The tea party is not responsible for this mess

brandon10

That last post was good Mike..I agree with you about healthcare. What you ended up with was basically The GOP plan for healthcare. The reason you didn't get any real change, or trying something like universal healthcare is because of rightwingers and the tea people. And even more so because of $$$$. The healthcare companies are so entrenched in the govt.( both Dems and Cons ) that it will take some radical change to eliminate them. But these poor tea people buy into all the bull shit propaganda coming from the right and the healthcare companies. It's just sad.

brandon10

polaris_x wrote:

Parachute wrote:

58% of Democratic senators voted to go to war in Iraq.

I guess they are a "shitstain" on America too.

definitely

Absolutely

brandon10

inlet13 wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Please explain something to me... anyone...

Did the Tea Party spend any government money? If so, how did they spend it? Also, explain to me this, did the Tea Party lower taxes? If so, how did they do that?

I'll wait for a real answer to these questions.

Did the tea party spend Govt. money??? The answer is a huge yes. Because we all know that the majority of tea people supported both wars. Especially the Iraq war. And that is a fuckload of government money being spent. The tea parties are a massive joke. A shitstain on America. You aren't fooling anyone.

I'll give you credit. At least you tried to answer the question, instead of trying to alter the debate into some game of did you ever use a public good.

The Tea Party, which could be considered a libertarian movement, basically moved into the political forefront in 2009. To say they were the movement behind the wars is silly. Not only is it silly because it goes against libertarian viewpoints, but it's silly because it's not fundamentally possible (they've only been governing since 09 and the wars began much, much earlier).

So, once again, I'll put out the question (and change the word to appease those trying to look at use of public goods)...

How have elected Tea Party representatives spent government money?

The answer is.... they haven't. Therefore, they are not to blame for debt problem.

We all know that the majority of tea people are just rightwing republicans. And we all know that they support those wars. Just look at your figure heads like Bachmann and Palin. They are all for those wars. So like I said earlier. You aren't fooling anyone. The tea party has contributed to the worst spending of all. The spending that is killing thousands of people needlessly.

If the teaparty was to come out tomorrow and say we can't afford these needless wars, bring all the troops home now. Then I may start to give them some sort of credit for actually caring about our deficit. But we all know thats never going to happen.

mikepegg44

brandon10 wrote:

That last post was good Mike..I agree with you about healthcare. What you ended up with was basically The GOP plan for healthcare. The reason you didn't get any real change, or trying something like universal healthcare is because of rightwingers and the tea people. And even more so because of $$$$. The healthcare companies are so entrenched in the govt.( both Dems and Cons ) that it will take some radical change to eliminate them. But these poor tea people buy into all the bull shit propaganda coming from the right and the healthcare companies. It's just sad.

thanks, but the democrats had a super majority they could have passed whatever they wanted. They wrote the bill, not republicans. Actually now that I think about it, the democrats didn't even write the bill, most hadn't read it when they voted for it. They could have fought for universal health care and won...Democrats passed the bill, not republicans. and with 60 in the senate they should have been able to do what they wanted. The house was theirs too...if they made their case well they could have done just about anything they wanted. To blame tea party supporters for this is kind of short sided. It really gives them credit for something they didn't do.
We didn't end up with the GOP plan for healthcare at all...if that was the case they wouldn't attack it left right and center...What we ended up with was a political calculation that failed to make any meaningful change that I or anyone else could or should believe in.
but we can agree to disagree.

Groucho Marx said it best

"The last man nearly ruined this place
He didn`t know what to do with it
If you think this country`s bad off now,
Just wait `til I get through with it"


Pretty much sums up the situation we are in. LOL I guess 1933 was WAY to early for such a brilliant man.

brandon10

mikepegg44 wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

That last post was good Mike..I agree with you about healthcare. What you ended up with was basically The GOP plan for healthcare. The reason you didn't get any real change, or trying something like universal healthcare is because of rightwingers and the tea people. And even more so because of $$$$. The healthcare companies are so entrenched in the govt.( both Dems and Cons ) that it will take some radical change to eliminate them. But these poor tea people buy into all the bull shit propaganda coming from the right and the healthcare companies. It's just sad.

thanks, but the democrats had a super majority they could have passed whatever they wanted. They wrote the bill, not republicans. Actually now that I think about it, the democrats didn't even write the bill, most hadn't read it when they voted for it. They could have fought for universal health care and won...Democrats passed the bill, not republicans. and with 60 in the senate they should have been able to do what they wanted. The house was theirs too...if they made their case well they could have done just about anything they wanted. To blame tea party supporters for this is kind of short sided. It really gives them credit for something they didn't do.
We didn't end up with the GOP plan for healthcare at all...if that was the case they wouldn't attack it left right and center...What we ended up with was a political calculation that failed to make any meaningful change that I or anyone else could or should believe in.
but we can agree to disagree.

Groucho Marx said it best

"The last man nearly ruined this place
He didn`t know what to do with it
If you think this country`s bad off now,
Just wait `til I get through with it"


Pretty much sums up the situation we are in. LOL I guess 1933 was WAY to early for such a brilliant man.

You are right, the Dems were complete weaklings. They always have been. Too afraid to push any real change. There are a lot of dems in the pockets of insurance companies also.

But it's also the populace that believes all the propaganda pushed by these companies that scares govt officials from pushing any real reform. They don't get all the blame. But when you have an uneducated, fear mongering, believe anything they hear populace, it tends to slow down progressive change. And that is all the Tea people are.

mikepegg44

brandon10 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

That last post was good Mike..I agree with you about healthcare. What you ended up with was basically The GOP plan for healthcare. The reason you didn't get any real change, or trying something like universal healthcare is because of rightwingers and the tea people. And even more so because of $$$$. The healthcare companies are so entrenched in the govt.( both Dems and Cons ) that it will take some radical change to eliminate them. But these poor tea people buy into all the bull shit propaganda coming from the right and the healthcare companies. It's just sad.

thanks, but the democrats had a super majority they could have passed whatever they wanted. They wrote the bill, not republicans. Actually now that I think about it, the democrats didn't even write the bill, most hadn't read it when they voted for it. They could have fought for universal health care and won...Democrats passed the bill, not republicans. and with 60 in the senate they should have been able to do what they wanted. The house was theirs too...if they made their case well they could have done just about anything they wanted. To blame tea party supporters for this is kind of short sided. It really gives them credit for something they didn't do.
We didn't end up with the GOP plan for healthcare at all...if that was the case they wouldn't attack it left right and center...What we ended up with was a political calculation that failed to make any meaningful change that I or anyone else could or should believe in.
but we can agree to disagree.

Groucho Marx said it best

"The last man nearly ruined this place
He didn`t know what to do with it
If you think this country`s bad off now,
Just wait `til I get through with it"


Pretty much sums up the situation we are in. LOL I guess 1933 was WAY to early for such a brilliant man.

You are right, the Dems were complete weaklings. They always have been. Too afraid to push any real change. There are a lot of dems in the pockets of insurance companies also.

But it's also the populace that believes all the propaganda pushed by these companies that scares govt officials from pushing any real reform. They don't get all the blame. But when you have an uneducated, fear mongering, believe anything they hear populace, it tends to slow down progressive change. And that is all the Tea people are.

but that is where you are wrong...sure there are some, but I would bet to a person most are actually pretty reasonable. Progressive change isn't an agreed upon thing however...i think it would be far better for the country to actually try to limit the size of the federal government and make state and local governments responsible for far more than they are now...
I tend to think of the federal government as Master Blaster...There is a small minority of people (master) that are controlling a much larger portion (blaster), that analogy might work for the opinion that the main public are retarded(blaster) as well...so we can all agree then...our federal government is like master blaster from Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome. A little man desperate to throw their power and influence all over, and a big retarded base that allows them to do whatever they want...