WHY!? dont people like riot act?

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh

Brendan gets the best out of them in terms of recording and Riot Act is clearly not a Brendan album.Just listen to the vocals.They don't have that intensity.

chain

vedder89 wrote:

ive seen so many people on this forum bash riot act

i love this album and i think it deserves love from more fans.

i wish pj played more songs live from this album

Riot Act is good... but with all that reading here.... for that particular post... seems that everyone just skips "TEN"! Even if i love all their music... every single songs.... Ten is the most powerful album of PJ. And i say "album"... no other album in the world tops PJ's TEN

reedrothchild

Evacuation Rules wrote:

reedrothchild wrote:

i did only have to see get right once, but after multiple shows with cropduster, you are, and ghost the album wears on you.

You're right...it's much better to hear "Betterman" and "Corduroy" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

lol i really shouldn't even respond, but if you don''t like corduroy then I don't know what to tell you. betterman is a pee break song no doubt, but compared to cropduster it seems like a masterpiece. i mean im all for variety, but it variety means hearing shitty songs then i'd rather just hear a good song two shows in a row played well. but i guess if setlist bustouts are your primary concern then riot act songs are the way to go! personally i just like good playing with the occasional improv thrown in. I hope you get your help help opener brah!

Vedder_Girl77

I love Riot Act...I listen to it all the time...so many great songs on there...I never understood why it gets so much hate either...

Evacuation Rules

reedrothchild wrote:

betterman is a pee break song no doubt, but compared to cropduster it seems like a masterpiece. i mean im all for variety, but it variety means hearing shitty songs then i'd rather just hear a good song two shows in a row played well.

You're a fool. "Cropduster" is amazing song and a lot of people think so. Go listen to some Phish.

Cheo Ramirez

help help.

thats all dudes

dimitrispearljam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhKZKUrSimQ

Better Dan

dimitrispearljam wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhKZKUrSimQ

2nd worst song on the album. Sorry Dimitris...

reedrothchild

Evacuation Rules wrote:

reedrothchild wrote:

betterman is a pee break song no doubt, but compared to cropduster it seems like a masterpiece. i mean im all for variety, but it variety means hearing shitty songs then i'd rather just hear a good song two shows in a row played well.

You're a fool. "Cropduster" is amazing song and a lot of people think so. Go listen to some Phish.

was trying to have an on topic discussion, but if personal insults will make you feel better then by all means continue...

tremors

I always join this same discussion with a fresh optimism that it will turn out better than the last time - that Riot Act will get some love, there won't be too many posts that go "....because it sucks!", and people won't start abusing each other during the debate. Oh well! Until the next time!

The most positive album threads to join in with always seem to be Vs. Nobody hates Vs!

I do think it's time that Riot Act got some more respect around here - I believe it's worthy, so do many level headed PJ fans, and so do AllMusic and other credible music sites, just not this one! So, I'm gonna step out of this discussion and leave you with that little review to ponder.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/riot-act-r611292/review

In some ways, Riot Act is the album that Pearl Jam has been wanting to make since Vitalogy -- a muscular art rock record, one that still hits hard but that is filled with ragged edges and odd detours. Vitalogy found the band sketching out their ideas for their brand of artsy rock, separating bracing hard rock and experimentalism throughout that fascinating album, and since then they bounced between those two extremes: indulging themselves on No Code, over-compensating with the streamlined Yield. Here, they manage to seamlessly blend the two impulses together in a restless, passionate record that delivers musically and emotionally. If it doesn't announce itself as a comeback or a great step forward, it's because the changes are subtle -- it's a process of their post-Vitalogy sound finally gelling, not making an artistic breakthrough. Given the appealing but haphazard nature of their late-'90s work, it's quite satisfying to have a Pearl Jam album play as strongly as Riot Act, and again some credit must be given to drummer Matt Cameron. He enlivened 2000's Binaural, but his forceful drumming gives the weirder songs and ambitions support and urgency. Also, the production is the best in nearly a decade -- a warm, burnished sound filled with details that enhance the basic song instead of overwhelming them (in other words, it's not No Code, nor is it the Spartan Yield). Again, these are subtle shifts in sound, but they are notable and, given several plays, this does indeed seem like the richest record Pearl Jam has made in a long time.

SatansFuton

tremors wrote:

I always join this same discussion with a fresh optimism that it will turn out better than the last time - that Riot Act will get some love, there won't be too many posts that go "....because it sucks!", and people won't start abusing each other during the debate. Oh well! Until the next time!

The most positive album threads to join in with always seem to be Vs. Nobody hates Vs!

I do think it's time that Riot Act got some more respect around here - I believe it's worthy, so do many level headed PJ fans, and so do AllMusic and other credible music sites, just not this one! So, I'm gonna step out of this discussion and leave you with that little review to ponder.

I guess my question would be, why do you need others to feel the same way as you about Riot Act? You love it apparently, that should be enough. I personally don't hate it, but it's one of my least favorite PJ albums, but even my least favorite PJ album gets playtime and I like more than 80% of music out there. And in these threads I see more posts of agreement than disagreement, so I don't think it's a few Riot Act lovers against the world. And I don't think people not enjoying the album has to do with how "level headed" they are, art is subjective, if somebody doesn't enjoy an album it's not because they aren't being "level headed" or "don't get it" or any of the other apologies people make for this album.

As for the review, we were already discussing that previously, and I don't really understand how that person though Yield was "Spartan", or any PJ album for that matter. As for reviews in general, we discount them and preach about "who gives a shit about what some idiot who gets paid to write their opinion has to say" when we don't like them, I take them with the same grain of salt when they give a positive review. Just like everybody here, it's one person's opinion. And one I discredit right away because I don't think they know what "Spartan" means.

fox_mulderX

riot act could have been a masterpiece. songs like can't keep, i am mine, help help, get right, and you are all make me believe the band was on to something special. but then there's songs like save you, cropduster, lbc, ghost, green disease, and bushleager that ruin it.
people don't like it because it's not a great album, not because they "don't get it".. as many of the elitists like to claim. it's the album that could have been.

tremors

SatansFuton wrote:

tremors wrote:

I always join this same discussion with a fresh optimism that it will turn out better than the last time - that Riot Act will get some love, there won't be too many posts that go "....because it sucks!", and people won't start abusing each other during the debate. Oh well! Until the next time!

The most positive album threads to join in with always seem to be Vs. Nobody hates Vs!

I do think it's time that Riot Act got some more respect around here - I believe it's worthy, so do many level headed PJ fans, and so do AllMusic and other credible music sites, just not this one! So, I'm gonna step out of this discussion and leave you with that little review to ponder.

I guess my question would be, why do you need others to feel the same way as you about Riot Act? You love it apparently, that should be enough. I personally don't hate it, but it's one of my least favorite PJ albums, but even my least favorite PJ album gets playtime and I like more than 80% of music out there. And in these threads I see more posts of agreement than disagreement, so I don't think it's a few Riot Act lovers against the world. And I don't think people not enjoying the album has to do with how "level headed" they are, art is subjective, if somebody doesn't enjoy an album it's not because they aren't being "level headed" or "don't get it" or any of the other apologies people make for this album.

As for the review, we were already discussing that previously, and I don't really understand how that person though Yield was "Spartan", or any PJ album for that matter. As for reviews in general, we discount them and preach about "who gives a shit about what some idiot who gets paid to write their opinion has to say" when we don't like them, I take them with the same grain of salt when they give a positive review. Just like everybody here, it's one person's opinion. And one I discredit right away because I don't think they know what "Spartan" means.

Really what I meant by 'level headed' was that sometimes when you try and defend Riot Act to people who don't like it, they think you're a bit insane. All I really meant was I don't think it's insane to love Riot Act - which was the point of posting that review - just saying that there are people in the world who value Riot Act, in the wider world of music.

I do feel though that overall Riot Act comes in for some shit which is not given to other albums. If I see a thread about Binaural, with people saying how much they like it, I am mostly likely to just leave them to it - I have no interest in going out of my way to say why I don't like it too much. This thread is a bit different because it's not a "let's show some love for riot act" thread - but this kind of thread is the only way we talk about Riot Act here I think - because many other "love riot act" threads have attracted quite a group of people putting it down.

The reason that I think it's unfair is that this doesn't happen with any other album.

SatansFuton

I think other albums get a fair share of grief. I even see Ten getting grief sometimes due to the guitar effects on it. And Yield and No Code fans have gotten some grief (including in this thread) as it has been put out there that we only like it because "it is the cool thing to say" as opposed to being an honest opinion. Pearl Jam gets a fair share of grief. But I think no album (including Riot Act) gets nearly as much bad publicity as Backspacer does. People call it Backscratcher, Bullshitter, Ballsacker, etc. I've yet to see (although it may have been done) anybody coming up with nicknames for Riot Act like Riot Crap or anything like that. All albums have their fans and detractors.

tremors

SatansFuton wrote:

I think other albums get a fair share of grief. I even see Ten getting grief sometimes due to the guitar effects on it. And Yield and No Code fans have gotten some grief (including in this thread) as it has been put out there that we only like it because "it is the cool thing to say" as opposed to being an honest opinion. Pearl Jam gets a fair share of grief. But I think no album (including Riot Act) gets nearly as much bad publicity as Backspacer does. People call it Backscratcher, Bullshitter, Ballsacker, etc. I've yet to see (although it may have been done) anybody coming up with nicknames for Riot Act like Riot Crap or anything like that. All albums have their fans and detractors.

Yes, when you put it like that I can see you are quite right. (I'm not being sarcastic!)

Maybe it's a myth that this board as a whole doesn't like Riot Act compared to other albums...... that's just kind of an impression I've had for a long time, and also maybe the impression of the OP.

You are probably right though - I can certainly remember reading all of the criticisms you mention, of other albums.

IgotshitID

Riot act is one of my favorates!

SatansFuton

tremors wrote:

SatansFuton wrote:

I think other albums get a fair share of grief. I even see Ten getting grief sometimes due to the guitar effects on it. And Yield and No Code fans have gotten some grief (including in this thread) as it has been put out there that we only like it because "it is the cool thing to say" as opposed to being an honest opinion. Pearl Jam gets a fair share of grief. But I think no album (including Riot Act) gets nearly as much bad publicity as Backspacer does. People call it Backscratcher, Bullshitter, Ballsacker, etc. I've yet to see (although it may have been done) anybody coming up with nicknames for Riot Act like Riot Crap or anything like that. All albums have their fans and detractors.

Yes, when you put it like that I can see you are quite right. (I'm not being sarcastic!)

Maybe it's a myth that this board as a whole doesn't like Riot Act compared to other albums...... that's just kind of an impression I've had for a long time, and also maybe the impression of the OP.

You are probably right though - I can certainly remember reading all of the criticisms you mention, of other albums.

I don't know if it's a "myth" but I think those that like Riot Act do seem to be more vocal about defending it than any other album. I think fans are more sharply divided over Backspacer, where as Riot Act just doesn't get as much attention, be it love or hate. Riot Act doesn't get as much discussion as Backspacer in either the love or hate department, because I think there are a large number of fans who are just flat out indifferent to it. I think for some people it would almost be better if more people did just absolutely hate it, because at least it would be discussed more often as opposed to being just overlooked by many.

I think the tone of these Riot Act threads has more to do with the types of replies you see. As opposed to an appreciation thread, or a hate thread, most of the Riot Act threads are started by a fan, and challenging those that aren't fans to defend their stance. And so they do. Just like this thread, it's not called "I Love Riot Act", it's called "WHY!? dont people like riot act?". But looking back over the posts there are MANY posts of praise, so I don't think it's as universally despised as some people think. But I do think that "myth" does sort of exist in Riot Act fans minds, but I think it's more of a wanting to be one of the "few" who appreciate this album, and I don't think that club is nearly as exclusive as some seem to think.

And I think the Riot Act discussion usually gets so heated because there seems to be a tradition of accusing those that don't like it of not "getting it", it's certainly not confined to this album (I saw the same thing in the recent Ole discussions) but it does seem to always come up in the Riot Act debate. I'm glad people like it though, I wish I loved it as much as some of the people here.

tremors

I think you are mostly right Satansfuton - but I think the reason there is this idea in the Riot Act fans' minds that Riot Act is not appreciated might well go back to the reception it had on these boards in the years until Avocado came out - I think there was quite a consensus, that this was their worst album to date. A bit like there seems to be a bit of a consensus growing that Backspacer is their worst album to date (a consensus which I am not a part of). I guess it's impossible to say for certain whether there really are these consensuses - because I see a lot of people still saying they enjoy Backspacer, and yes, there are a lot of people in this thread saying that they love Riot Act - (my impression is a lot more than usual).

I don't know really - I sometimes get 'impressions' about a board consensus on a topic, but it's not very scientific - more just reading the same comment stated by many different posters (eg "Backspacer is Pearl Jam's worst album....")

SatansFuton

tremors wrote:

I think you are mostly right Satansfuton - but I think the reason there is this idea in the Riot Act fans' minds that Riot Act is not appreciated might well go back to the reception it had on these boards in the years until Avocado came out - I think there was quite a consensus, that this was their worst album to date. A bit like there seems to be a bit of a consensus growing that Backspacer is their worst album to date (a consensus which I am not a part of). I guess it's impossible to say for certain whether there really are these consensuses - because I see a lot of people still saying they enjoy Backspacer, and yes, there are a lot of people in this thread saying that they love Riot Act - (my impression is a lot more than usual).

I don't know really - I sometimes get 'impressions' about a board consensus on a topic, but it's not very scientific - more just reading the same comment stated by many different posters (eg "Backspacer is Pearl Jam's worst album....")

I don't really remember what the consensus was on the boards back then, all I remember was the Free Republic hijacking the forums, people arguing about the war, people bickering over their city/country getting a better show than your city/country, and so forth. I don't really remember what people were saying about Riot Act, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was negative. I just remember it being a very poisonous time on the boards and I actually left near the end of the tour and didn't come back for about 7 years. There was so much negativity. I remember I was in a thread discussing some FPS video game and people started jumping all over us saying that people like us create this gun culture that leads to wars and shit. :roll:

One thing I've noticed on the internet though with a lot of bands is that the latest album is always their worst. Then when the next album comes out those same people will say it is the worst, and over time have a nostalgic love for the album they once hated. Not everybody though, as some people still have a luke-warm (at best) feeling towards Riot Act, Pearl Jam, etc.

tremors

SatansFuton wrote:

One thing I've noticed on the internet though with a lot of bands is that the latest album is always their worst. Then when the next album comes out those same people will say it is the worst, and over time have a nostalgic love for the album they once hated.

very true!