Spurs pulled off some NBA Jam "On Fire" shit with 8 minutes to go. If I'm the Spurs I'm making sure the A/C "mysteriously" goes out again in the next game. Heat (ironically) is Lebron's kryptonite.
that was a great closing 8 minutes. watched it with a former 10 clubber/hoophead - DCfaithful.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
This Spurs team is the most efficient team I've seen in my lifetime and I've watched a lot of NBA.. LeBron should have bought Ray Allen a new house after last years Finals because he absolutely saved his legacy with that 3. If they lose this series Lebron will be 2-3 in NBA Finals and like I said one basket from 1-4. I know the '07 Cleveland team stunk but it's still in the record books and they got swept. Also Wade is done, sad to watch him right now, he was such a dynamic player at his peak. Miami needs to shake up this roster in the summer, LeBron can't carry this group by himself and that's what it is coming to.
This Spurs team is the most efficient team I've seen in my lifetime and I've watched a lot of NBA.. LeBron should have bought Ray Allen a new house after last years Finals because he absolutely saved his legacy with that 3. If they lose this series Lebron will be 2-3 in NBA Finals and like I said one basket from 1-4. I know the '07 Cleveland team stunk but it's still in the record books and they got swept. Also Wade is done, sad to watch him right now, he was such a dynamic player at his peak. Miami needs to shake up this roster in the summer, LeBron can't carry this group by himself and that's what it is coming to.
I agree that the Spurs are a very efficient team. I know the game itself is not very good but you have to appreciate the way the Spurs play. I thought the Spurs had the better team but i did not think it would be like this.
Legacy? If LeBron James doesn't play another NBA game he'll still be considered one of the best to EVER play the game regardless if they win the Championship this year, or not. Where do you think Oscar Robertson's legacy stands?
I think Wade is just about done too. He's getting VERY OLD right in front of our eyes.
Pat Riley is probably going to shake the roster up either way. Like you said: even LeBron can't carry this group. by himself.
Championships define the all time greats in the NBA. Magic 5, Bird 3, MJ 6, Hakeem 2, Shaquille 4, Kobe 5, Duncan 4. As fans we all know the numbers. No doubt LeBron is an all time great but he needs rings and lots of them. That where the legacy talk comes in, he wears #6 for a reason. The NBA has a borderline meaningless regular season, if your the best player in the world and have been for the better part of a decade you should have more than 2 rings. Especially after bolting for this so called super team and promising to make a run at MJ's 6 championships. Despite 2 rings and 4 straight conference titles (in an atrocious conference) it feels like its been an absolute struggle. The Dallas defeat, trailing an ancient Boston team 2-3 in '12 and then last years 7 game survival match vs San Antonio. With a roster that's clearly aging it might actually make sense for LeBron to head home to play with Kyrie and that #1 pick.
back to back beatdowns. Can't recall a road team dominating the home team like that in the finals.
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
The Heat look absolutely deflated. I would say that something happened behind closed doors and that changed the Heats attitude.
Something is wrong with them. Last night It seemed like everyone was waiting for the other to spark the team but it never happened.
Years prior the Heat would play slow ball then come back the 2nd half with a vengence. I haven't seen that this year.
^^As far as "legacy"? I do remember Bird and Magic losing a few championships. To not like Lebron is fine but to try and tarnish his accomplishments and talk them down is plain silly.
The Heat look absolutely deflated. I would say that something happened behind closed doors and that changed the Heats attitude.
Something is wrong with them. Last night It seemed like everyone was waiting for the other to spark the team but it never happened.
Years prior the Heat would play slow ball then come back the 2nd half with a vengence. I haven't seen that this year.
^^As far as "legacy"? I do remember Bird and Magic losing a few championships. To not like Lebron is fine but to try and tarnish his accomplishments and talk them down is plain silly.
My $.02
Sounds like excuses to me.....they just got their asses kicked the past 2 games. Plain and simple. This team isn't the same. Wade is old. Bosh has been non-existent the past 2 games. LBJ can't do it all himself.
With all that said, I have really enjoyed these Finals. Hopefully the Spurs close it out on Sunday.
The Heat look absolutely deflated. I would say that something happened behind closed doors and that changed the Heats attitude.
Something is wrong with them. Last night It seemed like everyone was waiting for the other to spark the team but it never happened.
Years prior the Heat would play slow ball then come back the 2nd half with a vengence. I haven't seen that this year.
^^As far as "legacy"? I do remember Bird and Magic losing a few championships. To not like Lebron is fine but to try and tarnish his accomplishments and talk them down is plain silly.
My $.02
Bird and Magic mostly lost to each other. and those Celtics and Lakers teams were far superior than the teams today.
that being said can we just let Lebron's career play out before we talk about his legacy. he has way too many years left to add onto what he has already done. we don't need to force a legacy on a guy who is still playing at such a high level.
The fact that Spurs had the opportunity to draft Duncan after they had a miserable yr prior, were a perennial playoff team with a great bigman already in place, and they had shitty odds in the draft lotto.....Talk about the stars aligning
They are remarkable...to play so many different styles through the yrs and now they are IMO playing the best they ever have OVERALL...Not their most talented squad but Together they do it the right way
POP's system is insane...funny how no other teams really attempt it...maybe the Suns a lil while back but they were soft like tissue paper, playin no D.
I think a small portion of the Heat's struggles in the finals could be attributed to how fucking shitty the Eastern Conference is. The conference is so bad that they didn't give a fuck about being the #1 seed. They cruised through their three playoff series (against three teams that possibly wouldn't even make the playoffs in the West). And now they're being faced with a real basketball team and they are struggling. The Spurs had to dig pretty deep to beat the #8 Mavs (the Mavs would be like a #4 seed in the East), they had to deal with stopping Durant and the young Thunder, all while the Heat sat around counting down the days to the Finals. The Heat have shown a knack over the past 3 years for being able to "turn it on" when needed. But that's not gonna work every time....and it sure isn't working now.
One more note on the Eastern vs. Western conference. I think drastic realignment is needed. It's just flat-out not fair to the Western teams and hasn't been for 15 years. Atlanta made the playoffs in the East with a 38-44 record while Phoenix landed 9th in the West with a 48-34 record. That's just not fair. So you win 10 more games competing against much harder competition and you don't make the playoffs? Bullshit. Abolish the conferences, rework scheduling (maybe 3 games against everyone instead of 4 vs conference and 2 vs non-conference), rank the teams 1-16 and put them into a playoff tournament. Of course, this will never happen. But it should. I've been saying this since the Nets made back-to-back finals in 2002-2003 despite the fact that they wouldn't have survived the first round in the West those year. People say that Lebron can't win the finals without help...which is true. But he could get to the finals himself...and that's stupid.
The Heat look absolutely deflated. I would say that something happened behind closed doors and that changed the Heats attitude.
Something is wrong with them. Last night It seemed like everyone was waiting for the other to spark the team but it never happened.
Years prior the Heat would play slow ball then come back the 2nd half with a vengence. I haven't seen that this year.
^^As far as "legacy"? I do remember Bird and Magic losing a few championships. To not like Lebron is fine but to try and tarnish his accomplishments and talk them down is plain silly.
My $.02
Bird and Magic mostly lost to each other. and those Celtics and Lakers teams were far superior than the teams today.
that being said can we just let Lebron's career play out before we talk about his legacy. he has way too many years left to add onto what he has already done. we don't need to force a legacy on a guy who is still playing at such a high level.
A totally different style of play back then. You can't close line Kurt Rambis anymore, you give a shot in the ribs and it's a flagrant nowadays.
I loved that rough style of ball but the guys now are wayyyyyyy more athletic and fit. Magic johnson and Bird weren't buff. Wad, Bron, Bosh, Duncan, Leonard, all ripped.
I love the debating because a lot of points are valid and it can go on for days!
Something IS wrong with that Heat team. Their hearts aren't in it. The Spurs are playing lights out ball. Last 2 games they averaged over 60% shooting? If a player does that it's awesome, but the WHOLE TEAM?!?
The Heat look absolutely deflated. I would say that something happened behind closed doors and that changed the Heats attitude.
Something is wrong with them. Last night It seemed like everyone was waiting for the other to spark the team but it never happened.
Years prior the Heat would play slow ball then come back the 2nd half with a vengence. I haven't seen that this year.
^^As far as "legacy"? I do remember Bird and Magic losing a few championships. To not like Lebron is fine but to try and tarnish his accomplishments and talk them down is plain silly.
My $.02
Something IS wrong with that Heat team. Their hearts aren't in it. The Spurs are playing lights out ball. Last 2 games they averaged over 60% shooting? If a player does that it's awesome, but the WHOLE TEAM?!?
There's always next year with Melo I guess?
So I guess the Spurs just being the better team isn't the answer?
If Melo goes there, I'll fucking puke. And I'll be done with the NBA.
I think a small portion of the Heat's struggles in the finals could be attributed to how fucking shitty the Eastern Conference is. The conference is so bad that they didn't give a fuck about being the #1 seed. They cruised through their three playoff series (against three teams that possibly wouldn't even make the playoffs in the West). And now they're being faced with a real basketball team and they are struggling. The Spurs had to dig pretty deep to beat the #8 Mavs (the Mavs would be like a #4 seed in the East), they had to deal with stopping Durant and the young Thunder, all while the Heat sat around counting down the days to the Finals. The Heat have shown a knack over the past 3 years for being able to "turn it on" when needed. But that's not gonna work every time....and it sure isn't working now.
One more note on the Eastern vs. Western conference. I think drastic realignment is needed. It's just flat-out not fair to the Western teams and hasn't been for 15 years. Atlanta made the playoffs in the East with a 38-44 record while Phoenix landed 9th in the West with a 48-34 record. That's just not fair. So you win 10 more games competing against much harder competition and you don't make the playoffs? Bullshit. Abolish the conferences, rework scheduling (maybe 3 games against everyone instead of 4 vs conference and 2 vs non-conference), rank the teams 1-16 and put them into a playoff tournament. Of course, this will never happen. But it should. I've been saying this since the Nets made back-to-back finals in 2002-2003 despite the fact that they wouldn't have survived the first round in the West those year. People say that Lebron can't win the finals without help...which is true. But he could get to the finals himself...and that's stupid.
Championships define the all time greats in the NBA. Magic 5, Bird 3, MJ 6, Hakeem 2, Shaquille 4, Kobe 5, Duncan 4. As fans we all know the numbers. No doubt LeBron is an all time great but he needs rings and lots of them. That where the legacy talk comes in, he wears #6 for a reason. The NBA has a borderline meaningless regular season, if your the best player in the world and have been for the better part of a decade you should have more than 2 rings. Especially after bolting for this so called super team and promising to make a run at MJ's 6 championships. Despite 2 rings and 4 straight conference titles (in an atrocious conference) it feels like its been an absolute struggle. The Dallas defeat, trailing an ancient Boston team 2-3 in '12 and then last years 7 game survival match vs San Antonio. With a roster that's clearly aging it might actually make sense for LeBron to head home to play with Kyrie and that #1 pick.
Oscar Robertson? Wilt Chamberlain? So, were their legacy's damaged? I think they ONLY won 3 Championships between them and they're considered to be in the TOP 5 players of all time. I just don't think that winning championships is all that matters for one's legacy because wouldn't Robert Horry be considered better then those players you named?>LOL or how about Steve Kerr?>LOL!> Of course Championships help, but i don't think it hurts a legacy.
I'd be surprised if LeBron went back to Cleveland because i don't think he cares for that owner(Gilbert?)> Probably better off staying in South Beach and let Pat Riley bring the talent down there. I mean, i know i would rather stay in South Beach then go to Cleveland>LOL
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Championships define the all time greats in the NBA. Magic 5, Bird 3, MJ 6, Hakeem 2, Shaquille 4, Kobe 5, Duncan 4. As fans we all know the numbers. No doubt LeBron is an all time great but he needs rings and lots of them. That where the legacy talk comes in, he wears #6 for a reason. The NBA has a borderline meaningless regular season, if your the best player in the world and have been for the better part of a decade you should have more than 2 rings. Especially after bolting for this so called super team and promising to make a run at MJ's 6 championships. Despite 2 rings and 4 straight conference titles (in an atrocious conference) it feels like its been an absolute struggle. The Dallas defeat, trailing an ancient Boston team 2-3 in '12 and then last years 7 game survival match vs San Antonio. With a roster that's clearly aging it might actually make sense for LeBron to head home to play with Kyrie and that #1 pick.
Oscar Robertson? Wilt Chamberlain? So, were their legacy's damaged? I think they ONLY won 3 Championships between them and they're considered to be in the TOP 5 players of all time. I just don't think that winning championships is all that matters for one's legacy because wouldn't Robert Horry be considered better then those players you named?>LOL or how about Steve Kerr?>LOL!> Of course Championships help, but i don't think it hurts a legacy.
I'd be surprised if LeBron went back to Cleveland because i don't think he cares for that owner(Gilbert?)> Probably better off staying in South Beach and let Pat Riley bring the talent down there. I mean, i know i would rather stay in South Beach then go to Cleveland>LOL
Nobody is saying he's not an all time great. He's already top 10 in most peoples eyes. In the post Jordan NBA I'd put him behind Duncan, ahead of Shaq and barely behind Kobe. But when he chose Miami and made ridiculous promises of titles things changed. When you create that level of expectation and join some phoney super team you create a lot of enemies. His behavior in the summer of 2010 will unfortunately never be forgotten. I don't fault him for leaving Cleveland, but the circus show they created in Miami was a colossal mistake. Although they had a lot of success the contracts of Bosh and Wade are now about to prevent them from likely ever getting back unless Riley can work some kind of miracle. Bosh is not the inside presence they desperately need and Wade if probably best suited as a 6th man, that's not good when those guys are making max money.
Championships define the all time greats in the NBA. Magic 5, Bird 3, MJ 6, Hakeem 2, Shaquille 4, Kobe 5, Duncan 4. As fans we all know the numbers. No doubt LeBron is an all time great but he needs rings and lots of them. That where the legacy talk comes in, he wears #6 for a reason. The NBA has a borderline meaningless regular season, if your the best player in the world and have been for the better part of a decade you should have more than 2 rings. Especially after bolting for this so called super team and promising to make a run at MJ's 6 championships. Despite 2 rings and 4 straight conference titles (in an atrocious conference) it feels like its been an absolute struggle. The Dallas defeat, trailing an ancient Boston team 2-3 in '12 and then last years 7 game survival match vs San Antonio. With a roster that's clearly aging it might actually make sense for LeBron to head home to play with Kyrie and that #1 pick.
Oscar Robertson? Wilt Chamberlain? So, were their legacy's damaged? I think they ONLY won 3 Championships between them and they're considered to be in the TOP 5 players of all time. I just don't think that winning championships is all that matters for one's legacy because wouldn't Robert Horry be considered better then those players you named?>LOL or how about Steve Kerr?>LOL!> Of course Championships help, but i don't think it hurts a legacy.
I'd be surprised if LeBron went back to Cleveland because i don't think he cares for that owner(Gilbert?)> Probably better off staying in South Beach and let Pat Riley bring the talent down there. I mean, i know i would rather stay in South Beach then go to Cleveland>LOL
Nobody is saying he's not an all time great. He's already top 10 in most peoples eyes. In the post Jordan NBA I'd put him behind Duncan, ahead of Shaq and barely behind Kobe. But when he chose Miami and made ridiculous promises of titles things changed. When you create that level of expectation and join some phoney super team you create a lot of enemies. His behavior in the summer of 2010 will unfortunately never be forgotten. I don't fault him for leaving Cleveland, but the circus show they created in Miami was a colossal mistake. Although they had a lot of success the contracts of Bosh and Wade are now about to prevent them from likely ever getting back unless Riley can work some kind of miracle. Bosh is not the inside presence they desperately need and Wade if probably best suited as a 6th man, that's not good when those guys are making max money.
So, what is it? Legacy or all time great?>HAHAHA
I agree, that, as of right now, i would have him just behind Duncan(BEST 4-Man in The NBA ever?) and ahead of Shaq. But, i have him ahead of Kobe as he's a better all-around player.
Ridiculous promises? So, he would've been better off saying they would not win any Titles.>LOL.... Super phoney team? The Heat only went to 4 straight Finals and how many franchises have done that? 2 or 3? And won 2 Titles so how is that a mistake? What did he do in the Summer of 2010 that was so bad? Did he beat up his girlfriend or some other shit? The media created the circus show in South Beach.
Agree about Bosh(lack of inside presence) & Wade(SHOULD be a 6th man) and that they can't take Max money(did they take Max on their last contracts?) if they want to get back to the Finals any time soon. Riley has to work a miracle is right>LOL!! But, the way the Eastern Conference is it might not take that much.
The legacy is still being written but getting blown out worse than any team in Finals history doesn't look great on the resume. Also the 4 straight Finals appearances mean very little when you look at the state of the Eastern Conference the past 4 years. If they played out West they might not have even gotten to a Finals. As for 2010 it wasn't the media who came up with "The Decision" or the parade or whatever that was when they all danced out on stage. Two titles is nothing to overlook, but when the team was formed it was supposed to be an all time great collection of talent that would dominate for 6 to 7 years. In my opinion neither of their two title teams even rank in the top 20 teams of all time. Outside of that amazing winning streak last season they never dominated at a level of the great teams of the past. Just looking at the post Jordan era they would have gotten flattened by the Kobe/Shaq Lakers or even the Kobe/Gasol Lakers. The Spurs at their peak were clearly better as we just saw and they couldn't even handle a good but hardly great Mavs squad in '11.
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Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
What I don't understand is why they didn't give him something that would help immediately with the cramps. Ice? WTF?!?
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Legacy? If LeBron James doesn't play another NBA game he'll still be considered one of the best to EVER play the game regardless if they win the Championship this year, or not. Where do you think Oscar Robertson's legacy stands?
I think Wade is just about done too. He's getting VERY OLD right in front of our eyes.
Pat Riley is probably going to shake the roster up either way. Like you said: even LeBron can't carry this group. by himself.
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Something is wrong with them. Last night It seemed like everyone was waiting for the other to spark the team but it never happened.
Years prior the Heat would play slow ball then come back the 2nd half with a vengence. I haven't seen that this year.
^^As far as "legacy"? I do remember Bird and Magic losing a few championships. To not like Lebron is fine but to try and tarnish his accomplishments and talk them down is plain silly.
My $.02
Sounds like excuses to me.....they just got their asses kicked the past 2 games. Plain and simple. This team isn't the same. Wade is old. Bosh has been non-existent the past 2 games. LBJ can't do it all himself.
With all that said, I have really enjoyed these Finals. Hopefully the Spurs close it out on Sunday.
that being said can we just let Lebron's career play out before we talk about his legacy. he has way too many years left to add onto what he has already done. we don't need to force a legacy on a guy who is still playing at such a high level.
They are remarkable...to play so many different styles through the yrs and now they are IMO playing the best they ever have OVERALL...Not their most talented squad but Together they do it the right way
POP's system is insane...funny how no other teams really attempt it...maybe the Suns a lil while back but they were soft like tissue paper, playin no D.
Hats off to them...BRAVO
One more note on the Eastern vs. Western conference. I think drastic realignment is needed. It's just flat-out not fair to the Western teams and hasn't been for 15 years. Atlanta made the playoffs in the East with a 38-44 record while Phoenix landed 9th in the West with a 48-34 record. That's just not fair. So you win 10 more games competing against much harder competition and you don't make the playoffs? Bullshit. Abolish the conferences, rework scheduling (maybe 3 games against everyone instead of 4 vs conference and 2 vs non-conference), rank the teams 1-16 and put them into a playoff tournament. Of course, this will never happen. But it should. I've been saying this since the Nets made back-to-back finals in 2002-2003 despite the fact that they wouldn't have survived the first round in the West those year. People say that Lebron can't win the finals without help...which is true. But he could get to the finals himself...and that's stupid.
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I loved that rough style of ball but the guys now are wayyyyyyy more athletic and fit. Magic johnson and Bird weren't buff. Wad, Bron, Bosh, Duncan, Leonard, all ripped.
I love the debating because a lot of points are valid and it can go on for days!
Something IS wrong with that Heat team. Their hearts aren't in it. The Spurs are playing lights out ball. Last 2 games they averaged over 60% shooting? If a player does that it's awesome, but the WHOLE TEAM?!?
There's always next year with Melo I guess?
Man, i like your idea about the playoffs.
Oscar Robertson? Wilt Chamberlain? So, were their legacy's damaged? I think they ONLY won 3 Championships between them and they're considered to be in the TOP 5 players of all time. I just don't think that winning championships is all that matters for one's legacy because wouldn't Robert Horry be considered better then those players you named?>LOL or how about Steve Kerr?>LOL!> Of course Championships help, but i don't think it hurts a legacy.
I'd be surprised if LeBron went back to Cleveland because i don't think he cares for that owner(Gilbert?)> Probably better off staying in South Beach and let Pat Riley bring the talent down there. I mean, i know i would rather stay in South Beach then go to Cleveland>LOL
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Shoulda been a sweep... Great ball
I agree, that, as of right now, i would have him just behind Duncan(BEST 4-Man in The NBA ever?) and ahead of Shaq. But, i have him ahead of Kobe as he's a better all-around player.
Ridiculous promises? So, he would've been better off saying they would not win any Titles.>LOL.... Super phoney team? The Heat only went to 4 straight Finals and how many franchises have done that? 2 or 3? And won 2 Titles so how is that a mistake? What did he do in the Summer of 2010 that was so bad? Did he beat up his girlfriend or some other shit? The media created the circus show in South Beach.
Agree about Bosh(lack of inside presence) & Wade(SHOULD be a 6th man) and that they can't take Max money(did they take Max on their last contracts?) if they want to get back to the Finals any time soon. Riley has to work a miracle is right>LOL!! But, the way the Eastern Conference is it might not take that much.