Spiritual Evolution

ShimmyMommy

tremors wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

tremors wrote:

Hopefully this Bolon Yokte dude is gonna come back and sort a lot of shit out. I can't see anyone else about to do it any time soon, so I'm feeling a slight surge of optimism, having just read Byrnzie's post

Maybe it's supposed to be recreated within each of us, in small ways, with a simple act of kindness paid forward. That's my opinion, of course.

Yeah, I've been trying that - and it doesn't seem to be working too well. I think I'm gonna go with this Bolon Yokte character - he might have a bit more power

Sure, one should always do what works for best for them.

Cosmo

ShimmyMommy wrote:

Sure, one should always do what works for best for them.

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Hey... I'm glad this thread popped up when I was logged on. I was thinking about things... you know, spiritually and religion as stuff and thought...
Maybe our spiritual evolution occurs when we set God Free and the religions that plant their flags in Him. We can no longer hold God responsible for our actions. There is no devine intervention... no predetermined destiny. That the reason a young mother recovers from a horrible trauma is because her will to live was too strong to allow her to leave her young child motherless... or the reason why the Dodgers beat the A's in 1988 was because they had a talented group of players who gelled as team at the end of the season. That we look inwards for those things that make us human. We are the ones who decide our fates. We must face our decisions and carry our sins.
That does not mean that we shirk our duties as part of a society of humans. We should consider ourselves as part of a greater society.
Example: I work as a voluenteer of 2 and 3 day walks for breast cancer research. In our little village, we lose our sense of self and look for the greater good of all. That means I work hard at my task, so the walkers don't have to do everything themselves. I give to all... and I am supported by all. My concern is not for my best interests it is for the other 4,000 people.... because i have 4,000 people looking out for my best interests. I love doing these events because it proves to me, how great we can be.
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Maybe... in the absense of God... we find Him within us.
Anyway... I'm glad to see this again... I hope I'm on track with the discussion.

ShimmyMommy

Cosmo wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

Sure, one should always do what works for best for them.

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Hey... I'm glad this thread popped up when I was logged on. I was thinking about things... you know, spiritually and religion as stuff and thought...
Maybe our spiritual evolution occurs when we set God Free and the religions that plant their flags in Him. We can no longer hold God responsible for our actions. There is no devine intervention... no predetermined destiny. That the reason a young mother recovers from a horrible trauma is because her will to live was too strong to allow her to leave her young child motherless... or the reason why the Dodgers beat the A's in 1988 was because they had a talented group of players who gelled as team at the end of the season. That we look inwards for those things that make us human. We are the ones who decide our fates. We must face our decisions and carry our sins.
That does not mean that we shirk our duties as part of a society of humans. We should consider ourselves as part of a greater society.
Example: I work as a voluenteer of 2 and 3 day walks for breast cancer research. In our little village, we lose our sense of self and look for the greater good of all. That means I work hard at my task, so the walkers don't have to do everything themselves. I give to all... and I am supported by all. My concern is not for my best interests it is for the other 4,000 people.... because i have 4,000 people looking out for my best interests. I love doing these events because it proves to me, how great we can be.
...
Maybe... in the absense of God... we find Him within us.
Anyway... I'm glad to see this again... I hope I'm on track with the discussion.

You are on track, we just started back up again.

I feel I am the only one that can accept the good and bad I have done. I spiritually grow or shrink with each choice. I am responsible for all my choices. When I realized that others go through that same process, I realized then that we were all universally connected, even though the choices are different. It's was what I needed to embrace the whole picture, the greater society, as you said. It was also the moment that I became aware that I am always in charge of the energy I wanted to bring into the whole picture. I am in charge of how I put my choices out there, how I choose to react (or not to react) the outcome of those choices. I did not find this through the confines of religion. I learned this through all of humanity, the good, the bad and everything in between. That's just what worked for me, what works for another is entirely up to them.

Great work on helping all those people. Understanding how you impact a community really is life-changing. It speaks volumes on how you want the world to be for you, and those that succeed you. :thumbup:

DriftingByTheStorm

Cosmo wrote:

Maybe our spiritual evolution occurs when we set God Free and the religions that plant their flags in Him.

If you read deep enough in to most religions, you can find that they have a common core, or at least, that a large portion of their precepts match up. What do you mean when you say "set God Free"?

Cosmo wrote:

There is no devine intervention... no predetermined destiny

"Common sense" ( ) would dictate that even God is not above the immutable laws of the universe that "he" set in place. There is plenty of space within the fabric of the "real world" for miracles to happen, though.

Cosmo wrote:

That we look inwards for those things that make us human. We are the ones who decide our fates. We must face our decisions and carry our sins.

Cosmo wrote:

Maybe... in the absense of God... we find Him within us.

According to "the ancient religion" (ie. The Mysteries) that is EXACTLY where we find god, although to be fair, their exact physical cosmo-conception iterates a God both WITHIN whom we lie, and whom lies within US. It is only "common sense", Commy.
If god made all of creation, and all of creation is finite, "common sense" would tell us that God would not "stand" OUTside of creation, but that all of creation would be within the body of god. That "god" would be a "fabric" that interweaves everything. In reading illuminist writings this is how "god" is described, and why (according to them) it can accurately be stated that god is both within you and without you.

I may have taken some artistic liberty in recounting that cosmology, but if you want concrete textual references to that concept, i can provide them.

Jeanwah

Cosmo wrote:

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Hey... I'm glad this thread popped up when I was logged on. I was thinking about things... you know, spiritually and religion as stuff and thought...
Maybe our spiritual evolution occurs when we set God Free and the religions that plant their flags in Him. We can no longer hold God responsible for our actions. There is no devine intervention... no predetermined destiny. That the reason a young mother recovers from a horrible trauma is because her will to live was too strong to allow her to leave her young child motherless... or the reason why the Dodgers beat the A's in 1988 was because they had a talented group of players who gelled as team at the end of the season. That we look inwards for those things that make us human. We are the ones who decide our fates. We must face our decisions and carry our sins.
That does not mean that we shirk our duties as part of a society of humans. We should consider ourselves as part of a greater society.
Example: I work as a voluenteer of 2 and 3 day walks for breast cancer research. In our little village, we lose our sense of self and look for the greater good of all. That means I work hard at my task, so the walkers don't have to do everything themselves. I give to all... and I am supported by all. My concern is not for my best interests it is for the other 4,000 people.... because i have 4,000 people looking out for my best interests. I love doing these events because it proves to me, how great we can be.
...
Maybe... in the absense of God... we find Him within us.
Anyway... I'm glad to see this again... I hope I'm on track with the discussion.

Awesome post, Cosmo. I'm convinced that in taking care of others, or looking externally for spirituality rather than internally, is where you find it. We're all connected. Have you seen "I Am"?

Cosmo

ShimmyMommy wrote:

You are on track, we just started back up again.

I feel I am the only one that can accept the good and bad I have done. I spiritually grow or shrink with each choice. I am responsible for all my choices. When I realized that others go through that same process, I realized then that we were all universally connected, even though the choices are different. It's was what I needed to embrace the whole picture, the greater society, as you said. It was also the moment that I became aware that I am always in charge of the energy I wanted to bring into the whole picture. I am in charge of how I put my choices out there, how I choose to react (or not to react) the outcome of those choices. I did not find this through the confines of religion. I learned this through all of humanity, the good, the bad and everything in between. That's just what worked for me, what works for another is entirely up to them.

Great work on helping all those people. Understanding how you impact a community really is life-changing. It speaks volumes on how you want the world to be for you, and those that succeed you. :thumbup:

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Sounds like we are on the same page. I feel that religions segregate people, instead of integrate us as one species of animal in the natural world. That is what I mean by 'Setting God Free'... release Him of the bonds of religion... to choose ALL of us, instead of some of us. It doesn't mean foresake God... just let Him be.
And i agree with the whole responsible and accountable for my life... including all of my wrong doings. I do not wish to burden Jesus with my bad choices... I like Him too much to do that to Him. I'm certainly not a 'Christian', but, I do love His teachings. That whole zombie thing... I don't know. Sounds kinda creepy. To me... Jesus' lessons are what make Him immortal. I may not trust the Bible, but I like the parts that include Jesus' teachings.

Idris

Idris wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

Thank you Godfather.

I just wanted to also add that I don' think the world is coming to an end literally. I think there's going to be a paradigm shift that will change our consciousness in a way we can never have fathomed.

Thats a possibility, also lines up well with the New World Order, one eye, one consciousness. The only way out? We need to wake up from our sleep.

Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, does anyone remember when the Black monolith first appears and the apes go nuts? they can't understand what it is, where it came from. Soon after one of the apes sits and it seems to be wondering, at this point he eventually discovers the use of weapons, in this case a bone which he uses (as a club) to over power and control another group. This all started with the Black Monolith, something they saw and could not comprehend. What was our Black Monolith?

At what point did we decide that we would not move out of Africa like the Neanderthals did, but stay and evolve. One group stays behind and turns into what eventually is modern man and the other becomes extinct. What was our trigger?

I'm sure it was very tempting to go wandering off, but we stayed in Africa until we were ready to branch off and expand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y15NnGZIBuM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd3-1tcO ... re=related

and of course the ending, which more of less goes into who/what we are..If anyone has not seen the movie and don't want it spoiled for them, rather not watch the vid below,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXS8P0Hk ... re=related

What a great movie,

ShimmyMommy

Cosmo wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

You are on track, we just started back up again.

I feel I am the only one that can accept the good and bad I have done. I spiritually grow or shrink with each choice. I am responsible for all my choices. When I realized that others go through that same process, I realized then that we were all universally connected, even though the choices are different. It's was what I needed to embrace the whole picture, the greater society, as you said. It was also the moment that I became aware that I am always in charge of the energy I wanted to bring into the whole picture. I am in charge of how I put my choices out there, how I choose to react (or not to react) the outcome of those choices. I did not find this through the confines of religion. I learned this through all of humanity, the good, the bad and everything in between. That's just what worked for me, what works for another is entirely up to them.

Great work on helping all those people. Understanding how you impact a community really is life-changing. It speaks volumes on how you want the world to be for you, and those that succeed you. :thumbup:

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Sounds like we are on the same page. I feel that religions segregate people, instead of integrate us as one species of animal in the natural world. That is what I mean by 'Setting God Free'... release Him of the bonds of religion... to choose ALL of us, instead of some of us. It doesn't mean foresake God... just let Him be.
And i agree with the whole responsible and accountable for my life... including all of my wrong doings. I do not wish to burden Jesus with my bad choices... I like Him too much to do that to Him. I'm certainly not a 'Christian', but, I do love His teachings. That whole zombie thing... I don't know. Sounds kinda creepy. To me... Jesus' lessons are what make Him immortal. I may not trust the Bible, but I like the parts that include Jesus' teachings.

Yes, I think we are on the same page.

"Just let Him Be"... :think: :thumbup:

I must say that my definition of God has changed over the years. God has now become the all-embracing Universe, instead of a singular entity I must please with my actions. Why? Because they both let us be. They let us decide what we want to learn from the trials and tribulations of this life. They let us decide what perception we want have about the lives we have. The let us learn what way works for us to find our spirituality.

It's not that I dislike the message that religion teaches when it comes to empathy, compassion and love. It's the rigidity and exclusivity of religion that I dislike. It divides humanity on the premise of which Religion is the "correct" way to spirituality. Which, in my opinion, is the opposite of spirituality. Finding your spiritual way is as individual as your fingerprint. It's in all those individual paths do each of us find a connection to the Spiritual. Kind of like a puzzle. When all the all the pieces are there, we can see the whole picture. But then, again, that is just my opinion based on my experiences.

ShimmyMommy

Idris wrote:

Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, does anyone remember when the Black monolith first appears and the apes go nuts? they can't understand what it is, where it came from. Soon after one of the apes sits and it seems to be wondering, at this point he eventually discovers the use of weapons, in this case a bone which he uses (as a club) to over power and control another group. This all started with the Black Monolith, something they saw and could not comprehend. What was our Black Monolith?

At what point did we decide that we would not move out of Africa like the Neanderthals did, but stay and evolve. One group stays behind and turns into what eventually is modern man and the other becomes extinct. What was our trigger?

I'm sure it was very tempting to go wandering off, but we stayed in Africa until we were ready to branch off and expand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y15NnGZIBuM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd3-1tcO ... re=related

and of course the ending, which more of less goes into who/what we are..If anyone has not seen the movie and don't want it spoiled for them, rather not watch the vid below,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXS8P0Hk ... re=related

What a great movie,

I think I have to watch that movie!

Cosmo

ShimmyMommy wrote:

It's not that I dislike the message that religion teaches when it comes to empathy, compassion and love. It's the rigidity and exclusivity of religion that I dislike. It divides humanity on the premise of which Religion is the "correct" way to spirituality. Which, in my opinion, is the opposite of spirituality. Finding your spiritual way is as individual as your fingerprint. It's in all those individual paths do each of us find a connection to the Spiritual. Kind of like a puzzle. When all the all the pieces are there, we can see the whole picture. But then, again, that is just my opinion based on my experiences.

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I think religions carry a great message... problems pop up when that message is projected upon others. I think faith and hope are beautiful human characteristics until faith is transformed into conflict.
My take, if you want to belive in burning bushes, talking snakes or spaceships and volcanoes... GREAT!!! Just don't try to nail your salvation to the souls of others.
And yes... everyone weaves their way through this life... in search of answers. Answers that may not even exist. It's the journey, where we discover.

ShimmyMommy

Cosmo wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

It's not that I dislike the message that religion teaches when it comes to empathy, compassion and love. It's the rigidity and exclusivity of religion that I dislike. It divides humanity on the premise of which Religion is the "correct" way to spirituality. Which, in my opinion, is the opposite of spirituality. Finding your spiritual way is as individual as your fingerprint. It's in all those individual paths do each of us find a connection to the Spiritual. Kind of like a puzzle. When all the all the pieces are there, we can see the whole picture. But then, again, that is just my opinion based on my experiences.

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I think religions carry a great message... problems pop up when that message is projected upon others. I think faith and hope are beautiful human characteristics until faith is transformed into conflict.
My take, if you want to belive in burning bushes, talking snakes or spaceships and volcanoes... GREAT!!! Just don't try to nail your salvation to the souls of others.
And yes... everyone weaves their way through this life... in search of answers. Answers that may not even exist. It's the journey, where we discover.

Great comment. :thumbup:

ShimmyMommy

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm convinced that in taking care of others, or looking externally for spirituality rather than internally, is where you find it. We're all connected. Have you seen "I Am"?

After waiting for months, I finally seen "I Am" on ROD. Twice. Very glad to know I am not alone in what I feel. It was just awesome. :thumbup:

EmBleve

ShimmyMommy wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm convinced that in taking care of others, or looking externally for spirituality rather than internally, is where you find it. We're all connected. Have you seen "I Am"?

After waiting for months, I finally seen "I Am" on ROD. Twice. Very glad to know I am not alone in what I feel. It was just awesome. :thumbup:

I've been waiting to see that, too, since it was discussed in that other thread eons ago. I haven't been able to yet. But I must.

ShimmyMommy

EmBleve wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm convinced that in taking care of others, or looking externally for spirituality rather than internally, is where you find it. We're all connected. Have you seen "I Am"?

After waiting for months, I finally seen "I Am" on ROD. Twice. Very glad to know I am not alone in what I feel. It was just awesome. :thumbup:

I've been waiting to see that, too, since it was discussed in that other thread eons ago. I haven't been able to yet. But I must.

It's definitely worth the watch, even if it simply creates a discussion. :thumbup: