US warns palestinians:want statehood? we'll cut aid

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    Byrnzie wrote:
    But continuing to stand alone in the World by supporting Israel's criminal occupation certainly isn't going to endear the U.S and it's citizens to anyone.
    especially when/if we throw down the big veto at the un today...

    :twisted:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2011
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    But continuing to stand alone in the World by supporting Israel's criminal occupation certainly isn't going to endear the U.S and it's citizens to anyone.
    especially when/if we throw down the big veto at the un today...

    :twisted:

    They'll veto it just like they vetoed International condemnation of Israel's settlement building in February of this year - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/fe ... settlement

    But after they veto the Palestinians bid for statehood today their position as supposed honest broker for peace in this conflict will henceforth be seen for exactly what it is, and always has been: a sham.

    America's veto today will have the result of weakening it's role in any future negotiations. And in light of it's complete bias towards Israel and utter contempt for the rights of the Palestinians, that can only be a good thing. The fact is, the Israeli's control congress. The U.S is Israel's lapdog. And after today's events the whole World will see that clearly.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Byrnzie wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    But continuing to stand alone in the World by supporting Israel's criminal occupation certainly isn't going to endear the U.S and it's citizens to anyone.
    especially when/if we throw down the big veto at the un today...

    :twisted:

    They'll veto it just like they vetoed International condemnation of Israel's settlement building in February of this year - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/fe ... settlement

    But after they veto the Palestinians bid for statehood today their position as supposed honest broker for peace in this conflict will henceforth be seen for exactly what it is, and always has been: a sham.

    America's veto today will have the result of weakening it's role in any future negotiations. And in light of it's complete bias towards Israel and utter contempt for the rights of the Palestinians, that can only be a good thing.

    Maybe they wont veto? ;)
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    Idris wrote:
    Maybe they wont veto? ;)
    oh we will veto it...it has already been stated by obama and clinton and other diplomats...

    bastards..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Abbas speech complete, of course Natanyahu get's to follow.

    Seeing the Americans sit silent when most of the UN was cheering the speech by Abbas, say's tons, say's everything!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    Idris wrote:
    Abbas speech complete, of course Natanyahu get's to follow.

    Seeing the Americans sit silent when most of the UN was cheering the speech by Abbas, say's tons, say's everything!
    i will bet they will ejaculate over what bibi has to say...just like congress did when he spoke there a few months ago...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    If isn't America having good relations with a Jewish nation it will be something else. Oil, religion, Monday Night Football, cartoons, a high tide, Rosie O'Donnell, a tree falling in a forest with no one around ... who knows.

    Let's say the U.S. backs Palestine in the U.N. vote and pulls every single troop out of the middle east by next Wednesday. Is there even a 1% chance that Al-Qaeda decides to call it a day? I think you know the answer to that question ...

    If the U.S ceased meddling in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries, and ceased bankrolling Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign and land-grab then what reason would Al-Qaeda have to target America? When the French colonialists left Algeria the Algerians didn't continue attacking them. When the British ceded control of India the Indians didn't continue attacking them. And when was the last time any I.R.A bomb went off in England?

    So, maybe they would stop attacking U.S interests. Who knows?
    But continuing to stand alone in the World by supporting Israel's criminal occupation certainly isn't going to endear the U.S and it's citizens to anyone.

    The Indians didn't have Vishnu commanding them to wage a holy war on Britain. And Algeria was a puppet of the U.S. according to everyone's comments on the Arab Spring threads. The Irish ... I think they just decided to get (more) drunk. ;)

    Considering that the U.S. government is still taking crap for slavery and native american oppression in the 1800's, there is no way we are getting a pass for standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Jews.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    Jason P wrote:
    Considering that the U.S. government is still taking crap for slavery and native american oppression in the 1800's, there is no way we are getting a pass for standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Jews.
    you should probably rephrase that to read "standing shoulder to shoulder with the israeli government"..

    i know plenty of jewish people that i hang out with, drink beer with, and i support them because they are my friends. but they are not zionists and are much more moderate in their thinking towards the conflict. most of those guys and gals condemn the israeli government for what they are doing, especially the blockade and the illegal settlement expansions..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Considering that the U.S. government is still taking crap for slavery and native american oppression in the 1800's, there is no way we are getting a pass for standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Jews.
    you should probably rephrase that to read "standing shoulder to shoulder with the israeli government"..

    i know plenty of jewish people that i hang out with, drink beer with, and i support them because they are my friends. but they are not zionists and are much more moderate in their thinking towards the conflict. most of those guys and gals condemn the israeli government for what they are doing, especially the blockade and the illegal settlement expansions..
    Fair enough.
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  • quimby20
    quimby20 Posts: 823
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Considering that the U.S. government is still taking crap for slavery and native american oppression in the 1800's, there is no way we are getting a pass for standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Jews.
    you should probably rephrase that to read "standing shoulder to shoulder with the israeli government"..

    i know plenty of jewish people that i hang out with, drink beer with, and i support them because they are my friends. but they are not zionists and are much more moderate in their thinking towards the conflict. most of those guys and gals condemn the israeli government for what they are doing, especially the blockade and the illegal settlement expansions..


    After reading your profile as training and participating in MMA, which is the most brutal (vial) sport today, your opinion means shit. Beating the hell out of somebody in a cage is barbaric. As I side note, I have trained in Wing Chun Kung Fu and laugh at you assholes. Get off your fucking soap box. Stop trying to show eveyrone how smart you are and just shut the fuck up!
  • quimby20
    quimby20 Posts: 823
    Last post directed to gimme... the biggest hypocrite on this sire, Research MMA fighting, which he claims to participate in and realize his dove mentality is all bullshit.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    edited September 2011
    quimby20 wrote:
    Last post directed to gimme... the biggest hypocrite on this sire, Research MMA fighting, which he claims to participate in and realize his dove mentality is all bullshit.
    to be honest with you, i have a masters degree and work in health care. i am not a stupid person. and i don't give a shit about your opinion of mma. to me it is a human chess match and i have never fought anyone out of anger. i respect my opponent and if i win, i win. if i lose, i lose. it can be brutal, but so can all combat sports. so i suggest you talk about the topic and not me. getting personal is a sign of having nothing of importance or relevent to say...
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    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    quimby20 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Considering that the U.S. government is still taking crap for slavery and native american oppression in the 1800's, there is no way we are getting a pass for standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Jews.
    you should probably rephrase that to read "standing shoulder to shoulder with the israeli government"..

    i know plenty of jewish people that i hang out with, drink beer with, and i support them because they are my friends. but they are not zionists and are much more moderate in their thinking towards the conflict. most of those guys and gals condemn the israeli government for what they are doing, especially the blockade and the illegal settlement expansions..


    After reading your profile as training and participating in MMA, which is the most brutal (vial) sport today, your opinion means shit. Beating the hell out of somebody in a cage is barbaric. As I side note, I have trained in Wing Chun Kung Fu and laugh at you assholes. Get off your fucking soap box. Stop trying to show eveyrone how smart you are and just shut the fuck up!
    so because i have been a fighter my opinion is irrelevent?? interesting, mr message board lord...go troll somewhere else...

    or better yet, please enlighten me and the rest of us as to your postion on the blockade and the settlement expansion...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • quimby20
    quimby20 Posts: 823
    Gimmie, whatever bro, I would love to see you in a cage. shut your trap. your a hypocrite.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Godfather. wrote:
    to end this argument lets just cut aid to every country and fix this one first (America) :D

    Godfather.


    Right..

    :D

    Unless it's a natural disaster of course,but then again we give a shit load in private donations.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    quimby20 wrote:
    After reading your profile as training and participating in MMA, which is the most brutal (vial) sport today, your opinion means shit. Beating the hell out of somebody in a cage is barbaric. As I side note, I have trained in Wing Chun Kung Fu and laugh at you assholes. Get off your fucking soap box. Stop trying to show eveyrone how smart you are and just shut the fuck up!

    Another enlightened post from out valuable new addition to the messageboard. :lol:
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    quimby20 wrote:
    Gimmie, whatever bro, I would love to see you in a cage. shut your trap. your a hypocrite.
    quimby you are silly...derailing the thread to talk about me is flattering, but i am here to discuss the topic.

    again i ask you to please enlighten me and the rest of us as to your postion on the blockade and the settlement expansion...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    here is a website that everyone should spend a little time on.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    here is a website that everyone should spend a little time on.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/



    That's crazy I was just on that site trying to get some insight on this subject.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    WaveCameCrashin wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    here is a website that everyone should spend a little time on.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/



    That's crazy I was just on that site trying to get some insight on this subject.
    yeah that site has been around for awhile. it is designed to make americans aware of what is happening there. they are targeting americans because most of us know nothing about the subject and they assume (correctly i hope) that if everyday americans knew what was going on that we would be appalled enough to press our government officials to make the necessary changes to broker an honest and just peace. it is our policy to veto anything critical of israel at the UN, and if most americans knew what was being done in their name they would be angry as hell about it..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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