Best thread title ever

redrock

Godfather. wrote:

.. do you know in some country's..at least one I have heard of the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the punishment or exacution what do you think of that ?

Godfather.

If you are thinking of certain arab countries, the victim/victim's family does have a say in the punishment from those 'suggested' by the courts (ie, cut hand off, execute...), though I don't think they are allowed to carry out the punishment/execution (but point me in the right direction if I am wrong). They can also accept blood money if they prefer.

But even this, it is AFTER a full trial.

ajedigecko

BPJ(before pearl jam)....i would have wanted him to recieve a slow death penalty.

APJ(after pearl jam).....i want to give him hugs and teddy bears.

Digital Twilight

Godfather. wrote:

vigilante 'justice'....interesting, I'm not in favor of this and haven't said that(but in some cases not a bad idea) but I did say swift justice, do you know in some country's..at least one I have heard of the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the punishment or exacution what do you think of that ?

Godfather.

That is for a different thread and discussion.

This thread is about the right to a fair trial to determine the guilty from the innocent to be sure the person whom the punishment is inflicted on is the correct person. This thread is not about what punishment the guilty should recieve.

The points I have noted are about the cause and effect of carrying out punishment without looking at the facts or a trial. What you percieve something to be at first isn't always correct. I have thought in the past that someone did this or that and I was so sure as the 'evidence' and circumstances fit perfectly only to proven wrong. From what LIMITED information we have on this situation it does indeed look as though he is guilty. It is imperative to make sure that he is before we carry out punishment. Again what that punishment should be is not what we are discussing here.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.

you are not affected by this, so i will if you will. how about we not be all Mr. Sanctimonious and stuff...

Wilds

Yes. Of course.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't personally want to just lock him away forever. And if it was my daughter and I got a hold of the guy, I would deal with the consequences of my actions and be fine with that.

But a society of intelligent minded people has to be better than it's worst elements.

When we start to allow the 'mob rule' then we no longer hold the moral high ground and justice would suffer.

Rational people can't allow that. So a fair trial is the only way to operate. There is no room for compromise.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.

you are not affected by this, so i will if you will. how about we not be all Mr. Sanctimonious and stuff...

fair enuff Gimmi, I apoligize.
this kind of crime really angers me,to many times these crimes go unpunished and victim's have to live with the memorys and the pain of that day or days for the rest of their lives.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Wilds wrote:

Yes. Of course.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't personally want to just lock him away forever. And if it was my daughter and I got a hold of the guy, I would deal with the consequences of my actions and be fine with that.

But a society of intelligent minded people has to be better than it's worst elements.

When we start to allow the 'mob rule' then we no longer hold the moral high ground and justice would suffer.

Rational people can't allow that. So a fair trial is the only way to operate. There is no room for compromise.

this is a nice post. i completely agree with what i underlined and was trying to say that, but could not find a way to put it as succinctly.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.

you are not affected by this, so i will if you will. how about we not be all Mr. Sanctimonious and stuff...

fair enuff Gimmi, I apoligize.
this kind of crime really angers me,to many times these crimes go unpunished and victim's have to live with the memorys and the pain of that day or days for the rest of their lives.

Godfather.

it's cool Godfather. these threads tend to get a little emotional, so i am not offended or anything. emotions come out due to the nature of the issue.

i know that people are passionate about putting this guy in the chair and will fight and argue and bloviate to do so, but i will fight equally as hard as any of those people on here to make sure he gets a fair trial. those are the rules that we have all agreed on in this society.

Dead Man Walking

Why there are not stiffer penalties for pedophiles and sexual predators is beyond me...fucking parasites.

dimitrispearljam

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.

you are not affected by this, so i will if you will. how about we not be all Mr. Sanctimonious and stuff...

fair enuff Gimmi, I apoligize.
this kind of crime really angers me,to many times these crimes go unpunished and victim's have to live with the memorys and the pain of that day or days for the rest of their lives.

Godfather.

for sure you are right..pedophiles crimes are away more hard than any other crimes..and make us all feel sick especially when the animal did it get away

Drowned Out

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

do away with fair trials?

is this post real? or just winding people up?

Not winding anyone up.
The guy ran away it is obvious he is guilty.
I did not say we must get rid of fair trials, only in cases such as this one where there is proof and a child is involved.

Isn't the point of a trial to determine if there is proof?

I thought you were done with us Lefty extremists? :roll:

Go Beavers

Godfather. wrote:

discard the Constitution.....? and faith in the justis system ??? pleeeeas give me a break, how many dirt bags are given a "light" sentense or a "second chance" and go back to the street and molest or kill again ? what about the rights you guys are always talking about,do those rights aply to the victims also ?.
I know a few guys that have gone to prison for different crimes (not perv crimes) and they all will tell you that you don't have legal right till you break the law then you get every chance in the world to save yourself finding loop holes etc. and a good lawyer can make that happen, so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.
it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to proven danger.

Godfather.

How are the rights of the victim violated if the person is given a fair trial? No one can comment unless they've been sexually abused? Are you saying the victim should decide the punishment?

Godfather.

Go Beavers wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

discard the Constitution.....? and faith in the justis system ??? pleeeeas give me a break, how many dirt bags are given a "light" sentense or a "second chance" and go back to the street and molest or kill again ? what about the rights you guys are always talking about,do those rights aply to the victims also ?.
I know a few guys that have gone to prison for different crimes (not perv crimes) and they all will tell you that you don't have legal right till you break the law then you get every chance in the world to save yourself finding loop holes etc. and a good lawyer can make that happen, so save your holyer than thou atitude till you have been affected by a crime such as this.
it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to proven danger.

Godfather.

How are the rights of the victim violated if the person is given a fair trial? No one can comment unless they've been sexually abused? Are you saying the victim should decide the punishment?

"How are the rights of the victim violated if the person is given a fair trial? "......if the victims rights had not been violated that person wouldn't need a trial would he, any answers or comments I give on this issue are given out of anger so it best I back out.

Godfather.

dimitrispearljam

Godfather. wrote:

any answers or comments I give on this issue are given out of anger so it best I back out.

Godfather.

even i have a different opinion and philoshophy in life of you ,i always notice ,that you respect the other members and never insolting them personally,so a conversation with you is always intresting,even i dont like or agree with you or is given out of anger as you say

EdsonNascimento

Wow! 4 pages so far on needing to give someone due process?

Heinous accusations. And if true, he should be "thrown down with the sodomites," but c'mon, guys. Without fair trials, where does it end? Where's the line where it's obvious and not obvious? This is the very definition of slippery slope.

dimitrispearljam

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Without fair trials, where does it end? .

exactly

cincybearcat

Nope, he can't produce a US Birth Certificate.

keeponrockin

Should sentences be stronger? Yes. However, these sentences should be given AFTER the FAIR trial.

One should never be the judge in their own cases.

Thoughts_Arrive

Godfather, you are the man!

Wilds

keeponrockin wrote:

Should sentences be stronger? Yes. However, these sentences should be given AFTER the FAIR trial.

One should never be the judge in their own cases.

agree with this.