Maybe a "fair" trail should mean fair for all - victim and accused - not just the accused. But I get the impression fair trial only refers to the accused.
If the judge doesn't punish him with a harsh sentence, prisoners will deal with him when he is inside.
Pedophiles and child rapists get bashed inside here in Australia it is widely known, and I know a guy who works in the prison system who confirmed this.
same happens to Greece with Pedophiles and child rapists in Greek jails..
And that is the way it should be.
No it's not supposed to be that way and anyone who advocates it is sick in the head. The sentence is prison - not to be raped and beaten. Anyone who advocates this isn't really human in my mind.
Our prisons should put a stop to it and I personally feel there should be a giant class action lawsuit against them.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Maybe a "fair" trail should mean fair for all - victim and accused - not just the accused. But I get the impression fair trial only refers to the accused.
Fair does apply to both. The alleged victim is given their chance to tell their side of the evidence and bring to trial all information in a fair way to both sides. And the alleged perpetrator is allowed to give his side if he chooses and bring evidence to that effect. It is NOT fair to have the alleged victim give their side, but not give the alleged perpetrator their turn.
Note the words alleged. Innocent until proven guilty. That is fair to all involved. There are plenty of trials that show the alleged victim was in fact not that (the Duke LAX case comes to mind very quickly in what would have been an horrendous crime if it had actually happened. A lot of jumping to conclusions and the accusseds' lives were never the same). There is also plenty of DNA stuff going on now that is releasing wrongly convicted people that apparently did not have the fairest of trials if you conclude that convicting an innocent person is not fair. Ruben "Hurricane" Carter is another classic example of where the alleged perpetrator was not given a fair trial.
Believe me, I am no ACLU proponent. But, our jury/trial system is fair to all parties involved. Now, does it always result in the "correct" outcome? I think we'd all agree no. But, until the day Orwell's vision comes true, I think we all realize that's for the best.
So, let's revel in our system of justice and hope everyone gets what they deserve.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I can't believe it is 2011 and we still have people this barbaric. And somehow they are able to operate a computer? :(
...your joking right ?.. I think I remember a post or two from you that displayed a little tuff guy atitude, are we becoming what we fear ?.
Godfather.
The only one sick in the head here is you with your views, put the joint down and come down to the real world.
Don't you dare call me sick in the head.
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The only one sick in the head here is you with your views, put the joint down and come down to the real world.
Don't you dare call me sick in the head.
you see how bad is to make personal comments and not just say your opinion,to others opinion...
know1 really did a mistake calling names..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The only one sick in the head here is you with your views, put the joint down and come down to the real world.
Don't you dare call me sick in the head.
I'm just voicing an opinion. I don't know how anyone could advocate...even wish for...rape and violence against another person. In my opinion, if you do that, you are sick in head.
I don't like calling people names (and really that's not what I'm doing here), but I'm not going to swallow my voice when I see something that is just plain wrong and undefendable.
By the way, I can now add hypocrite to the labels as well since you did exactly what you took offense that I was doing. Of course, that's consistent with your revenge/retribution violence and rape stance so I can't say you're not consistent.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The only one sick in the head here is you with your views, put the joint down and come down to the real world.
Don't you dare call me sick in the head.
you see how bad is to make personal comments and not just say your opinion,to others opinion...
know1 really did a mistake calling names..
I didn't call anyone a name. I just made a general diagnosis...
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The only one sick in the head here is you with your views, put the joint down and come down to the real world.
Don't you dare call me sick in the head.
you see how bad is to make personal comments and not just say your opinion,to others opinion...
know1 really did a mistake calling names..
I didn't call anyone a name. I just made a general diagnosis...
i thought when you post "who advocates it is sick in the head" you was talking about members post in the thread thats why i said that you made a mistake calling names.
i post what i believe about this issue,but in general i dont like to judge or do personal attacks in the forum..
im ok to judge,comment at an opinion..i believe that someone says that we dont need fair trials ,this opinion is wrong,but im not saying that the person said it is bad,or sick..etc
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The only one sick in the head here is you with your views, put the joint down and come down to the real world.
Don't you dare call me sick in the head.
you see how bad is to make personal comments and not just say your opinion,to others opinion...
know1 really did a mistake calling names..
I agree with Dimitris here!
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i care about the rights of the innocent.
i am not anti social.
current job employement of... 10 years.
same relationship..... 21 years.
i regret some actions.
physical aggression?......i engage in physical activites that take care of this.
normal personality?.....this is questionable.
i do not care about violating the rights of the things.....the things gave up their rights.
i do disregard the well being of the things.
i am not a sociopath.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
What if it was your daughter? would your opinion change? The problem is that he will get a fair trial, his lawyers will say that he is a victim of society and will be back out on the streets in less than a year. Lets hope he doesn't move in next door to you.
Here here, at last someone that agrees with me!
To the others who are all for a fair trial and a 'civilized' approach to dealing with this sick f***......
Did that poor girl (who will now no doubt suffer mentally for years from this crime) get the chance to receive a fair trial before she was sexually assaulted and had her life turned upside down?
If he did that to anyone in my family I would hunt him down and kill him before he gets the chance to go to court.
In court he will say he suffers schizophrenia/depression/anxiety, had an alcoholic father, broke up with his girlfriend bla bla bla and get a lenient sentence, our judges are weak here in Australia.
What if it was your daughter, sister, niece, cousin?
Would you be claiming give the guy a chance?
Would you be so calm?
I don't care what year it is dimitris, a crime is a crime.
Gee why do I even bother on AMT :roll:
So how do you guys decide who gets a fair trial and who does not? What are the criteria?
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
The only one sick in the head here is you with your views, put the joint down and come down to the real world.
Don't you dare call me sick in the head.
This post is hilarious on so many levels
first, how can you get pissed about someone insulting you....then throw the same insult back at the person, while telling him not to do it again? Is this kindergarten? I know you are, but what am I?
....kinda like being so mad at a rapist that you wish repeated rape upon them...
Are we blind yet?
And telling know1 to put the joint down...that's just...funny to me.
i am not anti social.
current job employement of... 10 years.
same relationship..... 21 years.
i regret some actions...
physical aggression?......i engage in physical activites that take care of this.
normal personality?.....this is questionable
i do not care about violating the rights of the things.....the things gave up their rights.
i do disregard the well being of the things.
i am not a sociopath.
The accused is innocent until proven guilty.
Calling the accused 'things',esp in the context of a thread advocating a judge/jury/executioner system, is rationalizing ciminal behaviour - a criteria of anti-social / psychopathic / sociopathic behaviour.
Other criteria for diagnosis include:
-failure to conform to social norms
-impulsivity
-irritability/aggression
-reckless disregard for safety
-lack of remorse for having hurt others
Do I need to point out how each applies to someone who advocates vigilante justice?
I won't bother, tho...why? Because almost without fail, statements from wanna-be vigilantes are so much macho posturing.
was my first thought when i read the title of the thread
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
was my first thought when i read the title of the thread
I too was very disappointed at first about this thread but I've changed my mind as the vast majority of us see the importance of the right to a fair trial for all that are accused, no matter how heinous the crime they are charged with.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
was my first thought when i read the title of the thread
I too was very disappointed at first about this thread but I've changed my mind as the vast majority of us see the importance of the right to a fair trial for all that are accused, no matter how heinous the crime they are charged with.
uderstand but we need to see the bigger picture..to build our societies in justice and not in personal feelings..
in this case is hate for this bad person..
this guy looks guilty,but i work in Airforce,so police must arrest him ,find evidence,not me .judges put him in trial and give the fair penalty,not me
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
uderstand but we need to see the bigger picture..to build our societies in justice and not in personal feelings..
in this case is hate for this bad person..
this guy looks guilty,but i work in Airforce,so police must arrest him ,find evidence,not me .judges put him in trial and give the fair penalty,not me
This thread wasn't created with any intellectual argument or foresight into the greater effect this kind of 'justice' will have on a society over time. It was created in anger, raw emotions and plain simple black and white 'you did me harm, i'll do you harm' mentality. Unfortunatley there still remains nations that adopt this kind of mentality and none of them create a climate that I want to live in. If we adopt this way we only take a step towards these scum ourselves as individuals and as a society. They may not deserve what we give them but it is what seperates us from these people and to do the reverse will only slip us back into a darker time. People of the world fought long and hard for the right to a fair trial it is a shame some people are willing to throw it away without much rational reasoning.
uderstand but we need to see the bigger picture..to build our societies in justice and not in personal feelings..
in this case is hate for this bad person..
this guy looks guilty,but i work in Airforce,so police must arrest him ,find evidence,not me .judges put him in trial and give the fair penalty,not me
This thread wasn't created with any intellectual argument or foresight into the greater effect this kind of 'justice' will have on a society over time. It was created in anger, raw emotions and plain simple black and white 'you did me harm, i'll do you harm' mentality. Unfortunatley there still remains nations that adopt this kind of mentality and none of them create a climate that I want to live in. If we adopt this way we only take a step towards these scum ourselves as individuals and as a society. They may not deserve what we give them but it is what seperates us from these people and to do the reverse will only slip us back into a darker time. People of the world fought long and hard for the right to a fair trial it is a shame some people are willing to throw it away without much rational reasoning.
wow that was well said and I agree but the justice system has some flaws so when people see that a wack job like this who has a history of sex crimes aginest young girls they want fast and swift justice and no chance of ever being able to repete that crime, crap I'll bet people get life in prision for less ! but sex crime are delt with in a way that law protects these freaks !
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
:P
Godfather.
no offense paul but your answer/post wasn't real great either.
Godfather.
I post in a knights outfit and with a sword.
No it's not supposed to be that way and anyone who advocates it is sick in the head. The sentence is prison - not to be raped and beaten. Anyone who advocates this isn't really human in my mind.
Our prisons should put a stop to it and I personally feel there should be a giant class action lawsuit against them.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Fair does apply to both. The alleged victim is given their chance to tell their side of the evidence and bring to trial all information in a fair way to both sides. And the alleged perpetrator is allowed to give his side if he chooses and bring evidence to that effect. It is NOT fair to have the alleged victim give their side, but not give the alleged perpetrator their turn.
Note the words alleged. Innocent until proven guilty. That is fair to all involved. There are plenty of trials that show the alleged victim was in fact not that (the Duke LAX case comes to mind very quickly in what would have been an horrendous crime if it had actually happened. A lot of jumping to conclusions and the accusseds' lives were never the same). There is also plenty of DNA stuff going on now that is releasing wrongly convicted people that apparently did not have the fairest of trials if you conclude that convicting an innocent person is not fair. Ruben "Hurricane" Carter is another classic example of where the alleged perpetrator was not given a fair trial.
Believe me, I am no ACLU proponent. But, our jury/trial system is fair to all parties involved. Now, does it always result in the "correct" outcome? I think we'd all agree no. But, until the day Orwell's vision comes true, I think we all realize that's for the best.
So, let's revel in our system of justice and hope everyone gets what they deserve.
Godfather.
The only one sick in the head here is you with your views, put the joint down and come down to the real world.
Don't you dare call me sick in the head.
know1 really did a mistake calling names..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm just voicing an opinion. I don't know how anyone could advocate...even wish for...rape and violence against another person. In my opinion, if you do that, you are sick in head.
I don't like calling people names (and really that's not what I'm doing here), but I'm not going to swallow my voice when I see something that is just plain wrong and undefendable.
By the way, I can now add hypocrite to the labels as well since you did exactly what you took offense that I was doing. Of course, that's consistent with your revenge/retribution violence and rape stance so I can't say you're not consistent.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I didn't call anyone a name. I just made a general diagnosis...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i post what i believe about this issue,but in general i dont like to judge or do personal attacks in the forum..
im ok to judge,comment at an opinion..i believe that someone says that we dont need fair trials ,this opinion is wrong,but im not saying that the person said it is bad,or sick..etc
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I agree with Dimitris here!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
i believe they call people who find pleasure in wishing violence on others "sociopaths"...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i am not anti social.
current job employement of... 10 years.
same relationship..... 21 years.
i regret some actions.
physical aggression?......i engage in physical activites that take care of this.
normal personality?.....this is questionable.
i do not care about violating the rights of the things.....the things gave up their rights.
i do disregard the well being of the things.
i am not a sociopath.
So how do you guys decide who gets a fair trial and who does not? What are the criteria?
"With our thoughts we make the world"
nice try. horrible fail.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
This post is hilarious on so many levels
first, how can you get pissed about someone insulting you....then throw the same insult back at the person, while telling him not to do it again? Is this kindergarten? I know you are, but what am I?
....kinda like being so mad at a rapist that you wish repeated rape upon them...
Are we blind yet?
And telling know1 to put the joint down...that's just...funny to me.
The accused is innocent until proven guilty.
Calling the accused 'things',esp in the context of a thread advocating a judge/jury/executioner system, is rationalizing ciminal behaviour - a criteria of anti-social / psychopathic / sociopathic behaviour.
Other criteria for diagnosis include:
-failure to conform to social norms
-impulsivity
-irritability/aggression
-reckless disregard for safety
-lack of remorse for having hurt others
Do I need to point out how each applies to someone who advocates vigilante justice?
I won't bother, tho...why? Because almost without fail, statements from wanna-be vigilantes are so much macho posturing.
This thread is unreal.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I too was very disappointed at first about this thread but I've changed my mind as the vast majority of us see the importance of the right to a fair trial for all that are accused, no matter how heinous the crime they are charged with.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
in this case is hate for this bad person..
this guy looks guilty,but i work in Airforce,so police must arrest him ,find evidence,not me .judges put him in trial and give the fair penalty,not me
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
This thread wasn't created with any intellectual argument or foresight into the greater effect this kind of 'justice' will have on a society over time. It was created in anger, raw emotions and plain simple black and white 'you did me harm, i'll do you harm' mentality. Unfortunatley there still remains nations that adopt this kind of mentality and none of them create a climate that I want to live in. If we adopt this way we only take a step towards these scum ourselves as individuals and as a society. They may not deserve what we give them but it is what seperates us from these people and to do the reverse will only slip us back into a darker time. People of the world fought long and hard for the right to a fair trial it is a shame some people are willing to throw it away without much rational reasoning.
wow that was well said and I agree but the justice system has some flaws so when people see that a wack job like this who has a history of sex crimes aginest young girls they want fast and swift justice and no chance of ever being able to repete that crime, crap I'll bet people get life in prision for less ! but sex crime are delt with in a way that law protects these freaks !
Godfather.