I've already looked at the article, which is just one persons opinion, and which is disputed by other people and by other factors.
So can you provide any other examples? Or do you base your 'mature' and 'grown-up' outlook on the world on the opinions of just one person, and/or just one piece of flimsy evidence - as long as it promotes your conservative agenda?
I don't even know what you're talking about. Examples of what? Examples of people tuning more conservative as they age? Take a look at the chart in the article I just posted. I'll post it again:
I'd define mature and grown-up as people who are older for these purposes, I guess.
I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.
Not surprised in the least. I think a lot of famous musicians realize they are wrong about their pro-left stance later on, once they grow up and learn about the world.
Is this an example of a grown-up and wordly Republican?:
I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.
No hypocrisy or double-standards here at all.
The bottom line is, this thread is a joke.
I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.
I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...
I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.
No hypocrisy or double-standards here at all.
The bottom line is, this thread is a joke.
I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.
I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...
the large font part is why old people rarely have the answers and rarely improve things.
traditionally real change comes from youth with progressive principles guiding them. not from old men who want to maintain the status quo.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.
I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...
Except It isn't lore. It's horseshit. And your ZOGBY chart was posted on a webpage of a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'. You dismissed the other survey because it was conducted by sociologists - clearly you know nothing about sociology - but then you present this Conservative websites opinion as given fact.
Not surprised in the least. I think a lot of famous musicians realize they are wrong about their pro-left stance later on, once they grow up and learn about the world.
Do you consider Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman people who are grown-up and knowledgable about the world?
Was Reagan grown-up and knowledgable about the world too? Isn't he the poster-boy of American conservatives?
Was the fact that he repeatedly lied to the American people, supported, funded, and protected death-squads in Latin America who murdered hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, and illegally sold arms to Iran, a result of his maturity and knowledge of the World?
I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.
No hypocrisy or double-standards here at all.
The bottom line is, this thread is a joke.
I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.
I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...
the large font part is why old people rarely have the answers and rarely improve things.
traditionally real change comes from youth with progressive principles guiding them. not from old men who want to maintain the status quo.
Keep the "change" coming, I'll keep selling short.
Not surprised in the least. I think a lot of famous musicians realize they are wrong about their pro-left stance later on, once they grow up and learn about the world.
Do you consider Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman people who are grown-up and knowledgable about the world?
Was Reagan grown-up and knowledgable about the world too? Isn't he the poster-boy of American conservatives?
Was the fact that he repeatedly lied to the American people, supported, funded, and protected death-squads in Latin America who murdered hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, and illegally sold arms to Iran, a result of his maturity and knowledge of the World?
ha ha.... From what I've read by you on here, I honestly think they are much more grown-up and knowledgeable than you are. Spelling helps improve people's perception of your intelligence by the way.
I asked you to provide any more examples of musicians becoming conservative, despite the case of John Lennon being highly debatable.
Why have you not been able to provide any? You got all giddy and excited after reading the OP so I figured you must have been able to provide at least one other example.
I asked you to provide any more examples of musicians becoming conservative, despite the case of John Lennon being highly debatable.
Why have you not been able to provide any? You got all giddy and excited after reading the OP so I figured you must have been able to provide at least one other example.
i can't think of any....pete seeger is as old as the earth itself and he is in no way a conservative.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I asked you to provide any more examples of musicians becoming conservative, despite the case of John Lennon being highly debatable.
Why have you not been able to provide any? You got all giddy and excited after reading the OP so I figured you must have been able to provide at least one other example.
I asked you about your spelling. You didn't comment.
Johnny Ramone is one. He was once quoted saying, "People drift towards liberalism at a young age, and I always hope they change when they see how the world really is."
Johnny Ramone is one. He was once quoted saying, "People drift towards liberalism at a young age, and I always hope they change when they see how the world really is."
No he isn't. Johnny Ramone was a Republican in his teens.
ha ha.... From what I've read by you on here, I honestly think they are much more grown-up and knowledgeable than you are.
Sure they are.
Palin believes Creationism should be taught in schools, believes the U.S. Army is on a mission from God, and believes rape victims should be forced to bear the child of their rapist.
Bachmann believes Carbon dioxide isn't harmful to humans, is a born-again Christian, and believes Macarthyist witch-hunts, and 'anti-American' activities committees should be re-introduced.
Clearly these are people you regard as 'grown-up' and 'worldly'. Or maybe not, but just because they happen to be conservatives you'll support them regardless of how bat-shit crazy they are.
ha ha.... From what I've read by you on here, I honestly think they are much more grown-up and knowledgeable than you are. Spelling helps improve people's perception of your intelligence by the way.
uhhh ... i would say some of the worst spellers on here are conservatives ... so, careful what you post ...
also, i think a good way of supporting your argument here is actually providing examples ...
ha ha.... From what I've read by you on here, I honestly think they are much more grown-up and knowledgeable than you are. Spelling helps improve people's perception of your intelligence by the way.
uhhh ... i would say some of the worst spellers on here are conservatives ... so, careful what you post ...
Really? You're going to pile on this spelling thing?
It's not surprising that anyone's opinions and views change as they experience more things in life. If you aren't constantly re-evaluating your views and potentially changing them based upon recent learnings or experiences, then shame on you. As long as you can explain the reason behind your change in stance, there is no shame.
Really? You're going to pile on this spelling thing?
It's not surprising that anyone's opinions and views change as they experience more things in life. If you aren't constantly re-evaluating your views and potentially changing them based upon recent learnings or experiences, then shame on you. As long as you can explain the reason behind your change in stance, there is no shame.
the funny part about the spelling is ... (at least on my computer) ... it gives you the squiggly lines to tell you spelled something wrong ... and it gives you the right spelling ... so, really it's just laziness ...
i agree with your point ... but how does it relate to this thread!? ... i'm sure people in general shift their political views probably just as many go one way vs. another ...
the discussion with inlet13 is that he believes a lot of artists start out leaning left and then shift to the right ... some of us would like some examples to prove this ...
Really? You're going to pile on this spelling thing?
It's not surprising that anyone's opinions and views change as they experience more things in life. If you aren't constantly re-evaluating your views and potentially changing them based upon recent learnings or experiences, then shame on you. As long as you can explain the reason behind your change in stance, there is no shame.
the funny part about the spelling is ... (at least on my computer) ... it gives you the squiggly lines to tell you spelled something wrong ... and it gives you the right spelling ... so, really it's just laziness ...
i agree with your point ... but how does it relate to this thread!? ... i'm sure people in general shift their political views probably just as many go one way vs. another ...
the discussion with inlet13 is that he believes a lot of artists start out leaning left and then shift to the right ... some of us would like some examples to prove this ...
How does it relate? Apparently your computer doesn't give you squiggly lines to help with reading comprehension. I kid, I kid.
Because it would surprise me that some heavy-footed activists in their younger days start to "mellow" a bit as they learn more and more and start to find middle ground or even switch sides. It works both ways. The only people that don't ever seem to do that are the politicians because for some reason, people perceive it as a weakness to change a point of view.
ha ha.... From what I've read by you on here, I honestly think they are much more grown-up and knowledgeable than you are.
Sure they are.
Palin believes Creationism should be taught in schools, believes the U.S. Army is on a mission from God, and believes rape victims should be forced to bear the child of their rapist.
Bachmann believes Carbon dioxide isn't harmful to humans, is a born-again Christian, and believes Macarthyist witch-hunts, and 'anti-American' activities committees should be re-introduced.
Clearly these are people you regard as 'grown-up' and 'worldly'. Or maybe not, but just because they happen to be conservatives you'll support them regardless of how bat-shit crazy they are.
I think Palin and Obama are grown ups. I never used the word "worldly" to my knowledge. I did use the word mature... and I also think both of these individuals are mature.
I don't support Palin. I also don't support Obama. If I had to pick, I'd hesitantly pick Palin. But, I absolutely do not support her.
Anyway, I don't blindly pledge allegiance to a party. I dislike and do not favor a lot of ideals that are Pro-Republican. The same, most likely, can't be said of many who lean left on here.
I don't support Palin. I also don't support Obama. If I had to pick, I'd hesitantly pick Palin. But, I absolutely do not support her.
So you admit that your vote - and perhaps even you're entire political stance rests on being anti-Democrat? You're not 'for' anything, just anti-something - Democratic politics.
Would you vote for Charles Manson if he ran for President on a Republican ticket?
I don't support Palin. I also don't support Obama. If I had to pick, I'd hesitantly pick Palin. But, I absolutely do not support her.
So you admit that your vote - and perhaps even you're entire political stance rests on being anti-Democrat? You're not 'for' anything, just anti-something - Democratic politics.
Would you vote for Charles Manson if he ran for President on a Republican ticket?
Wow. I can't believe I actually discuss political issues here. This is a mature argument.
No, I never said my entire political stance rests on being anti-Democrat. I just finished saying that I don't support all Republican ideals. Can you actually read?
I would not vote for Charles Manson if he ran for President. That was a really dumb argument. I don't know why I am engaging in this trivial nonsense.
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I find it amusing that you rubbish the report on the previous page by 'Go Beavers' simply because it was conducted by a group of sociologists, and yet you then post something by a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'.
No hypocrisy or double-standards here at all.
The bottom line is, this thread is a joke.
Is this an example of a grown-up and wordly Republican?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhbPVrb5KM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2WNKGZqpps
I'm not trying to be rude, but your posts add very little to debates.
I explained the article he posted was a response to the lore that as people age, they become conservative. There's plenty of research to support this. I showed an article that contained a Zogby chart. Does the "ZOGBY" chart deserve to be trashed? I dunno. I don't consider ZOGBY to have a conservative bias in the least...
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traditionally real change comes from youth with progressive principles guiding them. not from old men who want to maintain the status quo.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Except It isn't lore. It's horseshit. And your ZOGBY chart was posted on a webpage of a conservative 'organization dedicated to shaping debate'. You dismissed the other survey because it was conducted by sociologists - clearly you know nothing about sociology - but then you present this Conservative websites opinion as given fact.
No hypocrisy there at all.
Do you consider Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman people who are grown-up and knowledgable about the world?
Was Reagan grown-up and knowledgable about the world too? Isn't he the poster-boy of American conservatives?
Was the fact that he repeatedly lied to the American people, supported, funded, and protected death-squads in Latin America who murdered hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, and illegally sold arms to Iran, a result of his maturity and knowledge of the World?
Keep the "change" coming, I'll keep selling short.
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ha ha.... From what I've read by you on here, I honestly think they are much more grown-up and knowledgeable than you are. Spelling helps improve people's perception of your intelligence by the way.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
neither am i.
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Is he an example of a wise and wordly Republican?
And what about the other Conservative clowns, Palin & Bachmann? Are these people supposed to be considered grown-up and wordly?
but i stand by my point.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I asked you to provide any more examples of musicians becoming conservative, despite the case of John Lennon being highly debatable.
Why have you not been able to provide any? You got all giddy and excited after reading the OP so I figured you must have been able to provide at least one other example.
Awesome. So, do I.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I asked you about your spelling. You didn't comment.
Johnny Ramone is one. He was once quoted saying, "People drift towards liberalism at a young age, and I always hope they change when they see how the world really is."
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No he isn't. Johnny Ramone was a Republican in his teens.
Is that right?
sometimes it looks less bush league to just say nothing.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Sure they are.
Palin believes Creationism should be taught in schools, believes the U.S. Army is on a mission from God, and believes rape victims should be forced to bear the child of their rapist.
Bachmann believes Carbon dioxide isn't harmful to humans, is a born-again Christian, and believes Macarthyist witch-hunts, and 'anti-American' activities committees should be re-introduced.
Clearly these are people you regard as 'grown-up' and 'worldly'. Or maybe not, but just because they happen to be conservatives you'll support them regardless of how bat-shit crazy they are.
uhhh ... i would say some of the worst spellers on here are conservatives ... so, careful what you post ...
also, i think a good way of supporting your argument here is actually providing examples ...
Really? You're going to pile on this spelling thing?
It's not surprising that anyone's opinions and views change as they experience more things in life. If you aren't constantly re-evaluating your views and potentially changing them based upon recent learnings or experiences, then shame on you. As long as you can explain the reason behind your change in stance, there is no shame.
godfather is john lennon
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
the funny part about the spelling is ... (at least on my computer) ... it gives you the squiggly lines to tell you spelled something wrong ... and it gives you the right spelling ... so, really it's just laziness ...
i agree with your point ... but how does it relate to this thread!? ... i'm sure people in general shift their political views probably just as many go one way vs. another ...
the discussion with inlet13 is that he believes a lot of artists start out leaning left and then shift to the right ... some of us would like some examples to prove this ...
How does it relate? Apparently your computer doesn't give you squiggly lines to help with reading comprehension. I kid, I kid.
Because it would surprise me that some heavy-footed activists in their younger days start to "mellow" a bit as they learn more and more and start to find middle ground or even switch sides. It works both ways. The only people that don't ever seem to do that are the politicians because for some reason, people perceive it as a weakness to change a point of view.
I think Palin and Obama are grown ups. I never used the word "worldly" to my knowledge. I did use the word mature... and I also think both of these individuals are mature.
I don't support Palin. I also don't support Obama. If I had to pick, I'd hesitantly pick Palin. But, I absolutely do not support her.
Anyway, I don't blindly pledge allegiance to a party. I dislike and do not favor a lot of ideals that are Pro-Republican. The same, most likely, can't be said of many who lean left on here.
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So you admit that your vote - and perhaps even you're entire political stance rests on being anti-Democrat? You're not 'for' anything, just anti-something - Democratic politics.
Would you vote for Charles Manson if he ran for President on a Republican ticket?
Wow. I can't believe I actually discuss political issues here. This is a mature argument.
No, I never said my entire political stance rests on being anti-Democrat. I just finished saying that I don't support all Republican ideals. Can you actually read?
I would not vote for Charles Manson if he ran for President. That was a really dumb argument. I don't know why I am engaging in this trivial nonsense.
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No, but you'd still vote for them if it meant casting a vote against a Democrat, right?
No, I wouldn't. I would vote Libertarian most likely.
This is dumb.
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