degenerate gambling football league-season 2

davidtrios

the check from des plaines was mine.

ed243421

to wrap a few things up -


from the vote

half points will be added to each line i get from covers.com that does not already have a half point

the half point will be given to the underdog

1st and 2nd place will be paid

numbers will be official when we find out who pays in

paid so far-

horos-40
f me-40
davidtrios-20
vermont21-20
ponce-40

get payment in so we can know what we are playin for

for the rookies

i will post my picks on the thread before kickoffs

and as we talked about last year

i may consider pm'ing my picks to a different random person each week later in the season

davidtrios

did i have this right that the other 20 will be collected at the end of the yr? did some pay early im guessing?

ed243421

Davidtrios wrote:

did i have this right that the other 20 will be collected at the end of the yr? did some pay early im guessing?

yes

there was an option to pay in full or do it 20 up front

and 20 to send to winners

The Waiting Trophy Man

Are you posting Thursday picks before the game tonight?
Or just posting them on Sunday with the rest of the games?

ed243421

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

Are you posting Thursday picks before the game tonight?
Or just posting them on Sunday with the rest of the games?

last year we posted all picks on sunday at 1pmish

had no issues

not even sure about the pros and cons of doing that way

it was that way in the league i borrowed the idea from

The Waiting Trophy Man

ed243421 wrote:

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

Are you posting Thursday picks before the game tonight?
Or just posting them on Sunday with the rest of the games?

last year we posted all picks on sunday at 1pmish

had no issues

not even sure about the pros and cons of doing that way

it was that way in the league i borrowed the idea from

I don't have a problem with it either way.

I guess it'd be interesting, but not necessary.

Man that was a great game tonight though, wow! What an ending.

ed243421

sorry

still got a little pj20 hangover

long drive home

here we go



week 1

no
gb -4.5

phi
stl +4.5

pit
bal -1.5

cin
cle -6.5

det
tb -1.5

atl
chi +2.5

ind
hou -9.5

ten
jax -2.5

buf
kc -6.5

sea
sf -5.5

car
az -7.5

min
sd -8.5

nyg
was +3.5

dal
nyj -5.5

ne
mia +7.5

oak
den -3.5

ed243421

my week 1 locks-

pit
cle
det
atl
hou
ne

ed243421

i've got everyone's picks except

vermont21
south of seattle
fixer
swany24

davidtrios

get your picks in!...how many in the league ed? what is the payout? winner take all?

ed243421

i got everyone except

the fixer

and

swany24

i will give them til 1:10 ish to get in this week

if they do not get in in time

they can go 0-6 and still play next week

ed243421

week 1 picks

fixer and swany can still make it this week if they hurry




****ed243421**** pit cle det atl hou ne

******phardin****** stl cle sd det az pit

******poncier****** stl cle det kc sea min

*south of seattle* phi pit cin hou sea nyg

****swany 24****

*****the fixer*****

****the juggler**** pit cle ten buf ind ne

*******horos******* gb det atl nyg oak min

****davidtrios**** nyj min sea chi phi oak

****vermont21**** ten det buf pit ne sf

**fmeinthebrain** az atl det ten stl ind

**waiting trophy** gb nyg dal hou cle stl

ed243421

to the fixer and swany

if you want you can still get in league

everyone will go 0-6 at least once

and there is cash in the weekly pots for going 6 for 6 any week

get in

ed243421

i think we need to vote on something

swany had an emergency on sunday

life happens

and there are still 2 games to be played

should he and fixer be allowed to pick the remaining games????

the 1pm deadline is really there because most of the games are at 1pm

if someone misses the 1pm picks

should they be allowed to select from only the 4pm , 8pm and monday games?????

some people like to make their picks sunday after they get some gameday info

and then shit can happen

it could happen to any of us

please give vote or feedback before kickoff tonite

Poncier

Absolutely they should be able to pick the remaining games...in fact if someone had been tied up till say 3PM yesterday, should have been able to pick 6 games from the late games/night games. As long as the picks are in before the particular game kicks off, no problem.
Of course everyone should attempt to get their 6 picks in as early as possible, but life gets in the way sometimes.

ed243421

we never had this come up before

was it once or twice last year that someone was missing until at least tuesday so they had to go 0-6?

i also think that if something delays you from making your 1pm picks, you should be able to pick from the remaining games

as long as it is prior to the kickoffs

but

i also think that this should be for "shit happens" purposes only

meaning

if you pm me picks prior to the 1pm kickoffs

you have to make 6 picks at that time, not just the 1pm games

i do not think i can be at the ready to recieve pm's all day long

my 2 cents

lemme know what we should do?

Horos

I think you had the spreads posted and everyone has known for a month they were going to have to make the picks. In my local pick'em league that I've been running for 5 years we play for a weekly $5 and $20 on the season. Everyone knows that if they miss a week they are screwed on the overall. So they don't miss a week. Everyones life is busy but when we signed up for this we knew when we had to have the picks in. Allowing the picks to be made later gives an advantage that those of us who picked on time don't get.

I understand that emergencies happen but really it takes a whole 5 mins. to get on and make your picks. In this day and age I imagine most of you have smart phones and can make your picks from anywhere in the world.

That said I'll go along with whatever the majority thinks we should do. Maybe Eric if you set us up on Yahoo or CBSsportsline it would be easier for you to track. I don't believe in the 'shit happens' rule, if one of us is allowed to pick late then we all should be allowed to, which would make it a pain in the ass for you.

My vote is that everyone should have their picks in at least 1/2 an hour before the first kick-off on Sunday.

The Waiting Trophy Man

Horos wrote:

My vote is that everyone should have their picks in at least 1/2 an hour before the first kick-off on Sunday.

I agree. 1 hour would be better though; no need to leave it so late. I made my picks on friday night. I don't expect everyone to do that, but the lines are posted on Friday mornings, so that gives people plenty of time to make their picks by Sunday morning. And I also agree that we should be making our Monday night picks on Sunday morning, too.

I also think everyone should get one chance to be late with their picks. It should be a one-time only rule, in my opinion. Guys can't be late with their picks every other week. But if you are late once and miss Sunday, I think you should get to pick the Monday night game, as long as it's in an hour or so before kick off. But again, we only get to do this one time.

F Me In The Brain

Eric, if you are OK with tracking at random points of time who submitted which picks, I am ok w/allowing. Seems like a pain in the balls for you to have to do that. I think it should be set moving forward at 15-30 minutes prior to kickoff and it you miss, you miss.

My picks sucked ass this week.

In my PM to Eric submitting my shitty picks I jokingly added 'and put $400 on Utah and the Under' referencing Saturday's USC vs Utah Pac12 opener.
Did anyone happen to see how that game ended? Cant believe this has happened too many times in Vegas.
Utah +7.5.
Clock running down, Utah is down by 3 and goes for the FG to tie. USC blocks and returns the FG making the score 23-14. However, USC is flagged for a sideline penalty from their players going bonkers and getting on the field as they celebrated. The officials (bafflingly) take away the Touchdown and allow the blocked FG play to stand, announce the game is over.

Buddy #1 is in Las Vegas and immediately cashes his bet out (he had Utah)
Buddy #2 is in New Orleans and bets through a book. He bet on USC and freaked out Saturday night as it was a 3k swing based on that touchdown being disallowed.
Sunday AM I get a text from Buddy #2 -- they changed the score of the USC game and his book followed that ruling and he now won his bet on USC to cover.

Fucking insano.
http://www.businessinsider.com/usc-utah-gambling-controversy-2011-9

Poncier

F Me In The Brain wrote:

In my PM to Eric submitting my shitty picks I jokingly added 'and put $400 on Utah and the Under' referencing Saturday's USC vs Utah Pac12 opener.
Did anyone happen to see how that game ended? Cant believe this has happened too many times in Vegas.
Utah +7.5.
Clock running down, Utah is down by 3 and goes for the FG to tie. USC blocks and returns the FG making the score 23-14. However, USC is flagged for a sideline penalty from their players going bonkers and getting on the field as they celebrated. The officials (bafflingly) take away the Touchdown and allow the blocked FG play to stand, announce the game is over.

Buddy #1 is in Las Vegas and immediately cashes his bet out (he had Utah)
Buddy #2 is in New Orleans and bets through a book. He bet on USC and freaked out Saturday night as it was a 3k swing based on that touchdown being disallowed.
Sunday AM I get a text from Buddy #2 -- they changed the score of the USC game and his book followed that ruling and he now won his bet on USC to cover.

Fucking insano.
http://www.businessinsider.com/usc-utah-gambling-controversy-2011-9

That is crazy.
Buddy #1 was very lucky and/or smart to have cashed right away, cause it would be clear to those in the know that the rules for a sideline penalty should enforce he penalty after the play, not during, so I'm surprised a Vegas sportsbook didn't wait to pay out wagers until it was sorted out.

So, I see the article says there's a new rule allowing officials to take away a score for taunting...hw f'ed is that?

davidtrios

i say make the picks by the noon kickoff. no later than that

F Me In The Brain

Poncier wrote:

F Me In The Brain wrote:

In my PM to Eric submitting my shitty picks I jokingly added 'and put $400 on Utah and the Under' referencing Saturday's USC vs Utah Pac12 opener.
Did anyone happen to see how that game ended? Cant believe this has happened too many times in Vegas.
Utah +7.5.
Clock running down, Utah is down by 3 and goes for the FG to tie. USC blocks and returns the FG making the score 23-14. However, USC is flagged for a sideline penalty from their players going bonkers and getting on the field as they celebrated. The officials (bafflingly) take away the Touchdown and allow the blocked FG play to stand, announce the game is over.

Buddy #1 is in Las Vegas and immediately cashes his bet out (he had Utah)
Buddy #2 is in New Orleans and bets through a book. He bet on USC and freaked out Saturday night as it was a 3k swing based on that touchdown being disallowed.
Sunday AM I get a text from Buddy #2 -- they changed the score of the USC game and his book followed that ruling and he now won his bet on USC to cover.

Fucking insano.
http://www.businessinsider.com/usc-utah-gambling-controversy-2011-9

That is crazy.
Buddy #1 was very lucky and/or smart to have cashed right away, cause it would be clear to those in the know that the rules for a sideline penalty should enforce he penalty after the play, not during, so I'm surprised a Vegas sportsbook didn't wait to pay out wagers until it was sorted out.

So, I see the article says there's a new rule allowing officials to take away a score for taunting...hw f'ed is that?

Yeah and the guy that was in Vegas was shit-hammered too...lucky he didn't wait until Sunday betting time to cash in the previous day's action.

Taunting should never be allowed to take points off the board. That is WAY too subjective. A 21 year old kid that just made the biggest play of his life spikes the ball and jumps into his teammates' arms...and a referee can decide to flag him and take away the scoring play? Unbelievable. You penalize the team after the fact you don't take points down. This is an awful rules and we can be sure of the fact that it will happen in a key spot this year and prove costly to program.

ed243421

i apologize for not taking care of this rule before it came to this

i think the responses so far are

3 are ok with letting fixer and swany picking the monday games

2 are not

please tell me if my vote numbers are wrong

swany pm'ed me

fixer has not

if either posts their picks on thread before kickoff, i guess we take them

in the future

if this happens

my feeling is that if you miss the 1pm games, you are very limited in your choices

but i'm not sure the 1pm should be a cutoff point

there is no benefit of not making your picks by the 1pm kickoff

they still have to get picks in before kickoffs and i would post their selections on thread

i expect to have every pick before the 1pm kickoff each week

this is a fall back plan

to say you have to go 0-6 at 1:30pm on sunday when there are sometimes 7 or 8 kickoffs remaining sounds crazy to me

it just has to be an emergency thing, not a constant thing

and even if you only want the 4pm and 8pm and monday games some week, you should still pm me before 1pm


please tell me if you feel differently

F Me In The Brain

Sounds OK to me!

phardin

ed243421 wrote:

i apologize for not taking care of this rule before it came to this

i think the responses so far are

3 are ok with letting fixer and swany picking the monday games

2 are not

please tell me if my vote numbers are wrong

swany pm'ed me

fixer has not

if either posts their picks on thread before kickoff, i guess we take them

in the future

if this happens

my feeling is that if you miss the 1pm games, you are very limited in your choices

but i'm not sure the 1pm should be a cutoff point

there is no benefit of not making your picks by the 1pm kickoff

they still have to get picks in before kickoffs and i would post their selections on thread

i expect to have every pick before the 1pm kickoff each week

this is a fall back plan

to say you have to go 0-6 at 1:30pm on sunday when there are sometimes 7 or 8 kickoffs remaining sounds crazy to me

it just has to be an emergency thing, not a constant thing

and even if you only want the 4pm and 8pm and monday games some week, you should still pm me before 1pm


please tell me if you feel differently

This.

ed243421

*****week 1***** W - L

***vermont21*** 5 - 1

******horos****** 4 - 2

****davidtrios*** 4 - 2

********ed******* 3 - 3

*******sos******* 3 - 3

*****juggler***** 3 - 3

*waitingtrophy* 3 - 3

***f' me in the** 2 - 4

*****poncier***** 2 - 4

*****phardin***** 1 - 5

*******fixer****** 0 - 6

*****swany24**** 0 - 6





week 2 six-for-six pool = $20

i'm not sure if swany and fixer are still in league

we'll see

pick of the week = south of seattle / cin +7.5

Horos

ed243421 wrote:

i apologize for not taking care of this rule before it came to this

there is no benefit of not making your picks by the 1pm kickoff

It can be an advantage to not pick by 1pm. If I've made my picks and you haven't then you could pick according to how you know I picked. Ex. if I've already missed 3 game you take the easy match-ups or if I've already selected 3 correct you go for more long shots.

ed243421 wrote:

to say you have to go 0-6 at 1:30pm on sunday when there are sometimes 7 or 8 kickoffs remaining sounds crazy to me

Doesn't sound crazy to me sounds like following the rules that you laid out in last years contest.

ed243421

Horos wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

i apologize for not taking care of this rule before it came to this

there is no benefit of not making your picks by the 1pm kickoff

It can be an advantage to not pick by 1pm. If I've made my picks and you haven't then you could pick according to how you know I picked. Ex. if I've already missed 3 game you take the easy match-ups or if I've already selected 3 correct you go for more long shots.

ed243421 wrote:

to say you have to go 0-6 at 1:30pm on sunday when there are sometimes 7 or 8 kickoffs remaining sounds crazy to me

Doesn't sound crazy to me sounds like following the rules that you laid out in last years contest.

horos
you are right about one thing
there is supposed to be a deadline
1pm
if the league wants "cutthroat"
league, lemme know
i thought we could try to be fair and have a fallback plan for missing the 1pm kickoffs
this could be a once a year thing for emergencies

i do not think there is any advantage by not picking by 1pm
you say
if you lose 3 of the 1pm games and i wait for the 4pm games to make 6 picks..
you then say i would take the "easy matchups"
if there were "easy matchups" to be had at 4pm, you would have picked them at 1pm
and you say if you win 3 of your 1pm picks, that i could then take "longshots" does not make sense to me
it is not easy to pick these games
the winner will probably average 3.5 wins a week this season
no room to take "longshots"


and again
i expect to have all picks by 1pm each sunday
if the league does not want a fallback plan
league, lemme know
sorry this was not tied up earlier

this is not big money
this is supposed to be for a little $ and fun
between 10clubbers

horos, if you want a refund, lemme know

Horos

Dude I'm not trying to be a dick but I can be an asshole so I apologise if that's how you feel.

I just want to play by the rules that were clearly laid out well in advance. I am playing for fun. But here it is week 1 and you are talking about changing the rules.

If you don't want my opinion then don't ask for it.