If 21 years is max I think it's safe to say there will be some family member of a victim out there who will gladly be ready to kill him when he's released.. and probably for a minimal sentence.. And they'd be doing society a favor. This guy will never be safe to freely roam.
i am sorry to hear about your friend. that is just awful.
in spite of this terrible tragedy, i think a great thing is happening in Norway right now. the entire country is coming together and becoming unified. they are becoming unified against the far right extremist who did this and those of his ilk. people of all faiths and ethnicities are coming together, which is the exact opposite of the goals of this piece of shit attacker and the nationalist groups with whom he has associated. it just proves that the power of tolerance and acceptance will overcome the idealogies that aim to divide and separate us.
he may only get 21 years in jail, but i think that him realizing that he threw his life away and took over 90 innocemt lives in the process over these extreme right wing beliefs with the end result being the opposite of what his stated and desired goals were is just additional punishment.
forgive me, i do not understand the term "right wing" or "far right extremist."
i am sorry to hear about your friend. that is just awful.
in spite of this terrible tragedy, i think a great thing is happening in Norway right now. the entire country is coming together and becoming unified. they are becoming unified against the far right extremist who did this and those of his ilk. people of all faiths and ethnicities are coming together, which is the exact opposite of the goals of this piece of shit attacker and the nationalist groups with whom he has associated. it just proves that the power of tolerance and acceptance will overcome the idealogies that aim to divide and separate us.
he may only get 21 years in jail, but i think that him realizing that he threw his life away and took over 90 innocemt lives in the process over these extreme right wing beliefs with the end result being the opposite of what his stated and desired goals were is just additional punishment.
forgive me, i do not understand the term "right wing" or "far right extremist."
forgive me, but it is just as it sounds. every article i have seen on this describes it. nationalist, anti immigrant, anti islam, anti government, etc. it is an extremist on the right side of the political spectrum. opposite of a left wing extremist.
in us politics, conservatives are to the right of neutral, liberals are to the left. there are varying degrees of each, and those in the middle are what we call moderate.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
what are everyone's thoughts on his wish for an open-court hearing?
personally, i would like that ... i believe that his hate needs to be shared in order for society to see the viewpoints of those that would do such a heinous act ... we need to understand what would drive someone to do what he did ...
what are everyone's thoughts on his wish for an open-court hearing?
personally, i would like that ... i believe that his hate needs to be shared in order for society to see the viewpoints of those that would do such a heinous act ... we need to understand what would drive someone to do what he did ...
I think his message should be censored. An open-court hearing is part of his plan and could possibly get his sick message out to those that may emulate. If allowed to continue his vision and plan, it would be a slap in the face to all the victims.
i read that the guy was a christian conservative that was associated with a right wing political group..
when is the last time in recent memory a left wing atheist grabbed a gun and wasted random people?
Here we go. we do the same people that bitch and moan about others putting all people of a religion in 1 pot do the same thing? Nice job.
People suck, no matter their religion/political party, etc. There are crazies in every group. Hard to stop 1 idiot from doing something like this. I hope those affected can find some peace, I don't think I could.
There are plenty of random left wing atheist assholes that have killed random people. Look in jail.
what are everyone's thoughts on his wish for an open-court hearing?
personally, i would like that ... i believe that his hate needs to be shared in order for society to see the viewpoints of those that would do such a heinous act ... we need to understand what would drive someone to do what he did ...
I think his message should be censored. An open-court hearing is part of his plan and could possibly get his sick message out to those that may emulate. If allowed to continue his vision and plan, it would be a slap in the face to all the victims.
yeah ... i know that is the thinking but i feel this is like any other issue out there ... let's put it out there and not pretend that there aren't a lot of people out there who share his ignorance ... if we suppress these thoughts - these folks will continue to get indoctrinated from their ideological sources ...
we see it on this board all the time ... we have far right people here who share similar beliefs ... i would hope they wouldn't do what he did but we know there are many who don't disagree with his beliefs just maybe only his response ...
he may only get 21 years in jail, but i think that him realizing that he threw his life away and took over 90 innocemt lives in the process over these extreme right wing beliefs with the end result being the opposite of what his stated and desired goals were is just additional punishment.
I disagree. He should never see the light of day.
If the world doesn't somehow get some extraordinary leaders across many countries at the same exact time, I fear what this place will be like in 50 years.
If the world doesn't somehow get some extraordinary leaders across many countries at the same exact time, I fear what this place will be like in 50 years.
without making this another thread about capital punishment ... can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
This guys overall goal was to get in the news, it was to be infamous. Talking about him in the news is only going to feed his overall goal. There are ways to discuss this story without talking about the killer and his motivations. There are ways to simply discuss the actions and the victims...I hope that is what will happen. The natural instinct for most is to be curious here, and I have to admit it was my first reaction, but it should be repressed. That would be extra punishment for this guy. Not simply sitting in jail for 21 years....he can be a folk hero to many if his words get out, if they never mention him again, he will go away. Lock him up and throw away the key. All he deserves is bread, water, and an ass kicking monthly. From now until the end of his days.
I am not sure how the Norwegian justice system works, but could it be that he gets 21 years served consecutively not concurrently?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Spain's PM Mr Zapatero had this to say about Norway:
"This isn't just another event. This is something extremely serious that requires a response, a European response, a shared response to defend freedom, to defend democracy, calling on people to rise up and fight radicalism, to respond against xenophobia."
i read that the guy was a christian conservative that was associated with a right wing political group..
when is the last time in recent memory a left wing atheist grabbed a gun and wasted random people?
Here we go. we do the same people that bitch and moan about others putting all people of a religion in 1 pot do the same thing? Nice job.
People suck, no matter their religion/political party, etc. There are crazies in every group. Hard to stop 1 idiot from doing something like this. I hope those affected can find some peace, I don't think I could.
There are plenty of random left wing atheist assholes that have killed random people. Look in jail.
i can not recall any that killed multiple people over their extreme political beliefs in recent memory... can you name 3?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Spain's PM Mr Zapatero had this to say about Norway:
"This isn't just another event. This is something extremely serious that requires a response, a European response, a shared response to defend freedom, to defend democracy, calling on people to rise up and fight radicalism, to respond against xenophobia."
succinctly and perfectly phrased...
Politicians fuel xenophobia and radicalism all the time. As does the media. A lot of people need an enemy - real or imagined - in order to function. It's like a disease.
If the world doesn't somehow get some extraordinary leaders across many countries at the same exact time, I fear what this place will be like in 50 years.
without making this another thread about capital punishment ... can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
Sure. The world is in dire need of leaders that understand that compromise is the goal, not Us vs. them. Within countries it helps feed and even at times can help create people with such hatred toward the otherside that they do unthinkable things (like this guy). Between countries it fosters an environment the tolerates and supports terrorist organizations.
We need a shift to a different kind of a leader. Tough leaders that are still willing to compromise for progress. The problem is, compromise is seen as a weakness in our world today. The people who elect leaders don't want "their guy" or "their girl" to "back down" in anyway.
It's an increasingly more difficult world to accomplish this task and I think it will take a group of very special leaders. Otherwise, we will continue to divide.
i read that the guy was a christian conservative that was associated with a right wing political group..
when is the last time in recent memory a left wing atheist grabbed a gun and wasted random people?
Here we go. we do the same people that bitch and moan about others putting all people of a religion in 1 pot do the same thing? Nice job.
People suck, no matter their religion/political party, etc. There are crazies in every group. Hard to stop 1 idiot from doing something like this. I hope those affected can find some peace, I don't think I could.
There are plenty of random left wing atheist assholes that have killed random people. Look in jail.
i can not recall any that killed multiple people over their extreme political beliefs in recent memory... can you name 3?
See, that's because you are thinking too narrowly. You are only looking at the 1 time events where a small # of people kill a large number. How about the everyday killings throughout the world. Pretty sure there are plenty of atheists killing daily, killings of random people. I wonder which is a bigger death tally overall.
Spain's PM Mr Zapatero had this to say about Norway:
"This isn't just another event. This is something extremely serious that requires a response, a European response, a shared response to defend freedom, to defend democracy, calling on people to rise up and fight radicalism, to respond against xenophobia."
Now, I'm not saying that Christianity is the problem... I'm just pointing out that us "non-believers" (I'm agnostic) don't get caught up in cults or mind-programming, like Christianity, and therefore aren't susceptible to "MORALIC duty" to KILL others.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Now, I'm not saying that Christianity is the problem... I'm just pointing out that us "non-believers" (I'm agnostic) don't get caught up in cults or mind-programming, like Christianity, and therefore aren't susceptible to "MORALIC duty" to KILL others.
wow ... that's an interesting stat ...
i do believe it's that indoctrination ... people's inability to think critically ... i also don't think christianity is the problem but rather the manipulation of christianity ... similar to the manipulation of terrorism ... all things used to serve an agenda ...
Now, I'm not saying that Christianity is the problem... I'm just pointing out that us "non-believers" (I'm agnostic) don't get caught up in cults or mind-programming, like Christianity, and therefore aren't susceptible to "MORALIC duty" to KILL others.
true but 14 years ago when these stats were used, it wasn't as "fashionable" to be atheist.... I would be surprised if the latest stats for atheists wasnt a much larger percentage.....
i read that the guy was a christian conservative that was associated with a right wing political group..
when is the last time in recent memory a left wing atheist grabbed a gun and wasted random people?
Here we go. we do the same people that bitch and moan about others putting all people of a religion in 1 pot do the same thing? Nice job.
People suck, no matter their religion/political party, etc. There are crazies in every group. Hard to stop 1 idiot from doing something like this. I hope those affected can find some peace, I don't think I could.
There are plenty of random left wing atheist assholes that have killed random people. Look in jail.
i can not recall any that killed multiple people over their extreme political beliefs in recent memory... can you name 3?
Jared Loughner is one. Don't know about his religious leanings, don't care either. I think the guy who flew his plane into an IRS building was pretty lefty as well, don't know if he killed anyone though. maybe the unibomber? i don't know I don't usually care about someones political leanings, crazy is crazy ... I think the bigger point is that if radical islam were to have carried out this attack we would be hearing about how not all muslims are like that and blah blah blah...a point i agree with but certainly sounds different than what you presented in your statement Gimmie. Of course I can only speak from the way I read it, might not have been how you meant it. There are crazy people everywhere, lets just focus on this dipshit and leave the generalizing out of it for a while.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Now, I'm not saying that Christianity is the problem... I'm just pointing out that us "non-believers" (I'm agnostic) don't get caught up in cults or mind-programming, like Christianity, and therefore aren't susceptible to "MORALIC duty" to KILL others.
Now, I'm not saying that Christianity is the problem... I'm just pointing out that us "non-believers" (I'm agnostic) don't get caught up in cults or mind-programming, like Christianity, and therefore aren't susceptible to "MORALIC duty" to KILL others.
How many "found god" while in prison?
too bad they didn't find him sooner maybe they would not have killed to start with.
I would expect that he spends the rest of his life in prison rather then the 21 year max, but crazier decisions have been made. Remember the guy who blew up the Pan Am flight over Scotland .....
what are everyone's thoughts on his wish for an open-court hearing?
personally, i would like that ... i believe that his hate needs to be shared in order for society to see the viewpoints of those that would do such a heinous act ... we need to understand what would drive someone to do what he did ...
what he wishes and deserves are two different things. fuck his wish. hopefully someone offs the prick here in a matter of moments.
maybe he'll hang himself with a bed sheet tonight. it'd save Norway a shit ton of money and time and grief. it would eliminate the barrage of news coverage on this asshole, no more media continuance like other evil bastards have received.
just my opinion i could be wrong... but im not :evil:
People can call themselves "Christian", but if they are doing things that go directly against the teachings of Christianity, is it still OK for the media to label them as Christian?
Besides, "Christian" is a very broad term. There are a lot of different flavors under that umbrella.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
what he wishes and deserves are two different things. fuck his wish. hopefully someone offs the prick here in a matter of moments.
maybe he'll hang himself with a bed sheet tonight. it'd save Norway a shit ton of money and time and grief. it would eliminate the barrage of news coverage on this asshole, no more media continuance like other evil bastards have received.
just my opinion i could be wrong... but im not :evil:
you carry a lot of hate and anger in you ... that is easy to see ... i hope you find peace within yourself some day
what he wishes and deserves are two different things. fuck his wish. hopefully someone offs the prick here in a matter of moments.
maybe he'll hang himself with a bed sheet tonight. it'd save Norway a shit ton of money and time and grief. it would eliminate the barrage of news coverage on this asshole, no more media continuance like other evil bastards have received.
just my opinion i could be wrong... but im not :evil:
you carry a lot of hate and anger in you ... that is easy to see ... i hope you find peace within yourself some day
This same quote could be generously applied, like sunscreen, on AMT.
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
in us politics, conservatives are to the right of neutral, liberals are to the left. there are varying degrees of each, and those in the middle are what we call moderate.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
personally, i would like that ... i believe that his hate needs to be shared in order for society to see the viewpoints of those that would do such a heinous act ... we need to understand what would drive someone to do what he did ...
Here we go. we do the same people that bitch and moan about others putting all people of a religion in 1 pot do the same thing? Nice job.
People suck, no matter their religion/political party, etc. There are crazies in every group. Hard to stop 1 idiot from doing something like this. I hope those affected can find some peace, I don't think I could.
There are plenty of random left wing atheist assholes that have killed random people. Look in jail.
yeah ... i know that is the thinking but i feel this is like any other issue out there ... let's put it out there and not pretend that there aren't a lot of people out there who share his ignorance ... if we suppress these thoughts - these folks will continue to get indoctrinated from their ideological sources ...
we see it on this board all the time ... we have far right people here who share similar beliefs ... i would hope they wouldn't do what he did but we know there are many who don't disagree with his beliefs just maybe only his response ...
I disagree. He should never see the light of day.
If the world doesn't somehow get some extraordinary leaders across many countries at the same exact time, I fear what this place will be like in 50 years.
without making this another thread about capital punishment ... can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
I am not sure how the Norwegian justice system works, but could it be that he gets 21 years served consecutively not concurrently?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"This isn't just another event. This is something extremely serious that requires a response, a European response, a shared response to defend freedom, to defend democracy, calling on people to rise up and fight radicalism, to respond against xenophobia."
succinctly and perfectly phrased...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Politicians fuel xenophobia and radicalism all the time. As does the media. A lot of people need an enemy - real or imagined - in order to function. It's like a disease.
Sure. The world is in dire need of leaders that understand that compromise is the goal, not Us vs. them. Within countries it helps feed and even at times can help create people with such hatred toward the otherside that they do unthinkable things (like this guy). Between countries it fosters an environment the tolerates and supports terrorist organizations.
We need a shift to a different kind of a leader. Tough leaders that are still willing to compromise for progress. The problem is, compromise is seen as a weakness in our world today. The people who elect leaders don't want "their guy" or "their girl" to "back down" in anyway.
It's an increasingly more difficult world to accomplish this task and I think it will take a group of very special leaders. Otherwise, we will continue to divide.
See, that's because you are thinking too narrowly. You are only looking at the 1 time events where a small # of people kill a large number. How about the everyday killings throughout the world. Pretty sure there are plenty of atheists killing daily, killings of random people. I wonder which is a bigger death tally overall.
Well said.
0.2% of the prison population is atheist. Naturally, if they're "killing random people" in droves like you suggest, they're going to get caught.
Prison population:
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
Now, I'm not saying that Christianity is the problem... I'm just pointing out that us "non-believers" (I'm agnostic) don't get caught up in cults or mind-programming, like Christianity, and therefore aren't susceptible to "MORALIC duty" to KILL others.
wow ... that's an interesting stat ...
i do believe it's that indoctrination ... people's inability to think critically ... i also don't think christianity is the problem but rather the manipulation of christianity ... similar to the manipulation of terrorism ... all things used to serve an agenda ...
true but 14 years ago when these stats were used, it wasn't as "fashionable" to be atheist.... I would be surprised if the latest stats for atheists wasnt a much larger percentage.....
Jared Loughner is one. Don't know about his religious leanings, don't care either. I think the guy who flew his plane into an IRS building was pretty lefty as well, don't know if he killed anyone though. maybe the unibomber? i don't know I don't usually care about someones political leanings, crazy is crazy ... I think the bigger point is that if radical islam were to have carried out this attack we would be hearing about how not all muslims are like that and blah blah blah...a point i agree with but certainly sounds different than what you presented in your statement Gimmie. Of course I can only speak from the way I read it, might not have been how you meant it. There are crazy people everywhere, lets just focus on this dipshit and leave the generalizing out of it for a while.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
nothing new there.
How many "found god" while in prison?
too bad they didn't find him sooner maybe they would not have killed to start with.
Godfather.
maybe he'll hang himself with a bed sheet tonight. it'd save Norway a shit ton of money and time and grief. it would eliminate the barrage of news coverage on this asshole, no more media continuance like other evil bastards have received.
just my opinion i could be wrong... but im not :evil:
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Besides, "Christian" is a very broad term. There are a lot of different flavors under that umbrella.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
you carry a lot of hate and anger in you ... that is easy to see ... i hope you find peace within yourself some day
This same quote could be generously applied, like sunscreen, on AMT.
i disagree ...
Really? Maybe I'll pick 1 day and simply respond to posts with your quote wherever it fits.