Don’t Play the ‘Offence Card’

aerial
aerial Posts: 2,319
edited September 2011 in A Moving Train
In short…
Accusing your opponent of
causing you offence has become
an everyday tactic in public
discussion.
This is a cowardly tactic, which
means that you don’t have to
bother putting your own case, or
pointing out the other’s flaws.
This also presents another’s
opinions as mere ‘hate’ or ‘phobias’,
suggesting that your opponent is
blind or irrational, and not worth
arguing with.
Against this, we should celebrate
the virtues of public argument. It is
through arguments that we develop
our own ideas, and learn from each
other.
We should avoid playing the
‘offence card’, and continue with
the match of public debate.


Here is the rest

http://www.manifestoclub.com/files/Appleton0907.pdf
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    I prefer smiley emoticons.

    http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=165521&p=3821369#p3821369
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    There you go, playing the hate card! There are only three people in the world I hate, and it is not because of there opinions or what they believe...... bye the Way I did laugh the minute I read that article.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    hmmmmm......

    to keep from getting banned again I bow out and say I agree with the article.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2011
    I think that to take offense in the strict sense of the term you need to identify yourself with a particular group, race, nation, or political party, e.t.c. And If you don't identify with any of these things, then it's not so easy to get offended.


    Anyway...
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  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I think that to take offense in the strict sense of the term you need to identify yourself with a particular group, race, nation, or political party, e.t.c. And If you don't identify with any of these things, then it's not so easy to get offended.


    Anyway...

    I don't know about that. In my experience being on the fence can lend itself to a considerable amount of abuse from both sides. Individuals who don't identify with a specific group are often lambasted for failing to take sides. Agnostics are dumped on by Atheists and religious groups, undecided voters will invariably be mocked and heckled by the media and partisan backers looking for support and people who don't assume a position on politically charged issues like the Israel Palestine conflict will be labeled as racist bigots by both sides.

    The worst thing about sitting in the middle on an issue is that you ultimately suffer accusations of intolerance from both sides. Individuals who have highly partisan views enjoy the benefits of a strong peanut gallery. While taking a strong position and arousing accusations against your opponents may seem childish, there is a certain emotional satisfaction one gets from berating their opponents. Moreover, both sides can take some guilty pleasure beating on the fence sitter who is simply labeled an idiot or a bigot by everyone involved. Of course, this keeps the majority of people silent on most issues for fear of verbal and social abuse. Nobody wants to be labeled and if you sit in the middle (as I suspect a large number of folks do) you’re only going to suffer if you get into a discussion with anybody who holds highly partisan beliefs.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    So can we say just about everyone is a bigot, hater, racist or some kind phobic. We should scrap those words. We are all “every day people”
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    aerial wrote:
    So can we say just about everyone is a bigot, hater, racist or some kind phobic. We should scrap those words. We are all “every day people”

    Sounds good to me. Don't forget, we're all victims too!
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    aerial wrote:
    So can we say just about everyone is a bigot, hater, racist or some kind phobic. We should scrap those words. We are all “every day people”


    I'll tell you what...

    you give me every right that you have, you give my marriage the same legal standing as yours, you allow me to adopt children, you allow me to not get evicted from my house for being gay, not get fired from my job for being gay and not be tied to a fence and beaten to death for being gay...

    you make me equal to you... and in return I'll never bring it up again. And then I will agree we're all "every day people."

    Until then, I'm so sorry if my standing up for myself and fighting for my rights and demanding a bit of respect upsets you so.

    Try prune juice.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Tea-Bagger.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    So can we say just about everyone is a bigot, hater, racist or some kind phobic. We should scrap those words. We are all “every day people”


    I'll tell you what...

    you give me every right that you have, you give my marriage the same legal standing as yours, you allow me to adopt children, you allow me to not get evicted from my house for being gay, not get fired from my job for being gay and not be tied to a fence and beaten to death for being gay...

    you make me equal to you... and in return I'll never bring it up again. And then I will agree we're all "every day people."

    Until then, I'm so sorry if my standing up for myself and fighting for my rights and demanding a bit of respect upsets you so.

    Try prune juice.
    i love this dude. good on you, Mr. Price of Dorkness. you are alright in my book.

    have yourself a great day.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    Cosmo wrote:
    Tea-Bagger.
    uh oh...you said the unspeakable word..... :o you had better watch out now...


    :lol:
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Tea-Bagger.
    uh oh...you said the unspeakable word..... :o you had better watch out now...


    :lol:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... =teabagger

    one who carries large bags of packaged tea for shipment-Teabagger?

    Apparently it has other meanings also, :lol:
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Cosmo wrote:
    Tea-Bagger.

    REPORTED. :lol:
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    So can we say just about everyone is a bigot, hater, racist or some kind phobic. We should scrap those words. We are all “every day people”


    I'll tell you what...

    you give me every right that you have, you give my marriage the same legal standing as yours, you allow me to adopt children, you allow me to not get evicted from my house for being gay, not get fired from my job for being gay and not be tied to a fence and beaten to death for being gay...

    you make me equal to you... and in return I'll never bring it up again. And then I will agree we're all "every day people."

    Until then, I'm so sorry if my standing up for myself and fighting for my rights and demanding a bit of respect upsets you so.

    Try prune juice.

    :clap:
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    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Tea-Bagger.

    REPORTED. :lol:
    no one likes a snitch.....

    ;)
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    edited August 2011
    Prince Of Dorkness [aerial"]So can we say just about everyone is a bigot, hater, racist or some kind phobic. We should scrap those words. We are all “every day people

    I'll tell you what...

    you give me every right that you have, you give my marriage the same legal standing as yours,You can get married in some states you allow me to adopt children Why can't you adopt?[/color] you allow me to not get evicted from my house for being gay I am pretty sure that would be illegal, not get fired from my job for being gay also illegal and not be tied to a fence and beaten to death for being gay When were you tied to a fence and beaten[/color]?..You act as if only gays are miss treated in this world.... I would think being in the porn bussiness affects your life more than being gay..... make me equal to you... and in return I'll never bring it up again. And then I will agree we're all "every day people." ...as far as I am concerned you are equal to me..... :
    Until then, I'm so sorry if my standing up for myself and fighting for my rights and demanding a bit of respect upsets you so.

    Try prune juice........wtf:
    Try some sugar.............
    Post edited by aerial on
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    yes....we know...

    the only ones mistreated are the poor christians
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    aerial wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness [aerial"]So can we say just about everyone is a bigot, hater, racist or some kind phobic. We should scrap those words. We are all “every day people

    I'll tell you what...

    you give me every right that you have, you give my marriage the same legal standing as yours,You can get married in some states you allow me to adopt children Why can't you adopt?[/color] you allow me to not get evicted from my house for being gay I am pretty sure that would be illegal, not get fired from my job for being gay also illegal and not be tied to a fence and beaten to death for being gay When were you tied to a fence and beaten[/color]?..You act as if only gays are miss treated in this world.... I would think being in the porn bussiness affects your life more than being gay..... make me equal to you... and in return I'll never bring it up again. And then I will agree we're all "every day people." ...as far as I am concerned you are equal to me..... :
    Until then, I'm so sorry if my standing up for myself and fighting for my rights and demanding a bit of respect upsets you so.

    Try prune juice........wtf:
    Try some sugar.............

    You have special laws made just for you....if I get tied to a fence and beat to death the punishment would not be as harsh as it would if it was you tied up to a tree...killing me is just another person...killing you the murderer gets extra time because you are gay.....So in reality you have more respect and must be more important than I am...according to the law.....does that make you happy?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    aerial wrote:
    You have special laws made just for you....if I get tied to a fence and beat to death the punishment would not be as harsh as it would if it was you tied up to a tree...killing me is just another person...killing you the murderer gets extra time because you are gay.....So in reality you have more respect and must be more important than I am...according to the law.....does that make you happy?

    You really should stay clear of logical deductions Aerial, as they're clearly not your strong point.



    Bigotry and persecution are not things for anyone to be grateful for.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Byrnzie wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    You have special laws made just for you....if I get tied to a fence and beat to death the punishment would not be as harsh as it would if it was you tied up to a tree...killing me is just another person...killing you the murderer gets extra time because you are gay.....So in reality you have more respect and must be more important than I am...according to the law.....does that make you happy?

    You really should stay clear of logical deductions Aerial, as they're clearly not your strong point.



    Bigotry and persecution are not things for anyone to be grateful for.


    He wants special treatment he has it.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln

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