You can attempt to eliminate - or at least reduce - the number of small shootings in the U.S, along with the big shootings by unhinged individuals - by implementing some form of gun control.
I.e, if their was no 'convenience of guns' in the first place then America wouldn't have such a big problem with gun-related homicides compared with, say, Canada.
Yep, I agree 100%.
The real issue preventing better gun control lies at the feet of the Democrats. They are spineless against the N.R.A. They know the N.R.A. will dump money and support with their opponent in the next election.
I would like better safeguards in acquiring guns, but until the Democrats step up to the plate, it isn't going to happen.
You can attempt to eliminate - or at least reduce - the number of small shootings in the U.S, along with the big shootings by unhinged individuals - by implementing some form of gun control.
I.e, if their was no 'convenience of guns' in the first place then America wouldn't have such a big problem with gun-related homicides compared with, say, Canada.
Yep, I agree 100%.
The real issue preventing better gun control lies at the feet of the Democrats. They are spineless against the N.R.A. They know the N.R.A. will dump money and support with their opponent in the next election.
I would like better safeguards in acquiring guns, but until the Democrats step up to the plate, it isn't going to happen.
Well, I would like to think that the law-abiding citizens that like guns would take the lead on this to protect their rights while still doing the right thing...but unfortunately they have not. They sit back and scream "You can't take my guns" and fight any and all gun control measures. It's too bad, because they could help themselves by being a participant in the process rather than screaming bs and blocking EVERYTHING.
I would like better safeguards in acquiring guns, but until the Democrats step up to the plate, it isn't going to happen.
Well, I would like to think that the law-abiding citizens that like guns would take the lead on this to protect their rights while still doing the right thing...but unfortunately they have not. They sit back and scream "You can't take my guns" and fight any and all gun control measures. It's too bad, because they could help themselves by being a participant in the process rather than screaming bs and blocking EVERYTHING.
i agree with you here cincy. i think it is both parties to be blamed. yes the democrats are spineless, and the republicans are paranoid. remember how ammo sales went up as soon as obama won the election because "he is gonna take our guns!!" i think that the nra is paranoid to even engage in debate or put the issue up for the people to decide in a general election, because i am pretty sure that more people would vote for some gun control over what we have now. the nra and the republicans cling to that second ammendment just as a drowning man clings to a rescue ring. you can not have a debate when one side refuses to even come to the debate podium.
i wish the dems would hold on to defending entitlements as voraciously as the gop defends the right to have their guns.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
is this thread about Norway or U.S. gun laws? i think some of you are out of order.
that is all.
you knew it was going to come up. the guy only killed 70 something people with a gun...
and if you really want to get technical, go back to the original post. it was about the actual bombing, because that was all that had happend at the time the thread was posted. you have been around here long enough to know that threads evolve as more information comes to light. correct me if i am wrong, but weren't you one of the posters wanting to talk about the death penalty in a country where no dp exists and is not even an option in this same thread?
so yeah, thread integrity is important, but when more information comes out and the more people are in here wanting to discuss things, the topics change some and the thread evolves.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Wow, and it has a happy ending, only three people wounded in the gun fight and the suspect took his own life! Lucky they had all them guns around to stop anything bad happening :shock:
In his 1,500-page manifesto, confessed Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik claimed allegiance to a resurrected version of the Knights Templar, a medieval formation of Christian soldiers who waged brutal battle against Islam for control of the Holy Land and its relics. Breivik also wrote favorably of the mentorship of a British man known as "Richard (the Lionhearted)," who he credits for imparting to him the secrets of the Templar tradition.
In an exclusive report, AP correspondent Simon Haydon writes that he has located "Richard," whose actual name is Paul Ray, living in exile in Malta. In an interview with Haydon, Ray confirmed that he is associated with "a loose group of anti-Islamic extremists inspired by the Knights Templar," but denied that Breivik was associated with the group, or that he had served as Breivik's mentor.
"My thoughts are the same ... that there is a threat to our way of life from Islam. I'm not going to say I don't think there is, because I do," Ray told Haydon. Ray writes an anti-Muslim blog called "Lionheart" after King Richard I of England, who lead 12th-century Christian crusades.
Ray told the AP that he has embraced the Templar tradition in an effort to drive home the threat of Muslim immigration. "Muslims in (England) trying to take over our country. Let's not pretend it's not happening. They are actively declaring their vision to take our country over." He told the AP he did not approve of Breivik's methods, however.
That's not to say that the original Knights were at all peace-loving; quite the contrary. As Time writer Ishaan Tharoor notes, the Knights Templar formed at the site of the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, which fell into Christian control after the first crusade of 1099, and were known as ruthless warriors. And while the Knights tried to cultivate an image as ascetic spiritual pilgrims, they extorted enormous gold and precious-metal tributes from Jewish and Muslim subjects in the Middle East, as well as among the unfortunate Christian populations in Europe who came into their path.
That history, indeed, accounts for the order's best known pop culture legacies, Dashiell Hammett to Dan Brown. After the Templars were dissolved in 1312, a later religious order based on the island of Malta (where now makes Ray's home in solidarity with the order's aims) continued hoarding gold and precious stones--and thereby furnished the inspiration for the bloody intrigue in Hammett's hardboiled suspense novel, "The Maltese Falcon," and the classic John Huston film of the same name. The order has continued to claim a prominent place in modern-day fables of shadowy conspiracy. As legions of "Da Vinci Code" readers well know, the group is a favorite hobbyhorse of pulp-antiquarian novelist Dan Brown.
Nor is the order's latter-day appeal confined to fiction writers and fringe anti-immigrant figures in Europe. As hard-core advocates of white ethnic purity, Breivik and Ray would no doubt be baffled to learn that a new Mexican drug cartel calls itself the Knights Templar. According to a report in Al Jazeera, this latest twist on the Templar legend was the brainchild of a schoolteacher named Servando Gomez, who has members dress up in full medieval Templar regalia, and swear out loyalty oaths in blood. While the group professes to devote itself to philanthropic works--including drug rehabilitation centers in Gomez's home province of Michoacan--it is an offshoot of La Familia, the second most powerful and lethally violent drug cartel in Mexico. In other words, while the historic Knights of Templar are long gone, claimants to its legacy are continuing to honor, consciously or otherwise, its tangled legacy of blood, piety, and treasure.
Paul Ray in Malta. His sweatshirt bears a Templar cross.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
is this thread about Norway or U.S. gun laws? i think some of you are out of order.
that is all.
shoot them... :shock:
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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I would like better safeguards in acquiring guns, but until the Democrats step up to the plate, it isn't going to happen.
Well, I would like to think that the law-abiding citizens that like guns would take the lead on this to protect their rights while still doing the right thing...but unfortunately they have not. They sit back and scream "You can't take my guns" and fight any and all gun control measures. It's too bad, because they could help themselves by being a participant in the process rather than screaming bs and blocking EVERYTHING.
i wish the dems would hold on to defending entitlements as voraciously as the gop defends the right to have their guns.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
that is all.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
unbelievable around here.
thread integrity... is the bad guy dead yet?
eating well is he?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
and if you really want to get technical, go back to the original post. it was about the actual bombing, because that was all that had happend at the time the thread was posted. you have been around here long enough to know that threads evolve as more information comes to light. correct me if i am wrong, but weren't you one of the posters wanting to talk about the death penalty in a country where no dp exists and is not even an option in this same thread?
so yeah, thread integrity is important, but when more information comes out and the more people are in here wanting to discuss things, the topics change some and the thread evolves.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Wow, and it has a happy ending, only three people wounded in the gun fight and the suspect took his own life! Lucky they had all them guns around to stop anything bad happening :shock:
sounds like he wants to be a crusader to me..
How did the medieval Knights Templar influence Norway gunman?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/did ... 12473.html
In his 1,500-page manifesto, confessed Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik claimed allegiance to a resurrected version of the Knights Templar, a medieval formation of Christian soldiers who waged brutal battle against Islam for control of the Holy Land and its relics. Breivik also wrote favorably of the mentorship of a British man known as "Richard (the Lionhearted)," who he credits for imparting to him the secrets of the Templar tradition.
In an exclusive report, AP correspondent Simon Haydon writes that he has located "Richard," whose actual name is Paul Ray, living in exile in Malta. In an interview with Haydon, Ray confirmed that he is associated with "a loose group of anti-Islamic extremists inspired by the Knights Templar," but denied that Breivik was associated with the group, or that he had served as Breivik's mentor.
"My thoughts are the same ... that there is a threat to our way of life from Islam. I'm not going to say I don't think there is, because I do," Ray told Haydon. Ray writes an anti-Muslim blog called "Lionheart" after King Richard I of England, who lead 12th-century Christian crusades.
Ray told the AP that he has embraced the Templar tradition in an effort to drive home the threat of Muslim immigration. "Muslims in (England) trying to take over our country. Let's not pretend it's not happening. They are actively declaring their vision to take our country over." He told the AP he did not approve of Breivik's methods, however.
That's not to say that the original Knights were at all peace-loving; quite the contrary. As Time writer Ishaan Tharoor notes, the Knights Templar formed at the site of the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, which fell into Christian control after the first crusade of 1099, and were known as ruthless warriors. And while the Knights tried to cultivate an image as ascetic spiritual pilgrims, they extorted enormous gold and precious-metal tributes from Jewish and Muslim subjects in the Middle East, as well as among the unfortunate Christian populations in Europe who came into their path.
That history, indeed, accounts for the order's best known pop culture legacies, Dashiell Hammett to Dan Brown. After the Templars were dissolved in 1312, a later religious order based on the island of Malta (where now makes Ray's home in solidarity with the order's aims) continued hoarding gold and precious stones--and thereby furnished the inspiration for the bloody intrigue in Hammett's hardboiled suspense novel, "The Maltese Falcon," and the classic John Huston film of the same name. The order has continued to claim a prominent place in modern-day fables of shadowy conspiracy. As legions of "Da Vinci Code" readers well know, the group is a favorite hobbyhorse of pulp-antiquarian novelist Dan Brown.
Nor is the order's latter-day appeal confined to fiction writers and fringe anti-immigrant figures in Europe. As hard-core advocates of white ethnic purity, Breivik and Ray would no doubt be baffled to learn that a new Mexican drug cartel calls itself the Knights Templar. According to a report in Al Jazeera, this latest twist on the Templar legend was the brainchild of a schoolteacher named Servando Gomez, who has members dress up in full medieval Templar regalia, and swear out loyalty oaths in blood. While the group professes to devote itself to philanthropic works--including drug rehabilitation centers in Gomez's home province of Michoacan--it is an offshoot of La Familia, the second most powerful and lethally violent drug cartel in Mexico. In other words, while the historic Knights of Templar are long gone, claimants to its legacy are continuing to honor, consciously or otherwise, its tangled legacy of blood, piety, and treasure.
Paul Ray in Malta. His sweatshirt bears a Templar cross.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”