I am not rationalizing bad behavior... I see it is all I am saying.
To me it is no different than what others do as individuals.
It is not surprising to me that when money is involved it is a cover thy ass situation.
We see this everywhere.
And we see people abusing others everywhere too with no accountability.
And we see everyday people enabling those that abuse.
But happily we see good people, positive people, helping others as I mentioned in my first
post... the good far outweigh the few bad... this in the church, this everywhere.
its far worse than random individuals because a priest or a teacher is in a position of responsibilty over children and in a place of trust within communities, and when they use that responsibilty to abuse people it is far worse than individuals. coupled with the churches non reporting and ignoring of the problem within its structure they are certainly to blame for empowring and faciliating abusers by doing nothing about. so as a system and organisation the church deserves the bad name it has gotten from this abuse
Being at the hands of any abuser is 'far worse' in every situation,
most especially if you're the one being abused, or a loved one.
Can't really say one is worse than the other... it is all despicable
and should not be tolerated... yet it is.
Abuse is abuse
but some seem to think that certain abuse is worse than other abuse...
I don't
it all comes from the same place for me.
Until we face that, it won't get better, in my opinion.
Until the average joe can step up and see their part,
what they do to keep the cycle going... how can we expect reform,
and a kinder gentler world.
As I said before money plays a huge part in admitting guilt.
I would think that would be true for the church also....
cover thy ass.
Being at the hands of any abuser is 'far worse' in every situation,
most especially if you're the one being abused, or a loved one.
Can't really say one is worse than the other... it is all despicable
and should not be tolerated... yet it is.
Abuse is abuse
but some seem to think that certain abuse is worse than other abuse...
I don't
it all comes from the same place for me.
Until we face that, it won't get better, in my opinion.
Until the average joe can step up and see their part,
what they do to keep the cycle going... how can we expect reform,
and a kinder gentler world.
As I said before money plays a huge part in admitting guilt.
I would think that would be true for the church also....
cover thy ass.
yes but the church deserves special condemnation for the abuse for covering it up and protecting the abusers
special condemnation?
over other churches? over other organizations? over everyday people?
you see, for me, that wouldn't be true
hypocrites are everywhere not exclusive to one organization, one church,
they are everyday people
abuse is everywhere
for me abuse is abuse and should not be tolerated anywhere
should not be rationalized, befriended, covered up, or lightened up.
the thread topic is 60s culture blames for CATHOLIC church sex abuse. therefore thats the topic for discussion.
if you feel so strongly about other churches/organisations abusing children go find some links and stories and start a thread. dont give us a lecture about how ALL abuse is despicable and how we shouldnt be singling out the catholic church.
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special condemnation?
over other churches? over other organizations? over everyday people?
you see, for me, that wouldn't be true
hypocrites are everywhere not exclusive to one organization, one church,
they are everyday people
abuse is everywhere
for me abuse is abuse and should not be tolerated anywhere
should not be rationalized, befriended, covered up, or lightened up.
Sorry, but an organization denies any responsibility for the actions of its members and then goes on and blames society for its corruption deserves to be condemned. Every pedopreist should have been thrown from the organization. The fact that the Church has gone to such great lengths to protect these members is precisely why it deserves special condemnation.
Imagine if your local school board protected a group of child molesters on the grounds that they were the product of 60's culture. The public outcry would be insane! A teacher that is accused of so much as touching a child is immediately stripped of their teaching duties (rightly so). They certainly don't have the board's support, and if they are found guilty of the crime they won't have their union's support either. Honestly, what other organizations have gone to such great lengths to hind or protect pedophiles?
If you use a position of power to lure your victims into a compromising position you deserve every bit of condemnation you receive. When an organization as powerful and influential as the Catholic Church is involved the victims are at a severe disadvantage, particularly when the Church will not take responsibility for its members.
I did not say the Catholic Church had no guilt I said it is not special guilt to me
over other organizations and individuals. For me abuse is abuse none should be tolerated.
If some people believe that the Catholic Church is so much more to blame
than any other organization doing the same then that appears to me
to involve a predisposed personal opinion of the church itself.
I did not say the Catholic Church had no guilt I said it is not special guilt to me
over other organizations and individuals. For me abuse is abuse none should be tolerated.
If some people believe that the Catholic Church is so much more to blame
than any other organization doing the same then that appears to me
to involve a predisposed personal opinion of the church itself.
This I do not have.
What other organisations tried to cover up the abuse of its parishoners?
the catholic church needs to take responsibility for the actions of its people and stop giving excuses. they need to hang those abusers out to dry and it has to admit it handled the entire situation wrongly. id think any organisation found in the same position would be eager to distance itself from such heinous actions
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take a good look
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I did not say the Catholic Church had no guilt I said it is not special guilt to me
over other organizations and individuals. For me abuse is abuse none should be tolerated.
If some people believe that the Catholic Church is so much more to blame
than any other organization doing the same then that appears to me
to involve a predisposed personal opinion of the church itself.
This I do not have.
What other organisations tried to cover up the abuse of its parishoners?
Using the term parishioners you are only thinking of religious cases? :?
you said organizations....
I believe JW has had some trouble in the past decade.
As has the Boy Scouts ... now our Universities .... we could go on Lord knows,
these just come to mind.
I am not here to point out flaws in other religions and other organizations.
Abuse is everywhere, is my point...
with none being worse than the other, to me
the catholic church needs to take responsibility for the actions of its people and stop giving excuses. they need to hang those abusers out to dry and it has to admit it handled the entire situation wrongly. id think any organisation found in the same position would be eager to distance itself from such heinous actions
everyone needs to take responsibility in their part of abuse
Sorry, but an organization denies any responsibility for the actions of its members and then goes on and blames society for its corruption deserves to be condemned. Every pedopreist should have been thrown from the organization. The fact that the Church has gone to such great lengths to protect these members is precisely why it deserves special condemnation.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
the catholic church needs to take responsibility for the actions of its people and stop giving excuses. they need to hang those abusers out to dry and it has to admit it handled the entire situation wrongly. id think any organisation found in the same position would be eager to distance itself from such heinous actions
everyone needs to take responsibility in their part of abuse
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its far worse than random individuals because a priest or a teacher is in a position of responsibilty over children and in a place of trust within communities, and when they use that responsibilty to abuse people it is far worse than individuals. coupled with the churches non reporting and ignoring of the problem within its structure they are certainly to blame for empowring and faciliating abusers by doing nothing about. so as a system and organisation the church deserves the bad name it has gotten from this abuse
most especially if you're the one being abused, or a loved one.
Can't really say one is worse than the other... it is all despicable
and should not be tolerated... yet it is.
Abuse is abuse
but some seem to think that certain abuse is worse than other abuse...
I don't
it all comes from the same place for me.
Until we face that, it won't get better, in my opinion.
Until the average joe can step up and see their part,
what they do to keep the cycle going... how can we expect reform,
and a kinder gentler world.
As I said before money plays a huge part in admitting guilt.
I would think that would be true for the church also....
cover thy ass.
I will enlighten you...
http://www.google.com
Oh yes she does Jeanwah.
If there is an attack on the Catholic Church or any religion there will be people defending what they believe.
Do not pigeon hole this
topic.
This about abuse. Stop putting labels on things.
THIS is Pandora derailing a thread. The guidelines state to stay on topic. She can always create her own if she chooses.
yes but the church deserves special condemnation for the abuse for covering it up and protecting the abusers
over other churches? over other organizations? over everyday people?
you see, for me, that wouldn't be true
hypocrites are everywhere not exclusive to one organization, one church,
they are everyday people
abuse is everywhere
for me abuse is abuse and should not be tolerated anywhere
should not be rationalized, befriended, covered up, or lightened up.
the thread topic is 60s culture blames for CATHOLIC church sex abuse. therefore thats the topic for discussion.
if you feel so strongly about other churches/organisations abusing children go find some links and stories and start a thread. dont give us a lecture about how ALL abuse is despicable and how we shouldnt be singling out the catholic church.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
yes, yes, and yes
Sorry, but an organization denies any responsibility for the actions of its members and then goes on and blames society for its corruption deserves to be condemned. Every pedopreist should have been thrown from the organization. The fact that the Church has gone to such great lengths to protect these members is precisely why it deserves special condemnation.
Imagine if your local school board protected a group of child molesters on the grounds that they were the product of 60's culture. The public outcry would be insane! A teacher that is accused of so much as touching a child is immediately stripped of their teaching duties (rightly so). They certainly don't have the board's support, and if they are found guilty of the crime they won't have their union's support either. Honestly, what other organizations have gone to such great lengths to hind or protect pedophiles?
If you use a position of power to lure your victims into a compromising position you deserve every bit of condemnation you receive. When an organization as powerful and influential as the Catholic Church is involved the victims are at a severe disadvantage, particularly when the Church will not take responsibility for its members.
over other organizations and individuals. For me abuse is abuse none should be tolerated.
If some people believe that the Catholic Church is so much more to blame
than any other organization doing the same then that appears to me
to involve a predisposed personal opinion of the church itself.
This I do not have.
What other organisations tried to cover up the abuse of its parishoners?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
you said organizations....
I believe JW has had some trouble in the past decade.
As has the Boy Scouts ... now our Universities .... we could go on Lord knows,
these just come to mind.
I am not here to point out flaws in other religions and other organizations.
Abuse is everywhere, is my point...
with none being worse than the other, to me
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
You are nothing but a troll Pandora.
Quit attempting to derail the thread.