If The WI Teachers/State Empoyees Get Screwed (PJ Related)

PJ_Lukin

We got one in NY too, Tea bagger in Dem clothing.

CROJAM95

Wow I can't believe all these right wingers love monarchies so much. How the fuck do you explain a dumb, dumb like Bush makes it to the highest office of our land. By rigging an election morons..... I laughed my ass off when Palin kept saying Obama was a "community organizer" like that's a horrible thing. Sounds like Obama worked to get where he's at..... Bush and his neocons stole democracy and planned the invasion of Iraq years before he was elected


It's all part of the plan!! Wake up uneducated ones.

BeerBaron

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

BeerBaron wrote:

Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.

R U OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?!!! WE need MORE unions not less!!!! granted they have been infiltrated and corrupted like everything else....but they just need to be cleaned up, not done away with!!

Matter of opinion I guess. What I see (at least in Ontario) is that the average uninionized worker makes WAY more money than they should simnply because of the union. For example, many TTC bus drivers in Toronto make upwards of $100,000 a year to drive a bus. Are you kidding me? No education required, no unique skills required, and they make $100k.

By the way, whatever car you happen to drive cost you 20% more because of overpaid union workers. One of the reasons for the major problems with GM and Ford - unions!

PJ_Lukin

Matter of opinion I guess. What I see (at least in Ontario) is that the average uninionized worker makes WAY more money than they should simnply because of the union. For example, many TTC bus drivers in Toronto make upwards of $100,000 a year to drive a bus. Are you kidding me? No education required, no unique skills required, and they make $100k.

They only have thousands of lives in their hands each day? No reason to pay that person a good wage that I can think of. :?

CROJAM95

I think we can all agree that Americans attention spans are that of insects

Few years back..... Gas goes to record highs.... We have people paying attention and looking for alternative energy, without it being lip service. Gas goes down... Everyone goes back to forgetting there's a problem. We are seeing this Bullshit futures market get us again

2008 stock market meltdown.... Madoof goes to jail as a poster boy... Meanwhile all those scumbags have been and will continue to rig the system.... And we fall for it hook, line and sinker. Like the problem was ever solved.

BP destroys a whole ecosystem... We get these dumb commercials that are PR bullshit

And so on an so forth. People need to take a real stance and not for a few days or weeks. These assholes will take what they can get away with

Johnny Abruzzo

PJ_Lukin wrote:

Matter of opinion I guess. What I see (at least in Ontario) is that the average uninionized worker makes WAY more money than they should simnply because of the union. For example, many TTC bus drivers in Toronto make upwards of $100,000 a year to drive a bus. Are you kidding me? No education required, no unique skills required, and they make $100k.

They only have thousands of lives in their hands each day? No reason to pay that person a good wage that I can think of. :?

Fair wage is one thing, but that sounds kind of excessive.

PJ_Lukin

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

PJ_Lukin wrote:

Matter of opinion I guess. What I see (at least in Ontario) is that the average uninionized worker makes WAY more money than they should simnply because of the union. For example, many TTC bus drivers in Toronto make upwards of $100,000 a year to drive a bus. Are you kidding me? No education required, no unique skills required, and they make $100k.

They only have thousands of lives in their hands each day? No reason to pay that person a good wage that I can think of. :?

Fair wage is one thing, but that sounds kind of excessive.

Dollar to a dime say his base pay is far less. Guessing there is some O/T and/or longevity pay involved.

vant0037

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

This is priceless. "Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009."

Let's see: $1 trillion war started on false premises, totally incompetent response to a natural disaster, gutting of the EPA, creation of a new entitlement benefit pandering to senior citizens & rX companies (that cost more than pretty much all Obama spending so far), complete collapse of the economy...

Yeah, it was fucking awesome. :roll:

When you respond like this, I think you say "swish" afterward... Great post!

vant0037

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Ill tell ya what....
I have plenty of friends who work for the State of Illinois.....And they all have one thing in common.....

They will ALL tell you how much they screw the State.....

"I only work 3 hours a day, and get paid for 8"
"I show up 2 hours late and get paid for it"
"I leave 3 hours early and get paid for it"
"Im gonna retire at 50, and get a full pension....for doing nothing"

EVERY single one of my friends who works for the State of Illinois has this attitude........

Personally....I hope they all lose their fucking jobs.....

I can't tell you how convincing it is when an argument is based on anecdotes that can neither be proven nor disproven (how convenient). So your handful of lazy friends are why state workers everywhere are what? Don't deserve collective bargaining rights? Should have to suffer Scott Walker's cronyism? Kind of a weak argument...

Johnny Abruzzo

vant0037 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

This is priceless. "Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009."

Let's see: $1 trillion war started on false premises, totally incompetent response to a natural disaster, gutting of the EPA, creation of a new entitlement benefit pandering to senior citizens & rX companies (that cost more than pretty much all Obama spending so far), complete collapse of the economy...

Yeah, it was fucking awesome. :roll:

When you respond like this, I think you say "swish" afterward... Great post!

Thanks. Too bad all of that stuff actually did happen.

Jason P

There is some good comedy in this thread

But really, are we going to let a political squabble keep us from enjoying Pearl Jam along with cheese curds, brats and Old Milwaukee????

BeerBaron

BeerBaron wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

BeerBaron wrote:

Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.

R U OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?!!! WE need MORE unions not less!!!! granted they have been infiltrated and corrupted like everything else....but they just need to be cleaned up, not done away with!!

Matter of opinion I guess. What I see (at least in Ontario) is that the average uninionized worker makes WAY more money than they should simnply because of the union. For example, many TTC bus drivers in Toronto make upwards of $100,000 a year to drive a bus. Are you kidding me? No education required, no unique skills required, and they make $100k.

By the way, whatever car you happen to drive cost you 20% more because of overpaid union workers. One of the reasons for the major problems with GM and Ford - unions!

LOL, let me guess: you work in a unionized environment?

josevolution

I was looking to post on the PORCH and stumbled upon the Moving Train :P

theboxerorthebag

vant0037 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Ill tell ya what....
I have plenty of friends who work for the State of Illinois.....And they all have one thing in common.....

They will ALL tell you how much they screw the State.....

"I only work 3 hours a day, and get paid for 8"
"I show up 2 hours late and get paid for it"
"I leave 3 hours early and get paid for it"
"Im gonna retire at 50, and get a full pension....for doing nothing"

EVERY single one of my friends who works for the State of Illinois has this attitude........

Personally....I hope they all lose their fucking jobs.....

I can't tell you how convincing it is when an argument is based on anecdotes that can neither be proven nor disproven (how convenient). So your handful of lazy friends are why state workers everywhere are what? Don't deserve collective bargaining rights? Should have to suffer Scott Walker's cronyism? Kind of a weak argument...

+1

WaveRyder

Sorry but im not a fan of big government at all. I dont question their existence, i just question their modern means

usamamasan1

way to go union guys. you sharted all over the place. taxpayers paying for you again...

Protesters have taped hundreds — perhaps even thousands — of homemade posters and signs on the walls of the Capitol, many of them mocking Walker and objecting to his proposals.

Wisconsin Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch told the court that it would take $500,000 to supervise the removal of the tape, $6 milion to restore the damage to the interior of the building and an additional $1 million to restore damage done from items taped to the exterior.

jester59388

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

BeerBaron wrote:

MaxGoldenrod wrote:

If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

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Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.

Read this and tell me there is still no purpose for unions:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110228_Problems_persist_at_South_Philadelphia_railcar_plant.html

Of course, I still disagree with giving Pearl Jam ticket money to any union. They should have enough from their workers.

And in the interest of giving equal time, here's an article that encapsulates a lot of what is wrong with today's organized labor:

http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-04/n ... ion-system

And, no, I'm not anti-union, per se. My father was a shop steward for the Paperworkers for years. I've studied labor law and labor history and understand why unions exist and the good that collective bargaining has done. I just hate when unions promote mediocrity, stupidity and injustice in the name of "workers' rights". They should be working WITH employers to dump these bad eggs, not protecting them. These are the guys and practices that give unions and collective bargaining a black eye.

And it's the source of a lot of the hostility against the teacher's unions in particular: The near inability to terminate ineffective, incompetent teachers - including those who "retired on the job" a long time ago because they know they can't be fired.

Jason P

usamamasan1 wrote:

way to go union guys. you sharted all over the place. taxpayers paying for you again...

Protesters have taped hundreds — perhaps even thousands — of homemade posters and signs on the walls of the Capitol, many of them mocking Walker and objecting to his proposals.

Wisconsin Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch told the court that it would take $500,000 to supervise the removal of the tape, $6 milion to restore the damage to the interior of the building and an additional $1 million to restore damage done from items taped to the exterior.

I'll bet we can get it repaired for under $50K if we use illegal aliens.

As for someone who works in construction, I would like to get on Mr. Huebsch bid list! If there are even 2,000 posters, that amounts to $3,750 per poster to repair the damage. It's time for me to looking into getting a WI contractor's license ...

cincybearcat

Jason P wrote:

[ that amounts to $3,750 per poster to repair the damage.

They will be using union employees...seems like they may have low balled the estimate.

WaveRyder

Jason P wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

way to go union guys. you sharted all over the place. taxpayers paying for you again...

Protesters have taped hundreds — perhaps even thousands — of homemade posters and signs on the walls of the Capitol, many of them mocking Walker and objecting to his proposals.

Wisconsin Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch told the court that it would take $500,000 to supervise the removal of the tape, $6 milion to restore the damage to the interior of the building and an additional $1 million to restore damage done from items taped to the exterior.

I'll bet we can get it repaired for under $50K if we use illegal aliens.

As for someone who works in construction, I would like to get on Mr. Huebsch bid list! If there are even 2,000 posters, that amounts to $3,750 per poster to repair the damage. It's time for me to looking into getting a WI contractor's license ...

Is it so expenses because the unions are so strong?