Best thread title ever

Thoughts_Arrive

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6046025108

redrock

Of course he does - everyone deserves a fair trial. To even contemplate otherwise is completely wrong.

dimitrispearljam

redrock wrote:

Of course he does - everyone deserves a fair trial. To even contemplate otherwise is completely wrong.

+1..and whats your opinion?to put him in central park of the town and people throw him stones till death???
look at the calendar.we are at 2011,not 1600

TB180644

What if it was your daughter? would your opinion change? The problem is that he will get a fair trial, his lawyers will say that he is a victim of society and will be back out on the streets in less than a year. Lets hope he doesn't move in next door to you.

dimitrispearljam

TB180644 wrote:

What if it was your daughter? would your opinion change? The problem is that he will get a fair trial, his lawyers will say that he is a victim of society and will be back out on the streets in less than a year. Lets hope he doesn't move in next door to you.

what your opinion...burn him?...we all take guns and do our own court?
no justice?no judges?eye for an eye?...whats the solution?
this guy dont deserve to called human being.....but is the answer to this problems chaos???
is society must live with revenge?..we had that 500 years ago...
there are judges to do that job,not me and you....
now,how justice system works,is a different story...

redrock

No it wouldn't. Get a halfway decent prosecution lawyer.

I would also question this:

""The pool where he approached the girls is actually a family pool where parents are in there with their kids and he had no right to be there. He had visited the centre by himself.

And no one suspected/noticed anything untoward? A busy family pool?

Thoughts_Arrive

TB180644 wrote:

What if it was your daughter? would your opinion change? The problem is that he will get a fair trial, his lawyers will say that he is a victim of society and will be back out on the streets in less than a year. Lets hope he doesn't move in next door to you.

Here here, at last someone that agrees with me!

To the others who are all for a fair trial and a 'civilized' approach to dealing with this sick f***......

Did that poor girl (who will now no doubt suffer mentally for years from this crime) get the chance to receive a fair trial before she was sexually assaulted and had her life turned upside down?

If he did that to anyone in my family I would hunt him down and kill him before he gets the chance to go to court.
In court he will say he suffers schizophrenia/depression/anxiety, had an alcoholic father, broke up with his girlfriend bla bla bla and get a lenient sentence, our judges are weak here in Australia.

What if it was your daughter, sister, niece, cousin?
Would you be claiming give the guy a chance?
Would you be so calm?
I don't care what year it is dimitris, a crime is a crime.

Gee why do I even bother on AMT :roll:

Digital Twilight

Do you have any idea what will happen if we start to do away with fair trials? Any what so ever or are you really that narrow minded? Perhaps you should do some research into countries and cases that don't have fair trails and then get back to me on whether people deserve them or not.

It's quite clear he is guilty so it doesn't look like he will not get convicted but I think your problem might be more of the punishement side not the trial. There definatly is a 'more rights to the crinimal than the victim' mentality these days but doing away with fair trials is just plain down right stupid :roll:

The punishment however is something more worthy of a debate.

dimitrispearljam

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

TB180644 wrote:

What if it was your daughter? would your opinion change? The problem is that he will get a fair trial, his lawyers will say that he is a victim of society and will be back out on the streets in less than a year. Lets hope he doesn't move in next door to you.

Here here, at last someone that agrees with me!

To the others who are all for a fair trial and a 'civilized' approach to dealing with this sick f***......

Did that poor girl (who will now no doubt suffer mentally for years from this crime) get the chance to receive a fair trial before she was sexually assaulted and had her life turned upside down?

If he did that to anyone in my family I would hunt him down and kill him before he gets the chance to go to court.
In court he will say he suffers schizophrenia/depression/anxiety, had an alcoholic father, broke up with his girlfriend bla bla bla and get a lenient sentence, our judges are weak here in Australia.

What if it was your daughter, sister, niece, cousin?
Would you be claiming give the guy a chance?
Would you be so calm?
I don't care what year it is dimitris, a crime is a crime.

Gee why do I even bother on AMT :roll:

cool kill him..put him in 6 metres..put him in central square.and hung him...lest stop the courts and make our own.but be careful..
what if my daughter comes to me and tell me ,dad...Thoughts_Arrive touch my boobs....yesterday at the playground...and instead i go the police i come and fuckin shoot you..will be this fair for you????
will your family comes and say congrats dimitris my son deserve to kill him..??who am i to judge a crime???
society must have rules and laws.its judges job...maybe both of us dont like how the justice system works,but anarchy isnt the solution..and take the law in our hands..

dimitrispearljam

Digital Twilight wrote:

The punishment however is something more worthy of a debate.

+1

Thoughts_Arrive

If the judge doesn't punish him with a harsh sentence, prisoners will deal with him when he is inside.
Pedophiles and child rapists get bashed inside here in Australia it is widely known, and I know a guy who works in the prison system who confirmed this.

Thoughts_Arrive

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

TB180644 wrote:

What if it was your daughter? would your opinion change? The problem is that he will get a fair trial, his lawyers will say that he is a victim of society and will be back out on the streets in less than a year. Lets hope he doesn't move in next door to you.

Here here, at last someone that agrees with me!

To the others who are all for a fair trial and a 'civilized' approach to dealing with this sick f***......

Did that poor girl (who will now no doubt suffer mentally for years from this crime) get the chance to receive a fair trial before she was sexually assaulted and had her life turned upside down?

If he did that to anyone in my family I would hunt him down and kill him before he gets the chance to go to court.
In court he will say he suffers schizophrenia/depression/anxiety, had an alcoholic father, broke up with his girlfriend bla bla bla and get a lenient sentence, our judges are weak here in Australia.

What if it was your daughter, sister, niece, cousin?
Would you be claiming give the guy a chance?
Would you be so calm?
I don't care what year it is dimitris, a crime is a crime.

Gee why do I even bother on AMT :roll:

cool kill him..put him in 6 metres..put him in central square.and hung him...lest stop the courts and make our own.but be careful..
what if my daughter comes to me and tell me ,dad...Thoughts_Arrive touch my boobs....yesterday at the playground...and instead i go the police i come and fuckin shoot you..will be this fair for you????
will your family comes and say congrats dimitris my son deserve to kill him..??who am i to judge a crime???
society must have rules and laws.its judges job...maybe both of us dont like how the justice system works,but anarchy isnt the solution..and take the law in our hands..

Hopefully this sicko is seen on the street soon and dealt with.
When it comes to children sickos do not deserve fair trials.

dimitrispearljam

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

If the judge doesn't punish him with a harsh sentence, prisoners will deal with him when he is inside.
Pedophiles and child rapists get bashed inside here in Australia it is widely known, and I know a guy who works in the prison system who confirmed this.

same happens to Greece with Pedophiles and child rapists in Greek jails..

Thoughts_Arrive

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

If the judge doesn't punish him with a harsh sentence, prisoners will deal with him when he is inside.
Pedophiles and child rapists get bashed inside here in Australia it is widely known, and I know a guy who works in the prison system who confirmed this.

same happens to Greece with Pedophiles and child rapists in Greek jails..

And that is the way it should be.

dimitrispearljam

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Hopefully this sicko is seen on the street soon and dealt with.
When it comes to children sickos do not deserve fair trials.

we say in Greece:

"better 1000 guilty persons out of the prison,instead 1 innocent in the prison"

everybody must have fair trial..and for sure Pedophiles and child rapists must have the biggest penalty..
life in prison for me..

Smellyman

do away with fair trials?

is this post real? or just winding people up?

gimmesometruth27

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Hopefully this sicko is seen on the street soon and dealt with.
When it comes to children sickos do not deserve fair trials.

we say in Greece:

"better 1000 guilty persons out of the prison,instead 1 innocent in the prison"

everybody must have fair trial..and for sure Pedophiles and child rapists must have the biggest penalty..
life in prison for me..

exactly dimitri.

people must have a fair trial. if he gets off it will be because if a technicality such as:

botched evidence collecting
botched booking procedures/admissions without attorney present/coerced tesitmony, etc.
or just a shitty prosecution attorney.

i doubt a jury would be sympathetic enough to this guy to let him off all willy nilly like some people suggest.

the legal system is there for a reason. the guy is already guilty in the court of public opinion, but that does not count. what counts is what happens in a court of law. if you have a problem with the system then change the system.

Godfather.

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

EmBleve

To address the OP question, yes, he should get a fair trial, as should everybody. That said, this guy, if it's his first such offense, will probably get essentially a slap on the wrist (maybe a brief prison stint), and have to register as a sex offender, and move somewhere else where nobody will be aware of his history, and continue to do this. So, in reality, I'm afraid, even a 'fair trial' is not going to change the eventual outcome (re-offending).

Thoughts_Arrive

Smellyman wrote:

do away with fair trials?

is this post real? or just winding people up?

Not winding anyone up.
The guy ran away it is obvious he is guilty.
I did not say we must get rid of fair trials, only in cases such as this one where there is proof and a child is involved.

Thoughts_Arrive

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

I agree

keeponrockin

Everyone, no matter the crime, deserves the fair trial. Didn't the Nazi's get a fair trial, even though their crimes were the worst humanity has ever seen?

I don't want to live in a society without fair trials.

dimitrispearljam

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

and what if was your son did the crime?or they put fake evidence???or under the pressure of society they must find someone to pay..and find your son??will the bullet fell more expensive than 99 cents?..would you like a fair trial???

dimitrispearljam

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

do away with fair trials?

is this post real? or just winding people up?

Not winding anyone up.
The guy ran away it is obvious he is guilty.
I did not say we must get rid of fair trials, only in cases such as this one where there is proof and a child is involved.

so,if there is a proof and after a fair trial they found him guilty is all good for me..give him the biggest penalty

Godfather.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

and what if was your son did the crime?or they put fake evidence???or under the pressure of society they must find someone to pay..and find your son??will the bullet fell more expensive than 99 cents?..would you like a fair trial???

my son's not a pervert freak, if that piece of crap had touched my son...........
look at his eyes in the picture and tell me what you see, what do people do with rabid animals ? hint..they dont put them in prisons.
when I see this stuff I can't help but imagine being the CHILDs parent.

Godfather.


Godfather.

Godfather.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

do away with fair trials?

is this post real? or just winding people up?

Not winding anyone up.
The guy ran away it is obvious he is guilty.
I did not say we must get rid of fair trials, only in cases such as this one where there is proof and a child is involved.

so,if there is a proof and after a fair trial they found him guilty is all good for me..give him the biggest penalty

what if walks on a sanity plee,not compitant to stand trial and he goes to a underfunded over crowded phyc ward and is back on the streets a year later...that rabbid animal will bite again.

Godfather.

dimitrispearljam

Godfather. wrote:

my son's not a pervert freak, if that piece of crap had touched my son...........
look at his eyes in the picture and tell me what you see, what do people do with rabid animals ? hint..they dont put them in prisons.
when I see this stuff I can't help but imagine being the CHILDs parent.

Godfather.


Godfather.

exactly thats the different..between this guy and me and you...will not act like him,like an animal..

Go Beavers

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

It's sad that people are so quick to discard the Constitution when they feel a certain level of discomfort.

dimitrispearljam

Godfather. wrote:

what if walks on a sanity plee,not compitant to stand trial and he goes to a underfunded over crowded phyc ward and is back on the streets a year later...that rabbid animal will bite again.

Godfather.

that the problem societies must solve,the solution isnt everybody takes the law in his hand

JonnyPistachio

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

TB180644 wrote:

What if it was your daughter? would your opinion change? The problem is that he will get a fair trial, his lawyers will say that he is a victim of society and will be back out on the streets in less than a year. Lets hope he doesn't move in next door to you.

Here here, at last someone that agrees with me!

To the others who are all for a fair trial and a 'civilized' approach to dealing with this sick f***......

Did that poor girl (who will now no doubt suffer mentally for years from this crime) get the chance to receive a fair trial before she was sexually assaulted and had her life turned upside down?

If he did that to anyone in my family I would hunt him down and kill him before he gets the chance to go to court.
In court he will say he suffers schizophrenia/depression/anxiety, had an alcoholic father, broke up with his girlfriend bla bla bla and get a lenient sentence, our judges are weak here in Australia.

What if it was your daughter, sister, niece, cousin?
Would you be claiming give the guy a chance?
Would you be so calm?
I don't care what year it is dimitris, a crime is a crime.

Gee why do I even bother on AMT :roll:

I don't know why you bother with AMT either with those barbaric ideas.

its the same old questions man.. they've been posed a million times in this kind of debate...did the poor victim get a fair trial? :? What if it was your daughter? :?

No, obviously she didnt chose her fate. But I think you should re-read Dimitris posts on pg 1 and Digital twilights post and think about it a bit. Just an idea: Think. don't just react with anger.

gimmesometruth27

Go Beavers wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/young-girl-sexually-assaulted-during-an-hour-long-ordeal-at-local-pool/story-fn7x8me2-1226046025108

gone are the day's of "Judge Roy Bean" my friend, good swift justis is in order here, a .99 cent bullet would save the tax payers a lot of money and the family a long and painful court battle. just my opinion

Godfather.

It's sad that people are so quick to discard the Constitution when they feel a certain level of discomfort.

agreed. and it is a shame that people are so cynical thinking the guy is going to automatically walk or get a very light sentence. sadly it seems that there is not a lot of faith at all in the justice system...