Education Cuts
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Why in the hell is Education spending cut every time shit hits the fan in this country? I've read numerous articles and I still don't understand why Education spending/programs are targeted, maybe I'm missing something but I'm just looking to see if anyone here has any input on the subject. There is no justification from the things I've read, at least not in my mind, so any input would be welcome.
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i've always maintained that education is not a priority because if most americans were educated to the standards of most developed countries - you probably wouldn't stand for the manipulation that is the corporatization of the US government ...
education is always one of the first things to go because some politicians who allow that are too damn short sighted to see that sacrificing the education and intelligence of future generations for some short term savings in the budget is not the way to go. democracy works best with an educated population, and as we can see with standardized test scores the last few years, and recent election results, that the youth in our country is getting less educated.
i saw a bumper sticker one time that said "it will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber." but that will never ever happen in the united states. military gets more than the funding they need, while schools and education are always first to go.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yeah I meant USA, it was in my location under my avatar that's why I didn't post it...I agree with you %100 but where did this go wrong? There is just no logic behind any of these proposed cuts, unfortunately not all but the majority of society here are very ignorant minded when it comes to education. I just don't understand how people in this country over the years have decided to just roll over and let the government violate them any way they please...
sorry ... when i hit reply ... that info wasn't there ...
education is a socialist policy ... america is not a socialist nation ... it's a me-first nation ... americans want the freedom to garner as much wealth as humanly possible with as little hindrance as possible ... what that means also is that the powers that run the country know that an uneducated population base is much easier to manipulate - illegal wars, covert operations, etc ...
i mean rBGH is approved in the US but not in Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and the EU (which makes up pretty much most of the developed countries) ... that pretty much sums it up there ...
it doesn't help any that the right wing talking heads blame the teachers unions and teachers in general for the current problems with the educational system. these people have a large audience and are good at shaping the opinions of their sheeplike audience. they are just as guilty as any politicians who vote to gut education spending.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
No problem....Unfortunately people have looked past the concept of obtaining too much wealth that now it's completely unbalanced here. The wealthiest people in this country now are squeezing every last drop out of the middle class, which the way things are going here, will be no more very soon. I agree completely with you it is definitely a me-first nation, I just wish socialism wasn't such a scary concept for people to embrace here, just my opinion, but I think some socialistic policies would actually help get things moving in the right direction...
I agree with all of this. But sometimes I get particularly cynical & wonder if some anti-education politicians are less short-sighted than we think. Yes, democracy does work best with an education population - but maybe not everyone in positions of power really wants democracy to work well (especially those who are elected due to people's lack of critical thinking skills).
that just circles back to the education thing ... and the ease by which the corporations have and can manipulate the populace ...
I think this is the most important point, especially the part about education being a socialist concept & our population being brainwashed into being totally against anything remotely related to socialism.
Here's the thing though. Now we got a majority of teachers in some districts stepping forward and are willing to do what they can to help out (pay freezes). The superintendents and administrators aren't wiling to take a pay cut across the board (they are paid VERY well, and the teachers are paid nicely as well). The districts where teachers are willing to change their contracts to a pay freeze are bargaining with the union. But in my small school district, the majority of teachers are not willing to pull their share and refuse to limit their pay, even as a freeze. So that means residents percentage of school taxes jump two-fold. Teachers are NOT always putting the kids first, as is seen in my district. They are paid WELL, starting pay at $39 K. So we've got a war going on here, thanks to Cuomo. Some teachers are laid off due to other teachers not willing to take a pay freeze. The kids are losing some sports, elective classes (the Arts), and after school programs. I can't work, yet will do my share of an increase of taxes but when you've got a majority of teachers refusing to chip in and help the kids, you wonder where true priorities lie, and why these people are teachers to begin with.
I don't know about other states, but the step process that the teacher's union rewards their teachers give them quite a large pay raise % each year, and performance is never looked at, since tenure is the way of the game. The union is quite flawed, and only protects teachers, and in no way helps the students.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yes. And my salary was just decreased for the third year in a row to increase the state general fund.
I do not
This is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. Your always telling people to educate themselves on climate change and you watch one (incredibly misinformed) documentary on public education and now you know all the reasons why public education is failing. Watch that documentary again and see how often they put and responsibility on Parents or Children. God damn people open your fucking eyes and brain.
I suggest you actually talk to someone Teaching or Involved in a public school district.
uhhh ... maybe if you learned to read ... it says ONE OF THE PROBLEMS ... not everything that is wrong ... and I know teachers in the education system ... and i also know that problems vary from state to state ... district to district ... but feel free to misinterpret my post and draw conclusions ... you're good at it ...
Wow. Really? :? So now you're not only the only one here who has any experience with poverty, but you're also the only one who has any experience with education systems??
It makes sense to cut education if spending on education is redundant-- if the states have their own education departments, why not get rid of the federal department of the same name, or at least downsize it greatly? Where does the federal government have the legal authority to have power over education in the states anyway? How well is it working?
Would this be the first place I would cut money from? No. I'd end the wars first for dozens of moral reasons, but also for fiscal reasons. War, just like education or anything else, isn't any more effective just because money is thrown at it. All of the conflicts overseas clearly demonstrate that these wars have been horribly mismanaged, and just keep bleeding the taxpayer while not making us any safer. I would bring all of our troops from around the world home as well-- there's no need for them to be in over 150 countries, and it costs far too much.
The should also be major cuts to any federal department that has outright FAILED at its stated purpose, such as the Department of Energy, whose stated purpose was to help us decrease our dependence on foreign oil. DHS, don't need ya. IRS, don't need ya. Replace the Federal Reserve with a commodity standard, or if we remain on a fiat currency, just let the Treasury print the money, interest free. Corporate welfare, subsidies, and foreign aid, get rid of all of those too.
I believe that more competition in education would bring about better education. I'd rather see it privatized and see grammar schools handing out scholarships and fundraising rather than just everyone paying in to some slush fund whether their children will use it or not.
And lastly, people have got to be willing to learn and want to take advantage of education for it to mean anything. A question for everyone here, how much of your high school education remains with you today?
You're telling me to get my head out of my ass and saying to Polaris_x, "God damn people open your fucking eyes and brain"... and you're telling ME to not take things so "personal" [sic]?!
The message is clear in the underlined parts of your post:
(1) He has no knowledge of the educational system.
(2) This is a common problem on AMT.
(3) You are qualified to judge that "people" need to open their fucking eyes and brain, as if you know the truth and they don't.
(4) He (they?) needs to get his information from people involved in the public school system, as if that would lead him to the same conclusions you have reached. And you are known to cite your wife's experience as a teacher as yours by proxy.
And you're going to top off your grown-up post with a misogynist comment for good measure? Is that what you resort to when you have nothing valuable to say? "Oh yeah? Well you're a.... GIRL!"
Every time of the month is my time of the month to point out the illogical, baseless, self-centered, xenophobic nonsense you post.
You make some interesting points in the rest of your post as well.
i am still confused, as to why we "cut" our citizens. while we "promote" their citizens.
i would rather fund programs, that i do not believe in, here in The United States, over programs in other countries.
we take monies from our own, who would die for our country.....and give it to countries that want us to die.
i know...i am a bad guy.