^^I was raised Catholic, but had problems with the 'religion' aspect, and the punitive attitude.....I read this book 8 years ago, and it changed my outlook on life, for the better, forever.
It's changed the way I look at things too, definitely for the better. Coincidences aren't just coincidences anymore; everything that happens has a deeper meaning...
Shimmy, Celestine Prophecy talks about coincidence and universe also. You should check it out!
yes, shimmy, please read it....there is no such thing as chance or coincidence....I am SOO glad that I have found a like soul...
It does...but Jeanwah, what did you think about the Celestine Prophecy?? I would really like to know...because that book was very influential to me...and nobody else I have EVER talked to has read that book other than my mom...
Oh! I know many people who've read it years ago, but they didn't seem as taken, almost as if they didn't really connect with it. I loved it though, it was one of those books I had to read slowly so I could mull over what I'd just read to let it all sink in. (Ishmael was the same way). The Tenth Insight was contained as a separate book within my copy, but never got to reading that. Have you? And it's totally gotten me interested in Peru as a magical, albeit semi-dangerous place.
Has anyone read the Celestine Prophecy? In that book spirituality wasn't based on a God but on 9 Insights that, when learned, lead to a conciousness that propels a person above and beyond our egos. In this sense of spirituality, the belief in ourselves as almost higher beings by having that elevated consciousness and being thoroughly in touch with our surroundings and the earth... that's what I think of when it comes to the future, symbolism of 2012 and spirituality. That we're the ultimate higher power, and that we can get there if we actually try. The science combined with the belief in ourselves,but an elevated sense of self, not the ego.
It does...but Jeanwah, what did you think about the Celestine Prophecy?? I would really like to know...because that book was very influential to me...and nobody else I have EVER talked to has read that book other than my mom...
Oh! I know many people who've read it years ago, but they didn't seem as taken, almost as if they didn't really connect with it. I loved it though, it was one of those books I had to read slowly so I could mull over what I'd just read to let it all sink in. (Ishmael was the same way). The Tenth Insight was contained as a separate book within my copy, but never got to reading that. Have you? And it's totally gotten me interested in Peru as a magical, albeit semi-dangerous place.
no, I've never been there, but since I read this book 8 years ago, I have made that one of my lifetime quests.....I have two copies of the book...I have the 10th insight book, but I haven't read it yet....truthfully, because I read a review on the book and found out it was 'fiction'...which I was surprised about...I have read it 3 times...I have notes all in the sidelines...this is insane to me. I LOVE IT!!
And...I don't think it's a 'dangerous' place (although you have a point...he makes it out to be a crazy spot, if you're after the bourne identity)...I consider it one of those 'spiritual openings', like Sedona, AZ must be.....I have just never come across someone who has also read it....I totally love it.
It does...but Jeanwah, what did you think about the Celestine Prophecy?? I would really like to know...because that book was very influential to me...and nobody else I have EVER talked to has read that book other than my mom...
Oh! I know many people who've read it years ago, but they didn't seem as taken, almost as if they didn't really connect with it. I loved it though, it was one of those books I had to read slowly so I could mull over what I'd just read to let it all sink in. (Ishmael was the same way). The Tenth Insight was contained as a separate book within my copy, but never got to reading that. Have you? And it's totally gotten me interested in Peru as a magical, albeit semi-dangerous place.
no, I've never been there, but since I read this book 8 years ago, I have made that one of my lifetime quests.....I have two copies of the book...I have the 10th insight book, but I haven't read it yet....truthfully, because I read a review on the book and found out it was 'fiction'...which I was surprised about...I have read it 3 times...I have notes all in the sidelines...this is insane to me. I LOVE IT!!
And...I don't think it's a 'dangerous' place (although you have a point...he makes it out to be a crazy spot, if you're after the bourne identity)...I consider it one of those 'spiritual openings', like Sedona, AZ must be.....I have just never come across someone who has also read it....I totally love it.
Yeah, it does seem to be a mystical, spiritual place, with Machu Picchu as well. Funny, I've put visiting Peru on my bucket list after reading the book, too! Yeah, I remember reading reviews of the 10th Insight to not being half as good as CP, so that's why I didn't give it my time. That book convinced me that we're ONE, everyone and everything is truly connected.
Yeah, it does seem to be a mystical, spiritual place, with Machu Picchu as well. Funny, I've put visiting Peru on my bucket list after reading the book, too! Yeah, I remember reading reviews of the 10th Insight to not being half as good as CP, so that's why I didn't give it my time. That book convinced me that we're ONE, everyone and everything is truly connected.[/quote]
yes, I agree...and what's so awesome about it is that it connects it in such a way that relgion is put aside...mostly. there is just an awesome lesson to be learned from that book...and after the climax of the original, I just didn't find the need to explore what else had to be said...I dislike fiction...and many people would classify this as 'paranormal'.
and it will be one of my quests to go to Machu Picchu.....I have a friend who has been there and she has confirmed that it is magical...and she never read that book.
I have copies of both the CP & the 10th. I will re-read them...it's been awhile...and I am sure it was no coincidence that it came up here...through you two.
Oh, the Chopra one is the next level...how to connect and live through the soul...just incredible...every book that teaches that skill blows my mind...and I have read many books :oops:
I just posted my thoughts on universal consciousness in Pap's thread, and I feel it should be here also. :idea:
The universal consciousness is not as far off as you think. It's here. It's now. It's in you at this very second. We are all part of it right now. It is creating this very moment we are in. Awareness is required to connect into the universal consciousness. Acceptance of its potentiality is the next step to have the universal consciousness rise to meet your needs. Compassion and Love for everything keeps you from losing your connection to selfishness (ego).
Simply recognizing that there is a universal consciousness is Awareness. Good and bad are equal parts of every potential, for which we must have Acceptance to choose the potential that fits our path at the time. Compassion and Love keeps us grounded through it all.
Ok, again...i will post my follow up comment that placed in Pap's thread here. I had no idea we would be posting on the same topic really...just from different perspectives.
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When I said it was easier than said, I did mean easier. To give Compassion and Love is easy...once you choose to do it. The choice is the hard part for most people. Why? Because it requires us to accept that there are other paths that are correct, not only our own. KWIM?
Take for example what the conversation between Pap & zarocat in Paps' thread. They were equally too concerned with thier own way being the right way, that they did not even consider that each of their individual philosophies are correct because the are right for each of them as individuals. In the end, it seems that they have used compassion to see each where each other are coming from.
As for not seeing that there is not a universal consciousness, please try view it through my eyes.
First, I view the universal conscious as an energy that links us all. I feel connected through my spirit to everything. I really do. The same universal energy that created me also created a new thought in another person's mind. It also created the earth and the animals. We are all created from the same energy. To invalidate someone else, to me, is to invalidate myself. It goes back to Agape (brotherly love) and reaping what you sow.
I believe that universal consciousness does NOT make things happen to us. I believe that the universal consciousness is responding to us. I know this from my own life. When I choose to be serious, that's what the universe gives back to me. When I choose to be compassionate and loving, that's what the universe gives back to me. Yes, sometimes serious things happens in my life. Those events always make me I realize there is something for me to learn about my self and where my responsibility is in that event, which in turn strengthens my own personal connection to the universe.
Am I making sense? These concepts can get lost in translation, when one is describing actions. :think: I guess that's where it lies..."not in the talk, but in the walk". :idea:
First, I view the universal conscious as an energy that links us all. I feel connected through my spirit to everything. I really do. The same universal energy that created me also created a new thought in another person's mind. It also created the earth and the animals. We are all created from the same energy. To invalidate someone else, to me, is to invalidate myself. It goes back to Agape (brotherly love) and reaping what you sow.
I believe that universal consciousness does NOT make things happen to us. I believe that the universal consciousness is responding to us. I know this from my own life. When I choose to be serious, that's what the universe gives back to me. When I choose to be compassionate and loving, that's what the universe gives back to me. Yes, sometimes serious things happens in my life. Those events always make me I realize there is something for me to learn about my self and where my responsibility is in that event, which in turn strengthens my own personal connection to the universe.
Someone else who gets what I see in this world. I am seeing this movie this weekend, one way or another!!
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I've been following this film for about a month now, eagerly awaiting for it to come to my area since it's in limited release! Tom Shadyak was on Oprah yesterday, but of course i forgot about it.
Someone else who gets what I see in this world. I am seeing this movie this weekend, one way or another!!
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I've been following this film for about a month now, eagerly awaiting for it to come to my area since it's in limited release! Tom Shadyak was on Oprah yesterday, but of course i forgot about it.
That's where I seen it!! Seeing as someone said Oprah can't help connect us with spiritual things (8th post, 1st page of this thread), I thought that was very serendipitous! I am ever waiting patiently for this movie to come to Canada. Like I always believe, even if you know about a book or movie, you only get to experience the full book or movie when it's the right time. Right book (movie), right time. Very excited!
Mr. Abraham, I will have to check out Tree of Life too! I am absolutely enthralled with spiritual beings having human experiences!
A rumoured encounter with the Higgs boson, also known as the "God particle", at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) near Geneva has led to hysteria among some scientists.
However experts have urged caution over a leaked internal memo, warning it could well be a false alarm.
Finding the Higgs is one of the main goals of the LHC, a 17-mile underground tunnel.
The Higgs was proposed in the 1960s to explain why matter has mass and is the missing piece of the standard model of particle physics. Speculation has now run wild on the internet after an anonymous note was posted on the blog of Columbia University mathematician Peter Woit.
The memo revealed that one of the LHC detectors had picked up a signal consistent with what Higgs is expected to produce.
The scientists noted that "the present result is the first definitive observation of physics beyond the standard model".
But Cern, the European organisation for nuclear research, stressed the note was only preliminary.
That's incredible! I will have to keep myself posted on this. The LHC was also the same machine used to find the Neutrino, correct? This is so fascinating. Thank you, Mr. Abraham.
I guess this is where we all realize there is no standard model for anything, as the possibilities are limitless! It only takes one "note" to change the song!
Facts about I AM movement: influenced by theosophy,
as discussed in theosophy (religious philosophy): Assessment:
...not only pioneered the promotion of Eastern thought in the West but also inspired the creation of more than 100 esoteric religious movements, including the Alice Bailey movement (Arcane School), the I Am movement, the Church Universal and Triumphant, and the Liberal Catholic Church. http://www.britannica.com/facts/5/99406 ... philosophy
I AM movement, theosophical movement founded in Chicago in the early 1930s by Guy W. Ballard (1878–1939), a mining engineer, and his wife, Edna W. Ballard (1886–1971). The name of the movement is a reference to the Bible verse in which God replies to Moses, “I am who I am” (Exodus 3:14). Despite legal and public relations difficulties, the movement thrived and inspired a number of subsequent movements based on its teachings.
Ballard claimed that in 1930 during a visit to Mount Shasta (a dormant volcano in northern California), he was contacted by St. Germain, one of the Ascended Masters of the Great White Brotherhood. Many occultists believe that this order of spiritual beings guides the overall destiny of humankind and speaks through human messengers. The first modern contact with the Masters was allegedly made in the 19th century by Madame Helena Blavatsky (1831–91), one of the founders of the Theosophical Society.
Writing under the name Godfrey Ray King, Ballard compiled his experiences in a book, Unveiled Mysteries, published in 1934, and he afterward claimed to receive regular messages, termed “discourses,” from St. Germain and other Masters. Because one of the Masters from whom Ballard received dictations was Jesus, members of the I AM movement consider themselves Christian. The Ballards claimed to have received more than 3,000 messages, which formed the body of the movement’s teachings.
The Ballards incorporated the I AM movement in 1932. Following Guy Ballard’s death, Edna Ballard became the movement’s leader and revealed the messages she had received from St. Germain. With her death in 1971, the Board of Directors, which had been established at the movement’s incorporation in 1932, took control of the movement. Since then, no further dictations from the Masters have been received, because no new messenger has been appointed to succeed the Ballards. The Masters’ discourses emphasized ways for individuals to become aware of their “I AM,” or “God Presence,” which flows from God, the mighty Creative Fire at the centre of the universe. Ultimately, each person hopes to ascend into the divine realms, as the Ballards are believed to have done at the end of their lives. The reciting of decrees—invocations of the divine that call for the manifestation in the visible world of a desired condition or the removal of an undesirable one—is the primary devotional activity of members of the movement. Listening to the messages recorded by the Ballards is the central activity ofI AM gatherings. The I AM movement also promotes American patriotism. The messages received by Ballard suggested that the United States had a special role in the Masters’ world plan, and members of the movement believe that Ballard was a reincarnation of George Washington. The group sponsors special programs on patriotic holidays.
The growing movement was disrupted by Ballard’s sudden death in 1939. Soon afterward, several former members accused the Ballards of teaching a sham religion, which led to the indictment and conviction of Edna Ballard and other movement leaders for mail fraud. In 1946 the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the conviction.
As a result of the lengthy judicial process and the subsequent bad publicity, the movement assumed a very low profile in the 1950s, and many thought that it had died. During the second half of the 20th century it experienced steady growth, and in the early 21st century it reported more than 300 chartered I AM sanctuaries in the United States and around the world. The most prominent group inspired by the I AM movement was the Church Universal and Triumphant. Others, such as the Aetherius Society, pictured the Masters as officials of an extraterrestrial government who offer guidance from unidentified flying objects (UFOs).
I know I've been crazy-MIA, but this one just hit the radar.
I'm starting to see New Age \ Occult "attention grabs" all over the place. I finally realized Zeitgeist is a straight up New Age \ New World Order indoctrination film. This seems like one to get the zombies to think about their inner nature more, to awaken them to the "supposed" New Age.
Just a thought.
THE MYSTERIES ARE ABOUT TO BE RESTORED (so they say\hope, on or around 2012, so they say, hope)
These ancien mysteries were originally given to humanity by the Hierarchy, and were - in their turn - received by the Hierarchy from the Great White Lodge on Sirius. They contain the clue to the evolutionary process, hidden in numbers and in words; they veil the secret of man's origin and destiny, picturing for him in rite and ritual the long, long path which he must tread. They provide also, when rightly interpreted and correctly presented, the teaching which humanity needs in order to progress from darkness to Light, from the unreal to the Real, and from death to Immortality. ...
The Mysteries will be restored in other ways also, for they contain much besides that which the Masonic rites can reveal, or that religious rituals and ceremonies can disclose; they contain within their teaching and formulas, the key to the science which will unlock the mystery of electricity ...; though much progress has already been made by science along this line, it is as yet only embryonic in nature, and only when the Hierarchy is present visibly on Earth, and the Mysteries of which the Masters are the Custodians are given openly to man, will the true secret and nature of electrical phenomena be revealed.
The Mysteries are, in reality the true source of revelation, and it can be only when the mind and the will-to-good are closely blended and conditioning human behaviour, that the extent of the coming revelation will be grasped, for only then can humanity be trusted with these secrets. They concern those capacities which enable the Members of the Hierarchy to work consciously with the energies of the planet and of the solar system, and to control forces within the planet; They will put the ordinary psychic powers (today so stupidly approached and so little understood), in their rightful place, and guide man towards their helpful usage.
The Mysteries will restore colour and music as they essentially are to the world, and do it in such a manner that the creative art of today will be to this new creative art, what a child's building of wooden blocks is to a great cathedral, such as Durham or Milan. The Mysteries, when restored, will make real - in a sense incomprehensible to you at present - the nature of religion, the purpose of science, and the goal of education. These are not what you think today.
The ground is being prepared at this time for this great restoration. The Churches and Masonry are today before the judgment seat of humanity's critical mind, and the word has gone forth from the mass mind, that both of them failed in their divinely assigned tasks. It is realised everywhere that new life must be poured in, and great changes wrought in the awareness and the training of those who work through and in these two media of truth. Those changes have not yet been carried out, for it will take a new vision and a new approach to life experience, and this only the coming generation is capable of giving; they and they alone can bring about the needed alterations and the revitalisation, but it can and will be done.:
"That which is a mystery shall no longer be so, and that which has been veiled will now be revealed; that which has been withdrawn, will emerge in light, and all men shall see, and together they shall rejoice. That time will come when desolation has wrought its beneficent work, when all things have been destroyed, and men, through suffering, have sought to be impressed by that which they had discarded in vain pursuit of that which was near at hand and easy of attainment. Possessed it proved to be an agency of death - yet men sought life, not death."
So runs the Old Commentary when referring to the present cycle through which mankind is passing.
Wow!
My Tin Foil Radar Just Started *SCREAMING* ...
I know I've been crazy-MIA, but this one just hit the radar.
I'm starting to see New Age \ Occult "attention grabs" all over the place. I finally realized Zeitgeist is a straight up New Age \ New World Order indoctrination film. This seems like one to get the zombies to think about their inner nature more, to awaken them to the "supposed" New Age.
Just a thought.
Tin foil radar Love it! I will read up on the Alice Bailey Movement. I have not heard of it before now. Thank you.
Your thought is good. The only difference is that I call it the "Now Age". Everything we need to awake is here, NOW. The choice to decide to tap into the Now was the hard part for me. Once I made the choice, it was simple from there. This is going to get interesting I bet! Double-up your tin foil!
Is the film coming to your area Shimmy? I'm jealous. Looks like I'll have to wait for the DVD.
And from what I know, I thought "I Am the film" wasn't connected to anything else Drifting, just Tom Shayak's reawakening to what's important after a cycling accident. I could be wrong...
Is the film coming to your area Shimmy? I'm jealous. Looks like I'll have to wait for the DVD.
And from what I know, I thought "I Am the film" wasn't connected to anything else Drifting, just Tom Shayak's reawakening to what's important after a cycling accident. I could be wrong...
Jeanwah, it's not here...yet...still waiting ever so patiently...if does come out on DVD first, I will be buying it straight away!
Shadyac's doc is about his personal awakening. Many are at the fork in the road right now.
DBTS is touching on a point about the shift that it was attempted years ago, which had triggered a personal coincidence for DBTS when he seen the posting of the documentary...another sign post along the right road for DBTS, if you will...
I will be looking into the ABM movement. However, I think why it was stunted was because it was attempting to orchestrate how spirituality is found. Organizing how people find spiritual awareness hampers the profoundness of discovering it. People end up comparing themselves based on how much another person transcends into the universal consciousness causing the mind (ego) to still have control, which is the exact opposite of becoming enlightened.
Spiritual awareness is, at first, a personal action. You must be aware you have a soul, which is separate from your mind and body. Then, we become aware that we are woven into the fabric of universal consciousness because our souls are the threads that make it.
Am I making sense?? I am not very good at getting across what I experience sometimes...sorry, if I was discombobulated!
Is the film coming to your area Shimmy? I'm jealous. Looks like I'll have to wait for the DVD.
And from what I know, I thought "I Am the film" wasn't connected to anything else Drifting, just Tom Shayak's reawakening to what's important after a cycling accident. I could be wrong...
Jeanwah, it's not here...yet...still waiting ever so patiently...if does come out on DVD first, I will be buying it straight away!
Shadyac's doc is about his personal awakening. Many are at the fork in the road right now.
DBTS is touching on a point about the shift that it was attempted years ago, which had triggered a personal coincidence for DBTS when he seen the posting of the documentary...another sign post along the right road for DBTS, if you will...
I will be looking into the ABM movement. However, I think why it was stunted was because it was attempting to orchestrate how spirituality is found. Organizing how people find spiritual awareness hampers the profoundness of discovering it. People end up comparing themselves based on how much another person transcends into the universal consciousness causing the mind (ego) to still have control, which is the exact opposite of becoming enlightened.
Spiritual awareness is, at first, a personal action. You must be aware you have a soul, which is separate from your mind and body. Then, we become aware that we are woven into the fabric of universal consciousness because our souls are the threads that make it.
Am I making sense?? I am not very good at getting across what I experience sometimes...sorry, if I was discombobulated!
Sure, you're making a *lot* of sense ... for a "New Ager".
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And i meant that playfully, of course.
I do have a question for you, Shimmy ...
what is it you mean to imply by your seemingly conspiratorial statement, "DBTS is touching on a point about the shift that it was attempted years ago,"
I'm not sure if you are implying that my soul attempted a shift years ago, or (what i *think* you are implying) that "They" (The Hierarchy???) attempted to "shift" human mass consciousness "years ago", but failed, because you can not radically alter ingrained spiritual behavior by forcible measures.
If this is what you are, in fact, implying ... WHAT attempt are you referring to, and WHEN was that made? 911? the 80's? the 60's? What failed shift?
I hope I'm not misreading you.
Judging by the follow up, "However, I think why it was stunted was because it was attempting to orchestrate how spirituality is found. Organizing how people find spiritual awareness hampers the profoundness of discovering it." ... you seem to be saying precisely what I think you are.
Actually, I believe I see your point ... I think it was smaller than what I was making it though.
You are referring to the "I Am" movement of the 1800's , and saying it failed because it was a forcible attempt to "elevate" mass consciousness?
I take your point, but I would challenge you one further, Shimmy ...
although, most can not see the connection among many of these dots, The Hierarchy (so they claim, if you read Bailey) have been working CEASELESSLY to elevate human consciousness in the main. In fact, Alice Bailey claims that the prime operating methods of The Hierarchy are, in fact, spiritual ... an occult attempt by spiritual beings to uplift human consciousness through "light work".
LARGE segments of the "Truth Movement" and "Anti-NWO" and conspiracy movements, are, as I perceive them, Hierarchical efforts to alter consciousness through propaganda. David Icke, Jordan Maxwell (who claimed, "Blavatsky is a very wise lady." and "Manly P Hall was a close friend of mine"), Peter Joseph of Zeitgeist fame ... all these seemingly "Anti-NWO" folks are in fact pushing a New Age \ New World Order consciousness and agenda upon "the ignorant masses". What they hope will follow, I assume, is some sort of mass spiritual awakening, that will lead to a coming total elevation of the human species (and a bunch of other scary whack shit, if Bailey is to be trusted) ...
That is a dumbed down account, but you asked for it.
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I advise you to proceed *very slowly* with Bailey.
It's probably not what you think. And its already got my head fucked up royally.
See you at the Seventh Initiation on Sirius!
PS -- out of curiosity, just how far does your current "spiritual" point of view extend.
You recognize some sort of interconnected or "universal" or mass consciousness. a singularity of consciousness if you will. But do you feel comfortable discussing disembodied or ascended \ transcended consciousness ... ie "spirits" or other-dimensional entities? Bailey explicitly endorses this stuff, FYI.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Thank you for the dumbed down account. I appreciate it very much. I really do. :P
I don't know if I am really a "New Ager". I think I may just be incredibly open-minded in a society that may not be that way right now.
Yes, I did mean that the shift was stunted because it was an attempt at mass elevation. Forcible, I don't know, as it seems people joined Bailey's movement by their own accord.
I think the shift is personal, and if I wish to share my experience it is up to me. I would hope it would be the same for anyone else. I did not happen on the path because I read books. In fact, my own personal events shifted me, long before I was old enough to understand it was called a spiritual awareness.
As for my extended spiritual view, matter cannot be destroyed. It can only change form. Same goes with spirit/soul, as it is a form of energy. Science has proven this. So even when we are just dispersed atoms, we are all still here in one form or another. Everything in our world is recycled, and we are part of the recycling process, which may be disconcerting for some people, but we really are.
Turnabout is fair play. So then, I must ask you how far does your "spiritual" view extend, Drifting?
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Oh! I know many people who've read it years ago, but they didn't seem as taken, almost as if they didn't really connect with it. I loved it though, it was one of those books I had to read slowly so I could mull over what I'd just read to let it all sink in. (Ishmael was the same way). The Tenth Insight was contained as a separate book within my copy, but never got to reading that. Have you? And it's totally gotten me interested in Peru as a magical, albeit semi-dangerous place.
And...I don't think it's a 'dangerous' place (although you have a point...he makes it out to be a crazy spot, if you're after the bourne identity)...I consider it one of those 'spiritual openings', like Sedona, AZ must be.....I have just never come across someone who has also read it....I totally love it.
yes, I agree...and what's so awesome about it is that it connects it in such a way that relgion is put aside...mostly.
Oh, the Chopra one is the next level...how to connect and live through the soul...just incredible...every book that teaches that skill blows my mind...and I have read many books :oops:
The universal consciousness is not as far off as you think. It's here. It's now. It's in you at this very second. We are all part of it right now. It is creating this very moment we are in. Awareness is required to connect into the universal consciousness. Acceptance of its potentiality is the next step to have the universal consciousness rise to meet your needs. Compassion and Love for everything keeps you from losing your connection to selfishness (ego).
Simply recognizing that there is a universal consciousness is Awareness. Good and bad are equal parts of every potential, for which we must have Acceptance to choose the potential that fits our path at the time. Compassion and Love keeps us grounded through it all.
Give it a go. It's easier than said. Really.
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When I said it was easier than said, I did mean easier. To give Compassion and Love is easy...once you choose to do it. The choice is the hard part for most people. Why? Because it requires us to accept that there are other paths that are correct, not only our own. KWIM?
Take for example what the conversation between Pap & zarocat in Paps' thread. They were equally too concerned with thier own way being the right way, that they did not even consider that each of their individual philosophies are correct because the are right for each of them as individuals. In the end, it seems that they have used compassion to see each where each other are coming from.
As for not seeing that there is not a universal consciousness, please try view it through my eyes.
First, I view the universal conscious as an energy that links us all. I feel connected through my spirit to everything. I really do. The same universal energy that created me also created a new thought in another person's mind. It also created the earth and the animals. We are all created from the same energy. To invalidate someone else, to me, is to invalidate myself. It goes back to Agape (brotherly love) and reaping what you sow.
I believe that universal consciousness does NOT make things happen to us. I believe that the universal consciousness is responding to us. I know this from my own life. When I choose to be serious, that's what the universe gives back to me. When I choose to be compassionate and loving, that's what the universe gives back to me. Yes, sometimes serious things happens in my life. Those events always make me I realize there is something for me to learn about my self and where my responsibility is in that event, which in turn strengthens my own personal connection to the universe.
Am I making sense? These concepts can get lost in translation, when one is describing actions. :think: I guess that's where it lies..."not in the talk, but in the walk". :idea:
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yes, I agree with these thoughts.
I AM: The Documentary
http://iamthedoc.com/
Someone else who gets what I see in this world. I am seeing this movie this weekend, one way or another!!
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I've been following this film for about a month now, eagerly awaiting for it to come to my area since it's in limited release! Tom Shadyak was on Oprah yesterday, but of course i forgot about it.
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It's released now, but in limited theaters. Check out the website for cities!
http://iamthedoc.com/showtimes-date/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXRYA1dxP_0
All related to the reality/truth.
Coming out in May? This is the first I've heard of it.
That's where I seen it!! Seeing as someone said Oprah can't help connect us with spiritual things (8th post, 1st page of this thread), I thought that was very serendipitous!
Mr. Abraham, I will have to check out Tree of Life too! I am absolutely enthralled with spiritual beings having human experiences!
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... z1KYO3Twy6
A rumoured encounter with the Higgs boson, also known as the "God particle", at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) near Geneva has led to hysteria among some scientists.
However experts have urged caution over a leaked internal memo, warning it could well be a false alarm.
Finding the Higgs is one of the main goals of the LHC, a 17-mile underground tunnel.
The Higgs was proposed in the 1960s to explain why matter has mass and is the missing piece of the standard model of particle physics. Speculation has now run wild on the internet after an anonymous note was posted on the blog of Columbia University mathematician Peter Woit.
The memo revealed that one of the LHC detectors had picked up a signal consistent with what Higgs is expected to produce.
The scientists noted that "the present result is the first definitive observation of physics beyond the standard model".
But Cern, the European organisation for nuclear research, stressed the note was only preliminary.
I guess this is where we all realize there is no standard model for anything, as the possibilities are limitless! It only takes one "note" to change the song!
Wow!
My Tin Foil Radar Just Started *SCREAMING* ...
THE I AM MOVEMENT
Alice Bailey, as in:
THE I AM MOVEMENT
I know I've been crazy-MIA, but this one just hit the radar.
I'm starting to see New Age \ Occult "attention grabs" all over the place. I finally realized Zeitgeist is a straight up New Age \ New World Order indoctrination film. This seems like one to get the zombies to think about their inner nature more, to awaken them to the "supposed" New Age.
Just a thought.
THE MYSTERIES ARE ABOUT TO BE RESTORED (so they say\hope, on or around 2012, so they say, hope)
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Tin foil radar
Your thought is good. The only difference is that I call it the "Now Age". Everything we need to awake is here, NOW. The choice to decide to tap into the Now was the hard part for me. Once I made the choice, it was simple from there. This is going to get interesting I bet! Double-up your tin foil!
And from what I know, I thought "I Am the film" wasn't connected to anything else Drifting, just Tom Shayak's reawakening to what's important after a cycling accident. I could be wrong...
Jeanwah, it's not here...yet...still waiting ever so patiently...if does come out on DVD first, I will be buying it straight away!
Shadyac's doc is about his personal awakening. Many are at the fork in the road right now.
DBTS is touching on a point about the shift that it was attempted years ago, which had triggered a personal coincidence for DBTS when he seen the posting of the documentary...another sign post along the right road for DBTS, if you will...
I will be looking into the ABM movement. However, I think why it was stunted was because it was attempting to orchestrate how spirituality is found. Organizing how people find spiritual awareness hampers the profoundness of discovering it. People end up comparing themselves based on how much another person transcends into the universal consciousness causing the mind (ego) to still have control, which is the exact opposite of becoming enlightened.
Spiritual awareness is, at first, a personal action. You must be aware you have a soul, which is separate from your mind and body. Then, we become aware that we are woven into the fabric of universal consciousness because our souls are the threads that make it.
Am I making sense?? I am not very good at getting across what I experience sometimes...sorry, if I was discombobulated!
Sure, you're making a *lot* of sense ... for a "New Ager".
:P
And i meant that playfully, of course.
I do have a question for you, Shimmy ...
what is it you mean to imply by your seemingly conspiratorial statement, "DBTS is touching on a point about the shift that it was attempted years ago,"
I'm not sure if you are implying that my soul attempted a shift years ago, or (what i *think* you are implying) that "They" (The Hierarchy???) attempted to "shift" human mass consciousness "years ago", but failed, because you can not radically alter ingrained spiritual behavior by forcible measures.
If this is what you are, in fact, implying ... WHAT attempt are you referring to, and WHEN was that made? 911? the 80's? the 60's? What failed shift?
I hope I'm not misreading you.
Judging by the follow up, "However, I think why it was stunted was because it was attempting to orchestrate how spirituality is found. Organizing how people find spiritual awareness hampers the profoundness of discovering it." ... you seem to be saying precisely what I think you are.
Actually, I believe I see your point ... I think it was smaller than what I was making it though.
You are referring to the "I Am" movement of the 1800's , and saying it failed because it was a forcible attempt to "elevate" mass consciousness?
I take your point, but I would challenge you one further, Shimmy ...
although, most can not see the connection among many of these dots, The Hierarchy (so they claim, if you read Bailey) have been working CEASELESSLY to elevate human consciousness in the main. In fact, Alice Bailey claims that the prime operating methods of The Hierarchy are, in fact, spiritual ... an occult attempt by spiritual beings to uplift human consciousness through "light work".
LARGE segments of the "Truth Movement" and "Anti-NWO" and conspiracy movements, are, as I perceive them, Hierarchical efforts to alter consciousness through propaganda. David Icke, Jordan Maxwell (who claimed, "Blavatsky is a very wise lady." and "Manly P Hall was a close friend of mine"), Peter Joseph of Zeitgeist fame ... all these seemingly "Anti-NWO" folks are in fact pushing a New Age \ New World Order consciousness and agenda upon "the ignorant masses". What they hope will follow, I assume, is some sort of mass spiritual awakening, that will lead to a coming total elevation of the human species (and a bunch of other scary whack shit, if Bailey is to be trusted) ...
That is a dumbed down account, but you asked for it.
:P
I advise you to proceed *very slowly* with Bailey.
It's probably not what you think. And its already got my head fucked up royally.
See you at the Seventh Initiation on Sirius!
PS -- out of curiosity, just how far does your current "spiritual" point of view extend.
You recognize some sort of interconnected or "universal" or mass consciousness. a singularity of consciousness if you will. But do you feel comfortable discussing disembodied or ascended \ transcended consciousness ... ie "spirits" or other-dimensional entities? Bailey explicitly endorses this stuff, FYI.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I don't know if I am really a "New Ager". I think I may just be incredibly open-minded in a society that may not be that way right now.
Yes, I did mean that the shift was stunted because it was an attempt at mass elevation. Forcible, I don't know, as it seems people joined Bailey's movement by their own accord.
I think the shift is personal, and if I wish to share my experience it is up to me. I would hope it would be the same for anyone else. I did not happen on the path because I read books. In fact, my own personal events shifted me, long before I was old enough to understand it was called a spiritual awareness.
As for my extended spiritual view, matter cannot be destroyed. It can only change form. Same goes with spirit/soul, as it is a form of energy. Science has proven this. So even when we are just dispersed atoms, we are all still here in one form or another. Everything in our world is recycled, and we are part of the recycling process, which may be disconcerting for some people, but we really are.
Turnabout is fair play. So then, I must ask you how far does your "spiritual" view extend, Drifting?