Education Cuts

Jeanwah

Blockhead wrote:

Quick question, do any of you work in public education?

Nope, but I'm in my daughter's school all the time to volunteer. And that counts.

polaris_x

Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

go see *waiting for superman* to get an idea of one of the problems with the education system

And this is the problem with AMT. Do you have any ounce of knowledge of how the public education system works? But just because you watched a biased documentary which was very missrepresenting (such as rules have changed since it was filmed concerning a national standard) and spout it off as if you know all the in-and-outs of why the public education system is so bad.
This is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. Your always telling people to educate themselves on climate change and you watch one (incredibly misinformed) documentary on public education and now you know all the reasons why public education is failing. Watch that documentary again and see how often they put and responsibility on Parents or Children. God damn people open your fucking eyes and brain.
I suggest you actually talk to someone Teaching or Involved in a public school district.

uhhh ... maybe if you learned to read ... it says ONE OF THE PROBLEMS ... not everything that is wrong ... and I know teachers in the education system ... and i also know that problems vary from state to state ... district to district ... but feel free to misinterpret my post and draw conclusions ... you're good at it ...

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Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

go see *waiting for superman* to get an idea of one of the problems with the education system

And this is the problem with AMT. Do you have any ounce of knowledge of how the public education system works? But just because you watched a biased documentary which was very missrepresenting (such as rules have changed since it was filmed concerning a national standard) and spout it off as if you know all the in-and-outs of why the public education system is so bad.
This is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. Your always telling people to educate themselves on climate change and you watch one (incredibly misinformed) documentary on public education and now you know all the reasons why public education is failing. Watch that documentary again and see how often they put and responsibility on Parents or Children. God damn people open your fucking eyes and brain.
I suggest you actually talk to someone Teaching or Involved in a public school district.

Wow. Really? :? So now you're not only the only one here who has any experience with poverty, but you're also the only one who has any experience with education systems??

VINNY GOOMBA

dps79 wrote:

Why in the hell is Education spending cut every time shit hits the fan in this country? I've read numerous articles and I still don't understand why Education spending/programs are targeted, maybe I'm missing something but I'm just looking to see if anyone here has any input on the subject. There is no justification from the things I've read, at least not in my mind, so any input would be welcome.

It makes sense to cut education if spending on education is redundant-- if the states have their own education departments, why not get rid of the federal department of the same name, or at least downsize it greatly? Where does the federal government have the legal authority to have power over education in the states anyway? How well is it working?

Would this be the first place I would cut money from? No. I'd end the wars first for dozens of moral reasons, but also for fiscal reasons. War, just like education or anything else, isn't any more effective just because money is thrown at it. All of the conflicts overseas clearly demonstrate that these wars have been horribly mismanaged, and just keep bleeding the taxpayer while not making us any safer. I would bring all of our troops from around the world home as well-- there's no need for them to be in over 150 countries, and it costs far too much.

The should also be major cuts to any federal department that has outright FAILED at its stated purpose, such as the Department of Energy, whose stated purpose was to help us decrease our dependence on foreign oil. DHS, don't need ya. IRS, don't need ya. Replace the Federal Reserve with a commodity standard, or if we remain on a fiat currency, just let the Treasury print the money, interest free. Corporate welfare, subsidies, and foreign aid, get rid of all of those too.

I believe that more competition in education would bring about better education. I'd rather see it privatized and see grammar schools handing out scholarships and fundraising rather than just everyone paying in to some slush fund whether their children will use it or not.

And lastly, people have got to be willing to learn and want to take advantage of education for it to mean anything. A question for everyone here, how much of your high school education remains with you today?

Blockhead

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Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

go see *waiting for superman* to get an idea of one of the problems with the education system

And this is the problem with AMT. Do you have any ounce of knowledge of how the public education system works? But just because you watched a biased documentary which was very missrepresenting (such as rules have changed since it was filmed concerning a national standard) and spout it off as if you know all the in-and-outs of why the public education system is so bad.
This is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. Your always telling people to educate themselves on climate change and you watch one (incredibly misinformed) documentary on public education and now you know all the reasons why public education is failing. Watch that documentary again and see how often they put and responsibility on Parents or Children. God damn people open your fucking eyes and brain.
I suggest you actually talk to someone Teaching or Involved in a public school district.

Wow. Really? :? So now you're not only the only one here who has any experience with poverty, but you're also the only one who has any experience with education systems??

You need to get your head out of your ass and start actually reading what I am writing. I am commenting on his view of whats wrong with the public education by watching a misleading documentary. If you have evern seen that documentary you would see the issues I have with it, being as you said you are in education. So in that above comment please point out where I said "I have the only experience with education systems". nothing in that post even refers to me having ANY experience. Quit taking my post so personal, is it that time of the month?

Jeanwah

Blockhead wrote:

You need to get your head out of your ass and start actually reading what I am writing. I am commenting on his view of whats wrong with the public education by watching a misleading documentary. If you have evern seen that documentary you would see the issues I have with it, being as you said you are in education. So in that above comment please point out where I said "I have the only experience with education systems". nothing in that post even refers to me having ANY experience. Quit taking my post so personal, is it that time of the month?

I have this movie from netfilx, but haven't gotten around to watching it. I'll be back tomorrow with my opinion on it. We'll see if it's really as bad as you say it is.

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Blockhead wrote:

_ wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

And this is the problem with AMT. Do you have any ounce of knowledge of how the public education system works? But just because you watched a biased documentary which was very missrepresenting (such as rules have changed since it was filmed concerning a national standard) and spout it off as if you know all the in-and-outs of why the public education system is so bad.
This is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. Your always telling people to educate themselves on climate change and you watch one (incredibly misinformed) documentary on public education and now you know all the reasons why public education is failing. Watch that documentary again and see how often they put and responsibility on Parents or Children. God damn people open your fucking eyes and brain.
I suggest you actually talk to someone Teaching or Involved in a public school district.

Wow. Really? :? So now you're not only the only one here who has any experience with poverty, but you're also the only one who has any experience with education systems??

You need to get your head out of your ass and start actually reading what I am writing. I am commenting on his view of whats wrong with the public education by watching a misleading documentary. If you have evern seen that documentary you would see the issues I have with it, being as you said you are in education. So in that above comment please point out where I said "I have the only experience with education systems". nothing in that post even refers to me having ANY experience. Quit taking my post so personal, is it that time of the month?

You're telling me to get my head out of my ass and saying to Polaris_x, "God damn people open your fucking eyes and brain"... and you're telling ME to not take things so "personal" [sic]?!

The message is clear in the underlined parts of your post:
(1) He has no knowledge of the educational system.
(2) This is a common problem on AMT.
(3) You are qualified to judge that "people" need to open their fucking eyes and brain, as if you know the truth and they don't.
(4) He (they?) needs to get his information from people involved in the public school system, as if that would lead him to the same conclusions you have reached. And you are known to cite your wife's experience as a teacher as yours by proxy.

And you're going to top off your grown-up post with a misogynist comment for good measure? Is that what you resort to when you have nothing valuable to say? "Oh yeah? Well you're a.... GIRL!"

Every time of the month is my time of the month to point out the illogical, baseless, self-centered, xenophobic nonsense you post.

polaris_x

has blockhead acknowledged the fact he didn't read my post correctly!?? ... and that he jumped to a conclusion based on his personal belief system ...

Jason P

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

I believe that more competition in education would bring about better education. I'd rather see it privatized and see grammar schools handing out scholarships and fundraising rather than just everyone paying in to some slush fund whether their children will use it or not.

It's even worse when you are paying into the slush fund and don't have any kids. :( Little bastards better be studying hard!

You make some interesting points in the rest of your post as well.

ajedigecko

budget cuts? interesting topic.

i am still confused, as to why we "cut" our citizens. while we "promote" their citizens.

i would rather fund programs, that i do not believe in, here in The United States, over programs in other countries.

we take monies from our own, who would die for our country.....and give it to countries that want us to die.

i know...i am a bad guy.

polaris_x

ajedigecko wrote:

budget cuts? interesting topic.

i am still confused, as to why we "cut" our citizens. while we "promote" their citizens.

i would rather fund programs, that i do not believe in, here in The United States, over programs in other countries.

we take monies from our own, who would die for our country.....and give it to countries that want us to die.

i know...i am a bad guy.

quite a bit of your "aid" comes in the form of military sales ... which really means the US gives money to defence contractors based in the states to give to foreign countries ...

ajedigecko

polaris_x wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

budget cuts? interesting topic.

i am still confused, as to why we "cut" our citizens. while we "promote" their citizens.

i would rather fund programs, that i do not believe in, here in The United States, over programs in other countries.

we take monies from our own, who would die for our country.....and give it to countries that want us to die.

i know...i am a bad guy.

quite a bit of your "aid" comes in the form of military sales ... which really means the US gives money to defence contractors based in the states to give to foreign countries ...

there will be no discourse from me....i want to stop selling/donating weapons to the countries that want us removed.

i want to stop donating monies to the educational systems of the same countries....and put those monies to our children.

i have sent my concerns to our congrossman.....i will post the response, if there is one.

Jason P

ajedigecko wrote:

i have sent my concerns to our congrossman.....i will post the response, if there is one.

Expect a form letter response in 3-5 months if you are lucky to get one at all.

ajedigecko

Jason P wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

i have sent my concerns to our congrossman.....i will post the response, if there is one.

Expect a form letter response in 3-5 months if you are lucky to get one at all.

good point.......i will make a phone call, luckily, wichita is small....so a phone call is still accepted.

it is a simple question, though.

why are we cutting our programs and social services, while funding other countries programs and social services?

Jeanwah

Blockhead wrote:

You need to get your head out of your ass and start actually reading what I am writing. I am commenting on his view of whats wrong with the public education by watching a misleading documentary. If you have evern seen that documentary you would see the issues I have with it, being as you said you are in education. So in that above comment please point out where I said "I have the only experience with education systems". nothing in that post even refers to me having ANY experience. Quit taking my post so personal, is it that time of the month?

I watched it last night, and I seriously don't know why you'd have a problem with this documetary, dude. It was excellent. Whatever your personal problems are with education, and I know you have serious issues, write your local congress person, like I already mentioned. Don't accuse us, writers on a debate board, that we don't understand you, because it seriously gets you nowhere. And I've read plenty about Michelle Rhee, and think that she did wonders for D.C. schools.

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

I watched it last night, and I seriously don't know why you'd have a problem with this documetary, dude. It was excellent. Whatever your personal problems are with education, and I know you have serious issues, write your local congress person, like I already mentioned. Don't accuse us, writers on a debate board, that we don't understand you, because it seriously gets you nowhere. And I've read plenty about Michelle Rhee, and think that she did wonders for D.C. schools.

the documentary definitely emphasizes the union as a big problem ... and basically that there are a lot of stiff teachers ... i would have liked to seen more info on funding relative to each state and compare it with some places like south korea or norway ...

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I watched it last night, and I seriously don't know why you'd have a problem with this documetary, dude. It was excellent. Whatever your personal problems are with education, and I know you have serious issues, write your local congress person, like I already mentioned. Don't accuse us, writers on a debate board, that we don't understand you, because it seriously gets you nowhere. And I've read plenty about Michelle Rhee, and think that she did wonders for D.C. schools.

the documentary definitely emphasizes the union as a big problem ... and basically that there are a lot of stiff teachers ... i would have liked to seen more info on funding relative to each state and compare it with some places like south korea or norway ...

The unions totally hold education reform back. Because their interests are for the adults, not the students. Who's going to look out for the students' welfare? I didn't know that they toss around bad teachers to other districts because they'll never be fired, nor did I know about Rubber Rooms! It's a disgrace! I know many teachers who defend the union; it really is all about them, and not the kids. I know there are many excellent teachers out there, but the bad ones really let the kids down.

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Jeanwah wrote:

The unions totally hold education reform back. Because their interests are for the adults, not the students. Who's going to look out for the students' welfare? I didn't know that they toss around bad teachers to other districts because they'll never be fired, nor did I know about Rubber Rooms! It's a disgrace! I know many teachers who defend the union; it really is all about them, and not the kids.

I couldn't agree less with that gross generalization. My mom is a teacher. My dad was a teacher. My grandparents were teachers. My aunt is a teacher. My best friend is a teacher. And all my teachers were teachers. And my experience is that, while there are a few bad apples in every profession, most teachers are selfless people who sacrifice greatly for the good of their students. I don't think it's in any way inappropriate for the people who arguably have the most important job there is to want to secure a living wage & decent retirement. It's a fucking shame that they are so undervalued that they need unions to help them do it - but they do. I really couldn't be more disgusted with your comment underlined above. :(

Jeanwah

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Jeanwah wrote:

The unions totally hold education reform back. Because their interests are for the adults, not the students. Who's going to look out for the students' welfare? I didn't know that they toss around bad teachers to other districts because they'll never be fired, nor did I know about Rubber Rooms! It's a disgrace! I know many teachers who defend the union; it really is all about them, and not the kids.

I couldn't agree less with that gross generalization. My mom is a teacher. My dad was a teacher. My grandparents were teachers. My aunt is a teacher. My best friend is a teacher. And all my teachers were teachers. And my experience is that, while there are a few bad apples in every profession, most teachers are selfless people who sacrifice greatly for the good of their students. I don't think it's in any way inappropriate for the people who arguably have the most important job there is to want to secure a living wage & decent retirement. It's a fucking shame that they are so undervalued that they need unions to help them do it - but they do. I really couldn't be more disgusted with your comment underlined above. :(

You didn't quote my entire post. There are some incredible teachers out there. 2 of my sisters, and my grandmother are (were) teachers. But the unions only help the adults. Long ago they were created to help teachers who were paid very low, because they were mostly women who society saw as not 'needing' to work, and also so college professors couldn't be fired due to political reasons. The unions were formed with good reason then. But they are now doing a horrible injustice to education, by keeping bad teachers employed. Have you even seen the documentary scb?

Blockhead

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Jeanwah wrote:

The unions totally hold education reform back. Because their interests are for the adults, not the students. Who's going to look out for the students' welfare? I didn't know that they toss around bad teachers to other districts because they'll never be fired, nor did I know about Rubber Rooms! It's a disgrace! I know many teachers who defend the union; it really is all about them, and not the kids.

I couldn't agree less with that gross generalization. My mom is a teacher. My dad was a teacher. My grandparents were teachers. My aunt is a teacher. My best friend is a teacher. And all my teachers were teachers. And my experience is that, while there are a few bad apples in every profession, most teachers are selfless people who sacrifice greatly for the good of their students. I don't think it's in any way inappropriate for the people who arguably have the most important job there is to want to secure a living wage & decent retirement. It's a fucking shame that they are so undervalued that they need unions to help them do it - but they do. I really couldn't be more disgusted with your comment underlined above. :(

Great post "scb" I couldn't agree more. uh ohhhh...