John Lennon: A Closet Republican

Parachute

inlet13 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Not surprised in the least. I think a lot of famous musicians realize they are wrong about their pro-left stance later on, once they grow up and learn about the world.

Wow! This sentence wins the 2011 first prize for smugness.

As for musicians 'growing up' and 'learning about the World' before voting Republican, can you provide any examples?

Honestly, wasn't meant to be smug. I think the same is true for teenagers. A lot of teenagers grow up left-leaning. But, eventually they see the world differently once they start working and have a family. At some point, a large number switch to the right-leaning.

Take a look at the article for an example.

They say when you're young, if you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart.

But when you're older, if you're not a Republican, you don't have a brain.

Indifference

Parachute wrote:

They say when you're young, if you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart.

But when you're older, if you're not a Republican, you don't have a brain.

I always thought it was this:
If your old and a Democrat you don't have a brain, if your young and Conservative you don't have a heart.

Go Beavers

inlet13 wrote:

maj4e wrote:

I think that some people it's a natural shift from left to right as they age. I tend to think it's a bit more shallow than that. I think it's because they grow up and accumulate property and wealth and want to horde it and get more and more.

Personally I'm 36 and I get farther left all the time and I do have kids.

For whatever reason it occurs, I also believe it occurs. And, I never said, there weren't exceptions... particularly on a liberal-leaning rock band's message board.

Here's an interesting article supporting the notion that people get more liberal as they age:

http://www.livescience.com/2360-busting-myth-people-turn-liberal-age.html

Parachute

Indifference wrote:

Parachute wrote:

They say when you're young, if you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart.

But when you're older, if you're not a Republican, you don't have a brain.

I always thought it was this:
If your old and a Democrat you don't have a brain, if your young and Conservative you don't have a heart.

maybe that's it....

keeponrockin

Parachute wrote:

They say when you're young, if you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart.

But when you're older, if you're not a Republican, you don't have a brain.

That's a Churchill quote, and its Liberal/Conservative, not tied to any party.

I will go on record as saying anyone who votes for Sarah Palin has no brain.

lukin2006

Jason P wrote:

The fact that Lennon quit the Beatles in favor of Yoko is proof enough that he was not of sound mind in his final days.

Byrnzie

Parachute wrote:

They say when you're young, if you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart.

But when you're older, if you're not a Republican, you don't have a brain.

Sure, because anyone who votes for dangerous idiots like Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and now Sarah Palin, or Michelle Bachmann, must be intelligent, right?

inlet13

Go Beavers wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

maj4e wrote:

I think that some people it's a natural shift from left to right as they age. I tend to think it's a bit more shallow than that. I think it's because they grow up and accumulate property and wealth and want to horde it and get more and more.

Personally I'm 36 and I get farther left all the time and I do have kids.

For whatever reason it occurs, I also believe it occurs. And, I never said, there weren't exceptions... particularly on a liberal-leaning rock band's message board.

Here's an interesting article supporting the notion that people get more liberal as they age:

http://www.livescience.com/2360-busting-myth-people-turn-liberal-age.html

ha ha ah.... it's by sociologists. ha ha... sociologists. Sociologists really shouldn't even sit down with statistics software because of their inherent bias, lack of math skills and inability to take a master a real subject... or at the very least a subject that matters.

But, seriously, how does this sociologist from Vermont and his pal deem one "conservative" and one "liberal"? They don't say in the article. Do they by chance set up their own measurements of what's conservative and what's liberal? hmmm... what's bias mean again?

Your own article was trying to disprove the belief that I mentioned. There are plenty of articles and charts supporting what I mentioned. You supplied one saying it may not be true, using two random sociologists biased model.

Anyway, in this article, there's a chart by zogby, providing more proof of what I said...

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/worth- ... e-with-age

Byrnzie

inlet13 wrote:

Take a look at the article for an example.

I've already looked at the article, which is just one persons opinion, and which is disputed by other people and by other factors.

So can you provide any other examples? Or do you base your 'mature' and 'grown-up' outlook on the world on the opinions of just one person, and/or just one piece of flimsy evidence - as long as it promotes your conservative agenda?

inlet13

Byrnzie wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Take a look at the article for an example.

I've already looked at the article, which is just one persons opinion, and which is disputed by other people and by other factors.

So can you provide any other examples? Or do you base your 'mature' and 'grown-up' outlook on the world on the opinions of just one person, and/or just one piece of flimsy evidence - as long as it promotes your conservative agenda?

I don't even know what you're talking about. Examples of what? Examples of people tuning more conservative as they age? Take a look at the chart in the article I just posted. I'll post it again:

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/worth- ... e-with-age

I'd define mature and grown-up as people who are older for these purposes, I guess.

Byrnzie

inlet13 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Take a look at the article for an example.

I've already looked at the article, which is just one persons opinion, and which is disputed by other people and by other factors.

So can you provide any other examples? Or do you base your 'mature' and 'grown-up' outlook on the world on the opinions of just one person, and/or just one piece of flimsy evidence - as long as it promotes your conservative agenda?

I don't even know what you're talking about. Examples of what? Examples of people tuning more conservative as they age? Take a look at the chart in the article I just posted. I'll post it again:

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/worth- ... e-with-age

I'd define mature and grown-up as people who are older for these purposes, I guess.

I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.

No hypocrisy or double-standards here at all.


The bottom line is, this thread is a joke.

Byrnzie

inlet13 wrote:

Not surprised in the least. I think a lot of famous musicians realize they are wrong about their pro-left stance later on, once they grow up and learn about the world.

Is this an example of a grown-up and wordly Republican?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhbPVrb5KM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2WNKGZqpps

inlet13

Byrnzie wrote:

I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.

No hypocrisy or double-standards here at all.


The bottom line is, this thread is a joke.

I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.

I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...

gimmesometruth27

inlet13 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.

No hypocrisy or double-standards here at all.


The bottom line is, this thread is a joke.

I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.

I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...

the large font part is why old people rarely have the answers and rarely improve things.

traditionally real change comes from youth with progressive principles guiding them. not from old men who want to maintain the status quo.

Byrnzie

inlet13 wrote:

I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.

I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...

Except It isn't lore. It's horseshit. And your ZOGBY chart was posted on a webpage of a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'. You dismissed the other survey because it was conducted by sociologists - clearly you know nothing about sociology - but then you present this Conservative websites opinion as given fact.

No hypocrisy there at all.

Byrnzie

inlet13 wrote:

Not surprised in the least. I think a lot of famous musicians realize they are wrong about their pro-left stance later on, once they grow up and learn about the world.

Do you consider Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman people who are grown-up and knowledgable about the world?

Was Reagan grown-up and knowledgable about the world too? Isn't he the poster-boy of American conservatives?

Was the fact that he repeatedly lied to the American people, supported, funded, and protected death-squads in Latin America who murdered hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, and illegally sold arms to Iran, a result of his maturity and knowledge of the World?

inlet13

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.

No hypocrisy or double-standards here at all.


The bottom line is, this thread is a joke.

I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.

I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...

the large font part is why old people rarely have the answers and rarely improve things.

traditionally real change comes from youth with progressive principles guiding them. not from old men who want to maintain the status quo.

Keep the "change" coming, I'll keep selling short.

inlet13

Byrnzie wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Not surprised in the least. I think a lot of famous musicians realize they are wrong about their pro-left stance later on, once they grow up and learn about the world.

Do you consider Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman people who are grown-up and knowledgable about the world?

Was Reagan grown-up and knowledgable about the world too? Isn't he the poster-boy of American conservatives?

Was the fact that he repeatedly lied to the American people, supported, funded, and protected death-squads in Latin America who murdered hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, and illegally sold arms to Iran, a result of his maturity and knowledge of the World?

ha ha.... From what I've read by you on here, I honestly think they are much more grown-up and knowledgeable than you are. Spelling helps improve people's perception of your intelligence by the way.

gimmesometruth27

inlet13 wrote:

Keep the "change" coming, I'll keep selling short.

i am not talking about obama.

inlet13

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Keep the "change" coming, I'll keep selling short.

i am not talking about obama.

neither am i.