what a joke.. someone disagrees with the death penalty and you're automatically defending a child rapist? :?
This Perry guy is obviously a victim of his environment. Kill, kill, kill...that's how he was probably brought up, thinking that is what solves the problem of murder and rape. It doesn't.
Please tell us what does solve rape and murder?
More love and appeasement?
I dont know the fix for this, but I do know the DP is not a deterrent for crimes like these.
I sure hope this guy runs for President. He is a bad ass. Tuff as nails and has GREAT hair.
He would get my vote for sure. Shit, I would take a leave from work to help spread the good word!
'The Texas governor is a vigorous advocate of the death penalty. He has overseen the execution of more than 200 men and is on the brink of entering the US presidential race with strong support of conservatives who back capital punishment.'
I'll say it again...anyone who supports the death penalty isn't worth the shit on the end of my shoe.
honest question..
if someone who wants a murderer that shoved a stick with a screw protruding from the end of it
into a girls vagina, then kills her
is not worth the shit on the end of your shoe,
then what is the murderer worth to you?
wtf did i write there
i had just got out of bed and typed that
sorry
the question i meant to ask was..
if the person who wants a murderer executed is not worth the shit on the end of your shoe
then what is the murderer worth to you?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
TX just fried a dirty murderer. I don't care what color he is or what country he's from.
You rape and murder children in that state and they fry your ass. That's my kind of state.
If you want to live in a state that tolerates child rape and murder, go ahead.
Byrnzie can be your neighbor.... yikes!
Who said anything about tolerating child rape and murder? There's a difference between tolerating child rape and murder and opposing the death penalty. Though clearly that nuance is beyond your comprehension.
Besides, how do you know he's even guilty?
Brynzie, you began with an intelligent response, then descended into insult (your usual tactic), but then asked a reasoned question of me.
No wonder nobody here takes you seriously. You're a drag.
But to help you w/ your question, the murderer's final words were:
"I have hurt a lot of people," Leal said during his final minutes Thursday. "I take full blame for everything. I am sorry for what I did."
"One more thing," he said, then twice shouted "Viva Mexico!" He told the prison warden he was ready, adding "let's get this show on the road."
According to his lawyers he was innocent of this crime, and was 'denied access to legal representation which Mexican diplomats would have offered.'
I guess he wasn't so innocent after all, huh?
"I am sorry for everything I have done," Leal said at the Huntsville facility before he was executed. "I have hurt a lot of people. Let this be final and be done. I take the full blame for this."
vetos a bill to ban texting and driving on the grounds that he doesn't want to micro-manage the citizens of this state.
Seriously though, what good are those laws? All it does is allow law enforcement to access your phone records after an accident to have you pay more $. It's not going to stop texting and driving.
It wasn't so much the veto, but his line of reasoning for the veto. He's hypocritical.
I don't see how anyone can condone texting and driving (not saying you are). Some studies have shown it is more dangerous than DWI. I usually only have to dodge drunk drivers at night or on the weekends. I have to dodge text drivers all day every day.
You could make your argument for drinking and driving too. Does that law stop people from doing it?
..GENEVA (AP) — The U.N.'s top human rights official says the U.S. breached international law when it executed a Mexican citizen.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Friday the Texas execution of Humberto Leal "raises particular legal concerns," including whether he had access to consular services and a fair trial.
Pillay also cited a 2004 International Court of Justice ruling saying the U.S. must review and reconsider the cases of 51 Mexican nationals sentenced to death, including Leal's — But, she said, that never happened.
Leal was executed Thursday despite a White House-backed appeal that claimed the case could affect foreigners arrested in the U.S. and Americans in legal trouble abroad.
Leal was sentenced to death for the 1994 rape and murder of a U.S. teenager.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don't see how anyone can condone texting and driving (not saying you are).
You could make your argument for drinking and driving too. Does that law stop people from doing it?
You are right, no one can.
Also, on your last sentence, solid point. Although, a cop can pull someone over and can easily determine whether or not they are drunk. I guess they could do the same if they had a legal right to confiscate your cell phone and check the messages, etc. But that seems a bit much. Anyway, bottom line people shouldn't be doing it and it does seem a bit hypocritical to veto that bill.
..GENEVA (AP) — The U.N.'s top human rights official says the U.S. breached international law when it executed a Mexican citizen.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Friday the Texas execution of Humberto Leal "raises particular legal concerns," including whether he had access to consular services and a fair trial.
Pillay also cited a 2004 International Court of Justice ruling saying the U.S. must review and reconsider the cases of 51 Mexican nationals sentenced to death, including Leal's — But, she said, that never happened.
Leal was executed Thursday despite a White House-backed appeal that claimed the case could affect foreigners arrested in the U.S. and Americans in legal trouble abroad.
Leal was sentenced to death for the 1994 rape and murder of a U.S. teenager.
It is an interesting issue. Not really sure what the right way to go is.
..GENEVA (AP) — The U.N.'s top human rights official says the U.S. breached international law when it executed a Mexican citizen.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Friday the Texas execution of Humberto Leal "raises particular legal concerns," including whether he had access to consular services and a fair trial.
Pillay also cited a 2004 International Court of Justice ruling saying the U.S. must review and reconsider the cases of 51 Mexican nationals sentenced to death, including Leal's — But, she said, that never happened.
Leal was executed Thursday despite a White House-backed appeal that claimed the case could affect foreigners arrested in the U.S. and Americans in legal trouble abroad.
Leal was sentenced to death for the 1994 rape and murder of a U.S. teenager.
Gimme, don't come on here quoting some UN official with the expectancy of respect.
The UN: taps North Korea to lead disarmament, Iran for Women's Rights Council, and China for Human Rights.
As a woman, I would think you'd be appalled at the UN's record on Women's rights.
..GENEVA (AP) — The U.N.'s top human rights official says the U.S. breached international law when it executed a Mexican citizen.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Friday the Texas execution of Humberto Leal "raises particular legal concerns," including whether he had access to consular services and a fair trial.
Pillay also cited a 2004 International Court of Justice ruling saying the U.S. must review and reconsider the cases of 51 Mexican nationals sentenced to death, including Leal's — But, she said, that never happened.
Leal was executed Thursday despite a White House-backed appeal that claimed the case could affect foreigners arrested in the U.S. and Americans in legal trouble abroad.
Leal was sentenced to death for the 1994 rape and murder of a U.S. teenager.
Gimme, don't come on here quoting some UN official with the expectancy of respect.
The UN: taps North Korea to lead disarmament, Iran for Women's Rights Council, and China for Human Rights.
As a woman, I would think you'd be appalled at the UN's record on Women's rights.
my point is the us may have broken international law. has nothing to do with the un's position on women, or whatever irrelevent topic you are trying to deflect to this time.
i don't care if you respect me or not. i know that breaks your heart, but i don't. i will contribute what i think furthers discussion in whatever thread i feel like contributing to. you don't like it? don't read my posts. it is that easy.
dispute my post in this case if you can. if not, move along. thanks.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The victim's mother, Rachel Terry, had called for the execution.
"A technicality doesn't give anyone a right to come to this country and rape, torture and murder anyone, in this case my daughter," she told CNN affiliate KSAT in San Antonio. Terry described her daughter as "a beautiful, bright, vibrant young woman, full of hope and aspirations."
"It's been difficult for myself and her family members," she added. "She certainly was taken away from us at a very young age. We just want closure."
Because anyone suggested that the law provided the right to murder or rape anyone? :roll:
"We just want closure", she said, whilst chomping at the bit to watch a man die.
What I don't understand is, the majority of Americans consider themselves Christians, and yet they also support murder, whilst rejecting one of the key tenets of their supposed religion: fogiveness.
Anyone spot any hypocrisy there?
I wonder if Jesus would support the death penalty?
if the person who wants a murderer executed is not worth the shit on the end of your shoe
then what is the murderer worth to you?
What is the murderer worth to me? Not a great deal. I think people that commit heinous crimes such as rape and murder should be put away for a very long time, if not for life. Most of them have serious mental issues and if society pretends to exist on some higher moral-ground then it shouldn't allow itself to descend to their level by murdering them in turn
As for people who support the death penalty; this type of murder is planned well in advance by supposedly rational people in the name of some alleged exalted moral ground, or ideology. It represents the lowest form of hypocrisy and arrogance. The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent, therefore it's carried out solely for the purpose of revenge. And any society that kills it's citizens in the name of revenge is a society riddled with sickness.
"I have yet to see a death case among the dozen coming to the Supreme Court on eve-of-execution stay applications in which the defendant was well represented at trial... People who are well represented at trial do not get the death penalty." -Ruth Bader Ginsburg, U.S. Supreme Court Justice
"Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders." -Albert Camus
'No government is innocent enough or wise enough or just enough to lay down to so absolute a power as death.
... the moral contradiction inherent in a policy which imitates the violence it claims to abhor and in fact premeditates it. ...
To assert, in any case, that a man must be absolutely cut off from society because he is absolutely evil amounts to saying that society is absolutely good, and no one in his right mind will believe this today. ...
What will be left of the power of example if it is proved that capital punishment has another power, and a very real one, which degrades men to the point of shame, madness, and murder?...
For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him to his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life. ...' - Albert Camus, "Reflections on the Guillotine," (1957)
'Since I was a law student, I have been against the death penalty. It does not deter. It is severely discriminatory against minorities, especially since they’re given no competent legal counsel defense in many cases. It’s a system that has to be perfect. You cannot execute one innocent person. No system is perfect. And to top it off, for those of you who are interested in the economics it, it costs more to pursue a capital case toward execution than it does to have full life imprisonment without parole.' - Ralph Nader, Meet the Press interview, Jun. 25, 2000
'It's just really tragic after all the horrors of the last 1,000 years we can't leave behind something as primitive as government sponsored execution.' - Russ Feingold
"It can be argued that rapists deserve to be raped, that mutilators deserve to be mutilated. Most societies, however, refrain from responding in this way because the punishment is not only degrading to those on whom it is imposed, but it is also degrading to the society that engages in the same behavior as the criminals." - Stephen Bright, human rights attorney
"I've been haunted by the men I was asked to execute in the name of the state of Florida. This is premeditated, carefully thought out ceremonial killing." - Ron McAndrew, former prison warden in Florida
..GENEVA (AP) — The U.N.'s top human rights official says the U.S. breached international law when it executed a Mexican citizen.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Friday the Texas execution of Humberto Leal "raises particular legal concerns," including whether he had access to consular services and a fair trial.
Pillay also cited a 2004 International Court of Justice ruling saying the U.S. must review and reconsider the cases of 51 Mexican nationals sentenced to death, including Leal's — But, she said, that never happened.
Leal was executed Thursday despite a White House-backed appeal that claimed the case could affect foreigners arrested in the U.S. and Americans in legal trouble abroad.
Leal was sentenced to death for the 1994 rape and murder of a U.S. teenager.
This of course is the same United Nations who routinely appoints murderers like Idi Amin to the Human Rights Council. We need to defund them and put that money towards useful ventures.
if the person who wants a murderer executed is not worth the shit on the end of your shoe
then what is the murderer worth to you?
What is the murderer worth to me? Not a great deal. I think people that commit heinous crimes such as rape and murder should be put away for a very long time, if not for life. Most of them have serious mental issues and if society pretends to exist on some higher moral-ground then it shouldn't allow itself to descend to their level by murdering them in turn
As for people who support the death penalty; this type of murder is planned well in advance by supposedly rational people in the name of some alleged exalted moral ground, or ideology. It represents the lowest form of hypocrisy and arrogance. The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent, therefore it's carried out solely for the purpose of revenge. And any society that kills it's citizens in the name of revenge is a society riddled with sickness.
"I have yet to see a death case among the dozen coming to the Supreme Court on eve-of-execution stay applications in which the defendant was well represented at trial... People who are well represented at trial do not get the death penalty." -Ruth Bader Ginsburg, U.S. Supreme Court Justice
"Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders." -Albert Camus
What was that little girl's life, hopes and dreams worth to you Byrnzie?
You dare to judge the mother of that girl? The mother that had her little child raped, and brains bashed in?
You say she "is chomping at the bit to watch a man die?"
How dare you?
I would tell you what I think of you, but I just joined the long list of PJ fans on here that find you too repulsive to acknowledge any longer.
On a level far removed from politics of the day...
Recent Texas governors have benefited from the state's law and order, string 'em up reputation. They talk tough about not having any reservations about executing criminals. What most people, particularly outside the state, don't know is that the governor is prohibited by the state constitution from commuting a death sentence. The most a Texas governor can do is grant a 30 day stay of execution while asking the Board of Pardons and Paroles to review the case. If the Board recommends that the sentence be commuted to life in prison, the governor may make the formal statement. So it would give the appearance that the governor is commuting the sentence but actually he cannot do so unless the Board makes the recommendation.
These events are extremely rare. A governor is unlikely to ask for a 30 day stay. It's only happened once since Texas reinstated the death penalty. Bush requested a stay for a convicted murderer after evidence showed that he was on death row for a murder he did not commit. However, he had been convicted of other murders so his sentence was commuted to life.
You don't hear about this aspect of the governor's role very often, even in Texas. It's to Perry's benefit, as it was to George Bush, that people think he takes a hard line against people who've been sentenced to death. He can posture about how he won't back down on criminals but he really has very little power to do it anyway.
Recent Texas governors have benefited from the state's law and order, string 'em up reputation. They talk tough about not having any reservations about executing criminals. What most people, particularly outside the state, don't know is that the governor is prohibited by the state constitution from commuting a death sentence. The most a Texas governor can do is grant a 30 day stay of execution while asking the Board of Pardons and Paroles to review the case. If the Board recommends that the sentence be commuted to life in prison, the governor may make the formal statement. So it would give the appearance that the governor is commuting the sentence but actually he cannot do so unless the Board makes the recommendation.
These events are extremely rare. A governor is unlikely to ask for a 30 day stay. It's only happened once since Texas reinstated the death penalty. Bush requested a stay for a convicted murderer after evidence showed that he was on death row for a murder he did not commit. However, he had been convicted of other murders so his sentence was commuted to life.
You don't hear about this aspect of the governor's role very often, even in Texas. It's to Perry's benefit, as it was to George Bush, that people think he takes a hard line against people who've been sentenced to death. He can posture about how he won't back down on criminals but he really has very little power to do it anyway.
So it would be fair to say that the People of Texas want their state to be this way? Wouldn't they vote to change it if they didn't?
The members of the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles are appointed by the governor. So while it is true the governor cannot commute a death sentence, he appoints the people who make/do not make the recommendations.
The people of Texas have no say in who gets appointed. The terms are 6 years. The only say we have is by who we elect as governor.
if the person who wants a murderer executed is not worth the shit on the end of your shoe
then what is the murderer worth to you?
What is the murderer worth to me? Not a great deal. I think people that commit heinous crimes such as rape and murder should be put away for a very long time, if not for life. Most of them have serious mental issues and if society pretends to exist on some higher moral-ground then it shouldn't allow itself to descend to their level by murdering them in turn
As for people who support the death penalty; this type of murder is planned well in advance by supposedly rational people in the name of some alleged exalted moral ground, or ideology. It represents the lowest form of hypocrisy and arrogance. The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent, therefore it's carried out solely for the purpose of revenge. And any society that kills it's citizens in the name of revenge is a society riddled with sickness.
"I have yet to see a death case among the dozen coming to the Supreme Court on eve-of-execution stay applications in which the defendant was well represented at trial... People who are well represented at trial do not get the death penalty." -Ruth Bader Ginsburg, U.S. Supreme Court Justice
"Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders." -Albert Camus
What was that little girl's life, hopes and dreams worth to you Byrnzie?
You dare to judge the mother of that girl? The mother that had her little child raped, and brains bashed in?
You say she "is chomping at the bit to watch a man die?"
How dare you?
I would tell you what I think of you, but I just joined the long list of PJ fans on here that find you too repulsive to acknowledge any longer.
On a level far removed from politics of the day...
on a human level.... of which you know nothing.
Many people on this board respect Byrnzie....You on the other hand
Recent Texas governors have benefited from the state's law and order, string 'em up reputation. They talk tough about not having any reservations about executing criminals. What most people, particularly outside the state, don't know is that the governor is prohibited by the state constitution from commuting a death sentence. The most a Texas governor can do is grant a 30 day stay of execution while asking the Board of Pardons and Paroles to review the case. If the Board recommends that the sentence be commuted to life in prison, the governor may make the formal statement. So it would give the appearance that the governor is commuting the sentence but actually he cannot do so unless the Board makes the recommendation.
These events are extremely rare. A governor is unlikely to ask for a 30 day stay. It's only happened once since Texas reinstated the death penalty. Bush requested a stay for a convicted murderer after evidence showed that he was on death row for a murder he did not commit. However, he had been convicted of other murders so his sentence was commuted to life.
You don't hear about this aspect of the governor's role very often, even in Texas. It's to Perry's benefit, as it was to George Bush, that people think he takes a hard line against people who've been sentenced to death. He can posture about how he won't back down on criminals but he really has very little power to do it anyway.
So it would be fair to say that the People of Texas want their state to be this way? Wouldn't they vote to change it if they didn't?
Yeah, most Texans like law and order and the death penalty. An awful lot of them don't like Rick Perry, so it's amazing to me that the man's still governor.
Flagg makes a good point about the Board of Pardons and Paroles. It's a mutually beneficial relationship with the Guv. I was trying to point out that the governor can talk all day about how tough he is on crime, it just really isn't much more than talk.
This of course is the same United Nations who routinely appoints murderers like Idi Amin to the Human Rights Council. We need to defund them and put that money towards useful ventures.
Because the U.S government has never supported any murderers, right?
You supported and funded Sadaam Hussein when he was gassing Kurds. You also supported and funded the Latin American death squads in the 1980's when they were raping and murdering tens of thousands of people.
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I dont know the fix for this, but I do know the DP is not a deterrent for crimes like these.
He would get my vote for sure. Shit, I would take a leave from work to help spread the good word!
wtf did i write there
i had just got out of bed and typed that
sorry
the question i meant to ask was..
if the person who wants a murderer executed is not worth the shit on the end of your shoe
then what is the murderer worth to you?
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Stay classy Byrnzie.
Brynzie, you began with an intelligent response, then descended into insult (your usual tactic), but then asked a reasoned question of me.
No wonder nobody here takes you seriously. You're a drag.
But to help you w/ your question, the murderer's final words were:
"I have hurt a lot of people," Leal said during his final minutes Thursday. "I take full blame for everything. I am sorry for what I did."
"One more thing," he said, then twice shouted "Viva Mexico!" He told the prison warden he was ready, adding "let's get this show on the road."
That's how I know he did it.
I guess he wasn't so innocent after all, huh?
"I am sorry for everything I have done," Leal said at the Huntsville facility before he was executed. "I have hurt a lot of people. Let this be final and be done. I take the full blame for this."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/07/tex ... ?hpt=hp_t2
It wasn't so much the veto, but his line of reasoning for the veto. He's hypocritical.
I don't see how anyone can condone texting and driving (not saying you are). Some studies have shown it is more dangerous than DWI. I usually only have to dodge drunk drivers at night or on the weekends. I have to dodge text drivers all day every day.
You could make your argument for drinking and driving too. Does that law stop people from doing it?
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
Also, if someone raped and murdered my entire family and then confessed to it and showed zero remorse you can bet I would want that person dead.
Therefore I can't say I'm against the death penalty but in 90% of cases I probably am against it.
Perry is a douche.
UN official: US execution of Leal broke int'l law
http://news.yahoo.com/un-official-us-ex ... 00028.html
..GENEVA (AP) — The U.N.'s top human rights official says the U.S. breached international law when it executed a Mexican citizen.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Friday the Texas execution of Humberto Leal "raises particular legal concerns," including whether he had access to consular services and a fair trial.
Pillay also cited a 2004 International Court of Justice ruling saying the U.S. must review and reconsider the cases of 51 Mexican nationals sentenced to death, including Leal's — But, she said, that never happened.
Leal was executed Thursday despite a White House-backed appeal that claimed the case could affect foreigners arrested in the U.S. and Americans in legal trouble abroad.
Leal was sentenced to death for the 1994 rape and murder of a U.S. teenager.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You are right, no one can.
Also, on your last sentence, solid point. Although, a cop can pull someone over and can easily determine whether or not they are drunk. I guess they could do the same if they had a legal right to confiscate your cell phone and check the messages, etc. But that seems a bit much. Anyway, bottom line people shouldn't be doing it and it does seem a bit hypocritical to veto that bill.
It is an interesting issue. Not really sure what the right way to go is.
Gimme, don't come on here quoting some UN official with the expectancy of respect.
The UN: taps North Korea to lead disarmament, Iran for Women's Rights Council, and China for Human Rights.
As a woman, I would think you'd be appalled at the UN's record on Women's rights.
i don't care if you respect me or not. i know that breaks your heart, but i don't. i will contribute what i think furthers discussion in whatever thread i feel like contributing to. you don't like it? don't read my posts. it is that easy.
dispute my post in this case if you can. if not, move along. thanks.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Parachute, you began by asuming that anyone who opposes the death penalty tolerates rape and murder. You then threw in an insult.
You then act all sanctimonious and accuse me of insulting people?
No hypocrisy there at all then. :roll:
"A technicality doesn't give anyone a right to come to this country and rape, torture and murder anyone, in this case my daughter," she told CNN affiliate KSAT in San Antonio. Terry described her daughter as "a beautiful, bright, vibrant young woman, full of hope and aspirations."
"It's been difficult for myself and her family members," she added. "She certainly was taken away from us at a very young age. We just want closure."
Because anyone suggested that the law provided the right to murder or rape anyone? :roll:
"We just want closure", she said, whilst chomping at the bit to watch a man die.
What I don't understand is, the majority of Americans consider themselves Christians, and yet they also support murder, whilst rejecting one of the key tenets of their supposed religion: fogiveness.
Anyone spot any hypocrisy there?
I wonder if Jesus would support the death penalty?
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What is the murderer worth to me? Not a great deal. I think people that commit heinous crimes such as rape and murder should be put away for a very long time, if not for life. Most of them have serious mental issues and if society pretends to exist on some higher moral-ground then it shouldn't allow itself to descend to their level by murdering them in turn
As for people who support the death penalty; this type of murder is planned well in advance by supposedly rational people in the name of some alleged exalted moral ground, or ideology. It represents the lowest form of hypocrisy and arrogance. The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent, therefore it's carried out solely for the purpose of revenge. And any society that kills it's citizens in the name of revenge is a society riddled with sickness.
"I have yet to see a death case among the dozen coming to the Supreme Court on eve-of-execution stay applications in which the defendant was well represented at trial... People who are well represented at trial do not get the death penalty."
-Ruth Bader Ginsburg, U.S. Supreme Court Justice
"Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders."
-Albert Camus
'No government is innocent enough or wise enough or just enough to lay down to so absolute a power as death.
... the moral contradiction inherent in a policy which imitates the violence it claims to abhor and in fact premeditates it. ...
To assert, in any case, that a man must be absolutely cut off from society because he is absolutely evil amounts to saying that society is absolutely good, and no one in his right mind will believe this today. ...
What will be left of the power of example if it is proved that capital punishment has another power, and a very real one, which degrades men to the point of shame, madness, and murder?...
For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him to his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life. ...'
- Albert Camus, "Reflections on the Guillotine," (1957)
'Since I was a law student, I have been against the death penalty. It does not deter. It is severely discriminatory against minorities, especially since they’re given no competent legal counsel defense in many cases. It’s a system that has to be perfect. You cannot execute one innocent person. No system is perfect. And to top it off, for those of you who are interested in the economics it, it costs more to pursue a capital case toward execution than it does to have full life imprisonment without parole.'
- Ralph Nader, Meet the Press interview, Jun. 25, 2000
'It's just really tragic after all the horrors of the last 1,000 years we can't leave behind something as primitive as government sponsored execution.'
- Russ Feingold
"It can be argued that rapists deserve to be raped, that mutilators deserve to be mutilated. Most societies, however, refrain from responding in this way because the punishment is not only degrading to those on whom it is imposed, but it is also degrading to the society that engages in the same behavior as the criminals."
- Stephen Bright, human rights attorney
"I've been haunted by the men I was asked to execute in the name of the state of Florida. This is premeditated, carefully thought out ceremonial killing."
- Ron McAndrew, former prison warden in Florida
This of course is the same United Nations who routinely appoints murderers like Idi Amin to the Human Rights Council. We need to defund them and put that money towards useful ventures.
What was that little girl's life, hopes and dreams worth to you Byrnzie?
You dare to judge the mother of that girl? The mother that had her little child raped, and brains bashed in?
You say she "is chomping at the bit to watch a man die?"
How dare you?
I would tell you what I think of you, but I just joined the long list of PJ fans on here that find you too repulsive to acknowledge any longer.
On a level far removed from politics of the day...
on a human level.... of which you know nothing.
Then again, maybe not. I mean he premeditated the murders of 30+ young women.
Live by the sword and die by the sword. Go Texas.
These events are extremely rare. A governor is unlikely to ask for a 30 day stay. It's only happened once since Texas reinstated the death penalty. Bush requested a stay for a convicted murderer after evidence showed that he was on death row for a murder he did not commit. However, he had been convicted of other murders so his sentence was commuted to life.
You don't hear about this aspect of the governor's role very often, even in Texas. It's to Perry's benefit, as it was to George Bush, that people think he takes a hard line against people who've been sentenced to death. He can posture about how he won't back down on criminals but he really has very little power to do it anyway.
So it would be fair to say that the People of Texas want their state to be this way? Wouldn't they vote to change it if they didn't?
The people of Texas have no say in who gets appointed. The terms are 6 years. The only say we have is by who we elect as governor.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
That's so Christian of you.
Many people on this board respect Byrnzie....You on the other hand
Everything on the Train has the tase of immaturity, but you overwhelm me.
Like the smell of vomit.
Flagg makes a good point about the Board of Pardons and Paroles. It's a mutually beneficial relationship with the Guv. I was trying to point out that the governor can talk all day about how tough he is on crime, it just really isn't much more than talk.
Because the U.S government has never supported any murderers, right?
You supported and funded Sadaam Hussein when he was gassing Kurds. You also supported and funded the Latin American death squads in the 1980's when they were raping and murdering tens of thousands of people.
But the U.N deserves your condemnation? :roll: