Don’t Play the ‘Offence Card’

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

But I too think Hate crimes is pretty stupid. Aren't too many crimes you commit because of love. Anyhow, that might be another thread.

... when I hear people say "all crimes are hate crimes" I just roll my eyes at their sheer stupidity)

Hence "aren't too many"

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that.

Not a big deal, I had said "aren't too many crimes you commit because of love"...and you said "when I hear people say "all crimes are hate crimes" I just roll my eyes at their sheer stupidity"

So I was clarifying. but I also don't think it is "their sheer stupidity". I think they just aren't really thinking about motive and more thinking that you wouldn't do something like that to anyone if you liked them...equated bad behavior/choice with hate. It's probably simplistic and I may have done it myself in the past, but I don't think it only comes from sheer stupidity.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

but I don't think it only comes from sheer stupidity.

Maybe not, you're right about that. Being the victim of random hate crimes that the only motive was "hurt some faggot I don't know," I'll tell you that it gets very frustrating when people say that "hate crimes" don't exist.

Many people don't and WILL NEVER know the feeling of being afraid to leave your own house because someone you don't know wants to hurt you. When I was a teenager, I was randomly attacked a lot by people who only knew me as "that faggot." I had done nothing to these people... didn't know them... that's a "hate crime." When the only motivation is just... blind, pointless hatred.

BinauralJam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg

markin ball

catefrances wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Too bad we have to be dead to take advantage of those "special rights" we have, eh?

How about you just give me equal marriage protections and call it even. Cuz it will be.

You do have equal marriage protections. I can only marry a lady and get those rights and so can you.

but dont you want to be able to have the equal right to marry your true love if it turned out to be a guy?

oh and...
a lady??? you mean a female im sure.. cause just cause shes got a vagina, doesnt mean shes a lady.

Yes I would like to have the same legal rights if I decided to marry a guy.

Oh, and...

a guy????

aerial

BinauralJam wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg

He has a good point...great post! Funny also.

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg

He has a good point...great post! Funny also.

I mean... yeah.. he's right.

I'm sure you don't give a rat's ass if I get pissed off and I don't give a rat's ass if you get upset that I pointed out you know very little and need a natural laxative.

But if you think that means I'm going to stop standing up for the rights of my family.. you're wrong. Because you can get as annoyed by it as you want.

I. Don't. Care.

BinauralJam

Prince , this is for you, enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU

MotoDC

BinauralJam wrote:

Prince , this is for you, enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU

HA! I lol'd in real life.

Prince Of Dorkness

BinauralJam wrote:

Prince , this is for you, enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU

Ah... that never gets old.

aerial

BinauralJam wrote:

Prince , this is for you, enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

WHY HAVE HATE CRIME LAWS?
If hate crimes are treated like other crimes and are not recognized as a special
category they are often not dealt with properly. This can manifest itself in ways
such as: investigators disbelieving the victim or failing to properly investigate
allegations of bias motive; prosecutors minimizing the offence when choosing
charges; and courts failing to apply their powers to increase sentences to reflect
the motives of the perpetrator.

...
You know what is funny?
That THIS is the only BENEFIT you can come up with. Like, someone who brutally murders you might only get Life in prison. Too bad you aren't gay, because then the guy would get the death penalty. THAT'S a BENEFIT???
With the logic you employ to arrives at this conclusion... you MUST also conclude that an Al Qaeda Arab Muslim Jihadist terrorist that brutally murders a Christian because he hates Christians... well, that's not a hate crime, is it?

butterjam

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

aerial wrote:

So can we say just about everyone is a bigot, hater, racist or some kind phobic. We should scrap those words. We are all “every day people”

I'll tell you what...

you give me every right that you have, you give my marriage the same legal standing as yours, you allow me to adopt children, you allow me to not get evicted from my house for being gay, not get fired from my job for being gay and not be tied to a fence and beaten to death for being gay...

you make me equal to you... and in return I'll never bring it up again. And then I will agree we're all "every day people."

Until then, I'm so sorry if my standing up for myself and fighting for my rights and demanding a bit of respect upsets you so.

Try prune juice.

Good post.

Any person who thinks that gays have equal rights to straight people in this country is ignorant.

gimmesometruth27

311jj wrote:

Any person who thinks that gays have equal rights to straight people in this country is ignorant.

i agree, and anyone who says anything otherwise offends me

aerial

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

aerial wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg

He has a good point...great post! Funny also.

I mean... yeah.. he's right.

I'm sure you don't give a rat's ass if I get pissed off and I don't give a rat's ass if you get upset that I pointed out you know very little and need a natural laxative.

But if you think that means I'm going to stop standing up for the rights of my family.. you're wrong. Because you can get as annoyed by it as you want.

I. Don't. Care.

Dork your always crying that life is not fair, you do realize all humans have problems (you do not see others here posting there problems repeatedly) ….you like to put your self on a pedestal above everyone.
You had a hard life being gay. Others have had hard lives also; they just do not post it constantly! We are all Everyday People!
You are not as special as you like to think.

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

Dork your always crying that life is not fair, you do realize all humans have problems (you do not see others here posting there problems repeatedly) ….you like to put your self on a pedestal above everyone.
You had a hard life being gay. Others have had hard lives also; they just do not post it constantly! We are all Everyday People!
You are not as special as you like to think.

are you saying he has nothing to complain about?

there are laws on the books that prevent him from having the same rights as you do. and even talk of a constitutional ammendment to insure his inequality...

if that is no reason to be outraged then nothing is...

JonnyPistachio

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

Dork your always crying that life is not fair, you do realize all humans have problems (you do not see others here posting there problems repeatedly) ….you like to put your self on a pedestal above everyone.
You had a hard life being gay. Others have had hard lives also; they just do not post it constantly! We are all Everyday People!
You are not as special as you like to think.

are you saying he has nothing to complain about?

there are laws on the books that prevent him from having the same rights as you do. and even talk of a constitutional ammendment to insure his inequality...

if that is no reason to be outraged then nothing is...

Exactly what I was going to say.
Also, Aerial, you posted the same thing in the thread about the teacher who was in trouble for anit-gay remarks, now you started another thread about "offence". Looks like to me you knew exactly what the responses would be and who you would respond to. I think maybe you have a problem with people like homosexuals wanting equal rights. Why is that?

A Moving Train is the perfect place for one to discuss their rights if it concerns the government. Maybe you don't have anything to complain about here because the government is not telling you that you cant marry the person you are in love with and that there might be a problem with them even staying in the same country as you. I'd be pissed off too.

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aerial wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I mean... yeah.. he's right.

I'm sure you don't give a rat's ass if I get pissed off and I don't give a rat's ass if you get upset that I pointed out you know very little and need a natural laxative.

But if you think that means I'm going to stop standing up for the rights of my family.. you're wrong. Because you can get as annoyed by it as you want.

I. Don't. Care.

Dork your always crying that life is not fair, you do realize all humans have problems (you do not see others here posting there problems repeatedly) ….you like to put your self on a pedestal above everyone.
You had a hard life being gay. Others have had hard lives also; they just do not post it constantly! We are all Everyday People!
You are not as special as you like to think.

I think I can speak for many of the Everyday People with problems when I say that the problems faced by Prince of Dorkness are harder and more special than mine (and I've had more than your average set of problems).

cincybearcat

_ wrote:

aerial wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I mean... yeah.. he's right.

I'm sure you don't give a rat's ass if I get pissed off and I don't give a rat's ass if you get upset that I pointed out you know very little and need a natural laxative.

But if you think that means I'm going to stop standing up for the rights of my family.. you're wrong. Because you can get as annoyed by it as you want.

I. Don't. Care.

Dork your always crying that life is not fair, you do realize all humans have problems (you do not see others here posting there problems repeatedly) ….you like to put your self on a pedestal above everyone.
You had a hard life being gay. Others have had hard lives also; they just do not post it constantly! We are all Everyday People!
You are not as special as you like to think.

I think I can speak for many of the Everyday People with problems when I say that the problems faced by Prince of Dorkness are harder and more special than mine (and I've had more than your average set of problems).

Agreed. Especially since Prince of Dorkness has all of those same other problems (or easily could) and then has to deal with all of the homophobic behavior and laws as well.

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

Dork your always crying that life is not fair, you do realize all humans have problems (you do not see others here posting there problems repeatedly) ….you like to put your self on a pedestal above everyone.
You had a hard life being gay. Others have had hard lives also; they just do not post it constantly! We are all Everyday People!
You are not as special as you like to think.

are you saying he has nothing to complain about? I am saying why complain about the same thing on every thread.there are laws on the books that prevent him from having the same rights as you do. and even talk of a constitutional ammendment to insure his inequality...

if that is no reason to be outraged then nothing is...

I posted this to see if anyone agreeded with the article and study the diffrent opinions. 8-)