60s culture blamed for Catholic Church Sex Abuse

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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    another free pass for a member of the catholic church ...

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/catholic-bisho ... 23009.html
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    people need to have sex, it's really just that simple, if they started letting preist get married it would go a long way to fixing this.

    didn't fix sandusky
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    Ireland has some of the worst catholic abuse cases and religion and politics have been dominated by the catholic church. but finaly our politicians have the balls to stand up to the catholic church

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo5MXrqbDeA

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/ ... D120111104
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    satansbed wrote:
    Ireland has some of the worst catholic abuse cases and religion and politics have been dominated by the catholic church. but finaly our politicians have the balls to stand up to the catholic church

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo5MXrqbDeA

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/ ... D120111104

    if only more people of power had that righteousness ...
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I did a quick google search and we have an embassy in the vatican...why does any country need an embassy in the vatican? Is it necessary? Could someone explain that?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I did a quick google search and we have an embassy in the vatican...why does any country need an embassy in the vatican? Is it necessary? Could someone explain that?

    i can not explain it.
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  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,349
    satansbed wrote:
    Ireland has some of the worst catholic abuse cases and religion and politics have been dominated by the catholic church. but finaly our politicians have the balls to stand up to the catholic church

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo5MXrqbDeA

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/ ... D120111104

    My family was victimized by the Catholic church in Ireland through the old industrial school system so I am glad to see any separation of the government and the church there. Sadly, though, the government still has a long way to go. Anyone who has read the Ryan or Murphy reports knows that the state still hasn't taken a lot of the Catholic church's abuses seriously enough.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I did a quick google search and we have an embassy in the vatican...why does any country need an embassy in the vatican? Is it necessary? Could someone explain that?

    the vatican or vatican city is its own political state
  • DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    This happens in all organized religions.

    Some of them are just better at covering it up than others.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Danimal wrote:
    This happens in all organized religions.

    Some of them are just better at covering it up than others.
    It doesn't help when the dudes running the show can't make out with chicks.

    It's a silly premise. Most normal guys in developed countries wouldn't even consider the priesthood. Most the priests nowadays are from India or other foreign nations. I go to Mass usually twice a year, and I can't understand our priest's thick accent when it echos around the church.

    I was an alter boy for ten years. Either I was lucky, or I'm not very attractive.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I wonder why so many priests are abusers?
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    there's a lot of priests, pastors, clergy in the world ...

    a lot of coachs, clowns, teachers, pediatricians, councilors, police officers, neighbors, fathers, mothers,
    grandparents etc etc


    that are really good people and would never dream of hurting a child
  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,349
    pandora wrote:
    there's a lot of priests, pastors, clergy in the world ...

    a lot of coachs, clowns, teachers, pediatricians, councilors, police officers, neighbors, fathers, mothers,
    grandparents etc etc


    that are really good people and would never dream of hurting a child
    that's true, but the problem is that the leadership of the Catholic Church has enabled those who do hurt children.
    It's nice to be nice to the nice.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    dasvidana wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    there's a lot of priests, pastors, clergy in the world ...

    a lot of coachs, clowns, teachers, pediatricians, councilors, police officers, neighbors, fathers, mothers,
    grandparents etc etc


    that are really good people and would never dream of hurting a child
    that's true, but the problem is that the leadership of the Catholic Church has enabled those who do hurt children.
    Lots of people enable abusers everyday everywhere...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pandora wrote:
    Lots of people enable abusers everyday everywhere...

    really!?? ... what other groups are enabling and covering up child sex abuse?
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    polaris_x wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Lots of people enable abusers everyday everywhere...

    really!?? ... what other groups are enabling and covering up child sex abuse?
    Did I say groups?

    maybe Penn State comes to mind though :?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pandora wrote:
    Did I say groups?

    maybe Penn State comes to mind though :?

    and look what is happening there ... at least there is some accountability there for their cover up vs. almost nothing from the catholic church ...
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    some accountability and almost none sound a lot alike to me

    when there is money at stake .... cover up is the name of the game

    this true for just about everyone
    organizations, personal responsibility, everyone everywhere ... 'cover thy ass'
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pandora wrote:
    some accountability and almost none sound a lot alike to me

    when there is money at stake .... cover up is the name of the game

    this true for just about everyone
    organizations, personal responsibility, everyone everywhere ... 'cover thy ass'

    ok ... so what is your view on the actions of the catholic church?
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    polaris_x wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    some accountability and almost none sound a lot alike to me

    when there is money at stake .... cover up is the name of the game

    this true for just about everyone
    organizations, personal responsibility, everyone everywhere ... 'cover thy ass'

    ok ... so what is your view on the actions of the catholic church?
    Same as others who enable abusers, my view, on all levels it is wrong.

    As wrong as those abusing and making victims of other human beings,
    this on all levels. Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
    all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.
  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,349
    pandora wrote:
    Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
    all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.
    Agreed. But your original post seemed to make lite of the Catholic Church's role in their abusing, covering for them, justifying, rationalizing the abuse.....which is the topic of the thread. Good to see that you are in agreement that abuse & covering for abusers is wrong, no matter who is doing it.
    It's nice to be nice to the nice.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pandora wrote:
    Same as others who enable abusers, my view, on all levels it is wrong.

    As wrong as those abusing and making victims of other human beings,
    this on all levels. Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
    all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.

    but ... we're talking about an institution here ... a very large and powerful one at that ... it appears you are trying to rationalize the behaviour of the catholic church by saying it happens everyday by a lot of people ... i'm not sure how many individuals are allowing and enabling the sexual abuse of children but i do know there aren't many institutions that are doing this ...
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I am not rationalizing bad behavior... I see it is all I am saying.

    To me it is no different than what others do as individuals.

    It is not surprising to me that when money is involved it is a cover thy ass situation.
    We see this everywhere.

    And we see people abusing others everywhere too with no accountability.
    And we see everyday people enabling those that abuse.

    But happily we see good people, positive people, helping others as I mentioned in my first
    post... the good far outweigh the few bad... this in the church, this everywhere.
  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,349
    pandora wrote:
    I am not rationalizing bad behavior... I see it is all I am saying.

    To me it is no different than what others do as individuals.

    It is not surprising to me that when money is involved it is a cover thy ass situation.
    We see this everywhere.

    And we see people abusing others everywhere too with no accountability.
    And we see everyday people enabling those that abuse.

    But happily we see good people, positive people, helping others as I mentioned in my first
    post... the good far outweigh the few bad... this in the church, this everywhere.
    I agree that it is everywhere, but I don't agree that other institutions (e.g. universities, sports teams) are getting off as easily as the Catholic Church is. Seems like the Catholic Church is either paying some hefty hush money or they have some other form of power over those who might blow the whistle.
    It's nice to be nice to the nice.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    dasvidana wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Befriend an abuser, cover for them, justify, rationalize,
    all wrong and people do it everyday everywhere.
    Agreed. But your original post seemed to make lite of the Catholic Church's role in their abusing, covering for them, justifying, rationalizing the abuse.....which is the topic of the thread. Good to see that you are in agreement that abuse & covering for abusers is wrong, no matter who is doing it.
    One would think everyone would believe that wouldn't one?
    That no one would make light of abuse towards another human being.
  • DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    polaris_x wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Lots of people enable abusers everyday everywhere...

    really!?? ... what other groups are enabling and covering up child sex abuse?

    You can not be this naive.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Danimal wrote:
    You can not be this naive.

    apparently i am ... please enlighten me ...
  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,349
    pandora wrote:
    One would think everyone would believe that wouldn't one?
    That no one would make light of abuse towards another human being.
    That's exactly the point. The hierarchy of the Catholic Church IS making light of abuse towards children. Not just with sexual abuse, but with physical and emotional abuse also. At least in Ireland, the Catholic Church as gone largely unquestioned and unchecked for a very long time. Even the latest attempts to uncover the abuses has been met with stalling and minimizing by the church officials.
    It's nice to be nice to the nice.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    it's important to recognize all abuse not just some abuse done by some people

    one would think
    no one would make light of abuse that makes another human being a victim

    until this can be a true statement in our everyday life amongst each other
    abuse remains acceptable
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited November 2011
    pandora wrote:
    it's important to recognize all abuse not just some abuse done by some people

    one would think
    no one would make light of abuse that makes another human being a victim

    until this can be a true statement in our everyday life amongst each other
    abuse remains acceptable

    Oh no you don't, Pandora.

    You will not hijack this thread. Either keep it on topic or leave.

    This thread is about the Catholic church scandal. If you don't want to discuss this, make your own thread.
    Post edited by Jeanwah on
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