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    How about a food drive to help out those who have little or none.
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    LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    How about a food drive to help out those who have little or none.
    Hey that's a lovely idea! Think we should definitely look into doing this! :thumbup:
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,947
    Loulou wrote:
    How about a food drive to help out those who have little or none.
    Hey that's a lovely idea! Think we should definitely look into doing this! :thumbup:
    Yes! How could we make this work?

    p.s. Lovely photo, Loulou, but isn't it still summer Down Under? :D
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    LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    brianlux wrote:
    Loulou wrote:
    How about a food drive to help out those who have little or none.
    Hey that's a lovely idea! Think we should definitely look into doing this! :thumbup:
    Yes! How could we make this work?

    p.s. Lovely photo, Loulou, but isn't it still summer Down Under? :D
    Hehehe :)
    Yes and it's BOILING! HEEEELLLLP! :o:lol:
    This was taken in Christchurch New Zealand actually. Never gets cold enough here for a jacket like that. ;) well spotted! :D
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    GivenToLukinKPGivenToLukinKP Chicago Posts: 3,076
    Lorna you and Michael are so cute!! :) great pic, mate!

    I'm all for a new project! Food drives are great but would be expensive if we did anything other than in our own communities. In the past we have raised money for gift cards to local grocers for those in need around here. That would probably be logistically easier?

    If anyone knows of a recipient who we might be able to help, let us know! :)
    Makes much more sense...

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    LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    Lorna you and Michael are so cute!! :) great pic, mate!

    I'm all for a new project! Food drives are great but would be expensive if we did anything other than in our own communities. In the past we have raised money for gift cards to local grocers for those in need around here. That would probably be logistically easier?

    If anyone knows of a recipient who we might be able to help, let us know! :)
    Thanks Kel! :D had great time in NZ very nice people, it's sad that Christchurch has had such a rough time. :(
    Yeah I think your right, it would be logistically easier. ;)
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    brianlux wrote:
    Loulou wrote:
    How about a food drive to help out those who have little or none.
    Hey that's a lovely idea! Think we should definitely look into doing this! :thumbup:
    Yes! How could we make this work?

    p.s. Lovely photo, Loulou, but isn't it still summer Down Under? :D

    Just throwing out ideas here, but a torrent site I use did a food drive contest thing last month. The way they did it was they had users go drop off food at a food bank or whatever and they needed to take a picture of the food that they took, and hold up a sign in front of it with their username written on it to verify they actually did it. For each can or box of food that they donated they got their name put into a hat for a drawing of whatever the prizes were. So if we could come up with some prizes we could use this approach if you guys like the idea.
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    ogey38ogey38 Posts: 563
    Just throwing out ideas here, but a torrent site I use did a food drive contest thing last month. The way they did it was they had users go drop off food at a food bank or whatever and they needed to take a picture of the food that they took, and hold up a sign in front of it with their username written on it to verify they actually did it. For each can or box of food that they donated they got their name put into a hat for a drawing of whatever the prizes were. So if we could come up with some prizes we could use this approach if you guys like the idea.

    This is a great idea! Sounds pretty cut & dry. If I can help at all, please don't hesitate.
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    LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    Hey everyone!
    Hope everyone is fighting fit and happy! Just thought I would help to bring more attention to this thread that Suziemay has started. Great cause folks, check it out!!!!! :D

    viewtopic.php?f=4&t=183252
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,947
    Loulou wrote:
    Hey everyone!
    Hope everyone is fighting fit and happy! Just thought I would help to bring more attention to this thread that Suziemay has started. Great cause folks, check it out!!!!! :D

    http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic ... 4&t=183252

    Job well done, Suziemay. Bump Loulou's post- this is well worth checking out. :D
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    WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,664
    Hey Kelly! Is your inbox full? I have 3 PM's for you that won't send. :?
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    GivenToLukinKPGivenToLukinKP Chicago Posts: 3,076
    imalive wrote:
    Hey Kelly! Is your inbox full? I have 3 PM's for you that won't send. :?


    :wave:
    I just haven't been on in 10 days or so:)

    Anyone that had sent me a PM, bear with me....I had 28 messages to go thru and respond to so it may take a while.

    Hope all my friends here are well! :D
    Makes much more sense...

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,947
    imalive wrote:
    Hey Kelly! Is your inbox full? I have 3 PM's for you that won't send. :?


    :wave:
    I just haven't been on in 10 days or so:)

    Anyone that had sent me a PM, bear with me....I had 28 messages to go thru and respond to so it may take a while.

    Hope all my friends here are well! :D
    :wave:
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    WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,664


    :wave:
    I just haven't been on in 10 days or so:)

    WHAT???????? :shock: :wtf: :lol:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    What a wonderful idea!! Count me in. Whatever I can do to help, just let me know.

    :clap: :thumbup: :-D
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    WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,664
    this is a great thread. I was just thinking of kelly the other day and wondering if BATW was still doing their good work.

    well......are they? :?
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    dwhite76dwhite76 Posts: 2,801
    imalive wrote:
    this is a great thread. I was just thinking of kelly the other day and wondering if BATW was still doing their good work.

    well......are they? :?

    We are always helping members but not always as the collective group that started BATW up. We ran into issues of trying to become "legal" in the sense of taking donations but the cost was way to much. Some of us got busy with work and I came down with health issues of my own.

    I know Kelly is and has always helped when ever she could. She is a great girl. Jo has done the same from what I have seen and she is always looking to help people anyway she could.

    Maybe we will have a encore in the near future :)

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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    I will help, anyway I can help I will, this is the best thread ever, even though I could use assistance myself, I have been clean and sober for 9 years, unfortunately as someone who got addicted to meth, my teeth have paid the price, ironically, it was going to a Pearl Jam concert in 2006 that changed my life, even though I had seen them 11 times between 1993 and 1998 and they were my favorite band, I got sidetracked in life, got into the wrong relationship, but I am not going to bore anyone with the details of that, anyway I need to get all my teeth pulled and a set of dentures, pieces of my teeth break off almost weely at this point if anyone knows a dentist that could provide dental services at a discounted rate, the lowest quote I have gotten is $4000 which is out of my price range and I have no insurance, because I shot up the meth the impact on my teeth wasn't immediate and it is only years later as the chemicals work their way out of my body and yes the teeth are the easiest escape route for the chemicals to exit so essentially for the last decade my teeth have been rotting from the inside out and the chemicals in many toothpastes and mouthwash can cause negative chemical reactions with the ingredients for the meth, so the total damage is just now being realized. I realize it was my fault for getting into drugs, but I have been clean (I do smoke an joint every now and then, but no hard drugs) but being clean and never being able to smile because you know the reaction it will get is only a partial victory. It is hard to come forth and admit all this, but if my story helps anyone out, even a little bit, then it is worth telling it, anyway, let me know anyway I can help, and if anyone knows any dentists that could help, I can get the time off of work and I would drive there, thanks for taking time to read this, thanks
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    LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    dwhite76 wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    this is a great thread. I was just thinking of kelly the other day and wondering if BATW was still doing their good work.

    well......are they? :?

    We are always helping members but not always as the collective group that started BATW up. We ran into issues of trying to become "legal" in the sense of taking donations but the cost was way to much. Some of us got busy with work and I came down with health issues of my own.

    I know Kelly is and has always helped when ever she could. She is a great girl. Jo has done the same from what I have seen and she is always looking to help people anyway she could.

    Maybe we will have a encore in the near future :)

    Yes we are still "Alive" riding like Bugs Amongst The Waves in this world we call life
    I was thinking about this the other day. Would love to help again. ;) I have been a little busy with Purple Day for epilepsy recently. Looking at raising some awareness through a giveaway in the next few days as well as a kids giveaway too with some cute Purple Day merch.
    Big Hank, may I just say that your inspirational, it's not every day that you hear about people who kicked habits like yours for good. You should be incredibly proud of yourself. ;)
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    Loulou wrote:
    dwhite76 wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    this is a great thread. I was just thinking of kelly the other day and wondering if BATW was still doing their good work.

    well......are they? :?

    We are always helping members but not always as the collective group that started BATW up. We ran into issues of trying to become "legal" in the sense of taking donations but the cost was way to much. Some of us got busy with work and I came down with health issues of my own.

    I know Kelly is and has always helped when ever she could. She is a great girl. Jo has done the same from what I have seen and she is always looking to help people anyway she could.

    Maybe we will have a encore in the near future :)

    Yes we are still "Alive" riding like Bugs Amongst The Waves in this world we call life
    I was thinking about this the other day. Would love to help again. ;) I have been a little busy with Purple Day for epilepsy recently. Looking at raising some awareness through a giveaway in the next few days as well as a kids giveaway too with some cute Purple Day merch.
    Big Hank, may I just say that your inspirational, it's not every day that you hear about people who kicked habits like yours for good. You should be incredibly proud of yourself. ;)
    thanks, honestly I can say Pearl Jam saved my life, I have no doubt I would be dead at this point, if not for reconnecting with favorite band, listening to pearl jam radio in my car every day, helps me remember the messages of inspiration in the music
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    dwhite76dwhite76 Posts: 2,801
    Loulou wrote:
    dwhite76 wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    this is a great thread. I was just thinking of kelly the other day and wondering if BATW was still doing their good work.

    well......are they? :?

    We are always helping members but not always as the collective group that started BATW up. We ran into issues of trying to become "legal" in the sense of taking donations but the cost was way to much. Some of us got busy with work and I came down with health issues of my own.

    I know Kelly is and has always helped when ever she could. She is a great girl. Jo has done the same from what I have seen and she is always looking to help people anyway she could.

    Maybe we will have a encore in the near future :)

    Yes we are still "Alive" riding like Bugs Amongst The Waves in this world we call life
    I was thinking about this the other day. Would love to help again. ;) I have been a little busy with Purple Day for epilepsy recently. Looking at raising some awareness through a giveaway in the next few days as well as a kids giveaway too with some cute Purple Day merch.
    Big Hank, may I just say that your inspirational, it's not every day that you hear about people who kicked habits like yours for good. You should be incredibly proud of yourself. ;)



    I didnt forget about you Loulou :D I was typing with my phone and it sucks. Plus I never know if messages or posts ever get through when sending with my phone.

    Loulou you too are a major asset with the BATW. If not for you are art department would not exist. :lol:
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    LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    Poor me!!!!!! :cry::cry:
    Just kidding Don! :lol: it's all good mate. Hope all is well! :D
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    DURPDURP OhighO Posts: 2,180
    I will help, anyway I can help I will, this is the best thread ever, even though I could use assistance myself, I have been clean and sober for 9 years, unfortunately as someone who got addicted to meth, my teeth have paid the price, ironically, it was going to a Pearl Jam concert in 2006 that changed my life, even though I had seen them 11 times between 1993 and 1998 and they were my favorite band, I got sidetracked in life, got into the wrong relationship, but I am not going to bore anyone with the details of that, anyway I need to get all my teeth pulled and a set of dentures, pieces of my teeth break off almost weely at this point if anyone knows a dentist that could provide dental services at a discounted rate, the lowest quote I have gotten is $4000 which is out of my price range and I have no insurance, because I shot up the meth the impact on my teeth wasn't immediate and it is only years later as the chemicals work their way out of my body and yes the teeth are the easiest escape route for the chemicals to exit so essentially for the last decade my teeth have been rotting from the inside out and the chemicals in many toothpastes and mouthwash can cause negative chemical reactions with the ingredients for the meth, so the total damage is just now being realized. I realize it was my fault for getting into drugs, but I have been clean (I do smoke an joint every now and then, but no hard drugs) but being clean and never being able to smile because you know the reaction it will get is only a partial victory. It is hard to come forth and admit all this, but if my story helps anyone out, even a little bit, then it is worth telling it, anyway, let me know anyway I can help, and if anyone knows any dentists that could help, I can get the time off of work and I would drive there, thanks for taking time to read this, thanks

    Good job brother. Wish my brother in law could kick his pill, meth, coke, crack and booze habit. He died twice and yet that wasn't enough motivation to get sober.

    Stay strong man. If I were I would look into possible programs that help with dental bills and what not.
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    STAYSEASTAYSEA Posts: 3,814
    DURP wrote:
    I will help, anyway I can help I will, this is the best thread ever, even though I could use assistance myself, I have been clean and sober for 9 years, unfortunately as someone who got addicted to meth, my teeth have paid the price, ironically, it was going to a Pearl Jam concert in 2006 that changed my life, even though I had seen them 11 times between 1993 and 1998 and they were my favorite band, I got sidetracked in life, got into the wrong relationship, but I am not going to bore anyone with the details of that, anyway I need to get all my teeth pulled and a set of dentures, pieces of my teeth break off almost weely at this point if anyone knows a dentist that could provide dental services at a discounted rate, the lowest quote I have gotten is $4000 which is out of my price range and I have no insurance, because I shot up the meth the impact on my teeth wasn't immediate and it is only years later as the chemicals work their way out of my body and yes the teeth are the easiest escape route for the chemicals to exit so essentially for the last decade my teeth have been rotting from the inside out and the chemicals in many toothpastes and mouthwash can cause negative chemical reactions with the ingredients for the meth, so the total damage is just now being realized. I realize it was my fault for getting into drugs, but I have been clean (I do smoke an joint every now and then, but no hard drugs) but being clean and never being able to smile because you know the reaction it will get is only a partial victory. It is hard to come forth and admit all this, but if my story helps anyone out, even a little bit, then it is worth telling it, anyway, let me know anyway I can help, and if anyone knows any dentists that could help, I can get the time off of work and I would drive there, thanks for taking time to read this, thanks

    Good job brother. Wish my brother in law could kick his pill, meth, coke, crack and booze habit. He died twice and yet that wasn't enough motivation to get sober.

    Stay strong man. If I were I would look into possible programs that help with dental bills and what not.


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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    DURP wrote:
    I will help, anyway I can help I will, this is the best thread ever, even though I could use assistance myself, I have been clean and sober for 9 years, unfortunately as someone who got addicted to meth, my teeth have paid the price, ironically, it was going to a Pearl Jam concert in 2006 that changed my life, even though I had seen them 11 times between 1993 and 1998 and they were my favorite band, I got sidetracked in life, got into the wrong relationship, but I am not going to bore anyone with the details of that, anyway I need to get all my teeth pulled and a set of dentures, pieces of my teeth break off almost weely at this point if anyone knows a dentist that could provide dental services at a discounted rate, the lowest quote I have gotten is $4000 which is out of my price range and I have no insurance, because I shot up the meth the impact on my teeth wasn't immediate and it is only years later as the chemicals work their way out of my body and yes the teeth are the easiest escape route for the chemicals to exit so essentially for the last decade my teeth have been rotting from the inside out and the chemicals in many toothpastes and mouthwash can cause negative chemical reactions with the ingredients for the meth, so the total damage is just now being realized. I realize it was my fault for getting into drugs, but I have been clean (I do smoke an joint every now and then, but no hard drugs) but being clean and never being able to smile because you know the reaction it will get is only a partial victory. It is hard to come forth and admit all this, but if my story helps anyone out, even a little bit, then it is worth telling it, anyway, let me know anyway I can help, and if anyone knows any dentists that could help, I can get the time off of work and I would drive there, thanks for taking time to read this, thanks

    Good job brother. Wish my brother in law could kick his pill, meth, coke, crack and booze habit. He died twice and yet that wasn't enough motivation to get sober.

    Stay strong man. If I were I would look into possible programs that help with dental bills and what not.
    that is the problem in this country, most dental insurance sucks, 1000.00 coverage limit per year on most plans, and there are no financial assistance programs to help people with major dental work, there are programs for kids, which is really BS, because their teeth are going to fall out anyway, I would like to start a charity Smiles For Sobriety, a program to help people who have kicked drugs and want to be productive members of society, but their dental issues are preventing them from feeling like they can be themselves, but not even sure how I would go about starting something like that, plus it might give some people out their incentive to kick their habits
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