Education Cuts

Leash_In_Hiding
Leash_In_Hiding Posts: 691
edited May 2011 in A Moving Train
Why in the hell is Education spending cut every time shit hits the fan in this country? I've read numerous articles and I still don't understand why Education spending/programs are targeted, maybe I'm missing something but I'm just looking to see if anyone here has any input on the subject. There is no justification from the things I've read, at least not in my mind, so any input would be welcome.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    assuming you mean USA ...

    i've always maintained that education is not a priority because if most americans were educated to the standards of most developed countries - you probably wouldn't stand for the manipulation that is the corporatization of the US government ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    polaris_x wrote:
    assuming you mean USA ...

    i've always maintained that education is not a priority because if most americans were educated to the standards of most developed countries - you probably wouldn't stand for the manipulation that is the corporatization of the US government ...
    exactly.

    education is always one of the first things to go because some politicians who allow that are too damn short sighted to see that sacrificing the education and intelligence of future generations for some short term savings in the budget is not the way to go. democracy works best with an educated population, and as we can see with standardized test scores the last few years, and recent election results, that the youth in our country is getting less educated.

    i saw a bumper sticker one time that said "it will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber." but that will never ever happen in the united states. military gets more than the funding they need, while schools and education are always first to go.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    I also believe that i big reason Education is also cut is due to the fact that youth don't vote. I find it shocking that if you pay attention to the world and the countries that are doing well, they are increasing money on education. Canada and America are falling behind in all rankings in the world concerning education and that is just sicken and bad for our future.
  • Leash_In_Hiding
    Leash_In_Hiding Posts: 691
    polaris_x wrote:
    assuming you mean USA ...

    i've always maintained that education is not a priority because if most americans were educated to the standards of most developed countries - you probably wouldn't stand for the manipulation that is the corporatization of the US government ...

    Yeah I meant USA, it was in my location under my avatar that's why I didn't post it...I agree with you %100 but where did this go wrong? There is just no logic behind any of these proposed cuts, unfortunately not all but the majority of society here are very ignorant minded when it comes to education. I just don't understand how people in this country over the years have decided to just roll over and let the government violate them any way they please...
    The best revenge is to live on and prove yourself - EV

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dps79 wrote:
    Yeah I meant USA, it was in my location under my avatar that's why I didn't post it...I agree with you %100 but where did this go wrong? There is just no logic behind any of these proposed cuts, unfortunately not all but the majority of society here are very ignorant minded when it comes to education. I just don't understand how people in this country over the years have decided to just roll over and let the government violate them any way they please...

    sorry ... when i hit reply ... that info wasn't there ...

    education is a socialist policy ... america is not a socialist nation ... it's a me-first nation ... americans want the freedom to garner as much wealth as humanly possible with as little hindrance as possible ... what that means also is that the powers that run the country know that an uneducated population base is much easier to manipulate - illegal wars, covert operations, etc ...

    i mean rBGH is approved in the US but not in Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and the EU (which makes up pretty much most of the developed countries) ... that pretty much sums it up there ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    dps79 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    assuming you mean USA ...

    i've always maintained that education is not a priority because if most americans were educated to the standards of most developed countries - you probably wouldn't stand for the manipulation that is the corporatization of the US government ...

    Yeah I meant USA, it was in my location under my avatar that's why I didn't post it...I agree with you %100 but where did this go wrong? There is just no logic behind any of these proposed cuts, unfortunately not all but the majority of society here are very ignorant minded when it comes to education. I just don't understand how people in this country over the years have decided to just roll over and let the government violate them any way they please...
    look what happened in ohio and wisconsin. teachers are no longer able to collectively bargain, so they can no longer band together to force chqange or improvements. things are going to be much worse in those states in the not too distant future. if education was a priority teachers would make more money and their classrooms would never have to go without the proper educational tools.

    it doesn't help any that the right wing talking heads blame the teachers unions and teachers in general for the current problems with the educational system. these people have a large audience and are good at shaping the opinions of their sheeplike audience. they are just as guilty as any politicians who vote to gut education spending.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Leash_In_Hiding
    Leash_In_Hiding Posts: 691
    polaris_x wrote:
    dps79 wrote:
    Yeah I meant USA, it was in my location under my avatar that's why I didn't post it...I agree with you %100 but where did this go wrong? There is just no logic behind any of these proposed cuts, unfortunately not all but the majority of society here are very ignorant minded when it comes to education. I just don't understand how people in this country over the years have decided to just roll over and let the government violate them any way they please...

    sorry ... when i hit reply ... that info wasn't there ...

    education is a socialist policy ... america is not a socialist nation ... it's a me-first nation ... americans want the freedom to garner as much wealth as humanly possible with as little hindrance as possible ... what that means also is that the powers that run the country know that an uneducated population base is much easier to manipulate - illegal wars, covert operations, etc ...

    i mean rBGH is approved in the US but not in Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and the EU (which makes up pretty much most of the developed countries) ... that pretty much sums it up there ...

    No problem....Unfortunately people have looked past the concept of obtaining too much wealth that now it's completely unbalanced here. The wealthiest people in this country now are squeezing every last drop out of the middle class, which the way things are going here, will be no more very soon. I agree completely with you it is definitely a me-first nation, I just wish socialism wasn't such a scary concept for people to embrace here, just my opinion, but I think some socialistic policies would actually help get things moving in the right direction...
    The best revenge is to live on and prove yourself - EV

  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    assuming you mean USA ...

    i've always maintained that education is not a priority because if most americans were educated to the standards of most developed countries - you probably wouldn't stand for the manipulation that is the corporatization of the US government ...
    exactly.

    education is always one of the first things to go because some politicians who allow that are too damn short sighted to see that sacrificing the education and intelligence of future generations for some short term savings in the budget is not the way to go. democracy works best with an educated population, and as we can see with standardized test scores the last few years, and recent election results, that the youth in our country is getting less educated.

    i saw a bumper sticker one time that said "it will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber." but that will never ever happen in the united states. military gets more than the funding they need, while schools and education are always first to go.

    I agree with all of this. But sometimes I get particularly cynical & wonder if some anti-education politicians are less short-sighted than we think. Yes, democracy does work best with an education population - but maybe not everyone in positions of power really wants democracy to work well (especially those who are elected due to people's lack of critical thinking skills).
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dps79 wrote:
    No problem....Unfortunately people have looked past the concept of obtaining too much wealth that now it's completely unbalanced here. The wealthiest people in this country now are squeezing every last drop out of the middle class, which the way things are going here, will be no more very soon. I agree completely with you it is definitely a me-first nation, I just wish socialism wasn't such a scary concept for people to embrace here, just my opinion, but I think some socialistic policies would actually help get things moving in the right direction...

    that just circles back to the education thing ... and the ease by which the corporations have and can manipulate the populace ...
  • Leash_In_Hiding
    Leash_In_Hiding Posts: 691
    gimmesometruth27: Good points man, The thing that kind of bothers me most, is that these teachers and teachers unions are more responsible, in many cases, for shaping and developing kids more than their own parents, and not only that...the kids that aren't able to develop, the teachers are then baby-sitters to them and are some how supposed to keep the focus on all kids in the classroom. Unfortunately there is little left of the middle class here, if it continues this way we have nothing but the upper class and lower class, it's only a matter of time before the majority (lower class) take back what's ours and evens the playing field.....HOPEFULLY!!
    The best revenge is to live on and prove yourself - EV

  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    polaris_x wrote:
    education is a socialist policy ... america is not a socialist nation ... it's a me-first nation ... americans want the freedom to garner as much wealth as humanly possible with as little hindrance as possible ... what that means also is that the powers that run the country know that an uneducated population base is much easier to manipulate - illegal wars, covert operations, etc ...

    I think this is the most important point, especially the part about education being a socialist concept & our population being brainwashed into being totally against anything remotely related to socialism.
  • Leash_In_Hiding
    Leash_In_Hiding Posts: 691
    I don't believe what we are living in is democracy, it's an American brand of democracy that is so flawed with greed and power hungry policies, If this is what democracy is than fuck it I don't want it
    The best revenge is to live on and prove yourself - EV

  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited April 2011
    We're having a hell of a time with major protests in NYS protesting Cuomo's education cuts. The glaring part of our state cuts is that Cuomo admitted that he will not reduce tax cuts on the wealthy, because he doesn't want them to move out of state. So he's taking it out on the school districts (and some other interests).

    Here's the thing though. Now we got a majority of teachers in some districts stepping forward and are willing to do what they can to help out (pay freezes). The superintendents and administrators aren't wiling to take a pay cut across the board (they are paid VERY well, and the teachers are paid nicely as well). The districts where teachers are willing to change their contracts to a pay freeze are bargaining with the union. But in my small school district, the majority of teachers are not willing to pull their share and refuse to limit their pay, even as a freeze. So that means residents percentage of school taxes jump two-fold. Teachers are NOT always putting the kids first, as is seen in my district. They are paid WELL, starting pay at $39 K. So we've got a war going on here, thanks to Cuomo. Some teachers are laid off due to other teachers not willing to take a pay freeze. The kids are losing some sports, elective classes (the Arts), and after school programs. I can't work, yet will do my share of an increase of taxes but when you've got a majority of teachers refusing to chip in and help the kids, you wonder where true priorities lie, and why these people are teachers to begin with.

    I don't know about other states, but the step process that the teacher's union rewards their teachers give them quite a large pay raise % each year, and performance is never looked at, since tenure is the way of the game. The union is quite flawed, and only protects teachers, and in no way helps the students.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    dps79 wrote:
    I don't believe what we are living in is democracy, it's an American brand of democracy that is so flawed with greed and power hungry policies, If this is what democracy is than fuck it I don't want it
    with the heavy corporate and big business influence on our policies it can be argued that we are becoming more fascist than anything. much more so than democratic.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Quick question, do any of you work in public education?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    Blockhead wrote:
    Quick question, do any of you work in public education?
    i did.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Blockhead wrote:
    Quick question, do any of you work in public education?

    Yes. And my salary was just decreased for the third year in a row to increase the state general fund.
  • Leash_In_Hiding
    Leash_In_Hiding Posts: 691
    Blockhead wrote:
    Quick question, do any of you work in public education?

    I do not
    The best revenge is to live on and prove yourself - EV

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    go see *waiting for superman* to get an idea of one of the problems with the education system
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    polaris_x wrote:
    go see *waiting for superman* to get an idea of one of the problems with the education system
    And this is the problem with AMT. Do you have any ounce of knowledge of how the public education system works? But just because you watched a biased documentary which was very missrepresenting (such as rules have changed since it was filmed concerning a national standard) and spout it off as if you know all the in-and-outs of why the public education system is so bad.
    This is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. Your always telling people to educate themselves on climate change and you watch one (incredibly misinformed) documentary on public education and now you know all the reasons why public education is failing. Watch that documentary again and see how often they put and responsibility on Parents or Children. God damn people open your fucking eyes and brain.
    I suggest you actually talk to someone Teaching or Involved in a public school district.

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