Don’t Play the ‘Offence Card’
aerial
Posts: 2,319
In short…
Accusing your opponent of
causing you offence has become
an everyday tactic in public
discussion.
This is a cowardly tactic, which
means that you don’t have to
bother putting your own case, or
pointing out the other’s flaws.
This also presents another’s
opinions as mere ‘hate’ or ‘phobias’,
suggesting that your opponent is
blind or irrational, and not worth
arguing with.
Against this, we should celebrate
the virtues of public argument. It is
through arguments that we develop
our own ideas, and learn from each
other.
We should avoid playing the
‘offence card’, and continue with
the match of public debate.
Here is the rest
http://www.manifestoclub.com/files/Appleton0907.pdf
Accusing your opponent of
causing you offence has become
an everyday tactic in public
discussion.
This is a cowardly tactic, which
means that you don’t have to
bother putting your own case, or
pointing out the other’s flaws.
This also presents another’s
opinions as mere ‘hate’ or ‘phobias’,
suggesting that your opponent is
blind or irrational, and not worth
arguing with.
Against this, we should celebrate
the virtues of public argument. It is
through arguments that we develop
our own ideas, and learn from each
other.
We should avoid playing the
‘offence card’, and continue with
the match of public debate.
Here is the rest
http://www.manifestoclub.com/files/Appleton0907.pdf
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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to keep from getting banned again I bow out and say I agree with the article.
Anyway...
I don't know about that. In my experience being on the fence can lend itself to a considerable amount of abuse from both sides. Individuals who don't identify with a specific group are often lambasted for failing to take sides. Agnostics are dumped on by Atheists and religious groups, undecided voters will invariably be mocked and heckled by the media and partisan backers looking for support and people who don't assume a position on politically charged issues like the Israel Palestine conflict will be labeled as racist bigots by both sides.
The worst thing about sitting in the middle on an issue is that you ultimately suffer accusations of intolerance from both sides. Individuals who have highly partisan views enjoy the benefits of a strong peanut gallery. While taking a strong position and arousing accusations against your opponents may seem childish, there is a certain emotional satisfaction one gets from berating their opponents. Moreover, both sides can take some guilty pleasure beating on the fence sitter who is simply labeled an idiot or a bigot by everyone involved. Of course, this keeps the majority of people silent on most issues for fear of verbal and social abuse. Nobody wants to be labeled and if you sit in the middle (as I suspect a large number of folks do) you’re only going to suffer if you get into a discussion with anybody who holds highly partisan beliefs.
Sounds good to me. Don't forget, we're all victims too!
I'll tell you what...
you give me every right that you have, you give my marriage the same legal standing as yours, you allow me to adopt children, you allow me to not get evicted from my house for being gay, not get fired from my job for being gay and not be tied to a fence and beaten to death for being gay...
you make me equal to you... and in return I'll never bring it up again. And then I will agree we're all "every day people."
Until then, I'm so sorry if my standing up for myself and fighting for my rights and demanding a bit of respect upsets you so.
Try prune juice.
Hail, Hail!!!
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one who carries large bags of packaged tea for shipment-Teabagger?
Apparently it has other meanings also,
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'll tell you what...
you give me every right that you have, you give my marriage the same legal standing as yours,You can get married in some states you allow me to adopt children Why can't you adopt?[/color] you allow me to not get evicted from my house for being gay I am pretty sure that would be illegal, not get fired from my job for being gay also illegal and not be tied to a fence and beaten to death for being gay When were you tied to a fence and beaten[/color]?..You act as if only gays are miss treated in this world.... I would think being in the porn bussiness affects your life more than being gay..... make me equal to you... and in return I'll never bring it up again. And then I will agree we're all "every day people." ...as far as I am concerned you are equal to me..... :
Until then, I'm so sorry if my standing up for myself and fighting for my rights and demanding a bit of respect upsets you so.
Try prune juice........wtf:
Try some sugar.............
the only ones mistreated are the poor christians
You have special laws made just for you....if I get tied to a fence and beat to death the punishment would not be as harsh as it would if it was you tied up to a tree...killing me is just another person...killing you the murderer gets extra time because you are gay.....So in reality you have more respect and must be more important than I am...according to the law.....does that make you happy?
You really should stay clear of logical deductions Aerial, as they're clearly not your strong point.
Bigotry and persecution are not things for anyone to be grateful for.
He wants special treatment he has it.
"some" is not "all." And the vast majority of the rights are given at the national level, not the state level. I can't sponsor my husband for a green card, I'm not his next of kin. When we're on Vacation in another state, I'm not the one who would make medical decisions for him if he wasn't able to. And I can't collect his pension. Sorry, that's not good enough.
you tell me. there are 40 states where it's illegal for gay couples to adopt children. No idea why.
And you'd be wrong. There are only 12 states where it's illegal to evict people for being gay. Plus the District of Columbia. that makes 38 states where we can be.
Nope. The ENDA (Employment Non-Discrimination Act) has never passed. And it's legal to fire someone for being gay in 33 states.
Well, there are 75 countries where they either imprison or execute people for being gay. And gay sex is still technically illegal in 20 states. And currently in California, there is a trial going on trying to blame a 13 year old boy for his own murder. The defense is called the "Gay Panic" defense, saying that a straight man was so scared he had to kill the gay man to "defend himself." It's been used countless times. And has been successful is winning acquittals.
And why would you think that?
Unfortunately, the laws of this country do not.
Please learn a few facts before making a fool of yourself. Thanks.
you clearly don't understand the concept of "hate crimes."
See, the "hate crimes" addition is for the motive.
The guys who killed matthew shepherd could have said "why would I kill him? I didn't even know him."
Adding the Hate Crimes distinction doesn't make the sentence longer... it means that it can be used as a motive. Otherwise, the jury could agree... and they would be acquitted.
Trust me. I do not have more respect or special treatment. Don't try to play that card with me. You will lose.
Aerial, can I ask you a serious question?
Can you play the banjo?
But.... I don't want to squeal like a pig.
I know...
If PrinceOfD gets brutally murdered, his murderer would get the DEATH PENALTY!!!
Where if the same person did the same thing to you... your murderer would only get the death penalty.
Not Fair!!!
...
Wait. What?
Hail, Hail!!!
Can't.
For some reason I can even hear you saying that in my head. And I don't even know what you sound like.
Now now... To be fair, hate Crimes cover "sexual orientation" but don't say "gay."
So if he's brutally murdered for being heterosexual, the murderer would also get the DEATH PENALTY!!!,
Too bad we have to be dead to take advantage of those "special rights" we have, eh?
How about you just give me equal marriage protections and call it even. Cuz it will be.
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not unlike the candidacy of Rick Perry.
You do have equal marriage protections. I can only marry a lady and get those rights and so can you.
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