Ireland has some of the worst catholic abuse cases and religion and politics have been dominated by the catholic church. but finaly our politicians have the balls to stand up to the catholic church
Ireland has some of the worst catholic abuse cases and religion and politics have been dominated by the catholic church. but finaly our politicians have the balls to stand up to the catholic church
I did a quick google search and we have an embassy in the vatican...why does any country need an embassy in the vatican? Is it necessary? Could someone explain that?
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I did a quick google search and we have an embassy in the vatican...why does any country need an embassy in the vatican? Is it necessary? Could someone explain that?
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Ireland has some of the worst catholic abuse cases and religion and politics have been dominated by the catholic church. but finaly our politicians have the balls to stand up to the catholic church
My family was victimized by the Catholic church in Ireland through the old industrial school system so I am glad to see any separation of the government and the church there. Sadly, though, the government still has a long way to go. Anyone who has read the Ryan or Murphy reports knows that the state still hasn't taken a lot of the Catholic church's abuses seriously enough.
I did a quick google search and we have an embassy in the vatican...why does any country need an embassy in the vatican? Is it necessary? Could someone explain that?
the vatican or vatican city is its own political state
Some of them are just better at covering it up than others.
It doesn't help when the dudes running the show can't make out with chicks.
It's a silly premise. Most normal guys in developed countries wouldn't even consider the priesthood. Most the priests nowadays are from India or other foreign nations. I go to Mass usually twice a year, and I can't understand our priest's thick accent when it echos around the church.
I was an alter boy for ten years. Either I was lucky, or I'm not very attractive.
some accountability and almost none sound a lot alike to me
when there is money at stake .... cover up is the name of the game
this true for just about everyone
organizations, personal responsibility, everyone everywhere ... 'cover thy ass'
ok ... so what is your view on the actions of the catholic church?
Same as others who enable abusers, my view, on all levels it is wrong.
As wrong as those abusing and making victims of other human beings,
this on all levels. Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.
Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.
Agreed. But your original post seemed to make lite of the Catholic Church's role in their abusing, covering for them, justifying, rationalizing the abuse.....which is the topic of the thread. Good to see that you are in agreement that abuse & covering for abusers is wrong, no matter who is doing it.
Same as others who enable abusers, my view, on all levels it is wrong.
As wrong as those abusing and making victims of other human beings,
this on all levels. Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.
but ... we're talking about an institution here ... a very large and powerful one at that ... it appears you are trying to rationalize the behaviour of the catholic church by saying it happens everyday by a lot of people ... i'm not sure how many individuals are allowing and enabling the sexual abuse of children but i do know there aren't many institutions that are doing this ...
I am not rationalizing bad behavior... I see it is all I am saying.
To me it is no different than what others do as individuals.
It is not surprising to me that when money is involved it is a cover thy ass situation.
We see this everywhere.
And we see people abusing others everywhere too with no accountability.
And we see everyday people enabling those that abuse.
But happily we see good people, positive people, helping others as I mentioned in my first
post... the good far outweigh the few bad... this in the church, this everywhere.
I am not rationalizing bad behavior... I see it is all I am saying.
To me it is no different than what others do as individuals.
It is not surprising to me that when money is involved it is a cover thy ass situation.
We see this everywhere.
And we see people abusing others everywhere too with no accountability.
And we see everyday people enabling those that abuse.
But happily we see good people, positive people, helping others as I mentioned in my first
post... the good far outweigh the few bad... this in the church, this everywhere.
I agree that it is everywhere, but I don't agree that other institutions (e.g. universities, sports teams) are getting off as easily as the Catholic Church is. Seems like the Catholic Church is either paying some hefty hush money or they have some other form of power over those who might blow the whistle.
Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.
Agreed. But your original post seemed to make lite of the Catholic Church's role in their abusing, covering for them, justifying, rationalizing the abuse.....which is the topic of the thread. Good to see that you are in agreement that abuse & covering for abusers is wrong, no matter who is doing it.
One would think everyone would believe that wouldn't one?
That no one would make light of abuse towards another human being.
One would think everyone would believe that wouldn't one?
That no one would make light of abuse towards another human being.
That's exactly the point. The hierarchy of the Catholic Church IS making light of abuse towards children. Not just with sexual abuse, but with physical and emotional abuse also. At least in Ireland, the Catholic Church as gone largely unquestioned and unchecked for a very long time. Even the latest attempts to uncover the abuses has been met with stalling and minimizing by the church officials.
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/catholic-bisho ... 23009.html
didn't fix sandusky
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo5MXrqbDeA
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/ ... D120111104
if only more people of power had that righteousness ...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
i can not explain it.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
My family was victimized by the Catholic church in Ireland through the old industrial school system so I am glad to see any separation of the government and the church there. Sadly, though, the government still has a long way to go. Anyone who has read the Ryan or Murphy reports knows that the state still hasn't taken a lot of the Catholic church's abuses seriously enough.
the vatican or vatican city is its own political state
Some of them are just better at covering it up than others.
It's a silly premise. Most normal guys in developed countries wouldn't even consider the priesthood. Most the priests nowadays are from India or other foreign nations. I go to Mass usually twice a year, and I can't understand our priest's thick accent when it echos around the church.
I was an alter boy for ten years. Either I was lucky, or I'm not very attractive.
a lot of coachs, clowns, teachers, pediatricians, councilors, police officers, neighbors, fathers, mothers,
grandparents etc etc
that are really good people and would never dream of hurting a child
really!?? ... what other groups are enabling and covering up child sex abuse?
maybe Penn State comes to mind though :?
and look what is happening there ... at least there is some accountability there for their cover up vs. almost nothing from the catholic church ...
when there is money at stake .... cover up is the name of the game
this true for just about everyone
organizations, personal responsibility, everyone everywhere ... 'cover thy ass'
ok ... so what is your view on the actions of the catholic church?
As wrong as those abusing and making victims of other human beings,
this on all levels. Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.
but ... we're talking about an institution here ... a very large and powerful one at that ... it appears you are trying to rationalize the behaviour of the catholic church by saying it happens everyday by a lot of people ... i'm not sure how many individuals are allowing and enabling the sexual abuse of children but i do know there aren't many institutions that are doing this ...
To me it is no different than what others do as individuals.
It is not surprising to me that when money is involved it is a cover thy ass situation.
We see this everywhere.
And we see people abusing others everywhere too with no accountability.
And we see everyday people enabling those that abuse.
But happily we see good people, positive people, helping others as I mentioned in my first
post... the good far outweigh the few bad... this in the church, this everywhere.
That no one would make light of abuse towards another human being.
You can not be this naive.
apparently i am ... please enlighten me ...
one would think
no one would make light of abuse that makes another human being a victim
until this can be a true statement in our everyday life amongst each other
abuse remains acceptable
Oh no you don't, Pandora.
You will not hijack this thread. Either keep it on topic or leave.
This thread is about the Catholic church scandal. If you don't want to discuss this, make your own thread.