Spiritual Evolution

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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Cosmo wrote:
    It is not to say that religion has its place. I have always believed that hope and faith are positive human traits. I belive faith is a personal choice... a preference and that the religion you choose is right for you... but, not right for me. I wish that religion and religious people took a more believe and let believe attitude and would quit trying to take sole claim over God.
    Religion does not make people good... our humanity is the source.
    like the saying goes: 'Humankind. Be both'.

    I agree, and I have the bolded as a bumper sticker. I love it.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    edited April 2011
    Enkidu wrote:
    ShimmyMommy wrote:
    quote="ShimmyMommy"]Contrary to what people may be thinking, I love the sciences.
    I believe religion also has its place. I see it as a path for some to get on the spiritual path. People I have met along the way use both and science and religion to come to a place of spiritual enlightenment. It absolutely fascinates me because I often wonder how we come to the spiritual (or non-spiritual) beliefs we have.

    Couldn't agree more Shimz...science explains a whole lot of how we have evolved, our chemistry, the cycles of the life, etc. Religion, to me, takes it one step further. Science explains HOW the egg is fertilized, and HOW a fetus develops. It does not, however, prove to me how the miracle of all that being present in one sperm and one egg works...which makes me believe there's a higher power who's got His hand in the mix.

    Makes me comfortable thinking that anyway...great original post/topic, by the way!


    Yes, I, too, wonder what/who creates the spark that decides that 1 egg & 1 sperm will create a new life. I am enthralled by thoughts like that all the time...amazing isn't it?[/quote]




    I agree with all this. What I don't understand is how people can't see that science and spiritual powers can work together. The idea that it can only be one OR the other doesn't make sense to me. Like how the earth came to be - can't God create the heavens and the earth with the help of science? Or the other way around - science created the heavens and the earth with some spiritual help?[/quote]



    Okay...I'm totally sure that I have messed up the quotes on this post here (thank you Mr. Dunkman) :lol: ...but, still, whoever made these posts knows who they are and I am responding to same...
    Science and spiritual powers can, and DO, work together....it's just that science hasn't yet come to this 'realization' of the aforementioned 'paradigm' prospect, ...now, I'm not getting all 'religious' here...but these posts imply the presence of a 'higher power', if you will....and I believe, personally, that they both coincide.....as was said, it is very difficult to examine the scientific basis of all life forms without wondering 'where did they come from'????? Yes, they exist, but from where??? and from whom?? Well, to me, it all makes sense in the grand scheme of things---IF one DOES accept that there IS a 'higher power'....if one DOES accept that maybe 'our' lives are part of a ginormous experiment....this higher power gave us the evolution of developing into homo sapiens--with an inquisitive, open, scientific, knowledge-capable mind.....it gave us the capacity to develop scientific theories and modalities...it gave us the 'option' to delve deeper into the annals of the human experience...just to see what is going to happen....it's all an experiment..and people don't want to accept that because they want to CONTROL their 'purpose'...they don't want to feel that their 'purpose' is in the hands of some external, spiritual entity.....hence--science...hence--religion--it is all MAN'S attempt to explain the purpose of life in essence...but, meanwhile, this 'higher power' is guiding what people think, basically, because it has provided us with the 'scientific' brain structure, through evolution, to have the capacity to attempt to draw such conclusions...
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  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    and, yes, now I see (and I don't have the energy, nor the care, to remedy it)....I totally f'd up the quotes...true to form! :D it's like it's a test of 'how far will they go'??? 'will they ultimately destroy each other, or will they find the true meaning'/??? (and it seems to me that it is leading to the former---) Does anybody else see that??
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    edited April 2011
    Nice quoting, EmBleve! Love ya just the same! ;)

    I made the first statement in response to Black73. I know I used what/whom in my statement. "What" to me is the energy of the Universe. We are all part of it. We are all learning to connect to it. I am just in awe at how the Universe gives the spark to make 2 cells become something...anything, really. The "whom" part I said was for those who believe in something different. It is fascinating how we all decipher our own ways to make sense of things. And although I am in awe, it does not mean I want the answer to my question. I am just in awe in the connection between it all.

    Yes, I do believe science and spirituality work together...otherwise who would had the thought to heal someone through scientific applications? Am I making sense? Sorry if I offended anyone. :?
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    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    EmBleve wrote:
    and, yes, now I see (and I don't have the energy, nor the care, to remedy it)....I totally f'd up the quotes...true to form! :D it's like it's a test of 'how far will they go'??? 'will they ultimately destroy each other, or will they find the true meaning'/??? (and it seems to me that it is leading to the former---) Does anybody else see that??

    i think we are at a crux...which way will it swing, is the real question. I am hoping it will go positively, as positive energy is stronger than negative energy. I guess I really am not into Doom & Gloom after all! :lol::lol:
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Has anyone read the Celestine Prophecy? In that book spirituality wasn't based on a God but on 9 Insights that, when learned, lead to a conciousness that propels a person above and beyond our egos. In this sense of spirituality, the belief in ourselves as almost higher beings by having that elevated consciousness and being thoroughly in touch with our surroundings and the earth... that's what I think of when it comes to the future, symbolism of 2012 and spirituality. That we're the ultimate higher power, and that we can get there if we actually try. The science combined with the belief in ourselves,but an elevated sense of self, not the ego.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    ShimmyMommy wrote:
    Nice quoting, EmBleve! Love ya just the same! ;)

    I made the first statement in response to Black73. I know I used what/whom in my statement. "What" to me is the energy of the Universe. We are all part of it. We are all learning to connect to it. I am just in awe at how the Universe gives the spark to make 2 cells become something...anything, really. The "whom" part I said was for those who believe in something different. It is fascinating how we all decipher our own ways to make sense of things. And although I am in awe, it does not mean I want the answer to my question. I am just in awe in the connection between it all.

    Yes, I do believe science and spirituality work together...otherwise who would had the thought to heal someone through scientific applications? Am I making sense? Sorry if I offended anyone. :?
    thank you...and I have a connection to you in a very short period of time...which is crazy, but beside the point.........
    I agree it's the 'energy of the universe'....I don't necessarily believe that it can be attributed to any ONE source...I agree that we are ALL part of it...we are all LEARNING to connect to it....which will ultimately (IMO) culminate into the 'paradigm shift' that was earlier referred to....I am in awe, also, to the connection of it all, because, I believe, it IS all connected...and you didn't offend anyone!!!--you are more apologetic than I am, which I didn't think possible.... :D
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Has anyone read the Celestine Prophecy? In that book spirituality wasn't based on a God but on 9 Insights that, when learned, lead to a conciousness that propels a person above and beyond our egos. In this sense of spirituality, the belief in ourselves as almost higher beings by having that elevated consciousness and being thoroughly in touch with our surroundings and the earth... that's what I think of when it comes to the future, symbolism of 2012 and spirituality. That we're the ultimate higher power, and that we can get there if we actually try. The science combined with the belief in ourselves,but an elevated sense of self, not the ego.

    Yes...many years ago...plus many others since (I will have to go through my titles)...I am always open to reading up on spirituality. Any more suggestions from others would be fabulous!!! The journey is ongoing!! :mrgreen:
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Has anyone read the Celestine Prophecy? In that book spirituality wasn't based on a God but on 9 Insights that, when learned, lead to a conciousness that propels a person above and beyond our egos. In this sense of spirituality, the belief in ourselves as almost higher beings by having that elevated consciousness and being thoroughly in touch with our surroundings and the earth... that's what I think of when it comes to the future, symbolism of 2012 and spirituality. That we're the ultimate higher power, and that we can get there if we actually try. The science combined with the belief in ourselves,but an elevated sense of self, not the ego.
    OMG I CANNOT FREAKING BELIEVE THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP JEAnWAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS PROOF OF WHAT IS STATED IN THAT PHILOSOPHY!!!! Yes, I have heard of it, Yes, I have read it...yes, this is along the lines of what I believe........
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    edited April 2011
    EmBleve wrote:
    ShimmyMommy wrote:
    Nice quoting, EmBleve! Love ya just the same! ;)

    I made the first statement in response to Black73. I know I used what/whom in my statement. "What" to me is the energy of the Universe. We are all part of it. We are all learning to connect to it. I am just in awe at how the Universe gives the spark to make 2 cells become something...anything, really. The "whom" part I said was for those who believe in something different. It is fascinating how we all decipher our own ways to make sense of things. And although I am in awe, it does not mean I want the answer to my question. I am just in awe in the connection between it all.

    Yes, I do believe science and spirituality work together...otherwise who would had the thought to heal someone through scientific applications? Am I making sense? Sorry if I offended anyone. :?
    thank you...and I have a connection to you in a very short period of time...which is crazy, but beside the point.........
    I agree it's the 'energy of the universe'....I don't necessarily believe that it can be attributed to any ONE source...I agree that we are ALL part of it...we are all LEARNING to connect to it....which will ultimately (IMO) culminate into the 'paradigm shift' that was earlier referred to....I am in awe, also, to the connection of it all, because, I believe, it IS all connected...and you didn't offend anyone!!!--you are more apologetic than I am, which I didn't think possible.... :D

    I am Canadian, remember? :lol::lol::lol: hey, you'd find the book I posted earlier (page 3) quite fascinating, just as I do! And yes, I agree we have made one of those connections. :mrgreen: Incredible how we do that too, connect with one person instead of another??
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    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    ^^I was raised Catholic, but had problems with the 'religion' aspect, and the punitive attitude.....I read this book 8 years ago, and it changed my outlook on life, for the better, forever.
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    EmBleve wrote:
    ^^I was raised Catholic, but had problems with the 'religion' aspect, and the punitive attitude.....I read this book 8 years ago, and it changed my outlook on life, for the better, forever.

    which book? the one I posted? i have many others....i will have to get my collection out... :lol:
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    "ShimmyMommy wrote:
    I am Canadian, remember? :lol::lol::lol: hey, you'd find the book I posted earlier (page 3) quite fascinating, just as I do! And yes, I agree we have made one of those connections. :mrgreen: Incredible how we do that too, connect with one person instead of another??
    no, which book?...I must investigate....but, yes, it is incredible..and I do find it amazing how one is drawn to another.....exactly my point.. :D
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    EmBleve wrote:
    "ShimmyMommy wrote:
    I am Canadian, remember? :lol::lol::lol: hey, you'd find the book I posted earlier (page 3) quite fascinating, just as I do! And yes, I agree we have made one of those connections. :mrgreen: Incredible how we do that too, connect with one person instead of another??
    no, which book?...I must investigate....but, yes, it is incredible..and I do find it amazing how one is drawn to another.....exactly my point.. :D
    [/quote][/quote]


    check page three of this thread...your quoting is great...makes me focus on what is being said!! :mrgreen:
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    ShimmyMommy wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    ^^I was raised Catholic, but had problems with the 'religion' aspect, and the punitive attitude.....I read this book 8 years ago, and it changed my outlook on life, for the better, forever.

    which book? the one I posted? i have many others....i will have to get my collection out... :lol:

    no, shug...the book that Jeanwah posted...the Celestine Prophecy...
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    EmBleve wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Has anyone read the Celestine Prophecy? In that book spirituality wasn't based on a God but on 9 Insights that, when learned, lead to a conciousness that propels a person above and beyond our egos. In this sense of spirituality, the belief in ourselves as almost higher beings by having that elevated consciousness and being thoroughly in touch with our surroundings and the earth... that's what I think of when it comes to the future, symbolism of 2012 and spirituality. That we're the ultimate higher power, and that we can get there if we actually try. The science combined with the belief in ourselves,but an elevated sense of self, not the ego.
    OMG I CANNOT FREAKING BELIEVE THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP JEAnWAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS PROOF OF WHAT IS STATED IN THAT PHILOSOPHY!!!! Yes, I have heard of it, Yes, I have read it...yes, this is along the lines of what I believe........

    :D

    That Chopra book does look interesting, Shimmy.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    but I want to find out this book...
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    Jeanwah wrote:
    :D

    That Chopra book does look interesting, Shimmy.

    It is very interesting...linking coincidence, universe, wave-particles...incredible really. And that was just the first half! :mrgreen:
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    EmBleve wrote:
    ^^I was raised Catholic, but had problems with the 'religion' aspect, and the punitive attitude.....I read this book 8 years ago, and it changed my outlook on life, for the better, forever.

    It's changed the way I look at things too, definitely for the better. Coincidences aren't just coincidences anymore; everything that happens has a deeper meaning...

    Shimmy, Celestine Prophecy talks about coincidence and universe also. You should check it out!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Jeanwah wrote:
    :D

    That Chopra book does look interesting, Shimmy.
    It does...but Jeanwah, what did you think about the Celestine Prophecy?? I would really like to know...because that book was very influential to me...and nobody else I have EVER talked to has read that book other than my mom...

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