and palestinian, things would be vastly different than they are today. disregarding the palestinians right to also live in their homeland was a major mistake. one both sides are now paying for. and i think the only way it will be resolved is not by the world hammering the issue home but by both sides coming together and actually respecting each other and acknowledging that no matter what religion you are or which culture youve come from, you have a right to live in the land now known as israel.