Best thread title ever

keeponrockin

Everyone, no matter the crime, deserves the fair trial. Didn't the Nazi's get a fair trial, even though their crimes were the worst humanity has ever seen?

I don't want to live in a society without fair trials.

dimitrispearljam

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

and what if was your son did the crime?or they put fake evidence???or under the pressure of society they must find someone to pay..and find your son??will the bullet fell more expensive than 99 cents?..would you like a fair trial???

dimitrispearljam

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

do away with fair trials?

is this post real? or just winding people up?

Not winding anyone up.
The guy ran away it is obvious he is guilty.
I did not say we must get rid of fair trials, only in cases such as this one where there is proof and a child is involved.

so,if there is a proof and after a fair trial they found him guilty is all good for me..give him the biggest penalty

Godfather.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

and what if was your son did the crime?or they put fake evidence???or under the pressure of society they must find someone to pay..and find your son??will the bullet fell more expensive than 99 cents?..would you like a fair trial???

my son's not a pervert freak, if that piece of crap had touched my son...........
look at his eyes in the picture and tell me what you see, what do people do with rabid animals ? hint..they dont put them in prisons.
when I see this stuff I can't help but imagine being the CHILDs parent.

Godfather.


Godfather.

Godfather.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

do away with fair trials?

is this post real? or just winding people up?

Not winding anyone up.
The guy ran away it is obvious he is guilty.
I did not say we must get rid of fair trials, only in cases such as this one where there is proof and a child is involved.

so,if there is a proof and after a fair trial they found him guilty is all good for me..give him the biggest penalty

what if walks on a sanity plee,not compitant to stand trial and he goes to a underfunded over crowded phyc ward and is back on the streets a year later...that rabbid animal will bite again.

Godfather.

dimitrispearljam

Godfather. wrote:

my son's not a pervert freak, if that piece of crap had touched my son...........
look at his eyes in the picture and tell me what you see, what do people do with rabid animals ? hint..they dont put them in prisons.
when I see this stuff I can't help but imagine being the CHILDs parent.

Godfather.


Godfather.

exactly thats the different..between this guy and me and you...will not act like him,like an animal..

Go Beavers

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

It's sad that people are so quick to discard the Constitution when they feel a certain level of discomfort.

dimitrispearljam

Godfather. wrote:

what if walks on a sanity plee,not compitant to stand trial and he goes to a underfunded over crowded phyc ward and is back on the streets a year later...that rabbid animal will bite again.

Godfather.

that the problem societies must solve,the solution isnt everybody takes the law in his hand

JonnyPistachio

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

TB180644 wrote:

What if it was your daughter? would your opinion change? The problem is that he will get a fair trial, his lawyers will say that he is a victim of society and will be back out on the streets in less than a year. Lets hope he doesn't move in next door to you.

Here here, at last someone that agrees with me!

To the others who are all for a fair trial and a 'civilized' approach to dealing with this sick f***......

Did that poor girl (who will now no doubt suffer mentally for years from this crime) get the chance to receive a fair trial before she was sexually assaulted and had her life turned upside down?

If he did that to anyone in my family I would hunt him down and kill him before he gets the chance to go to court.
In court he will say he suffers schizophrenia/depression/anxiety, had an alcoholic father, broke up with his girlfriend bla bla bla and get a lenient sentence, our judges are weak here in Australia.

What if it was your daughter, sister, niece, cousin?
Would you be claiming give the guy a chance?
Would you be so calm?
I don't care what year it is dimitris, a crime is a crime.

Gee why do I even bother on AMT :roll:

I don't know why you bother with AMT either with those barbaric ideas.

its the same old questions man.. they've been posed a million times in this kind of debate...did the poor victim get a fair trial? :? What if it was your daughter? :?

No, obviously she didnt chose her fate. But I think you should re-read Dimitris posts on pg 1 and Digital twilights post and think about it a bit. Just an idea: Think. don't just react with anger.

gimmesometruth27

Go Beavers wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

It's sad that people are so quick to discard the Constitution when they feel a certain level of discomfort.

agreed. and it is a shame that people are so cynical thinking the guy is going to automatically walk or get a very light sentence. sadly it seems that there is not a lot of faith at all in the justice system...

dimitrispearljam

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

agreed. and it is a shame that people are so cynical thinking the guy is going to automatically walk or get a very light sentence. sadly it seems that there is not a lot of faith at all in the justice system...

for sure the justice system alot of times is weak,,some use technical details to get away of horrible crimes..
but i prefer it from revenge,anarchy,and civilians carry guns and play the new sheriff in town..

EmBleve

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

agreed. and it is a shame that people are so cynical thinking the guy is going to automatically walk or get a very light sentence. sadly it seems that there is not a lot of faith at all in the justice system...

unfortunately it is the reality that if this is his first offense he will not get a harsh sentence. Recidivism rates are very high for pedophiles; they are not typically destined to long prison terms until they are multiple offenders (or have a slew of felony convictions for one incident), and their capacity for rehabilitation is very low.

EmBleve

redrock wrote:

""The pool where he approached the girls is actually a family pool where parents are in there with their kids and he had no right to be there. He had visited the centre by himself.

And no one suspected/noticed anything untoward? A busy family pool?

^^this.

Digital Twilight

The reason we have fair trials and we don't take the law into our own hands is to make sure the one being punished is guilty. If we were allowed to go and 'put a bullet in his head' based on one persons accusation then how many innocent people will die this way? It would be easy to lie and say he/she did this or that. Just because someone said they did something or that it may LOOK like they did something doesn't mean they did.

I'm still kinda shocked anyone in the modern world would even suggest bypassing a fair trial. I really am.

This whole 'what if it was your daughter' argument is a load of crap too. If it was my daughter then sure my emotional state would suggest I would like to tear the guy apart but I think I would like to make sure the guy I'm ripping apart is at least the correct guy. The wrong guy has been chosen many times in a indentification line up by the victim. It's just not always that simple. What you're suggesting would just mean a hell of a lot innocent people will be needlessly killed all in the name of 'justice'.

Yeah I would put money on that this guy is guilty but I would rather be 100% sure before any action is taken. What if it was someone else (maybe not in this case but any other) and you kill the guy you thought was innocent and you're happy that 'justice' is served but yet the real crinimal is still at large because you didn't have a fair trial?

'Innocent until proven guilty' - There is a reason we follow that moniker. There really is. Sometimes you have to put your emotions aside and deal with it a straight head.

JS81606

One cannot blame individuals for condemning a system that allows the debating skills of an individual to out maneuver another which allows a "sick" individual to walk about. History is full of these situations. However, if the posse is allowed to practise their form of justice, then we regress to times of archaic-isms. The system of justice is not only flawed, it is incompetent to the extent of the minds that agree on the manner in which to "best" approach and handle it. As with dealing with humans, what one sees as disgusting, another sees as beautiful, as is the justice we all live with every day. Do i think this man deserves a fair trial, yes. But at what cost to the collective populace. I agree with Godfather. Acting as if we are able to garner any information from this man's behavior/ thinking/ actions is ludicrous on our part, broaching on arrogance to the point of damning our society at large. Just my thots.

Godfather.

discard the Constitution.....? and faith in the justis system ??? pleeeeas give me a break, how many dirt bags are given a "light" sentense or a "second chance" and go back to the street and molest or kill again ? what about the rights you guys are always talking about,do those rights aply to the victims also ?.
I know a few guys that have gone to prison for different crimes (not perv crimes) and they all will tell you that you don't have legal right till you break the law then you get every chance in the world to save yourself finding loop holes etc. and a good lawyer can make that happen, so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.
it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to proven danger.

Godfather.

Digital Twilight

Godfather. wrote:

discard the Constitution.....? and faith in the justis system ??? pleeeeas give me a break, how many dirt bags are given a "light" sentense or a "second chance" and go back to the street and molest or kill again ? what about the rights you guys are always talking about,do those rights aply to the victims also ?.
I know a few guys that have gone to prison for different crimes (not perv crimes) and they all will tell you that you don't have legal right till you break the law then you get every chance in the world to save yourself finding loop holes etc. and a good lawyer can make that happen, so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.
it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to proven danger.

Godfather.

The answer to all those problems is not vigilante 'justice'. You are right in what you're saying about lighter sentances these days but to dish out punishment on hear-say or just on a 'hunch' is ludicrous on the highest level. We need an overhaul on sentancing and maybe what punishment and loop-holes etc NOT the chance for the wrongly accused the chance to go free.

Godfather.

Digital Twilight wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

discard the Constitution.....? and faith in the justis system ??? pleeeeas give me a break, how many dirt bags are given a "light" sentense or a "second chance" and go back to the street and molest or kill again ? what about the rights you guys are always talking about,do those rights aply to the victims also ?.
I know a few guys that have gone to prison for different crimes (not perv crimes) and they all will tell you that you don't have legal right till you break the law then you get every chance in the world to save yourself finding loop holes etc. and a good lawyer can make that happen, so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.
it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to proven danger.

Godfather.

The answer to all those problems is not vigilante 'justice'. You are right in what you're saying about lighter sentances these days but to dish out punishment on hear-say or just on a 'hunch' is ludicrous on the highest level. We need an overhaul on sentancing and maybe what punishment and loop-holes etc NOT the chance for the wrongly accused the chance to go free.

but in this topic do think the 12 year girl is not telling the truth ?
I just listened to a song by Don Mclean and a line in the song reminded me of this topic,
"we don't to see you bleed so come back in an hour when you're thru"

Godfather.

Godfather.

vigilante 'justice'....interesting, I'm not in favor of this and haven't said that(but in some cases not a bad idea) but I did say swift justice, do you know in some country's..at least one I have heard of the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the punishment or exacution what do you think of that ?

Godfather.

Digital Twilight

Godfather. wrote:

Digital Twilight wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

discard the Constitution.....? and faith in the justis system ??? pleeeeas give me a break, how many dirt bags are given a "light" sentense or a "second chance" and go back to the street and molest or kill again ? what about the rights you guys are always talking about,do those rights aply to the victims also ?.
I know a few guys that have gone to prison for different crimes (not perv crimes) and they all will tell you that you don't have legal right till you break the law then you get every chance in the world to save yourself finding loop holes etc. and a good lawyer can make that happen, so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.
it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to proven danger.

Godfather.

The answer to all those problems is not vigilante 'justice'. You are right in what you're saying about lighter sentances these days but to dish out punishment on hear-say or just on a 'hunch' is ludicrous on the highest level. We need an overhaul on sentancing and maybe what punishment and loop-holes etc NOT the chance for the wrongly accused the chance to go free.

but in this topic do think the 12 year girl is not telling the truth ?
I just listened to a song by Don Mclean and a line in the song reminded me of this topic,
"we don't to see you bleed so come back in an hour when you're thru"

Godfather.

Probably yes but I don't know her. The story in the article may not be the full story (which is why you have questioning and that see?). She could have a history of lieing for all I know. That's why you have a trial, to get all the facts and then act accordingly. What if you pissed some 16 year old girl off for some reason and she then runs and tells daddy that you molested her and he pops round and fires a chamber into your head? Justice yeah?

Just to be crystal clear here. I'm not saying shooting him is or isn't the correct punishment. I'm saying there is a reason we have the judicial system and not wild west vigilante punishment. Think long and hard what would happen to society as a whole if you allow this kind of system. Do you actually think we will be safer then we are now?

There is a guy who lives in my town who must be the spitting image of me as I get randomn strangers thinking i'm someone else. If he committed a crime I would like the chance to prove it wasn't me then have a mob come and hang me because I look exactly like someone else and then 2 days later oh wait it wasn't me. Oh well he's dead. TS.