I think the only reason they are making them admit guilt is so they cant go and sue the state for being wrong for all these years :x
I think this might be right. They strike up a plea deal to get them out of jail, while at the same time, it's really about the guys not ever being able to sue the state... I think getting them to admit wrongdoing takes focus off what it's really about. And they're not going to release that to the media.
Obviously the defendants' attorneys agreed to their clients admitting guilt... because that's probably not what's it really all about now. It seems like it's just for show, in exchange for something else.
I never would have believed it....
All 3 of them openly give a guilty plea.....And are set free.....
I think the only reason they are making them admit guilt is so they cant go and sue the state for being wrong for all these years :x
I think this might be right. They strike up a plea deal to get them out of jail, while at the same time, it's really about the guys not ever being able to sue the state... I think getting them to admit wrongdoing takes focus off what it's really about. And they're not going to release that to the media.
Obviously the defendants' attorneys agreed to their clients admitting guilt... because that's probably not what's it really all about now. It seems like it's just for show, in exchange for something else.
I never would have believed it....
All 3 of them openly give a guilty plea.....And are set free.....
I saw on the news last night that the guilty plea was forced in order to be free AND to never sue the state. So that's all it's about, really. The state really failed and it's their way of making it seem they weren't in the wrong...
And watching that video above from 3:00 on, it's obvious there's something stinky going on with prosecutors and refusal to re-open the case with new evidence.
I saw on the news last night that the guilty plea was forced in order to be free AND to never sue the state. So that's all it's about, really. The state really failed and it's their way of making it seem they weren't in the wrong...
And watching that video above from 3:00 on, it's obvious there's something stinky going on with prosecutors and refusal to re-open the case with new evidence.
Damien Echols walked in to a court room and entered a GUILTY plea to 1st degree murder.
Mind Boggling!!!!
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
so let me understand this..guys went free..cool..atleast they will not spent more time in jail for something didnt do...but they say guilty.understand..that was the deal....that doeant mean automatically that the state will not search for the real killers????right???cos we have someone said is guilty..we put them in 18 years..now there are free to go..
but who killed the boys?who will search for that?..what a pitty...
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I saw on the news last night that the guilty plea was forced in order to be free AND to never sue the state. So that's all it's about, really. The state really failed and it's their way of making it seem they weren't in the wrong...
And watching that video above from 3:00 on, it's obvious there's something stinky going on with prosecutors and refusal to re-open the case with new evidence.
Damien Echols walked in to a court room and entered a GUILTY plea to 1st degree murder.
Mind Boggling!!!!
But, as you know, they didn't really admit any guilt. They basically said, "We're innocent, but we acknowledge that the state may never believe (officially) believe us." It wasn't a regular, straight-up guilty plea.
But, as you know, they didn't really admit any guilt. They basically said, "We're innocent, but we acknowledge that the state may never believe (officially) believe us." It wasn't a regular, straight-up guilty plea.
Every single website I have visited, every single article I have read, states the fact that Damien Echols plead guilty to 1st degree murder.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Every single article I have read. Every single news story I have watched in the last 24 hours, says the same thing......
Baldwin and Echols each pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder. Misskelley pleaded guilty to one count of first-degree murder and two counts of second-degree murder. The Alford plea allows the men to maintain their claims of innocence.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Every single article I have read. Every single news story I have watched in the last 24 hours, says the same thing......
Baldwin and Echols each pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder. Misskelley pleaded guilty to one count of first-degree murder and two counts of second-degree murder. The Alford plea allows the men to maintain their claims of innocence.
It's really only legal speak though. If they truly are now admitting the crime, with no deal behind it, do you really think they'd be let free right now? It's confusing to the public, because that's all we're seeing. But there's more going on that's not public. And that's all about the new evidence, preventing the 3 from suing the state, and the state's public reputation...
But, as you know, they didn't really admit any guilt. They basically said, "We're innocent, but we acknowledge that the state may never believe (officially) believe us." It wasn't a regular, straight-up guilty plea.
Every single website I have visited, every single article I have read, states the fact that Damien Echols plead guilty to 1st degree murder.
"_" is right. Don't take what you see on the media word for word. Cause the legal system is much more complicated...
And besides, don't believe everything you see and hear anyway.
Every single article I have read. Every single news story I have watched in the last 24 hours, says the same thing......
Baldwin and Echols each pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder. Misskelley pleaded guilty to one count of first-degree murder and two counts of second-degree murder. The Alford plea allows the men to maintain their claims of innocence.
Exactly. They entered a guilty plea BUT DID NOT ADMIT GUILT.
But, as you know, they didn't really admit any guilt. They basically said, "We're innocent, but we acknowledge that the state may never believe (officially) believe us." It wasn't a regular, straight-up guilty plea.
Every single website I have visited, every single article I have read, states the fact that Damien Echols plead guilty to 1st degree murder.
Just go directly to the source: The video of the court proceeding & the news conferences.
I know that its no where near the same.
but an Australian Held at guantanimo and charged with supporting terrorism basically hasd to do the same thing to gain freedom
admit guilt so he could go free
sad sad times when people have to do this so that politicians/ public officials can walk away clean
I know that its no where near the same.
but an Australian Held at guantanimo and charged with supporting terrorism basically hasd to do the same thing to gain freedom
admit guilt so he could go free
sad sad times when people have to do this so that politicians/ public officials can walk away clean
it's sickening, ya know, we should be better then this at this point in time.
AP Exclusive: Ex-death row inmate sees iPhone, hangs with celebrities on first night free
MEMPHIS, Tenn. - Most inmates count down the weeks or months to freedom.
For death row inmate Damien Echols, it came almost out of the blue when his long fight for exoneration in the murders of three Arkansas Cub Scouts produced a whirlwind deal.
Echols and two other men, known as the West Memphis Three, pleaded guilty Friday to lesser murder charges in exchange for time served.
Now, he's learning to live outside prison for the first time in 18 years. He said Saturday he spent much of the night before learning to use an iPhone. He also celebrated with supporters, including Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder and the Dixie Chicks' Natalie Maines.
While Echols is free, supporters say they'll continue to look for the boys' killers and try to clear his name.
already sucked into the iphone...? hehehe, good times, An entire world to see.
I'm sure he will find the way towards android open source, :ugeek:
There were some interesting comments made at the press conference by Damien and his lawyer.
-The prosecution would have NEVER accepted the plea if the state thought they were 100% guilty.
-There was supposed to be a hearing in December re: new trials.
-The state didn't think they could have another trial and get a guilty verdict, that's why they accepted the plea.
The thing that leaves me scratching my head is this... why didn't they wait it out? Couldn't they have waited to see about new trials or would it be too late to plea?
There were some interesting comments made at the press conference by Damien and his lawyer.
-The prosecution would have NEVER accepted the plea if the state thought they were 100% guilty.
-There was supposed to be a hearing in December re: new trials.
-The state didn't think they could have another trial and get a guilty verdict, that's why they accepted the plea.
The thing that leaves me scratching my head is this... why didn't they wait it out? Couldn't they have waited to see about new trials or would it be too late to plea?
Even the state prosecutor said in his press conference that it was very likely they would be acquitted if things proceeded & they got a new trial! But he listed this as one reason he accepted the plea. So I'm sure if the December hearing failed to grant a new trial, or if the trial failed to acquit them, there's no way the state would still be willing to bargain.
I probably wouldn't gamble with my life & the life of my friend even if there's a good chance of winning. These guys know firsthand to not have faith in the criminal justice system. I think if you've been trying to get out of prison for 18 years & someone agrees to let you out (& may never agree again), you go!
Plus, the state Supreme Court ruled last November that they should get an evidentiary hearing, but it wasn't scheduled until this December. The wheels of justice move so slowly that it could have been 2, 3, 5 more years before they got out. Damien was in solitary confinement and, according to Jason (explaining at the press conference why he took the deal for his friend), they tortured him every day in there. Now thankfully I've never been tortured, but if I were ever faced with torture or the threat of torture I think I'd want it to stop immediately.
The thing that leaves me scratching my head is this... why didn't they wait it out? Couldn't they have waited to see about new trials or would it be too late to plea?
It would be easy for us to sit here in the free world and say they could "wait it out", and it sounds all well and good, unless you're waiting it out, IN PRISON. I'd do whatever I had to do to get out as soon as possible, and worry about setting the record straight and so forth later. I would imagine 4-5 months in prison doesn't pass by too quickly, and after all those years behind bars I'm sure they were even more anxious to get out. I would have admitted to assassinating Abraham Lincoln if it would get me out THAT day.
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All 3 of them openly give a guilty plea.....And are set free.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gVaPGQVYJ8
A strange way to end a strange case.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I saw on the news last night that the guilty plea was forced in order to be free AND to never sue the state. So that's all it's about, really. The state really failed and it's their way of making it seem they weren't in the wrong...
And watching that video above from 3:00 on, it's obvious there's something stinky going on with prosecutors and refusal to re-open the case with new evidence.
Mind Boggling!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
but who killed the boys?who will search for that?..what a pitty...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
But, as you know, they didn't really admit any guilt. They basically said, "We're innocent, but we acknowledge that the state may never believe (officially) believe us." It wasn't a regular, straight-up guilty plea.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Baldwin and Echols each pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder. Misskelley pleaded guilty to one count of first-degree murder and two counts of second-degree murder. The Alford plea allows the men to maintain their claims of innocence.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
It's really only legal speak though. If they truly are now admitting the crime, with no deal behind it, do you really think they'd be let free right now? It's confusing to the public, because that's all we're seeing. But there's more going on that's not public. And that's all about the new evidence, preventing the 3 from suing the state, and the state's public reputation...
"_" is right. Don't take what you see on the media word for word. Cause the legal system is much more complicated...
And besides, don't believe everything you see and hear anyway.
Just go directly to the source: The video of the court proceeding & the news conferences.
but an Australian Held at guantanimo and charged with supporting terrorism basically hasd to do the same thing to gain freedom
admit guilt so he could go free
sad sad times when people have to do this so that politicians/ public officials can walk away clean
it's sickening, ya know, we should be better then this at this point in time.
AP Exclusive: Ex-death row inmate sees iPhone, hangs with celebrities on first night free
MEMPHIS, Tenn. - Most inmates count down the weeks or months to freedom.
For death row inmate Damien Echols, it came almost out of the blue when his long fight for exoneration in the murders of three Arkansas Cub Scouts produced a whirlwind deal.
Echols and two other men, known as the West Memphis Three, pleaded guilty Friday to lesser murder charges in exchange for time served.
Now, he's learning to live outside prison for the first time in 18 years. He said Saturday he spent much of the night before learning to use an iPhone. He also celebrated with supporters, including Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder and the Dixie Chicks' Natalie Maines.
While Echols is free, supporters say they'll continue to look for the boys' killers and try to clear his name.
already sucked into the iphone...? hehehe, good times, An entire world to see.
I'm sure he will find the way towards android open source, :ugeek:
(Gotta love the AP EXCLUSIVE headline)
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/3-men-convicte ... 58569.html
-The prosecution would have NEVER accepted the plea if the state thought they were 100% guilty.
-There was supposed to be a hearing in December re: new trials.
-The state didn't think they could have another trial and get a guilty verdict, that's why they accepted the plea.
The thing that leaves me scratching my head is this... why didn't they wait it out? Couldn't they have waited to see about new trials or would it be too late to plea?
Even the state prosecutor said in his press conference that it was very likely they would be acquitted if things proceeded & they got a new trial! But he listed this as one reason he accepted the plea. So I'm sure if the December hearing failed to grant a new trial, or if the trial failed to acquit them, there's no way the state would still be willing to bargain.
I probably wouldn't gamble with my life & the life of my friend even if there's a good chance of winning. These guys know firsthand to not have faith in the criminal justice system. I think if you've been trying to get out of prison for 18 years & someone agrees to let you out (& may never agree again), you go!
Plus, the state Supreme Court ruled last November that they should get an evidentiary hearing, but it wasn't scheduled until this December. The wheels of justice move so slowly that it could have been 2, 3, 5 more years before they got out. Damien was in solitary confinement and, according to Jason (explaining at the press conference why he took the deal for his friend), they tortured him every day in there. Now thankfully I've never been tortured, but if I were ever faced with torture or the threat of torture I think I'd want it to stop immediately.
It would be easy for us to sit here in the free world and say they could "wait it out", and it sounds all well and good, unless you're waiting it out, IN PRISON. I'd do whatever I had to do to get out as soon as possible, and worry about setting the record straight and so forth later. I would imagine 4-5 months in prison doesn't pass by too quickly, and after all those years behind bars I'm sure they were even more anxious to get out. I would have admitted to assassinating Abraham Lincoln if it would get me out THAT day.