****Official Metallica thread****

tempo_n_groove

So my view on Napster. 
The reason you have Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and whatever the hell else u use to stream is because of them.  So THANK Metallica for that.

Also remember at the time bands made a ton on music sales. 

This was also the beginning of bands getting huge deals and most bands weren't getting anything like the deals that Madonna and U2 made.  You can also thank Napster for your high priced concert tix too.

What I was upset with was the ability to download any song from the site.  I searched PJ and found a ton of songs I'd never heard before like Won't Back Down for example.  Also songs that were long lost by other bands and out of print.  It was GREAT to get these.

Well, now we have Youtube and you can find almost anything and everything unless the band is a dickhead and takes it down.

mrussel1

hrd2imgn said:

Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.

Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  

Thierry Henry

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

eeriepadave said:

Tonight's one should be kinda cool. Salt Lake City Jan. '97

Greatest era.

WHERES YOUR CROWN
KING NOTHII-IIING

Is it only me, or is James vocals a bit low in the mix (only heard the first two songs).

Justice tour 

No Until it Sleeps on that tour. 

So, wrong.

Zzzz... 

No jingoist Black songs on the Justice tour

The loss of that tour to not get to hear DO YOU LIKE HEAVY?! METALLICA GIVES YOU HEAVY BABEEEEY!!

😆

Spiritual_Chaos

Melbourne 2013 tonight.

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.

Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  

I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.

Ledbetterman10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.

Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  

I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.

Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.

Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  

I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.

Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 

Yes! Exactly!

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.

Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  

I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.

Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 

I figured it was something like this. Him going after regular folks first. 

At the same time, from their perspective - why would a fan download stuff that has been stolen and leaked from them. Is that really a fan. Etc.

now I'm gonna listen to that Limp Bizkit MI2 song. 

Ledbetterman10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.

Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  

I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.

Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 

I figured it was something like this. Him going after regular folks first. 

At the same time, from their perspective - why would a fan download stuff that has been stolen and leaked from them. Is that really a fan. Etc.

now I'm gonna listen to that Limp Bizkit MI2 song. 

Yeah that's fair. I think what also ruffled their feathers was I Disappear wasn't even finished yet, and the rough mix was somehow leaked and available on Napster. That sort of thing would piss off any artist.

Side note, anyone else think the main riff from "I Disappear" sounds a lot like "Just A Girl" by PJ? That was my first thought when listening to the rough mix on Napster.

As for you being in Mission Impossible 2 Soundtrack mode now, I love the remix of Chris Cornell's "Mission" on that soundtrack. It was remixed as "Mission 2000." I've read that Chris hated the remix, but I love it. Movie soundtracks were awesome back in the day.

eeriepadave

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Melbourne 2013 tonight.

gonna pass on this one as well

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.

Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  

I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.

Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 

I figured it was something like this. Him going after regular folks first. 

At the same time, from their perspective - why would a fan download stuff that has been stolen and leaked from them. Is that really a fan. Etc.

now I'm gonna listen to that Limp Bizkit MI2 song. 

Yeah that's fair. I think what also ruffled their feathers was I Disappear wasn't even finished yet, and the rough mix was somehow leaked and available on Napster. That sort of thing would piss off any artist.

Side note, anyone else think the main riff from "I Disappear" sounds a lot like "Just A Girl" by PJ? That was my first thought when listening to the rough mix on Napster.

As for you being in Mission Impossible 2 Soundtrack mode now, I love the remix of Chris Cornell's "Mission" on that soundtrack. It was remixed as "Mission 2000." I've read that Chris hated the remix, but I love it. Movie soundtracks were awesome back in the day.

OH, never heard that one. 

I just remember from the MTV days, that when the Metallica song came on feeling "Oh... this one really falls in the shadow of the Limp Bizkit song that is a huge hit". But using the MI theme will do that I guess.

Ledbetterman10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.

Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  

I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.

Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 

I figured it was something like this. Him going after regular folks first. 

At the same time, from their perspective - why would a fan download stuff that has been stolen and leaked from them. Is that really a fan. Etc.

now I'm gonna listen to that Limp Bizkit MI2 song. 

Yeah that's fair. I think what also ruffled their feathers was I Disappear wasn't even finished yet, and the rough mix was somehow leaked and available on Napster. That sort of thing would piss off any artist.

Side note, anyone else think the main riff from "I Disappear" sounds a lot like "Just A Girl" by PJ? That was my first thought when listening to the rough mix on Napster.

As for you being in Mission Impossible 2 Soundtrack mode now, I love the remix of Chris Cornell's "Mission" on that soundtrack. It was remixed as "Mission 2000." I've read that Chris hated the remix, but I love it. Movie soundtracks were awesome back in the day.

OH, never heard that one. 

I just remember from the MTV days, that when the Metallica song came on feeling "Oh... this one really falls in the shadow of the Limp Bizkit song that is a huge hit". But using the MI theme will do that I guess.

Check it out. It's pretty cool. I prefer it to the Euphoria Morning version. But like I said, Chris didn't....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqSz16Wgs_0

Spiritual_Chaos

Metallica: Live in Bogotá, Colombia - May 2, 1999 (Full Concert)

eeriepadave

eeriepadave

S&M 2 trailer premiers tomorrow at 9AM

eeriepadave

eeriepadave said:

S&M 2 trailer premiers tomorrow at 9AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRCLe6_kBRc

Spiritual_Chaos

S&M2 looks and feel as having as much heart and energy put into it as Superman IV: Quest for Peace. 

And as forgettable as The Hobbit trilogy

Don’t see the point ot it. 

They should have recorded in a cool looking classy place. They should have played a Unforgiven suite and Lars should not wear a fucking ball cap. 

eeriepadave

Spiritual_Chaos said:

S&M2 looks and feel as having as much heart and energy put into it as Superman IV: Quest for Peace. 

And as forgettable as The Hobbit trilogy

Don’t see the point ot it. 

They should have recorded in a cool looking classy place. They should have played a Unforgiven suite and Lars should not wear a fucking ball cap. 

and how do you really feel?

Berlin '06 tonight. Looking at the setlist, pretty solid. Played Master of Puppets in it's entirety 

NSL

Spiritual_Chaos said:

S&M2 looks and feel as having as much heart and energy put into it as Superman IV: Quest for Peace. 

And as forgettable as The Hobbit trilogy

Don’t see the point ot it. 

They should have recorded in a cool looking classy place. They should have played a Unforgiven suite and Lars should not wear a fucking ball cap. 

Sorry you feel that way.  I went to the first night and it was definitely one of my favorite concerts i've ever attended.  

eeriepadave

eeriepadave said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

S&M2 looks and feel as having as much heart and energy put into it as Superman IV: Quest for Peace. 

And as forgettable as The Hobbit trilogy

Don’t see the point ot it. 

They should have recorded in a cool looking classy place. They should have played a Unforgiven suite and Lars should not wear a fucking ball cap. 

and how do you really feel?

Berlin '06 tonight. Looking at the setlist, pretty solid. Played Master of Puppets in it's entirety 

The Berlin show was pretty great I must say.  Besides playing Master in it's entirety, They actually did a new song that they called "The New Song" which was pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCAkKe_YhI